Hey guys,

Started working out and I am trying to quit all booze forever for physical and mental health. I get fucking miserable and depressed without beers and wine.

I went 70 days but relapsed. I want to be the best i can be for me and family. It is starting to catch up bad.

Something that sticks? I have a beachhouse and season tickets to nfl. I get lonely working home alone. I love being buzzed because life is boring.

Any advice for a supplement? Pic rel.

what type of alcholic are you. OCD, Social Anxiety, or just crazy?

>>76362601 (OP)
Are you an alcoholic or is this like regular fat person weakness where you just like to ingest things that are bad for you?

>>76362601 (OP)
>advice for a supplement?
Mushrooms, worked for me after trying to quit several times. 8 months sober now, you can do it anon.

>>76362619
How did you know? Diagnosed with ocd depression 20 years plus ago. Also tons of social anxiety from wfh for 20 years.
I stop often but sometimes when on a boat or something fun i slam a dozen miller lites. Just sick of it man.

>>76362625
Maybe a lil this too.

>>76362627
My hero congrats! What kind? Where get (in nj here)
And will i trip? I have mental issues and kids. Any advice helps anon!

>>76362631
spent more than my fair share of time in AA meetings. OCD fags who do manage to quit are typically able to build themselves good routines and live a good life. You get to decide how low rock bottom is going to be first though.

>>76362601 (OP)
lager is shit for normalfags
at least drink stout

>>76362638
Hmn, yeah idk if i wouldsuggest them if you have mental health issues. I took mostly low doses in the range of 1-2g, had a few "trips" that were really transformative for me. search around the web, there are some studies you may be able to voluntwer for that are specific for the treatment of alcoholism and they would be better equipped to assess you suitability for it. In any case good luck and take it one day at a time

>>76362601 (OP)
>>76362655
scratch what I said
both have insane anti-inflammatory response
best to skip that shit entirely

>>76362653
I think i hit
At least in my mind
Im mentally tired anon and it truly doesnt help. Only thing booze did for me was motivate me to redo the house over the years. I have to stop completely. All or nothing for me.
And congrats!!!!!

>>76362631
If wfh is killing you why don't you get an in person job?

>>76362661
Luv ya gym brah! Ty much.

>>76362683
This is a huge part Of the problem anon.
I make good money to support the family. Im in pharma and my company is far away. Also I cant stand the industry and offices are hell to me. A conundrum truly.

>>76362601 (OP)
Im almost 2 yrs sober after almost dieing of liver failure (750ml - 1.25 liter every night for 5 years)

Everyone I know who got sober waited until it got so bad they hit rock bottom and fucked up their entire life. Its easier to stay sober when you have flashbacks of the booze ruining every relationship youve ever had and spent years of your life either drunk or going thru delerium tremens.

Maybe attend an AA meeting. Not to do the dumb steps they want you to do like accepting jesus etc. But really listen to the stories of the people there and how much they waffle stomped their entire lives down the drain and try to use that as motivation, since sound like youre in the early phases of this snowballing into a real nasty thing.

>>76362739
i promise i’ll quit once i get a gf. she’ll make me want to be a better man

How much are you drinking and what are you drinking? I’ve got an alcoholic friend who stays pretty lean/jacked drinking just shots of straight tequila with only beersalts and bites of limes or lemons as a chaser fairly clean and fast buzz and low call

>>76362601 (OP)
Yeah youre purposel depriving yourself presumably you even had a major health event thats not something to be happy about op

>>76362601 (OP)
Beer tastes like shit how do you even get hooked on it.
The only time i enjoyed it's taste i was semi-drunk

>>76362775
Everything else is girly drinks

>>76362775
You don’t have a hair on your ass do you?

>>76362627
This worked for me too.

I took 5g of golden teacher and saw my life from the perspective of others, and saw every moment of my life, relived every memory as if it was occurring the first time.

Saw how mediocre I really was. Saw how lucky I was to be alive. Saw how much alcohol contributed negatively and was at the centre of so many occasions where I fell short of where I wanted to be. The desire to drink basically disappeared.

I think everyone should do it

Im almost 2 years in, the 28th of this month actually. You have to be ready. YOU. If I can do it, you can. I know you hate to hear it, but its true. You have to be ready.
>>spent years in Thailand smoking meth with Thai hookers and drinking Johnny Walker Black.

