Thread 76410921

Any other /fit/izens playing around with any unusual supplements? I’ve narrowed my core tried and true supplements that I run year round down to a very simple regimen for general health purposes

>10,000iu vitamin D/200mcg k2
>50mg zinc/2mg copper (not pictured
>1200mg NAC
>3600mg fish oil
>600mg CoQ10

After a ton of research, last week I added a ton of shit to try to maximize my cognitive abilities in preparation for starting calculus and organic chemistry this fall. I never graduated high-school, so I knew literally nothing about math and had to take a semester of remedial retard math before moving on to pre-calculus algebra and then trig (aced them all). Getting a good grasp on calculus is a necessity, as I need to take calc 1/2 plus differential equations AND calc based physics 1/2. The other issues I have that psychiatrists haven’t been able to help with are insomnia and a crippling general anxiety disorder, so I’ve decided to try to fix my brain on my own.

>1mg 2x/week CJC-1295 with DAC
>333mcg 2x/day ipamorelin
>333mcg DSIP at bedtime
>5mg Epitalon at bedtime (for ten days)
>3mg selank/day
>1mg semax/day
>500mg NMN 2x/day
>500mg alpha GPC 2x/day
>1000mg citicoline 2x/day
>1000mg aniracetam in AM
>250mg DMAE

So far there has been noticeable improvements in verbal fluency and longterm memory recall as well as massively increased short term memory. I work as a server at a high end restaurant so I have to talk with guests for hours on end and I need to remember a million little things for wine and multitasking, and my sleep has gone from taking hours to fall asleep and then waking 4-5x during the night to passing out in 15-20 minutes and sleeping 6-8 hours without waking (dreams are also absolutely wild). So far so good bros, would recommend.

>>76410921 (OP)
I like tadalafil

>>76410921 (OP)
>50mg zinc
Wait bro don't do this you'll fuck yourself up. I don't even know why they're allowed to sell this dosage prepacked and over the counter.

>>76410921 (OP)
I just eat normal food

>>76410921 (OP)
>taking zinc toxicity levels of zinc daily
>for your health
I got the zinc shakes from zinc fumes once, tried a zinc supp a year later and got the same thing, no idea why anyone would do this shit

>>76410921 (OP)
Don't take zinc, don't take the other retarded *citam or *line nonsense, especially don't bother with GH secretagogues

>>76410923
>>76410932
hypothetically if you wasted money buying 50mg zinc supplement but cut it in quarters for 12.5mg zinc tablets could you take those safely so your money wasn't wasted?

>>76410923
>>76410932
You do realize that it isn’t pure zinc, right? The molecule is massive, and the other atoms in the compound account for most of its mass..
>>76410935
Nah

>>76410926
this nigga is JERFing off, y'all

>>76410938
typically the amount of zinc listed on the label is approximately the amount of zinc. 50mg is far too little to be anything else. if you see something like "1,000mg zinc" then yeah that's poor labeling and includes the molecule the zinc is bound to. 50mg zinc daily is probably too much.

>>76410991
meant for
>>76410964

>>76410991
>>76410996
Is 12.5mg okay? Actually, is 25mg okay? Cutting into 1/4th is a pain but I'll do it if I have to.

>>76410964
the zinc is the effective dose of zinc, not total mass of the molecule. This is trivial to prove with a selective solvent and some time. 50mg is the upper threshold for toxicity symptoms, most people see those below that level.

>>76410999
25 is fine if your diet is dogshit,
12.5 is good if you eat whole foods
50 is fine if you're boozing yourself to death eating box dinner 3 meals a day

>>76411004
Thank you

>>76411000
Thanks bro, I’ll adjust the zinc

>>76410921 (OP)
>unusual supplements
Can we at least get something rarer than 7,8-DH, DIM, or HMB? These threads always be like...
>"durr creatine r so advance i r genus!"

Here some real next-level shit:
>Anti-aging Effects of Ethylhexanamide Serinol Through the Enhancement of Autophagy
>https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO202519961204572.page

>>76410991
I've eaten more zinc with good copper skills.

>>76411022
taking more copper does nothing for zinc toxicity. if you're taking them together you could be preventing the absorption of one or the other

>>76411026
Bigly zinc toxicity sure, but mild zinc overload you're basically just looking at copper deficiency from increased copper excretion in terms of problems.

