>losing your hair
>Ageing poorly
>Getting fat as soon as you come off
>Looking bloated

I can understand if you're a legit bodybuilder or are making money off your physique in some way, but why the fuck are there so many FAT FUCKS running gear? I can understand if you were running something like var or primo to keep your muscle after a cut, but just becoming a mass monster to not even get women is sad.

>>76351890 (OP)
Just microdose whatever mma and olympic lifters are on and avoid test unless you're 45
It's this simple

>>76351898

You probably don't even know what they're on..

I agree test should be one of those things you don't do until you're like 50 cause you have to do that shit for life.

>>76351890 (OP)
Because lifting weights is easy, losing weight is hard.
And a lot of newbs fall for the "you can eat anything you want on roids and not get fat" meme that is so prevalent here.
>>76351898
You are a retard and have no idea what you're talking about,
>>76351939
Another dumb fuck natty giving steriod advice

>>76351954
>And a lot of newbs fall for the "you can eat anything you want on roids and not get fat" meme that is so prevalent here.
Wait, IIFYM is not the accepted theory anymore?

>>76352003
All I'm saying is that natty 4chan retards think steroids make you jacked sitting on the couch all day eating junk food.
Its because they see a tiktok actor on steroids eating cupcakes and doritos before going to the gym and saying he eats it all day.
4chan chumps believe everything they see on the internet and dont realize the guy is putting on a show of it for monetized views because nobody is going to watch him eat a chicken breast and rice.

>>76352119
you sound like you roided and still looked like shit omegalul

>>76351890 (OP)
I've known 2 fat lords use gear to lose weight, apart from being an enormously embarrassing use of gear where just not eating would do the job, both of them just gained all the weight back in a couple of years

>>76351890 (OP)
>>Looking bloated
you are taking the wrong stuff

>>76354012
roids dont help you lose weight. Any weightloss they had was from diet alone

>>76351890 (OP)
The worst part about taking roids is they will permanently lower your testosterone levels once you get off them.

Your literally training your body to stop producing it.

>>76352119
>4chan chumps believe everything they see on the internet
but anon I have acquired a paranoia, precisely because I browse all day

>>76354012

Their blood pressure must have been over 180+

Post body

taking roids is the male equivalent of women getting BBLs or duck lips, both will angrily tell you it will attract the opposite sex, but instead they're just chasing their own ego

is there anything more pathetic than natties seething at roidchads

i like how it makes me feel

>>76351890 (OP)
Steroids are quite based. With that being said, if we're talking in the context of fat fucks specifically, they're better off running just TRT doses alongside with reta/triz, the new drugs work wonders

>>76351890 (OP)
>losing your hair
>Ageing poorly
>Getting fat as soon as you come off
>Looking bloated
Haha I do all that without roids, what now nigger OP?

>>76354323

Yup. Even if you take all the PCT and shit you're still cucking yourself long term.

>>76354560

It depends. If they get a ridiculous BBL or super thick lips it looks silly, but if they do a skinny BBL or just a little bit of filler it can actually look nice.

Anons, this very important
I need to know
What does roided high elf pussy feel like

>>76355750
how many times are you going to post this stupid question?

>>76355778
Until I get a satisfying answer? obv

>>76355778
How many ragebait steroid threads will these niggers make?
No one cares what some dyel armchair expert thinks about gear

>>76351890 (OP)
Some people can only see progress with roids, its a miracle drug. Not everyone wants to lift for 10 years natty when they are 30yo+ and have to roid anyways.

>>76351890 (OP)

>>losing your hair
2,5mg dutasteride, oral minoxidil, ghk-cu, microneedling

>Ageing poorly
perma use ghk-cu, c02 laser, spf50+pa++++, 2,5mg dutasteride, topical retinoids

>Getting fat as soon as you come off
cope

>>Looking bloated
aldosterone antagonist

Great OP, thread is completely dogshit

please don't ever post again, thank you

for more ressources ehad over to thinksteroids.com

also things like damaged lipids, muh liver or blood pressure is a absolute meme

HIT cardio 4x a week + sr9009 + betablockers

easily avoidable

>>76355916

A lot of people don't run pharmaceuticals with their cycles

>>76355734
>if you become a full blown roider mass monster it looks silly, but if you do a bit of test to get ripped faster in can actually look nice
You're just reinforcing the point. The problem is the overwhelming majority of both don't stop at a little bit of filler or just a bit of test. It becomes a crutch and an addiction. For women, why sohuld they bother with all this icky gym stuff if they can just inject shit instead? For men, why have a rigorous routine and diet when you can blast, eat and train like shit and still grow an order of magnitude more than a natty?

>>76351898
serious question, so if I was theoretically use TRT (private) I should wait for this age at least? Why? I am currently 38, lean and semi-ripped but I still would love some easy mass on me from TRT, so help me out. Thenks

>>76357410
You dont even know what trt is or what its used for do you?

>>76351890 (OP)
I can actually enjoy food and liquor im not sure how thats not a dealbreaker for everyone but then i see bodybuilders actually eat over a dozen eggs a day and realize they are highly mentally ill.

