What’s the deal with cheese? Seems like half the time people treat it like a health food and half the time it’s treated as unhealthy slop

>>76386580 (OP)
>What’s the deal with cheese?
taste good
>Seems like half the time people treat it like a health food and half the time it’s treated as unhealthy slop
taste good

it's not a health food, that's for sure

>>76386580 (OP)
What's a health food?

only white people cope about cheese being healthy lol

>>76386580 (OP)
>Seems like half the time people treat it like a health food
that's when they eat real cheese like in your pic
>and half the time it’s treated as unhealthy slop
that's when they eat "pasteurised cheese product"

The milk industry tried and still tries very hard to advertise it as health food thats why
Its not

>>76386868
Cheese was a staple part of many peoples diets long before the milk industry was a thing

>>76386580 (OP)
moderation

>>76386876
So was beer, doesn't mean its not unhealthy slop

Depends on the cheese. It IS usually nutrient dense; there's a reason we started eating it. Some cheeses are mostly fat and micronutrients though, like cream cheese.
I think a good rule of thumb is that the more spreadable/melty cheeses are fattier, and the more solid/brick-like cheeses like parmesan have more protein to them.

>>76386580 (OP)
This is the thing op, asking if cheese is good for you is like asking if pasta is good for you. Normal pasta is an alright crab source. Deep fried breaded ziti is a death sentence.

Back in the day cheese was a way to preserve milk before refrigeration and such. Cheese was a common, fat and protein dense food. It was seen as simple, stoic, and therefore good for you. Same as low abv beers. Benjamin Franklin talks about this.

However, since we don’t use so many calories, drinking pure carbs and eating a shit ton of fat might not be a good idea just because of the excess calories. Also, in these days the higher sodium, more aged, higher protein cheeses were more common because they took longer to go bad.

There are plenty of types of cheeses. I’ll break them down into 4 categories:

FRESH CHEESES:

These are cheese like mozzarella, cottage cheese, and farmers cheese. They generally take the macros of the milk used. Mozzarella uses whole milk, the macros are close to that. Goodculture cottage cheese uses skim milk, macros are way higher in protein. I eat a lot of good culture just because they don’t have the terrible flavor and texture most low fat cottage cheese has. Look at the labels for these, they’re not a monolith.

SOFT CHEESES:

These are cheeses like brie and Camembert. Basically a step above eating butter macro wise. Lots of fat, little protein. If you need dairy fat, great. If not, stay away. Super high calorie foot.

SEMI SOFT CHEESES:

Cheeses like gouda and cheddar. Generally these are middle of the road, though there are some low fat options that taste worse but are much more protein dense.

HARD CHEESES:

These cheese have been aged for much longer so leaked more water and fat. Higher protein, higher sodium. A good protein source if you can handle the sodium content and the price. In the US these get pretty expensive.


Basically the conclusion is that they are a good source of dairy fat and protein (nutrient dense) but vary wildly.

pasteurized camembert sucks

>>76386580 (OP)
Cottage Cheese is actually very healthy in that it's high protein and low carb.

Also fat free cheese is a GAME CHANGER! 45 calories a serving and filled with protein.

>>76386880
beer is good for you

>>76386595
>>76386868
Why not?

>>76387223
Thank you for the actually informative post. So another case of 'high calories = bad.'

>>76387240
I believe the word is "abomination."

>>76386580 (OP)
scientific pseudobabble has completely destroyed peoples souls. i will kill the next npc cattle describing an emotion with some hormone/neurotransmittor MUH DOPAMINE or MUH HEALTHY UNHEALTHY
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>76386580 (OP)
>high in fat and calories
>tastes divine
all you need to know, make it fit your macros and don't overdo it

>>76386650
dunno
Italians and french eat a lot of cheese and are healthy

>>76386595
>>76386650
>>76386868
>>76386880
why?

>>76386868
>The milk industry tried and still tries very hard to advertise it as health food
What world are you living in

>>76386580 (OP)
Good if you want to get fat

>>76387223
Cheese coming from an animal source makes it a worse somewhat processed food than pasta.
Processed + animal = not even once

>>76388395
>>76388401
why?