>>76411030
Are you also taking multi? 50mg zinc could actually be 60mg or 65mg with multi.

>>76411032
Not that guy, but anybody who is even minimally informed about supplements immediately ditches the multivitamin for proper doses of things that are actually useful

>>76411038
i disagree a multi is one of the easiest safest things you can take

>>76411038
Are they that bad?

>>76411060
>>76411062
Most multivitamins have so many compounds they try to fit into a reasonably sized serving that most are pathetically under dosed, and most of it is redundant if you eat a decent diet.

It makes more sense to supplement the things that are difficult to get enough of or simply don’t exist in food.

I gave a shot at some unusual supplements recently.

Mucuna: no effect.

NAC: no effect.

Honestly the unusual stuff does not work really well.

The supplement that changed my life the most was B-12 injections. Literally life changing just a few hours after you take it.

>>76411082
>b12 injections
>finasteride
>tadalafil
>vitamin D
>maybe a multivitamin if I have been eating like shit
This is my daily stack and I'm quite healthy
It is amazing the amount of men that would be happier if they were taking fin + tad every day. Stop sweating about your hairline and/or about your cock, just take these harmless pills and you'll always be diamond hard and with a full head of hair, it's that simple

>>76411085
>harmless pills
inb4 dick quits from fin.
>he isn't doing three dozen topical research chemicals and plant extracts instead

>>76411104
>dick quits from fin
This is what the tadalafil is for. My baseline was 80%, fin took it down to 50%, tadalafil made it 100% and it's been at that for 5 years now. Tadalafil never stops working.

>>76411076
the dose is usually around 100% dv so worst case scenario u wont become deficient in anything
if you are religious about diet and bloodwork then yeah, dont take a multi

>>76411108
>multi reduces biological aging
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/cir.151.suppl_1.008
>multi reduces cancer risk
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1380451
these were fairly massive trials with positive outcomes.

>>76410922
>>76411105
I started taking tadalafil. I can get harder when getting hard happens, but I still can't get hard when I want to.

>>76411129
How much are you taking, how often, how long before sex? I take 10mg once per week and 5mg 6 days per week at morning, it never failed me. You have to take it way before you actually need it and maintain it in your body.

>>76411082
Both Mucuna and NAC have strong effects for me

>>76410921 (OP)
>hello fellow nootropic/peptide enjoyer.

I haven’t tried Selank yet, how does it differ from semax? It’s more for anxiety right?

>>76411132
5mg daily

>>76411189
Maybe you just need to load by taking more than 5mg at least once. I'd try 20mg at once (don't take this every day or more often than once every 3 days) and see if it works any better.

>>76411198
Thanks. I notice I'm harder than natural when jerking off to anime but when I'm around real women I still can't get hard with willpower. It's a real problem. They'll think I'm weird.

>>76410921 (OP)
My stack is
>10,000iu vitamin D/200mcg k2
>1 serving of grass fed beef liver pills
Honestly don't know if the vit D is doing anything but the beef liver has my nails and hair growing fast as hell. Also helped reduced my eye strain on computer as its full of retinol vitamin A

>>76411263
Also beef liver pills are basically a natural multivitamin that's high in everything compared to a normal multivitamin

>>76411269
no beef liver is too high in some things and well below daily value in others. great nutrition but not a true replacement

>>76410921 (OP)
https://youtu.be/9wT_rtIldmE?si=ruxm8OZDmWjLZ-gS

Been taking zinc occasionally. Certain days 25mg, other days i cut the pill in half and take 12.5mg, but i don't take it every day. more like 2-3x weekly. I don't have to supplement copper, right?

>>76411527
>I don't have to supplement copper, right?
If you get at least a milligram or two a day on average from diet/water, no. Otherwise, yeah unless you want to start greying like Bryan Johnson.

>>76411533
I do take foods that probably have copper in them, but i doubt i get enough every day. I eat whole grain bread every day, but liver, fish, nuts are more a once every couple of weeks thing. Do i reduce risk of deficiency the less frequent i take zinc? i only started using zinc because i thought it would be beneficial for gym, not because of a perceived deficiency.

