Is this the natty limit after 5 years of lifting?

>>76381125 (OP)
Let me guess, you need MORE!?

He looks great although I expected that 100kg bench would result in more muscle

>>76381136
There are guys who have been training for half a year with more gains than him

>>76381148
And then there are guys who have never been weight training in their lives who look bigger and stronger than you ever will
Your point?

>>76381148
How do you explain these differences in results then?

>>76381160
He did a bro split with a focus on getting stronger rather than hypertrophy.

>>76381125 (OP)
Yeah, this is the limit for men who have 150ng/dl t levels maybe.

>>76381144
it only results in as much muscle as that because he's short

>>76381232
That doesn't make sense because if he's a manlet then he should look a lot bigger with his gains. If he's a manlet and he looks like that after 5 years of consistent lifting, he should honestly rope.

>>76381125 (OP)
No flex, no pump, bad angles/pose and phone camera

He looks good

>>76381165
What's mostly wrong? Doing a brosplit routine or getting stronger rathan than focusing on hypertrophy? I'm personally considering doing a brosplit now but with hypertrophy rep ranges (10-12 reps)

>>76381250
>no mention of his squat numbers
>good
you must be joking

>>76381268
>squat
He's not obese tho

>>76381265
All I can say is that I got my best results from working out body parts 4-5x a week rather than only 2x a week with heavy weights. I just focused on volume and form with lower weights.

>>76381125 (OP)
The natty limit is higher but his physique looks better than 99% of the planet and his lifts probably put him in the top 5% of lifters too. Anyone who thinks that is a bad physique are delusional permanently online people who need to stop looking at roided influencers all day.

>>76381309
4-5x a week??

>>76381125 (OP)
This is the physique women are most attracted to btw

>doing 5RM barbell compounds and expecting to look good

>>76381332
This

>>76381336
I go to the gym 5-6 times a week and do some bodyparts 4-5x yes. I only try to max once a week, but I mostly do 30-40% of my max with high volume to avoid injuries and overtraining.

>>76381371
Ok so you're in the high frequency low intensity side

>>76381371
If you don't believe me the science supports it.
Zaroni et al. (2018) – Higher frequency vs. lower frequency in trained individuals
Ochi et al. (2018) – 3x/week vs. 6x/week training
Schoenfeld et al. (2016)

>>76381388
Yeah, I think that high intensity with less frequency can work, especially if you're enhanced, and advanced like pro bodybuilders but for average people higher frequency is better.

>>76381404
it's the exact opposite, only steroid freaks can gain muscles doing full volume bro splits

>>76381404
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>>76381498
That's why I hate fitness forums: people always disagree with each other, and no consensus is reached

>>76381498
Then explain why people who do things like SS make really shitty gains and just get fat

>>76381532
Exactly this

>>76381268
I'm the anon in the pic. It was taken from the bench thread.
I rarely squat. I think the most I've done is 120kg for 8.

>>76381165
>>76381148
>>76381160
I'm the anon in pic. I will tell you exactly about my routine.
>> 76381444
Some info here.
I'm a bit over 6', 81kg. I was about 68kg when I started when I was 28. I've looked the same for the last few years

>>76381144
>for reps
its probably not for 5x12 reps

>>76381165
I did did a mixture of screwing around randomly, athleanx programs. Then I did PPL for like 8 months and now I'm doing arnold split. I did a lot of strength stuff like you say - low reps. I'm doing 8-12 for basically everything now apart from bench and OHP which I enjoy more with more weight and lower reps.

>>76381136
No, that is already top 15% of the male population in North America. Too many /fit/ards have severe body dsymorphia.

>>76381241
I'm a bit over 6'0

>>76381532
>why do people who do extremely low volume and eat twice their maintenance calories get fat
gee its a mystery

>>76381656
Probably top 5% actually if we're considering general population. I think anons body is pretty nice, but he shouldn't really be bragging about it.

>>76381660
I was just replying to someone saying bench will destroy your shoulders and cause saggy bitch tits. Out of context it looks more like a general brag

>>76381650
5x5 on a good day.

>>76381532
umh I dunno probably because:
no hypertrophy range of reps
poor exercise selection
no iso

Intensity doesn't mean

>>76381136
I wouldn't shave for one. Having a six pack would be nice for a bit.

>>76381125 (OP)
he should lose some weight.

>>76381125 (OP)
nope. guy is weak as fuck and probably 170-180lbs at ~13% bodyfat ie small. You can be alot bigger natty and more defined. He's probably 6' so he could naturally be 220lbs at the same or less bodyfat.
You could reach his level in about a year of training, its not hard. Just go to the gym 3-4 days a week and progress, eat in a slightly surplus (if you start out skinny). Then stop all progress and dont eat and maintain. Its decent, but its not elite/advanced natural physique, but probably the physique women prefer.
>natty limit, kgs since euro poors
absolutely not. Nowhere close. just weak af and lean at a body weight below his potential.
If he was near his limit he could be benching 150kgs for reps and 90kgs ohp for reps with an additional 20kgs of lean muscle, but that requires work and dedication, and that guy in the pic just tapped out at the intermediate level and has just maintained. it looks good, and you probably dont need to get bigger for women, but its nowhere near the natty limit.
Probably ideal as you dont need more time in the gym and you can maintain while doing other more important things like job/dating

>>76381125 (OP)
I looked like this after lifting for 18 months. Numbers are also shit. I've been lifting for 5 years now and I bench 120kg for reps and OHP 70kg for reps. Shit physique and shit lifts