>>76388401
Yeah, you're right. A Degermed, pulverized, dried grain product with an incomplete protein profile that has to be enriched with vitamins because if people made it the staple of their diet, they would die is so much better than partially fermented milk.

>>76386580 (OP)
Healthy but subhumans cant digest it so they seethe.

>>76388953
Truth nuke
God I fucking hate shitskins so much
fucking disgusting nigger beasts

>>76388953
You realize cheese contains virtually no lactose, right?

>>76386846
>>76387223
>>76387158
It's really just this OP. Focus on cheese made with real milk and in traditional ways, and avoid super spready soft cheeses.
A 350g block of Farmer's cheese has 73g of protein and is delicious
>inb4 enjoy your clogged arteries
at 38 g of saturated fat it is quite high, but the saturated fat in dairy is not like those in isolated fats (like butter, lard, various oils) and is provably much less harmful or even neutral to hearth health.

>>76389032
Yeah, as opposed to cheese made with fake milk.

>>76389047
Yeah anon, look at the ingredients for the average American "pasteurized dairy food product". There's some real milk in there, but not much, or a lot of waste products involved in other dairy food production.

>>76389047
What do you think the point of my post was?

still waiting for the anons that said its not good for you to explain why its not good for you

>>76387345
>>76389076

Saturated fats and trans fats are bad for you, both naturally occur in cheese

>high calories = bad
Generally yes, because high calorie foods are often high in these unhealthy fats

Doesn't mean you can't ever eat it, but everytime you do eat it you are just poisoning yourself a little

>>76386580 (OP)
Ultra-processed slop.
Highly palatable, high in calories, relatively low in protein.

>>76389096
>Saturated fats are bad for you
Nope

>>76386876
Yeah, when refrigeration didn't exist and the chance of starvation was real.
In modern times of plenty, the vast majority of people will over eat on it.

>>76389108
I get, you've been brainwashed by common keto grifters
Sorry for you, but enjoy your food at least

>>76388401
Yeah processing an animal product through natural means while not fucking with the micronutrient profile is 100% better than taking a seed and stripping it of all its nutrients then adding synthetic versions back in.

Real bright anon.

>>76388647
>>76389132
That's weird, the guy didn't mention highly processed grains in any way
What kind of weird defensive response is this?

>>76386580 (OP)
It's because it's hyper palatable and caloricly dense.
This was good historically when food was scarce, especially for the common folk who might get a little cheese and some bread while doing hard physical work 10-14 hours a day 7 days a week.
But a modern human, sitting on their ass, almost certainly needs less calories, and eating calorie dense delicious food is how the average person gets fat.
So it's certainly not a "health" food. In moderation as a treat it's fine, the only people pushing it as a "health food" are literal governments with a surplus of dairy stores, and keto/carnivore retards.

>>76389096
>>76389108
>>76389114
Some saturated fats are bad for yo, the saturated fat that naturally occurs in dairy is neutral or heart-protective.
Saturated fats help you synthesize sex hormones like testosterone.
>>76389104
>low in protein
Cottage cheese is one of the most protein dense foods out there

>>76386580 (OP)
>entire world's fastest epidemic is caused by easily available highly delicious calorically dense food
>is this easily accessible highly delicious calorically dense food a health food???

>>76389168
most fat retards eat "cheese" between slices of sugary "bread" and on top of lard-fried beef.
don't eat like a fat retard, and you'll be fine.

>>76389172
You can just not eat cheese and be finer and have more calories for other delicious food

>>76388401
>Cheese coming from an animal source makes it a worse somewhat processed food than pasta
Absolutely deranged post you should be imprisoned for your own and society's good. Classic case of grain brain.

>>76389141
Pasta colloquially refers to white pasta And you know it.