>>76362798
men do shrooms once and discover empathy

>>76362786
I'm not going to participate in your homoerotic fantasy by posting it

>>76362803
they based a character on you in the show White Lotus

>>76362754
My gf thinks I'm more of an alcoholic than I am. She's constantly trying to make me get drinks.

>>76362822
She wants to have fun with you anon. You should go with her

>>76362837
I know. But drinking is something I like to do to relax by myself. And she always wants to go to bars and shit. They're always loud, uncomfortable, and overpriced

>>76362810
Oh? I'll have to check it out.

>>76362619
>>76362601 (OP)
it took me a while but I transitioned from whiskey almost daily to beer, then diet beer and then finally sparkling water (there's some super exotic zero alcohol, zero calorie beer from both Suntory and Asahii but its pretty expensive to get in the states)

The trick fast trick is to get your brain to swap overindulging in beer at social events to over indulging in something health(ier) at similar event

something to do with endorphins. This honestly is a pretty easy thing to chat gpt

pre prompt (take on the role of a shrink specializing in getting pople off booze. Speak to me in the same tone/ vocab as (somone you like listening to. I pick Gemma Chan)
1. (why do i feel this way on a chemical level)
2. what healthy ways will stimulate this
3. how to do this as cheaply and as quickly as possible

>>76362601 (OP)
damn, I'm about to hit 70 days myself.. thanks for posting this, it will encourage me to not relapse like you.

>>76362882
That’s true and is a fair complaint. Is there a way for you to give her what she wants (a bit of variety / adventure) while you can enjoy yourself? Maybe pick bars with good food and make it a dinner, or get cocktail ingredients and go somewhere secluded / nice to make an occasion of it like a beach or park

>>76362739
Hey anon
Ty for sharing and advice
Congrats on 2 years

>>76362798
Golden teacher huh? I may do this anon

>>76362905
EXCELLENT ADVICE ANON
AI!

>>76362920
Yw buddy ans congrats

>>76362804
Go bitch on crystal cafe slut, at least until you get some reading comprehension

>>76363082
you don't need golden teacher specifically, the type doesn't matter much, they're all psilocybin. if you can't into the darknet ask your more open minded friends or go to a local jam/edm show. do not buy "legal shroom" products from shops because they're research chemicals

LSD works too

>>76362627
I'm 28, never drank (well, not more than 10 times in my entire life) but I have a serious problem with my apathy. I failed out of college cause I cannot focus on studying for more than 10 minutes. The degree was my interest too, mechanical engineering is my heart and soul. Now I'm just a NEET
Will mushrooms help me? How can I get them? What kind should I get?

>>76363115
As an empath who fucks and sucks regularly, virgin energy is especially draining for me. In addition, my heart really aches when you guys are losers.

>>76363134
>As an empath
Shut the fuck up bitch. If you were really an empath you'd know that what >>76362798 was talking about was not empathy but self awareness

>>76363140
sounds like he’s experiencing a homosexual awakening

>>76363143
Yeah just insult him why don't you, stupid cunt haver

>>76363148
sounds like you could use a drink

>>76363155
Lmfao this fucking hole
If your retard ass is still up for it, i'm open to discussing how the first guy discovered empathy as you mentioned here >>76362804
Otherwise I accept your concession

>>76362601 (OP)
Hey friend, good on you for the honesty, that’s the most useful tool you can have in quitting.
Here’s a few things you should know
> each time a person tries to quit a substance they are more likely to succeed than the previous time, so relapses happen but you get better at quitting with each attempt
> people who are able to state a reason why they want to quit (as you did in your post) are significantly more likely to succeed, even though it may take multiple attempts
> most people take multiple attempts before they get it - those who succeed are those who keep trying
> people who start a new hobby (especially fitness) are more likely to succeed in a quitting
> find the others who are trying to do what you’re doing, especially those who have made it out
Chin up, chest out. Do not be afraid. You’re already doing it, just keep going. I am stoked for how far you’ve come already even if that’s hard to see right now. You’re gonna make it, anon.

>>76363165
Oh no, I’ve angered you enough to instead of make any actual points, you insult like a child. It’s really too easy to make idiots mad. Just admit you’re out of your depth, make a protein shake, and work off that frustration

>>76363178
This """""""empath"""""""" thinks she has anything on me. So much for lying on the internet

>>76362798
This is me

>>76362804
Empathy wasn't necessarily what I'd call it, though it kind of depends on how you want to define it - perspective, empathy, self awareness are all fine terms. I'll try and explain a bit without it coming across as mystic or druggy bullshit.