>>76357372
For men its at least dumb because being at your max of roids for a few years takes high iq work to manage, and is why theres such a stark difference between roiders benching 300lbs like julius maddox benches 600. Not that youd be smart to start but you have to be so stupid that the iq intensive part that comes later after liver and hearts critical in 2yrs is basically guaranteed to be fumbled. Like catching up on homework in a class you cheated to get in.

>>76358100
A dozen eggs is not that much for a large man who works hard or trains alot.
You have to be a woman or some effeminate manlet twig to think its "mentally ill" to eat a big bowl of eggs.
A dozen eggs is like 800 calories which is less than a burger, fries and coke at Mcdonalds.

>>76358116
Here's another natty dyel telling everyone how steroids work.

>>76358117
Eggs tank total daily calories, not enough protons to eat a ton and be productive, i mean it goes goes good with potatoes to make them less boring.

If im bulking i want fast food, meat, etc easier to quickly get 100g if say you need to lift early before work and just did legs and chest or some shit the night before whereas eggs just round out your diet with fat and cholesterol but not as good as butter for cramming non liquid calories/protein. Unless you have a better idea than fritattas and french omelettes.

>>76358123
I basically didnt know what i was doing until well above 2pl8 bench, my physiques actually kind of solid. And i look quite distinct so im pretty sure if anyone saw me itd look like im trying to dm people for gay sex.

>>76351890 (OP)
>>losing your hair
>Ageing poorly
>Getting fat as soon as you come off
>Looking bloated

Literally none of those things happened to me and I've been on the juice since 2016. Try not having shit genetics.

>>76358163
Knowing how to eat is a huge deal its the only way to grow natural, lifting technique will get you further though look at arnold.

>>76358123

Before guys like Derrick came around most people didn't know what they were doing. They were just taking 500 of test and shutting the fuck up

>>76358123
Most people on steroids cant grow chest without machines or flies so even if i wasnt putting weight or repa on every month i wouldnt be critiquingnroiders for desteoying their bodies then lifting once their liver is low hp and veins calcified.

>>76358180
Oh god the old forums were dogshit, like the more nerds deduced shit the further from the light they strode.

>>76358174
Yeah, sure I had an 8-year natty based. I had 375lbs bench before I ever touched gear. Still, tolerance to drugs in mostly genetic.

>>76358204
Well shit you just take it easy and bench 500+ nowadays? Youre lucky you can train heavy without tearing and womt go through the 1yr blast phase and be already be seeing major side effects.

>>76358411
I've been off for 7 months nowa, actually. I didn't get that much from steroids to be honest. My highest bench ever was 420lbs. I could have probably achieved more but I had a torn lat, then COVID lockdowns etc.

>>76358424
Very odd must have testosteroned past the ripping point with the extra strength and mindset. If i 100% i always feel like i fucked a tendon and always threw out my arm playing baseball.

>>76358193


So many people have sides and gyno because they blasted test without ancillaries. That shit isn't harmless. The athletes have doctors to manage their hormones. Most meatheads aren't smart enough to manage said hormones effectively.

>>76351890 (OP)
i came off and got even leaner, i literally lost 10lbs and maintained most of my gains.

>>76358639
>Most meatheads aren't smart enough to manage said hormones effectively.
get high estrogen symptoms, take an AI (estrogen blocker)
yeah its so fucking difficult you need a doctor for it.
You're just another natty dyel saying things to sound smart

>>76358424
Why did you hop off, anon?

me? I just run HGH which makes me look more youthful and does help me make gains and be lean and sleep more and feel more like a teenager. I will go on test in the future but I don't need it yet

>>76359137
I'm too poor to afford gh also isn't gh by itself kinda useless without insulin or test?

>>76359144
It has very debatable usefulness in terms of making you bench 4 plate but you get the benefits of feeling all around more youthful.

>>76359137
lethal physique dawg

>>76351890 (OP)
>Losing your hair
Ru58841, fin/dut, running low test/high deca
>aging poorly
Not really a thing if you take care of yourself. Just let acne run wild and tan to compensate sure (plus on some shit like tren/mast you might look older while on because of how it impacts your look and skin), but you can look at pretty much any influencer and they still look good despite a bunch of roids. Look at jeff seid, david laid, etc. Keeping your hair is paramount.
>getting fat as soon as you come off
You'll lose some gains when you do come off completely but no one comes off in-between cycles anymore. You'll make enough gains in 2-3 cycles and only lose like ~5lbs of muscle coming off assuming you're not crazy above natural limit. Many don't ever come off anymore. I was hypogonadal before so I'm probably on trt for life anyway, might try to get off and try enclomiphene at one point but there's advantages to being on trt over being natty too.
>Looking bloated
Cycle design trends towards more dryer cycles these days (eq, primo, lower nandrolone cycles). Water retention is almost exclusively from poor estrogen control/hgh but progestegenic compounds can influence it too.
>>76351898
Retarded advice. Test is the safest anabolic compound you can take, and is also what most athletes are on since testing for endogenous bioidentical hormones is incredibly complicated and error-prone. Also, any anabolic compound you take will either suppress or shut down your testosterone production anyway, test or not.
>>76358180
Derek is retarded when it comes to cycle design. Shutting yourself down to have barely supraphysiological test levels on 300mg is RETARDED. You will definitively get better gains on 500mg or 600mg with almost effectively the same risk. There's a chance you may not need an AI on 300mg sure, but the main point of a first cycle is to understand how to manage estrogen.