>>76389176
Yeah, you go do that. But if you're eating cheese (of certain types and nutritional compositions) and in reasonable, planned amounts, there's no reason why you'd be worse off than otherwise.
The food that's been around for ten thousand years is not responsible for lards in the last fifty years. You have to look at the foods that have newly become available, hyper-processed bread, factory sausage, fast food, etc

>>76389162
>Cottage cheese is one of the most protein dense foods out there
Jesus christ are you retarded?
>Cottage cheese - 11% protein, 9 cal/g pro
>Chicken breast raw - 23% protein, 5 cal/g pro
>93% lean ground beef - 20% protein, 7.3 cal/g pro
>Whey protien - 80% protein, 4.5 cal/g pro
It's not even half as much protein content as multiple whole food sources, and it's processed slop, compared to other processes food it's 1/7th the protein content, it's also substantially more calories per gram of protein you get.

>>76389191
>one of

>>76389172
>lard fried beef = bad
>congealed slices of cow fat as "cheese" = good
Lmao

>>76389191
>includes whey protein in a list comparing foods that predate industry
are you retarded

>>76389180
You will never be a carnivore. You cannot synthesize vitamin C, you have no sharp teeth nor claws. You are a brainwashed zealot twisted by industrial misinformation and grifters into a crude mockery of natures perfection.

>>76389193
It's not even one of, the "best" example of cheese you could muster is on the order of some of the worst examples of a high protein food.

>>76389200
Cope harder, and/or learn reading comprehension thirdie nigger.

>>76389190
If you're limiting your amount of cheese intake then its just not a health food
Admit it and move on
Everything is fine in moderation, even Pizzas, burgers, fried chicken

>>76389205
I don't really care because nobody used the word best. Learn to accept when you're wrong And misread the post and not pivot to strawmen.

>>76389197
Yes, one contains long-chain saturated fats that are provably worse for you compared to other saturated fats (like short chain and medium chain).

>>76389212
Yeah, you're right, drinking isn't healthy because you can hyper saturate yourself with water and die, Licorice tea isn't healthy because if you drink too much, you can imbalance your electrolytes and die. Apples aren't healthy because if you eat enough apples to get a half cup worth of seeds, you'll get cyanide poisoning and die.

>>76387223
Thanks cheese wiz

>>76389218
Nice reductio ad absurdum, these things don't happen
People eating too much cheese happens all the time

>>76389218
A seditsry person does not accidently give themselves water poisoning, take a look in a store, and you see many have given themselves the fat.

>>76387240
Cottage cheese is barely cultured, it's still basically milk, just drink milk.

Fat free cheese being protein dense is the same as fat free milk, JUST DRINK MILK.

>>76389230
Every single one of these things has happened.

>>76389233
Thats not how Cottage cheese is made.
Once the first round of curd Whey separation for standard cheeses, the Whey is processed again, and again, these make the softer cheeses like cottage cheese.

>>76389232
You can't just add a modifier in order to try and debunk something. Nobody's talking about sedentary people, and it's totally irrelevant to the discussion.

>>76389233
if it's basically milk, why does it matter which one you choose?
people choose cheese for its convenience, longevity, and greater presence of glutamate making it more suitable for savory preparations.
why must it be all or nothing with you faggots?

>>76389243
Cottage cheese (and all cheeses) have way, way less lactose than milk.
Lactose has far more proof in the literature of leading to heart disease than saturated fat or cholesterol, stay the fuck away from milk.

>>76389273
I'd be really interested in reading some of that literature. I've never heard of lactose causing heart disease. Can you point me in the direction of some of those studies?

>>76389104
>relatively low in protein
huh? most cheese has 15 to 25 grams per 100
thats on par with chicken

so whats with the influx of people shitting on cheese here? is it SEA people?

>>76389428
Yeah, no it doesn't. Your average cheese per 100 calories has about 6 to 7 grams of protein.

>>76389445
what the hell, where do you live? im Italian and i shopped for cheese yesterday and i most cheeses were way higher
emmental was 25g, parmesan was 32, provolone, cheddar and fontina around 25g, mozzarella from 18 to 25 grams depending on the milk, ricotta 20 grams
obviously you should slow down on the brie and mascarpone

This is why measuring stuff in grams is stupid. An average serving of meat for a person might be something like eight ounces. You're not going to eat eight ounces of cheese, especially if your fitness minded, because the calories would be astronomical. Something being a good source of protein or high in protein is relative to the other macronutrients. For example, if you measured egg in grams, you could misleadingly say that eggs are high in protein. But they're not. They're high in fat and low in protein. A single egg is over 73% fat. Similarly, if you're going to have a slice of mozzarella cheese or a couple tablespoons of parmesan, the protein is going to be negligible because it's going to be vastly overshadowed by the fat content. Fitness-oriented people prioritize protein-rich foods. Cheese is not something that they prioritize. You're not going to eat a half a pound of mozzarella cheese, as you might do with chicken breast or thigh.

