This is literally 90% of /fit/ lol

Yeah, people tend to over correct and mess it up a bit at first, and then learn a little more and do better.

If you eat nothing but chicken breasts and eggs for a couple of weeks as a dumbass teen trying to get ripped, you’re still going to make more progress than someone eating whatever and not giving a shit.

And ultimately, the bros get some shit right enough: Chicken and rice is still a solid thing to eat, and will get you ripped if you eat it in the right quantities.

>>76384882 (OP)
Can you explain what this means? We are meatheads not doctors

>>76384882 (OP)
No, the first exposure is "chicken, rice, broccoli", the rice will keep your blood sugar fine.

no one eats 100% protein meals lmao

>>76384910
You eat too much protein, forcing your body to convert excess protein into glucose at a very inefficient ratio like 0.3, creating tons of waste products in your blood stream and nuking your general cellular health

>>76384910
Chemistry major, /fit/tard, med school applicant here. GNG = Gluconeogenesis, it's the process your body uses to make sugar from protein/amino acids. Twitter anon implies that protein rich/protein only diets lead to a catch-22 where your body burns your protein for energy meaning you can't build muscle efficiently, both because of the cortisol spike and because you're burning thru protein. An oversimplification of biochemistry but one that makes intuitive sense. Should you be worried? No, GNG/Keto do not restrict muscle growth, even if it's not ideal. Also, the cortisol released naturally in your body as a result of diet won't create a fucking stress cycle SOLELY the result of your intake.

Should you continue with keto? No. Just eat balanced so your body doesn't fucking act retarded. Have carbs. Have fats. They are essential to a proper diet. Complex carbohydrates from things like rice, bread, pasta helps replenish glycogen stores (rice being the most GOATED carb if you have a small stomach like me). Keto diets are retarded, as is any diet that goes out of its way to restrict an entire category of food.

The supreme high performance macro split is 69/25/6
carbs protein fat

>>76384996
For women.

>>76384991
>>76384993
But isn't the reason why they recommend high protein intake when cutting so that the body has enough protein for muscles and then after that it takes that protein for other uses? Like that is part of the reason why high prot is recommended especially while in a caloric deficit. Seems like that would disprove this? Not that i know. thanks for the explanations

>>76385006
Women need fat, men don't need fat

>>76385018
Men absolutely need dietary fat for proper hormonal function, absorbing fat-soluble micros, etc. Don't be retarded.

>>76385014
>recommend high protein intake when cutting
it's not higher than when not cutting, you just need to be extra mindful of hitting your protein goal when cutting because you're limited in how many calories you can eat.

if you didn't hit your protein goal while also being in a deficit, you're guaranteeing that your body will start breaking down some of your muscles.

>>76385026
Yes thats why the 6 grams
Let me guess, you need more?
No

>>76384882 (OP)
Thats why permacutters use steroids, a good diet routine is you only have to cut for maybe 2mo a year. Just so you can constantly refeed and gain muscle a few hrs around lifting anyways since youre just gonna start putting on fat any time you have a 500cal meal on the cut.

>>76385039
Wait, the 69/25/6 bullshit is in grams? So 430 calories a day? Are you a toddler?

200g protein
120g fats
250-400g carbs
simple as

>>76384910
It doesn't mean anything, it's cope from some sugar addicted retard.

>>76385062
No it was in percentages

>>76384991
>>76384993
i still don't understand what the consequence is supposed to be. what the fuck is wrong with you autistic retards? i'm not going to dispute that you understand what you're saying but you need to be able to COMMUNICATE that to others who don't have a repository of background knowledge you have.

>>76385076
Then why did you say 6 grams?

>>76385084
There is no consequences other than wasted efficiency
It's not like you're going to die or get sick
It's simply more efficient to eat enough protein and carbs so that your body doesn't waste proteins for keeping up your glucose levels

>>76384882 (OP)
One time i got bigger after like rest day 3-5 idek anymore(building up cns/cortisol likely).

>>76385071
that's above the deficit threshold

>>76384882 (OP)
Aaahhh yes, I'm glad I can read up """"""""people"""""""" sharing their succulent and very notable opinions on twitter, right here on this site.

