>each glass of alcoholic beverages are about a cheese pizza slice worth of kcal making you easily over consume
>makes you feel like shit the next morning even when consumed moderately making your perfomance shittier assuming you can haul yourself to the gym in the first place
>gives you an illness literally called FATTY liver disease
>decreases test and increases estrogen giving you gyno
How did people get memed into thinking this literal poison is manly and makes you tough? Maybe the manually fermented stuff the people before us made is healthier but taking pills and snorting coke is less of a gains goblin than this current shit people consume.

Oh wow, what an original thread

When I was a dyel non-lifter I was an alckie. The sides are awful but the fun drinking cancels them out.
But now that I've had enough of being a spooky skelly I barely touch it anymore. It kills sleep, kills cuts and disrupts muscle protein synthesis on a bulk.

>>76389774 (OP)
Yes.
t. Alcoholic
>>76389859
Make a better one then, bitch.

>>76389774 (OP)
You're not supposed to drink every day.

>>76389774 (OP)
It's brilliant, in moderation.

Take your earlier comparison to pizza. You're not supposed to eat pizza daily either, but if you NEVER ate pizza you would be considered a joyless misanthrope. Moderation, fuckers. Why is this such a difficult concept for some "people"?

Technology is the ultimate gains goblin

>>76389940
>but if you NEVER ate pizza you would be considered a joyless misanthrope
by whom? fat fucks like you?

>>76389940
I eat pizza every day, but I CICO, so my cut is fine.

Drinking daily is gay, but binge drinking 30 beers with a bag of coke on the weekends is based

>>76389774 (OP)
>manually fermented
What the fuck?

>>76389950
the irony of your post
you literally proved him right kek

>>76389774 (OP)
Yes, it is literally the worst. If you are seriously trying to get in shape cutting alcohol out of your life as much as possible is a must. I have been struggling with my fitness for years because I have refused to modulate my drinking habits until recently and now I'm finally seriously making gains.

>>76389859
It's an extremely relevant topic that affects many /fit/izens, its worth discussion. Shalom!!

All I consume is a six pack of beer a day, 2 packs of ramen noodles and 2 beef sticks
I'm at peak physical health
Change your lifestyle not your addictions

I used to have little but noticeable gyno, two months after I stopped drinking (I started at 17 now I'm 33) it dissapeared, never will I drink again.

>>76389940
Based.

>go out for a couple pints
>go to the gym and lift more than usual because my mind disinhibited
not even trolling, this happens

>>76389774 (OP)
>>>decreases test and increases estrogen giving you gyno
this is only for beer (made with hops), right?
I swear most of the red wine aunts I see look like they've had a cycle of roids from their faces

>>76389774 (OP)

Alcohol is the liquid Jew. Avoid it

>>76389774 (OP)
All of society was built by high functioning alcoholics
The strongest and most powerful men in history were high functioning alcoholics
If you can’t handle a pint with the lads every now and then, then that says a lot about your genes

>>76389774 (OP)
You are exactly right. People are insane to consume this regularly but if you smoke weed once you’re a lazy good for nothing

>>76391485
And you make no gains because liquor destroys your recovery. Hamster

>>76389774 (OP)
Yes.
When you break it down, it's objectively not worth consuming when practically every other recreational drug has more positive effects, less negative effects, no calories, and does less damage to your body and brain.
Drinking alcohol is literally on the same level as huffing random shit in your garage, but at least huffing doesn't make you fat.

>>76389774 (OP)
The studies were obviously done on homos

>>76391742
Yeah, humans evolved to huff paint...

>>76389774 (OP)
I legit didnt start making good gains at least hypertrophy wise(lifts are better faster now), until i started smoking weed and drinking again. If you arent an alcoholic and maybe enjoy a buzz god forbid every few days or even every day you can basically negate the negative effects by drinking before lifting instead of your foolish arbitrary habit of waiting the whole week to get actually drunk. Im not gonna wake up on a weekend and wait until i dress myself trying to fuck and eat less while drinking(destroys your health). Life isnt a bicep curl.

>>76391774
I don't know what point you're trying to make? Humans evolved to consume alcohol? Not really. Humans have evolved to survive incidental consumption of small amounts of ethanol, just like any other toxin that your body is capable of processing out before it kills you, which most forms of alcohol are actually so toxic they /do/ cause severe harm or death before they can be eliminated from the body. I can't think of any other recreational drug that directly damages your body. Maybe ketamine or stimulants if you take obscene doses very frequently for a very long time.