Cheese is basically lighter butter, so less bad, that doesn't make it good. Doesn't give you anything that you can't get from healthier foods
>>76388441
Can't you read the nutritional info from the food packaging?

>Parmesan (Parmigiano-Reggiano) – 35–38 g
>Grana Padano – 33–35 g
>Romano – 31–33 g
>Swiss (Emmental) – 28–30 g
>Gruyère – 27–30 g
>Provolone – 25–26 g
>Cheddar – 25–26 g
>Manchego – 24–26 g
>Gouda – 24–25 g
>Edam – 23–25 g
>Mozzarella (whole milk) – 20–22 g
>Camembert – 19–20 g
>Brie – 17–21 g
>Feta – 14–17 g
>Cottage Cheese (low-fat) – 11–13 g
>Ricotta (whole milk) – 7–11 g
>Cream Cheese – 6–10 g

yuros consume tonnes of them and they have never been linked to harmful fats

>>76389482
you might be the most retarded anon on the board
>>76389479
right after this one for not understanding grams

>>76389483
Is this supposed to be protein content or fat content? What does linked to harmful fats even mean?

>>76389493
protein content
saturated fats are a spook, and are not that harmful especially to active people

>>76389491
It's weird how you didn't address his claims at all, which were largely accurate.

>>76389482
>>76389445
What kind of cheese are you guys eating that has so few proteins and as much fat as butter?

>>76387223
based cheeseposter

>>76389491
Then, what does cheese offer that other foods don't that warrants ingesting excessive amounts of saturated fat, oh smart one?

>>76389507
It's the same cheese. You just measure it in a misleading way.

>>76389497
I agree, but I don't see what protein content has to do with the saturated fat content.

>>76389509
It's tasty

>>76389497
I think fats (any fats ) in general are unhealthy when paired with ultra processed high glycemic carbs (which most americans do). Stop injecting sugar and other ultra processed carbs into everything and and imagine high fat foods would become less of a problem.

...Why are so many anons suddenly so angry about cheese? What did i miss?
>>76389509
With this line of thinking you can minmaxx yourself into eating protein cubes and pods

>>76389532
I want that gruel looking stuff that the humans ate in the matrix.

>>76389525
>eating for pleasure
Why are you on /fit/?

>>76389527
not my problem
im a singular being, not a society
also, Italians eat tons of carbs and cheese and their hearth problems aren't higher than in other countries

>>76389538
Where did i say i eat for pleasure? I said i find cheese tasty
>reading comprehension

>>76386580 (OP)
I think this video pretty much sums up everything you need to know about incorporating cheese into a healthy diet.

https://youtu.be/Nvo-1cSLEXg?si=F28uDAQuJueNiXpW

>>76389540
>Italians eat tons of carbs
not like Americans.
to put things into perspective white bread here is classified as a pastry in Europe due to its sugar content. nearly everything here in a plastic or cardboard package has sugar added to it.

>>76389445
Well that's just retarded. The average cheese we use here is anywhere between 20 to 20g of protein per 100g. Cottage cheese is basically 27g of protein and 80kcal per 100g.

>>76389579
when I had to cut out sugar , it forced me to start cooking as I learned all the code words and euphemisms companies used for sugar on nutrional labels , and very few packaged foods don't have sugar added to them in one form or another.

>>76389593
Notice he said grams per 100 calories, not grams per 100 grams so i guess he's somewhat right

>>76389593
It's not retarded. You just can't think out of your conventional measurements. Everything I said was correct. I said grams per 100 calories, which is around 1 ounce of cheese. No fitness-minded person is out there eating 100 grams of cheese, which would be around 3.5 ounces.