>>76411555
If you're not getting much dietary copper, adding in a few 2mg copper pills erry week ain't a bad idea. No need to go much higher unless you're on a lot more zinc, like 60mg+.

Ok, say I just want white pearly coom. What supps should I take?

i take 200 mg magnesium citrate at evening and 375 mg magnesium oxide at morning for my shitting problems

Current stack: D3+K2, Omega-3
I always take them right after my 4-egg breakfast. Does this negatively interfere with any micros?

>>76410921 (OP)
>whatsurstackbrah
faggots the lot of ye

>>76411179
Absolutely based stack here

>>76411060
Easy and safe is not the safe and useful or effective

>>76411108
The problem is the form of the vitamins that are included in multivitamins have virtually no bioavailability.

>>76411929
My multivitamin lists the actual forms used and everything is tip top

Added new stuff.
copper 2mg - for my skin and grey hair, seems to be graying faster after like 2 months of 50mg zinc daily. Zinc/copper balance even if I do eat red meat and (rarely) chicken liver.
cdp-choline - some say its good for your brain, though I felt more energetic and less sleepy midday on it.
melatonin 5mg - seems helping when taken earlier (9pm) , took them at 12am before and made me groggy in the morning.

>>76411694
>that first sip of the day

>>76410921 (OP)
What about MK677 ? Anyone got experience of using this growth hormone stimulant?

>>76412085
Also known as Ibutamoren

>>76412085
>>76412088
I didn’t like it. It didn’t work as advertised for me, but then again this was a while ago and I didn’t make sure the place I got it had 3rd party testing posted on their site. Both of the vendors I used in the OP have their results from independent mass spectrometry analyses posted on their sites also it’s all legit.
>>76411179
Yeah, selank allegedly has shown to be effective as an anxiolytic. I didn’t feel like dihexa did anything, but it looks like we have the same idea here.

>>76410921 (OP)
Taking anything other than omega 3s from algae, creatine, vit D, and b12 is retarded. sorry.

>>76410921 (OP)
I had to stop taking NAC I think it was making me more depressed than usual, I started it and didnt want to work out for like a week

>>76412124
>It didn’t work as advertised for me
Thanks for answering.
Did you have crazy hunger pain (are you sure it was real) also did you work out while taking it?
I have found suppliers on ChatGPT and am just getting info before I press buy.

>>76411977
Sure thing

>>76411977
>My multivitamin lists the actual forms used
This is the case for literally all vitamins.
>everything is tip top
Weird how you didn't post it then.

>>76410921 (OP)
Protein
Creatine
Multivitamin
Ashwaghanda ksm 66
Tongak ali
cordycep sinese cs4

>>76410921 (OP)
>taking zinc AND copper
>taking CoQ10
>all the other gay shit in the second part of the text
LOL
LOL

>>76412223
I'll help you out. NAC chelates both zinc and copper, and you need to supplement both of them if you're taking it.

>>76412230
So you're taking a bunch of supplements that outcompete each other for absorption and you top it off with another supplement to further reduce boths absorption?
Sar, have you thought about just not taking any of them?

>>76412235
I'm not that guy. I'm just telling you that some supplements require co-factors.

>>76412235
I'm not that guy. I'm just telling you that some supplements require co-factors.
>you're taking a bunch of supplements that outcompete each other for absorption and you top it off with another supplement to further reduce boths absorption?
That's not what I said at all.

>>76412243
Sorry lil bro but chomping down on heavy metal contaminated expensive piss enhancers is hilarious. If you don't do 7 hours of cardio a week and eat 100 g + of fibre a day, you are not even CLOSE to maximising yourself.

>>76412271
I already said, I'm not that guy, I'm just giving you information. But whatever ends this cringe conversation.

>>76410921 (OP)
>algebra
are you a nigger or something? why do you need supplements to pass easy math, just grind exercises until you do them easly

Anybody here take magnesium glycinate? What brands would you recommend?

>>76412339
Yeah I take it. 400mg a day. Highly recommend either Carlyle if you want capsules or NOW if you want tablets. Both are great and work well.

Here are the two exact supplements I have used.

