>restrict myself to 1800 calories a day
>starving the entire time and going crazy
>still lose weight (1lb-2lbs a week)
Decide to just say fuck it
>eat a ton of red meat
>stop eating bread and instead eat a ton of fruit and veggies
>feel full of energy and am still losing the same amount of the weight when i was restricing calories
CICO (Calories In, Calories Out) is real and does align with the laws of thermodynamics, even though the human body is not a perfectly closed system.
Here’s a breakdown:
What’s true:
The human body is not a closed system. It’s an open system that exchanges energy and matter with the environment (through food, heat, work, waste, etc.).
The laws of thermodynamics were originally formulated for idealized systems, but they still apply to open systems like the human body. In fact, thermodynamics has specific equations and principles for open systems, which are widely used in biology and physiology.
What’s false:
Saying "CICO isn't real" misunderstands both the concept of CICO and how thermodynamics works.
CICO is simply a practical expression of energy balance: if you take in more energy than you expend, you store it (usually as fat); if you expend more than you take in, you lose weight. This has been demonstrated repeatedly in metabolic studies.
Important nuance:
CICO is real, but it’s not always simple. Many factors affect both sides of the equation:
Calories In: affected by digestion, absorption efficiency, food quality, gut microbiome, etc.
Calories Out: affected by basal metabolic rate (BMR), physical activity, NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis), thermic effect of food, hormonal status, etc.
In summary:
CICO is a valid, thermodynamically sound principle. The complexity of human metabolism doesn't invalidate it — it just means real-world application requires nuance and context.
>>76347274 (OP)CICO is thermodynamics: you will lose weight if you're in a caloric deficit, you will gain weight if you're in a caloric surplus. no one can cheat this.
different foods will satiate you for longer, less calorie-dense foods will occupy space in your gut for longer
>>76347274 (OP)4L of unsweetened gelatin
>>76347274 (OP)im making burgers right now
>>76347274 (OP)Your weight loss plan sounds terrific. Can you post your weekly meal plan? How much is a "ton of red meat"? How much is a "ton of fruit and veggies"? What fruit? What veggies? In addition to bread, did you also stop eating other carbs? Cut out sugar? Stop drinking full-fat milk and start drinking skim milk? How did you lose weight if you weren't restricting calories? Did you weigh or portion your food, or just eat until you felt full? Did you drink water with meals? Did you also cut out alcohol, juices, soda?
>>76347301The problem is the body can slow down its baseline metabolic processes so you burn less calories when not exercising. So the equation shifts.
>>76347402What's most important is that OP is not starving himself by restricting (((((calories)))))
>>76347274 (OP)>that imageIt's a shame I agree with what you have to say cause that image makes it clear you're a massive fucking faggot and I need to forsake you.
>>76347490Actually, that's not what's happening at all. OP increased satiety, and substituted high-caloric density foods for low-caloric density foods. In other words, he discovered that CI < CO == weight loss. You're an idiot for believing otherwise.
>>76347274 (OP)CICO is real, but it's not just as simple as eating less than maintance + cardio. If you eat proper foods that keep you metabolically healthy and is good for hormones, your body will use the extra energy on repairing and improving instead of just storing it as fat.
>>76347450Is the alternative to then further reduce calories?
>>76348042Sam Sulek says otherwise and you can eat ice cream and still lose weight based on the caloric intake
>>76347487Kek
You know what he said is ACTUALLY scientific though, which is just a western way to recognise the physical environment
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>>76347274 (OP)Reminder that OP made the same exact thread yesterday and reminder that CICO deniers have never once posted body. This is a slide thread and a bait thread. Do not engage with him. It's not a legitimate post.
>>76347450So then you restrict calories more. Eventually your body will hit its floor and dig into your fat stores.
>>76347450Only to a point. Otherwise you will die. What that usually means is that you just feel more tired and thus will move less. Your brain needs X amount of calories to survive.
>>76347274 (OP)Is this meme what the kids call coal, or Cobson coal? Definitely not a gem.
>>76347297this is going to be the new way of discourse on the internet isn't it?
AI has ruined it all
>>76350019>dumb meme proven wrong by ai>noooo discourse is ruinedYour just mad it's harder to spread bullshit you either dont believe or didnt bother to research
>>76350084i dont disagree with the text retard, i hate that there's no actual discussion happening on a discussion board and retards are just copy pasting AI slop
>>76350099low effort bait does not earn a genuine discussion
>>76350099This was a bait thread. The real problem is you dumb niggers can only speak in memes and wont repsond to post unless they have something to argue about. Try formatting threads differently instead of baiting. Put thought into your posts. Do research.
>>76350122why not just ignore bait instead of responding with chatgpt vomit?
>>76350168Good point. The more people who believe in stupid fitness memes the more dyels, and the more dyels the better i look.
>>76347274 (OP)post your soiposting physique
>>76350168why not just ignore chatgpt vomit
are you saying stupid bait thread is better than chatgpt vomit? I dont see you complaining about stupid bait thread
>>76350196atleast the bait is being posted by an actual person
>>76350196Good point. The spread of misinformation will help me look better compared to all the dyels.
>>76350415Posting a basedjak isn't an argument