>>76389613
you do understand that when people say "per 100 grams" they don't mean they eat 100 grams right? its used as a fraction, a percentage
are you this guy?>>76389479
you must be american to fail so much in understanding metric measurement

>>76389613
>No fitness-minded person is out there eating 100 grams of cheese, which would be around 3.5 ounces.
Source? Does fitness-minded person means a twink or a perma cut person?

>>76389623
Yes, if you read my previous post, which you just responded to by calling me stupid, I indicated that protein richness is dependent on serving size.

>>76389608
I am going to conveniently ignore that.

>>76389642
You're retarded lmao

>>76389657
I'm sorry, you're so upset.

>>76389428
Per 100g of cheese, most cheese has 9 to 13 g protien.
It's fucking shit.

>>76387245
WRONG

>>76389623
You not being able to think outside the confines of your culture does not mean other people don't understand your culture. It actually means the opposite.

>>76389466
Ahh yes, provolone cheese, such a good health good with its 27% fat content, or Parmesean with 28% fat

>>76389682
>>76389664
Stop arguing with this guy. He's not getting the point and he's not going to.

When I think of health-food I think of food that makes me healthier like veggies which blunt my bloodsugar spike when eating and helps with digestion and fulness and which have plenty of micro nutrients that are good for you

How is cheese possibly considered a health-food when you need to severely limit it due to its high calorie, fat and sodium content?

>>76389483
>Parmesan (Parmigiano-Reggiano) – 35–38 g
Is that for like a 130g serving? Because per 100g, Parmesean has 27g pro and 28g fat.

>>76389702
Tell me about all the times you've eaten 100 grams of Parmesan.
>i don't eat that mu
Great, I'm glad you concede that your stupid measurements are totally irrelevant when it comes to the actual amount that you eat.

>>76389507
How cheese is made, the casein protein structures shrink and wind up around the fat, this forms the solid cheese, and most the Whey protien is pushed out and remains in the water, so a cheeses protein content is directly linked to its fat content, especially the firmer the cheese, since softer cheeses are mostly made by reprocessing the whey-water multiple times, and here's just less fat for congealed into the remaining casein.

>>76389698
>severely limit it due to its high calorie, fat and sodium content?

>>76389527
Fats are "bad" for maintaining a healthy weight mostly because they are just so damn calorically dense, and tastey.

>>76389724
Can you eat a whole plate of cheese every day?
No
But you can eat a whole plate of veggies every day and it would make you actually healthier
Thats a health-food

>>76386580 (OP)
Cheese is based and fags are dumb. How is this difficult to understand?

>>76389537
.5 cup oats (dry weight then cooked) + punch of salt + 2 scoop unflavored Whey isolate + 20g honey + Strawberries, blueberries, and raspberries.

>>76389737
>Can you

>>76389096
You type like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>76389593
>Cottage cheese is basically 27g of protein and 80kcal per 100g.
Lol fucking liar.
Post a pic of the nutrition label.

>>76389710
That's not what I asked or the point I was making, nice strawman attempt though.

>>76389749
You can't Google cottage cheese nutrition facts?

>>76389737
>Can you eat a whole plate of cheese every day?
Yes.

>>76389664
>Per 100g of cheese, most cheese has 9 to 13 g protien.
>>76389483
here's a list of some of the most famous cheeses and their protein x100g

My grandma has been eating unhealthy amount of cheese all her life and her cholesterol levels are normal

>>76389788
People of that generation were made with a different formula. My grandmother lived to 99 and still had literally all of her teeth. Not even a single cap.

>>76389788
Doctor to grandma : Maam we have gotten your blood results back and they're generally fine for your age, you do have some elevated LDL cholesterol and maybe you should limit your saturated fat intake but other than that you're good

Grandma to family : Oh my lovely grandson everything is fine! I was just at the doctor and he said my bloodwork is great for my age!

>no one eats 100 grams of cheese
ok lets assume this is real (its not)
no one says you can't mix cheese with other stuff you know? 20 grams of parmesan with something else, a slice of swiss cheese on chicken, diced mozzarella in a salad
you guys always go all or nothing with everything jesus

>>76389593
>>76389757
Oh wow, grifting eurocuck is only over stating it's protein content by ~250%

>>76389770
That lost is completely wrong
Parmesean is only 28g protein per 100g, and since that is so fucking wrong I assume the rest are also wrong.