I accidentally got niacin instead of niacinamide when I ordered a batch of refills.
Mainly used it for my skin.

Tried it and I think I need to take much more to get a flush. Even 1000mg didn't do anything.

Got 1500mg pilla of l-arginine though and that I felt, restless for hours, great for the gym.

>>76412378
Hell yeah, thanks anon

Thoughts on TMG+Creatine supplementation during fat loss (28%bf fatass, light activity, no lifting)?

Thoughts on Collagen/Hyaluronic acid/CoQ10 supplementation for trying to prevent loose skin after (significant) weight loss?

>>76412406
God bless good luck anon hope it helps.

>>76412408
If you're not doing heavy activity or lifting, there's no reason for creatine or TMG.
As for the collagen, hyaluronic acid and coq10, that sounds like a good idea. I would start it during your weight loss phase.

>>76410923
Just take one every other day.

I used to try every possible supplement to fix my health or give myself an edge. I spent years obsessing over this shit, accumulating a small pharmacy worth of supplements. Despite trying so many, virtually none had any measurable benefits. I recently spent some time clearing out my supplements and putting them into bags because I was running out of good storage space. Of all the supplements I packed away, these were the ones I left out:

every day:
a good all in one multivitamin
calcium + magnesium + d3 + k2 in a single supplement (some of these need to be in correct ratios with respect to each other)
potassium citrate (i use it to supplement my diet)
melatonin 6 hour timed release (helps me sleep)
fish oil enteric coated
iron (i dont get enough from my diet)

then here's my "as-needed" list:
NAC (if you're feeling over-stimulated or cant sleep it can help)
ashwaghanda (if you're feeling anxious or stressed)
ginger extract (treats nausea as well as prescription drugs)
creatine (if you sleep terribly it minimizes the effects)
rhodiola extract (can give you more energy and vigor)

A lot of supplements are dietary abstractions, but can't possibly have the same benefits as targeting health through dietary means. The amount of money I spent on supplements would have been better served on improving my nutrition. But I always thought my health problems were somehow more complex than that.

Never been a psycho biohacker type but over the last year or two my daily supplement stack has grown.
>Creatine
>Multivitamin
>Glucosamine for joints
>Fish oil
>Fiber
>Calcium/Zinc for alleged t boost
Everything just Kirkland brand besides the creatine. Also haven't had my blood work done in years because no health insurance. Want to know about PEDs now tho

>>76411980
keep taking the melatonin early, but you can take 0.3mg or so. Less really is more with that shit.

>>76412417
Not true, creatine is being shown to have cognitive benefits

>>76412518
Read the context of his post.

>>76412444
the best way to improve your healt is to stop weighing 300lbs

>>76412336
If you read the post again, my ESL friend, you’d realize that I was giving some context to why I’m doing this experiment with the peptides.

I’m starting calculus, you bloody benchod. I need to really learn and become proficient at calculus or else the rest of my college plans are fucked.

My gay anxiety mental process that’s running 24/7 eats up a ton of my CPU’s usage while awake so I need to figure that out to make life easier. It’s a background process that is co aiming 30-60% of my CPU output at any given moment.

I just also started getting into supplements.
Mostly focusing on muscle recovery without doing anything crazy.

Psyllium Husk + ground chia seeds in protein shake for fiber, prebiotics, and micronutrients
A multivitamin
Creatine
Magnesium Glycate
Glycine
MCT oil at lunch
Tart Cherry Extract at lunch

Minor effects, minor costs, no issues. Just like I like it.

What do you guys recommend for nitric oxide? I've heard that both L-arginine/citrulline and beetroot powders are good for NO production but apparently they use different pathways and one may be more effective than the other? I've also heard that beetroot powders may contain heavy metals, so I'm not sure what to take.

Basically I'm looking for a vasodilator and these seem to be the most common options.

Shilajit
Moringa
Magnesium
Selenium
olive tree leaf extract
Boswellia

Green and black tea, sweet wormwood, nettles and dandelion.

>>76412854
What do the first two do?

>>76411085
>claims to eat healthy
>Has dick issues and hairloss
IDK that feel bro, my dick works great and I have great hair
I take a kirkland multi
Ashwaganda
Creatine
Magnesium Spray
Protein

>>76412936
Where did I claim to eat healthy, you illiterate retard?