I've had a good life. I've been personally, professionally successful etc. A big part of what I came to realise on the mushroom trip was that deep down, and kind of underpinning every part of me was this base assumption that I was a little bit special - that I had a high IQ, that I am good looking, that I should be treated like I'm special or better than the average person. Main character energy basically.

I saw my significant life experiences, memories, moments - good and bad - in hyper vivid detail, only without this underlying assumption and realised that while there were times I'd done good things, a lot of the time I was mediocre, lazy, entitled or simply a little bit deluded about how awesome I was. I absolutely saw how alcohol fuelled these tendencies. I also saw how lucky I was that I'd made it to the point in life I have despite this.

It felt like looking in the mirror and instead of seeing what I wanted to, I saw what actually, objectively was - good and bad. Felt pretty profound and made me want to invest more in my relationships with family and loved ones, because the world won't remember me - and doesn't care about me - but they will and do.

I should also say that I'm not generally a drug user, and that I left the experience not wanting to take a dose of mushrooms like that again.

It helped me, and I hope it helps you all out there.

>>76363232
Man, you out here spillin' all this deep shit like you just cracked the code to life or somethin'. So you took some shrooms, saw you ain't the hotshot you thought, and now you tryna act all humble? Pfft, bet you still checkin' yourself out in every mirror, thinkin' you special. That "main character" vibe ain't vanish that quick. And now you all about family 'cause the world don’t give a damn? Cute. What, you expect a cookie for figurin' out you ain’t the center of the universe? Tell me, how you holdin’ onto that “profound” revelation when you back to your regular flexin’?

>>76363039
Yeah. I'll try and take her somewhere nice for a sunset or something. But she's never on time, and if we get there too early, she'll start waiting to get food at some tinsel and fairy lights place before the sun ever touches the horizon.

>>76363237
You know, just because you're a nigger, doesn't mean you have to type like one on the internet. Maybe you should take some shrooms and examine why you need to inject your retarded english and grammar into conversations which don't need it.

I'm not saying I turned my life around. I am saying that it helped me become aware of things about myself that I didn't like, and helped how I make decisions about what I do. Like stopping drinking - which is what OP wants to do.

Read the research if you want to be a sceptic. google it- there's plenty out there.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2795625

> Percentage of heavy drinking days during the 32-week double-blind period was 9.7% for the psilocybin group and 23.6% for the diphenhydramine group, a mean difference of 13.9%; (95% CI, 3.0–24.7; F1,86=6.43; P=.01). Mean daily alcohol consumption (number of standard drinks per day) was also lower in the psilocybin group. There were no serious adverse events among participants who received psilocybin.

>>76363237
For an “empath” you sure are a fuckin dick. Anybody who refers to themselves as such is guaranteed to be a stupid cunt.

>>76363245
>>76363252
why are you two so angry? can’t imagine what kind of drunks you are lol!

>>76363253
>claims to be an empath
>derides and belittles people who admit they are struggling with something and have taken steps to better themselves
>doesn’t contribute anything meaningful or insightful to the conversation, doubles down on being a retard
I ain’t even mad, you’re just kind of an annoying loser with a loser attitude sweetie :)

Anyway, to stay on topic, naltrexone is very helpful. You can still get drunk but it doesn’t feel good and it de-incentivizes the urge to drink.

>>76363277
Oh, sweetie, projecting harder than a cinema screen, huh? Calling me out while you’re out here flexing that "empath" badge but crying over a bruised ego? If you spent half as much time contributing something worthwhile as you do whining, maybe you’d stop tripping over your own "loser attitude." Keep swinging, champ—maybe one day you’ll hit something other than your own foot.

>>76363304
What are you talking about? Bruised ego? Whining? I never claimed to be an empath; you can’t even form a coherent insult. Your weak attempt at bullying strangers on the internet is actually pretty embarrassing. Lmao, women are such a meme.

>>76362601 (OP)
GLP-1. You will completely lose any desire to drink alcohol.

>>76363321
Well you're still responding, so either you secretly do want me or I get a rise out of you. Either way, I win

>>76362601 (OP)
>I have a beachhouse and season tickets to nfl. I get lonely working home alone. I love being buzzed because life is boring.

oh look, another work from home worthless employee, probably tech software engineer or some other irrelevant bull shit, rich enough to have season tickets to sports and a beach house, but his life is completely meaningless otherwise lol

>>76363237
The prompt for this must have been peak cringe

>>76363347
>white girl with a shirt/sweater from the office
how original

>>76363355
respond in ebonics but in a condescending tone

>>76363360
Why can’t she just be a fan of the Thunder NBA team that just won the championship?