>>76384993
Neoglugenesys evangelion: shinji gets sum bitches on his dick

>>76385096
it makes no sense in hypothetical numbers how is eating 400 grams protein and wasting 200 worse than eating 200 protein 200 carbs

i eat chicken and rice for lunch everyday
i eat turkey bacon eggs and bread for breakfast
i eat rice/potato+cheese and meat for dinner

I take 8 supplement pills. what am i missing

>>76384993
You had my attention >>76384993
up until you started babbling about keto. How did you jump the mental hoop from "more protein" to "muh keto"?

>>76385537
In hypothetical numbers there is no difference
Carbs just work better and faster for your goals than having your body convert them from protein to glucose, there are byproducts that are considered toxic and will stress your kidneys
It also takes literally more energy from your body to convert proteins to glucose which will cause you to feel bad for a while, sluggish tired etc

When you could just eat carbs

You don’t need more than 60 and that’s a fact

>>76384882 (OP)
that depends on where you learn it initially.

>>76385297
that's my current weight loss macros (on the lower end of carbs), I've been losing around 0.75kg~ a week for the past 8 weeks

>>76384882 (OP)
it depends i would listen to your body really think do i want a protein heavy meal carb or fatty meal, this may not be 100% accurate but it feels good listening to your body and thats where the love comes from yo

>>76385651
>listen to your body
My body right now craves fresh sourdough bread with melted butter on top. Don’t listen to your body

>>76385539
You need at least another 12 supplement pills.

>>76385675
that means your body craves fats and carbs not specifically sourdough bread with butter.
retard

>>76385014
You need a certain amount of everything, carbs give you energy for you body to transform other animals' proteins into proteins that are compatible with your body. Your body doesn't just copypaste proteins, it needs to break them down and rebuild them with a different shape.

>>76385694
It doesn’t I ate an hour ago. Salmon and rice

>>76385763
just because tou ate doesnt mean your body wont crave what it missed.

>>76385694
its not body. cravings come from your brain recalling pleasurable meals
if your body is hungry you will salivate for whatever garbage is in your fridge

>>76385801
fuck this board just gets more retarded by the day

>>76385814
you are fat

>>76384882 (OP)
Nonsense. Almost everyone in the fitness industry recommends rice alongside lean meat.

>>76385801
That's what i'm saying, therefore you shouldn't listen to your body.

Isn’t like 100g of cooked rice enough to replenish all the glycogen lost from a lifting session?

>>76385828
and you're a faggot

>>76385834
you should listen to your body, its very important to do so
just not to random food cravings that is bullshit yes

>>76385850
100grams of cooked rice is alot of water
You want more than that unless your lifting session was like 20 minutes

>>76385865
I gave in and ate 2 slices of sourdough with butter. It was delicious but im at 2.8k calories today. Also got it for 7 euros from a local bakery

>>76385801
Gym niggas now thinkin they solved the mind body problem n shiet

>>76384910
>Can you explain what this means?
it means have a banana and an apple between your meals. Problem sovled. People overthinking their diet when their just some hobby gym goer office clerks.. stop pretending you are a professional

>>76385873
actual fat fuck
next time incorporate some fat in your meal

>>76385890
I'm 75kg at 177cm. is that too fat?

>>76385900
nevermind eat more
eat all you can

>>76385933
Bro stop trolling, i'm i a fat fuck yes or no?

>>76385954
or

>>76385962
i've reached my natty limit tho

1g/lb protien
60g fats (or 50 - 70 is fine too)
Carbs to hit your CICO goal its literally that easy you bunch of fucking faggots.

>>76386031
source for all these claims?

>>76386077
Go back to plebbit you stinky fucking nigger lover.

>>76384882 (OP)
morning diet high on complex carbs, training at 5pm after diet high on protein

>>76386031
prove it

>>76384993
>med school applicant
Don't go to DO schools lil bro. Hold out for an MD
>t. been giving my classmates weird erotic massages 3-6 hours a week for two years

>>76384882 (OP)
literally the fucking ground beef poster in the other thread kek

>>76384910
It's just delusional cope.

>>76385026
>Men absolutely need dietary fat for proper hormonal function
I need fat... some fat fucking TITTIES in my face, if you know what I mean
I am so FUCKING HORNY BROS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>76384882 (OP)
Jay Thiamine is a smart man, and a sweet boy. Take your thiamine if you want to live.