>>76389807
No one says you can't indulge in a little cheese here and there
The problem is when ketards get defensive about people rightfully calling out that cheese is NOT a healthfood

>>76389808
>100g cottage cheese
>400mg sodium
That's really why cheese is a killer.

>>76389815
>Parmesean is only 28g protein per 100g
pic related, the exact same brand im eating rn
i don't even think cheese is healthy, just wanted to say you are wrong

>>76389818
>>The problem is when ketards get defensive about people rightfully calling out that cheese is NOT a healthfood
no one has ever said it's a health food though
at the beginning of the thread someone said it's not a healthfood and the never explained why
ketotards never even entered this thread

>>76389837
The OP asked if its a healthfood
People said its not
>never explained why
Oh you're just ignoring this entire thread
you are the ketotard

>>76386580 (OP)
Alright here's the very simple breakdown:
- Aged cheeses such as cheddar, parmesan or roquefort have high sodium and slightly higher cholesterol, which are not good for you if you consume them in excess. Their protein content is also slightly lower. They're fucking delicious though.
- Non-aged cheeses such as mozarella or swiss cheese are far better to eat.

>>76386580 (OP)
Take milk, then distill it down to a gongelaed slop of saturated fats, cholesterol, then add an insane amount of salt to it.
It's like heart attack speedrunning.

>>76389864
Sodium shouldn't be a problem if you eat non-aged cheeses such as mozarella or swiss cheese. See the post above yours. Moron.

>>76389853
>people
It's you (singular) (Moxyte).

>>76389871
>mozerella is better
>over 700mg sodium
Lmao

everyone that eats cheese would be better off eating tofu

>>76389114
>>76389162
>Some saturated fats are bad for yo
Show me proof

Why is modern /fit/ so against cheese? There are some anons in here straight up treating it like it's the devil's food

>>76389986
Most people are here to lose weight and look good
Cheese is just counterproductive, yeah you can integrate it in your calorie allowance and macros but you can do the same with other crappy food

There is just nothing GOOD about cheese other than its taste

>>76388401
Thinly veiled vegan post. Troll better

Cheese is dairy, one of the most essential foods that you want to eat if you want to be healthy (meat, fish, eggs, dairy, fruit).

>>76389998
So it's just you all thread long huh? Post skin color

>>76389976
I font understand, like cheese the majority of its calories come from fat so why is one better than the other?

>>76390021
tofu doesn't have saturated fats

>>76389986
Because modern fit wants lots of muscle and not much fat, and fit understands processed slop with 20-35% fat content isn't how you achieve those goals.

>>76390060
by /fit/ you mean "only me" since you have been the only one saying that all thread long
seriously dude you might as well use a tripcode

>>76390003
Why eat cheese when you can eat meat, fatso?

>>76390008
>brown "people" think dairy is anything but cancer and heart attack causing slop

>>76390076
>schizo has a meltdown
Many such cases

>>76390095
Prove me wrong

>>76390036
there's no real scientific consensus on saturated fats as far as I'm aware . A lot of the stuff demonizing it has been re-evaluated and found to be flawed , not surprising since it came from the same crowd that pushed the food pyramid lie.

>>76390139
Educate yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFe1QattAU

>>76390090
>dairy use is most prevalent in Europe
>most brown people are lactose intolerant
stop pretending to be white
>>76390008
nuts and seeds too anon

>>76390165
>schizo on a crusade against cheese posts health gurus
oh lmao
again, please use a tripcode dude

>>76390165
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36477384/

>>76390170
Cite your source negroid.
Dairy is far more rpevelant in middle east/india/Africa than europe, BUT, Europe is about 60% brown now.

>>76390211
>BUT, Europe is about 60% brown now.
aye this is true

>>76390211
>where is le source, sir?