>>76358773

Going by "symptoms" and not bloodwork sort of proves their point.

>>76359930
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Estrogen is anabolic and beneficial. When you roid you should be letting it get as high as possible without symptoms.
The number on paper is totally irrelevant to a roider.

>>76359940

Overall it's bad to have it that high.

>>76359199
Anon why do most roiders at telegram groups or even at gym tell me to start with 250mg for at least 8-10 weeks to see how my body reacts to it, I get it you're shutting down anyways and estrogen control is important to learn but your receptors aren't going to get fried if you choose to do 250 for a few weeks and up the dose later, what if you get sides at 250? Wouldn't that be even more catastrophic if you did 500? You're gonna have to manage estrogen at 250 if you start getting sides

>>76360166
You're just saying things because all you know are memes that estrogen is le bad.

>>76360184
ffs I'm so tired of you retards and this low dose shit.
Its because 250mg does fuck all. 8-10 weeks isnt long enough to gain shit.
You're shutting down balls for over 2 months to make almost zero progress.
>to see how my body reacts to it
Its testosterone dipshit. You already know how your retarded ugly body reacts to it. Side effects at 500 are minimal and easily mitigated. The most you might need is some AI a couple times a fucking week.
Never mind enjoy your trt dose. Hopefully you will decide roids arent worth it and stop asking shit retarded questions and leave

>>76360268


It is bad and aromitization is bad. You don't need ZERO estrogen but you don't need a bunch either.

>>76351890 (OP)
>Why do mentally ill people do something that only mentally ill people would do?

>>76361173
>estrogen is le bad!
>why?
>because it just is!
not in the presence of high androgens, natty dyel retard

>>76359199
>Test is the safest anabolic compound you can take
Retarded advice. 5AR-reduced androgens are. Androsterone most likely. DHT second to it.

>>76351890 (OP)
Being strong is the only thing fatties can be proud of as if they arent squatting lmao 3 plate every time they walk to the fridge

>>76361551
Another natty dyel telling everyone about steroids.
Nobody takes that shit grow muscle, retard.

Is there any chance that taking Tongkat Ali as a supplement is going to be worthwhile and not a scam or wont cause some hormonal downregulation and defeat itself after a couple months?

My test was at 500 when I got it checked and I feel like its too low but still not really low enough to shut my nuts down and start roiding. I do all of the lifestyle shit recommended to increase test already. I also have a very high sex drive and exhibit masculine traits so I feel like if I have pretty good androgen receptor sensitivity and my test 15% or whatever might do me some real good.

>>76361627
ffs here's another one.
Your test level is fine. Any increase within the natty range does fuck all.

>>76361627
pretty sure it will cause a downregulation either when the brain detects there is more free test or your balls become less sensitive to the LH.

Thats if it even works and the studies backing it arent fake. And thats if the bottle you buy actually has tongkat ali and not just chinese saw dust.

>>76361625
Norwood + CPAP + bacne tranny

>>76358090
Trt can easily double your test while still being in range.

>>76361784
Any increase in test within the natty range does fuck all.
So you went from 400 to 800. You will notice fuck all except testicular atrophy so you might as well blast 500mg/week and get actual gains.

>>76361627


So it can increase your free test by a few points. Going to sleep at a good hour is likely going to help even more.

>>76361826

That's not true. If you're talking about muscle building you're correct, but when talking about mood and stuff it's not true.

>>76362669
test doesnt change your "mood and stuff" unless you were hypogonadal to begin with.

>>76360282
how do you explain this anon making gains at 250mg

>>76363168
>take steroids to look like a slightly bigger natty
congrats?
That's not even you so who cares

>>76363168
>take steroids to look like a slightly bigger natty
congrats?
And that random pic could be anybody saying anything

>>76363366
show us a natty with shoulders that big

>>76363407
like I have pic of shirtless men on my computer and I know if they're natty or not
You people are mentally ill

>>76363168
Hey that’s me
>>76363366
I mainly got on test for the mental/libido gains. I’m 36 and it also allows me to not be super meticulous about my diet. I would always recommend somebody does 500mg for 16-20 weeks for a first cycle and then go from there. You can always titrate down if sides are too much, but at 500mg you will be forced to learn how to manage side effects and how your body reacts to exogenous testosterone.

You’re not wrong that shutting your body down for mediocre gains with 250mg is a waste of time. I wouldn’t recommend what I do to somebody else, but it’s what works for me and my goals at this point in time.

>>76361627
not worth the risk of heavy metal poisoning like every other "natural" supplement from the refuse of the world

>>76363496

Just get from a good source.

>>76361627
All test boosters are complete bullshit, total waste of money
Literally just buy $9 vials of testosterone cypionate from China that will last you months at TRT doSSAges