>>76363369
word is clearly dunder, and below it says mifflin

>>76362601 (OP)
I tried kombucha for the first time the other day and it was pretty good. I tastes like a fruity beer. I just got it from wal-mart and prefer the pomegranate blueberry flavor.

>>76363347
>make condescending post
>somebody responds in turn by calling out said condescending post
>HAHA SEE GUYS I WIN, HES SO MAD
yawn. you’re pretty mid, I’ll give you that.. would smash and never call back/10

>>76363382
I tried their apple flavor first and that did taste like an apple cider beer.

>>76363347
Oh no no no no
Jesus christ. I can imagine the kind of men you "fucks and sucks regularly"

>>76363422
yeah, probably the types that post on 4chan

>>76362601 (OP)
>I can't function without drugs because life is too boring
You have ADHD

>>76363488
This. Scattered brain is actually just adhd and living in a fucked up modern world.
Mindfulness, meditation and getting out in nature helps. Paint, draw, build, break, go birdwatching.
OP if you want to kick booze try NAC. If its bad, baclofen can help but your doctor must prescribe. And if you truly need to get fucked up smoke weed instead.

quitting alcohol is not going to fix your life. quitting booze will have a rebound effect and give you extra energy and make you feel better for about a month or maybe even less. that's it. alcohol didn't make you a mediocre loser with a shit job who sits around playing video games and jerking off in your free time (or whatever your problems are.) you can quit alcohol and you will still be that same person. most men throughout history who shaped the world were heavy drinkers. there is definite health drawbacks to heavy drinking, but unless you are just simply fat, alcohol is not the cause of your problems and quitting alcohol is not going to solve them.

>>76362798
>it wasn't me. alcohol was ruining my life and making me a faggot.
maybe you need a better epiphany bud. how do not realize you dumb you are? maybe you need to to eat 2 eighths of shrooms for that realization.

>>76363398
>>76363382
>yeah so 90% of my thinking is outsourced to the little box at the top of the google page and chatgpt
>yeah so i'm gonna post some screenshots of it yeah bro
kombucha is fire but fuck that's a sad way to live

>>76363129
Maybe they would, but sounds like a problem that should be solved with therapy or self reflection to find the root of your apathy then finding purpose to fuel your drive.

>>76363347
this is clearly shopped, how are anons falling for it?

>>76363237
This, this fag >>76363232
just got high on shrooms and now he's virtue signaling as the wise and humble mystic, just another step on the narcissistic ex-drunk journey, though I doubt he ever was an alcoholic at all.

>>76363948
kek

>>76364030
He just switched one vice for another and he doesn’t even know it

>>76363347
Gross nails, hair looks dirty, acne. Youre one of those bitches that thinks dry shampoo and deodorant is just as good as showering arent you?
Stinky lil slut :3

>>76363173
You are a good person anon
Ty

>>76363277
Op here
Tried it
Completely wipes me out ans cant function

>>76363346
Diabetes injection? Not there yet sir.

>>76363354
Hey anon i am a techie. Been wfh 20 years
Gets very depressing and feels meaningless even tho it is for clinical trials and cancers

>>76363382
This anon!!!!!! I love it. The tumeric…….. have a great weekend sir.

>>76363488
This might be it. My shrink never said this. Weird. I also recoil in large groups and noise makes me freak out. Low doses of gunmies allow mento watch tv and mind wont wander

>>76363742
Ty anon

>>76363915
Anon i have been married for 21 years (yest) and have 2 kids and a nice home. I have it all but peace of mind. I am considered agnostic and dont vidya anymore. A lot of this stems from depression for sure. I walk a lil everyday and am conscious of what i eat. I need to drop some - 5’11 180 but gets harder after 50. There is that empty void and lack of excitement. Booze gave that to me. I would cook for the family, clean, redid whole house, chainsaw trees ans split…… with booze. Almost like it wS coke or something.
Maybe im just getting old -i am

>>76363915
But essentially you are 100 percent correct
Booze was a symptom and relief of something greater
Just sick of thinking anon

Never get a desk job. Physical work is so important