>>76389774 (OP)
>lost my job on monday
>have been drinking daily since
Well, it least I still went go the gym

>>76390056
I mean, the irony is that people seem to ALWAYS seethe whenever someone says they're straight-edge, or don't eat takeaways and shitty foods.
There's always a handful of people that say some shit like "god your life must be so boring", "are you even living?" "Do you even have fun", like their life would be completely empty and meaningless if they couldn't drink alcohol every once in a while or eat a pizza once a week
When you don't partake in those things, you literally do not think or care about them, they don't even come into the equation of "fun" when thinking about fun things

>>76389774 (OP)
Coors light needs you to shut that bullshit up.
I'll have 6 on a Friday and won't gain 4 pounds because I don't eat slop after. Beer is low cal, low carb and ok every now and then

>>76392640
>I mean,
stopped reading there

>>76392695
the irony is that people seem to ALWAYS seethe whenever someone says they're straight-edge, or don't eat takeaways and shitty foods.
There's always a handful of people that say some shit like "god your life must be so boring", "are you even living?" "Do you even have fun", like their life would be completely empty and meaningless if they couldn't drink alcohol every once in a while or eat a pizza once a week
When you don't partake in those things, you literally do not think or care about them, they don't even come into the equation of "fun" when thinking about fun things

>>76392706
pizza and slop food does not poison you THOUGH i dont get why you're putting those two in the same league

>>76389774 (OP)
A shot of vodka is 90 calories. A slice of cheese pizza is around 300.
Stop being a disingenuous idiot

>>76392706
>When you don't partake in those things, you literally do not think or care about them,
Then why is op so angry and obsessed? You know what I do about things I dont think or care about? Make threads about them, cuz they're notnin the forefront of my thoughts making me seethe all day long

>>76392787
>Then why is op so angry and obsessed?
Because OP is a fag

>>76389774 (OP)
Alchoids are subhuman and should be mass processed into animal feed

alcohol makes you feel like shit as soon as you sober up, how the fuck do people get addicted to it? Like it's fun occasionally but the older I get the less I crave getting wasted because the day after always sucks

>>76392966
like every other addiction, when using outweighs the negative effects.
Also, you can get over a hangover instantly by drinking more. So.

>>76389774 (OP)
yes it is. been hitting the gym for years semi-consistently and made the best gains in my life, in a very short period of time when I 100% quit alcohol. and that is 100%, not "once in a while/week", like never ever. The body starts responding differently to training, that's just the wa it is.
I miss it a lot tbf, but I also quickly remember just how low a bad hangover can make you feel and the cravings go away quickly.
For context, I was downing two bottles of wine a night or more, for years. I did have gains in the gym, but they were very slow and there was a bloat that just didn't go away by not eating

>>76389774 (OP)
I don't care. I like lifting weights and I like drinking alcohol. I've never missed a workout due to alcohol.

>>76389982
This guy fvcks

>>76389774 (OP)
Drinking booze by itself? Lame. Drinking booze because the shit you eat is hardcore and you need alcohol to help digest it? Puts hair on your chest. Ask me how I know you don't eat horseradish so hot it could burn the sun.

>>76389774 (OP)
>fun for maybe an hour
>feel like shit with mental problems for 3 days minimum
>takes 1 months to get back to peak athletic performance
>beer belly that DOES NOT GO THE FUCK AWAY NO MATTER WHAT. JESUS FUCK YOU COULD STARVE YOURSELF FOR A MONTH AND THAT FUCKER WOULD STILL BE THERE. AAAAAAAAAA I'M GETING LIPOSUCTION OR EATING A TAPEWORM HOLY FUCKING SHIT

>>76389940
You’re on 4chan, doing things in moderation doesn’t exist

>>76389774 (OP)
Yes. Alcohol is literal poison. I never drink because I hate the taste, but even if I was brainwashed to love it, I wouldn't partake simply because of how toxic it is.

Light to moderate social drinking is probably worth it; if you have a good laugh, relieve some stress and make some new friends, that can totally make up for the quantifiable harm. Anything beyond that is hard to justify though. I was a solo binge drinker throughout my 20s and it caused nothing but trouble. Very cool how good the body can be at repairing itself if you let it, though- I never got fat or scarred my liver, so now that I'm sober and health-conscious I look way better than most of the other thirtysomethings around here.

>>76389940
>Why is this such a difficult concept for some "people"?
Some of us are prone to addiction, anon. And you never know whether you're one of those or not until you've been through it. If you can handle it just fine, though, that's great.

>>76392640
It’s because all their dopamine is wired to food.