>>76390191
Calm down schizo and stop projecting

>>76386580 (OP)
>what's the deal with cheese
>it's not chi
>and it doesn't come out of my ass with ease
>jerryseinfield.png

>>76390191
No one is on a crusade against cheese, we are just saying it's not an essential food and will make you gain more fat than other foods, but in the end it's your choice if you want to follow the way of the bloat or not.

>>76390629
First off, that's not even remotely what the video was saying. Second of all, 4chan is not a collective. Stop using "we". This board is a bunch of people sitting in gaming chairs at their desk angrily posting about how spinach is toxic and smelling women's farts.

>>76390643
The anon who posted whatever video (which i hven't watched) isn't me, so there's at least two of us, that's why i said 'we'.

>>76390659
Re-read my post. I didn't say it was you.

>>76389749
Sorry, had a brain fart. 82kcal and 14-18g of protein per 100g. I just typed what a single 200g serving I buy has total. Still good calories to protein ratio.

>>76389808
Thats really shitty cottage cheese. I'm sorry if you dont have better nordic options available.

>>76390927
>goy slop sold in Scandinavia but the cucked serfs will call it good

>>76388068
nta but its the saturated fat and calorie density, that is all.
its like nuts, completely fine if u can limit urself but thats hard for many.

>>76386595
It is for sure just because it has 0 carbs and full protein + fat. Note: There may be infinite amount of foods they are allowed to call "cheese" especially in murica which might not even be cheese so they don't count here.

Typical cheese sold in here has around 30g cheese and 22-24g protein per 100g. There's also cheese which is 17g fat but dunno why anyone would buy it or who buys it. There are times when the normal cheese is sold out and the 17g (17%) cheese is untouched.

>>76389998
>Most people are here to lose weight and look good
Yeah I forgot this place has been taken over by people who don't even lift but are just trying to be non obese
Actual lifters do not worry about shit like this unless they are competitive bodybuilders preparing for shows
'not being fat' is the lowest possible bar of fitness

>>76389826
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>>76389871
Dont you people drink water?

cheesed to meet you!

>>76386580 (OP)
if you're white it's the healthiest food in the world.
if you're non white it's still healthy, but your genes are too weak to utilize it.

is "all" of /fit/ goal to be lean? thats it?
also if you're active, the fat you eat isn't the fat you wear just because they are bot called fat

indian posters should be banned desu
their crusade against dairy is fucking cringe

>>76386868
>The x industry tried and still tries very hard to advertise it as health food thats why
replace x with almost any other agricultural industry
why do people only single out the dairy industry for this? because they watched a video essay?

the biggest risk from cheeses and dairy is the excess Calcium which in extracellular suspension is oxidative .. don't overdo it

>>76393162
It isn't because you don't see an overwhelming amount of people who are afflicted with calcium overdose from cheese.

>>76393175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwi9iZvudXA
nobody who browses 4chin sees many people

>>76393182
Your video is entirely irrelevant because it is about supplemental calcium, not calcium from whole food sources, specifically cheese. Supplements are isolated compounds, while foods contain complex interwoven cofactor matrices that affect the absorption of other materials. Next time, don't just Google calcium overdose and pick the first PubMed or YouTube video that pops up, Actually have legitimate studies and evidence behind something that you're going to say or don't say it.

>>76393193
you are incorrect.. the talk in that video includes reference to dietary calcium.. but I want you specifically to up your dairy intake to unhealthy levels to prove him wrong.

>>76393201
If you notice, you haven't actually addressed my claim that you don't see an overwhelming amount of people afflicted with dietary induced calcium overload, specifically from cheese. YouTube is not a reputable source of information. You've provided no studies, and you've provided no information to back up your claim. Much less percentages that display an overwhelming amounts of people consuming cheese, resulting in health afflictions due to the calcium content. Until you provide evidence refuting my claim and displaying your claim in a clear, concise, demonstrable and reliable picture, this conversation is over.

>>76393214
>I watched a 1:45 min video in five minutes.

>>76393214
>Until you provide evidence refuting my claim and displaying your claim in a clear, concise, demonstrable and reliable picture, this conversation is over.

>>76393226
>Refutation by obfuscation.
Sad

>>76393239
you are a low IQ gay homosexual