>>76385096
>There is no consequences other than wasted efficiency
That's a lot of replies to get to this about OPs post
So, really, it doesn't fucking matter soo shut the fuck up

>>76386077
My fucking dick

>>76384882 (OP)
going to need to see a peer-reviewed article with n > 100 that shwos conclusively that eating too much protein kills your gains

>>76386603
This too will pass. It's meant for the tough times passing and the good times passing, either way, you will get over the horniness because it is a fleeting gratification of flesh and hormones.
Masturbation will help it die down, but that also needs to stop for your betterment.

>>76385900

>>76385900
Depends, can you lift 50x your own body weight?

>>76384993
How much cortisol though, like ill have periods where i shed hair, i grow it back because of genetics and really good diet but i wonder if this mechanism is to blame because i will sometimes drink a lot and eat like 300g protein in a day. Does getting drunk and high lower cortisol because i lost hair sober but really dont drinking so id just like your take on some medical phenomenons ive been experiencing and ill give you lifting technique in return im actually good at that.

>>76384882 (OP)
Complete missinformation
Every biochemical process requires ATP to function, which is made by oxidating pyvurate in the citrate cycle of the body. The citrate cycle can be fueled by glucose, ketones (from protein) or from fatty acids. Only a few things actually require glucose. The kidneys for example. Which is why the liver generates glucose out of ketones or fatty acids (This process is reversible through the aforementioned citrate cycle) Most cells can run on ketones, even your brain. The heart can even run directly on fatty acids. This is why cardio is so good for you. The heart is the auschwitz of organs. Every filth gets burned. (it wasn't real btw)

>>76384993
You’re an undergrad lol. Pipe down small son.
>med school applicant
LMFAO

>>76385763
>Didn't consume fats
>Craves fats
Many such cases

>>76384882 (OP)
130g protein a day isn't gonna harm you

>>76388915
dont take twitter posts seriously twitter users are about as stupid as 4chan users.
That poster isnt takjng into account that most protein you eat is along side something else and not just shakes and that most protein rich meals usually have a ton of vitamins and nutrients and arent just loaded with only protein

>>76388921
I think 60g of my 120g is from protein powder

Most people are fat fucks so protein without a lot of fat or carbs is good.

>>76385541
Not him, but: are you retarded? He's talking about the OP image and how you need to not have JUST protein in your diet. Keto is all about restricting your diet so its just protein.

>>76384993
just don't ever eat fiber

stop eating bananas guys they have protein
according to this expert twitter user protein = bad

>>76389118
holy shit guys stop eating broccoli

>>76389079
No you definitely should eat fiber so you don't blow a gasket.

>>76389128
Shit, I eat 200g of this a day (I used to eat 400g but I'm cutting)

>>76384882 (OP)
>Eating too much protein cancels out the lifting you did that day
Has never happened once. Dumb fucking moron trying to show off his le education

>>76389079
>t. One roll of TP per shit
Meanwhile I eat a cup of yogurt with 1/3 cup of oats after 2 chk breasts and a banana and almost never have to wipe more than 2-3 times. First is a doodoo check, second is for remnants and third is to tidy up. Poopa usually lasts about 2-3 minutes.
It is quite wonderful having a complete bowel movement.

>>76389070
>expecting me to read twitter shitter

Better to have too much protein than too little. Don't wanna leave gains on the table just because shlomo told me to eat less protein.

>>76384882 (OP)
It's not so much that "gymbros" are mindlessly eating nothing but protein because "ugg, protein good, protein make grugg stronger", it's that the commonly recommended guideline for protein consumption (1g/lb of bodyweight) that every dipshit repeats ad nauseam is complete bullshit (for natties) that pretty much necessitates you eat almost nothing but protein-based meals all day. The real target is more like .6-.8g/lb, and that primarily comes from studies done on trained athletes--novices can go even lower.

>>76388897
What a weird post to exhibit your crab mentality while typing like a nigger in response to.

>>76389118
Is your reading comprehension so poor that you actually got "protein = bad" from the OP? How old are you?

>>76389970
PROTEIN BAD