>>76412960
>>maybe a multivitamin if I have been eating like shit
It it called an implied inference you bald limp dick idiot

>>76413016
>I got into a car accident. Therefore, this implies that I'm a great driver.

>>76410991
I'm prettybsure it says of elemental zinc on the label. All elements are always shown as elemental, ignorin a total mass

>>76411026
Not really. Our body uses the same enzime to get rid of both of them if any is in excess. Thus when you reach toxic levels of zinc, your nody get's rid of copper as well.

>>76412230
>NAC chelates both zinc and copper
>>76412271
>Sorry lil bro but chomping down on heavy metal contaminated expensive piss enhancers is hilarious
NAC actually chelates all kinds of shit even including chromium and boron. Anyone taking high-ish doses kinda long-term needs to be replacing all their essential heavy metals/metalloids.

>>76413180
Not sure why you quoted me, but okay.

>>76413180
Good to know. How’s this?

NAC is literally the only thing that is helpful for cocaine use disorder. I don’t want to smoke crack anymore and I want to make sure that I don’t; so far it’s been effective.

>>76410921 (OP)
hey retard
if you have focus issues try making lifestyle changes first instead of supplements that have barely been researched

such as
>eliminating distractions
>studying at night
>optimizing sleep
>getting exercise


also, retard
you try one thing at a time to see how its affecting you
not throw a shit ton of random chemicals in your body just to see what happens

>>76413405
Hey retard.. you should learn how to read before posting. I don’t have focus issues. I have anxiety and sleep issues. I have had these issues for my entire life, even as a child. I thought I was a lazy faggot which was super demoralizing, but it turns out that’s just an anxiety issue.
>have thing to do
>thing makes me anxious
>put off thing for temporary relief
>procrastination makes thing worse, putting off a small issue until it’s a problem
>repeat ad infinitum
I’ve been on every prescription sleep medication. Your normie tier sleep advice is fucking useless; it takes me 3-4 hours to fall asleep without a sleep aid and then I wake 3-6 times throughout the night.

I lift weights 5 days a week and do HIIT on the stationary bike for 20-30 minutes 3x a week.

You’re a faggot and a moron. I’m tired of psychiatrists and doctors and people like you who are completely useless so I’m trying to solve this issue on my own.

>>76413421
How the fuck do you know what's actually working though

>>76413446
The peptides I’ve chosen have synergistic effects. The sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts; I’ve used these individually aside from DSIP prior to this which is why I decided to go with a blitzkrieg style attack

>>76413421
lmao nigga got genes so bad that modern science can't fix his sleep issues

it's the easiest thing you can do nigga and you failed

>>76413523
I’m handsome, jacked, and I have a high IQ and good work ethic. God had to level the playing field a little bit :)

>>76413421
have you considered that you have ADHD and shit sleep
just take stims and melatonin

>>76413552
Yes, I am diagnosed with ADHD. It’s that, major depressive disorder, and general anxiety disorder. The suicide and depression has been managed.

I’m not taking stims because I had a coke problem and I am impulsive. Melatonin doesn’t do anything, but if I take stims I’ll just jerk off and keep re-dosing. It’s not an option.

For me, my substance abuse was a direct result of my various neuroses. The mess in my head is slowly being untangled, so solving these issues is crucial to my longterm sobriety and ability to fulfill my desire to become a good father and respectable member of society.

>>76412894
Nature's multivitamin.

>>76413580
just microdose modafinil or nicotine dude this is like a solved problem
if you really really think you'll still be addicted then take NAC with it

>>76413580
nonstimulant medication such as bupropion has similar outcomes to stimulant meds

also there's provigil

in truth your neuroses likely play some role but you're also hyper-responsive to addictive behaviors because your nucleus accumbens has too much power relative to your frontal lobes and ironically stims are one of the best ways to help with this. generally therapeutic doses are not habit forming and don't require redosing unlike cocaine

>>76413549
high conscientious with adhd is a wild flex. good shit my nigga

>>76413587
Literally what

>>76413600
Interesting. Honestly, the ADHD is the least of my problems. With talk therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy, I’ve been able to learn how to harness the ADHD and utilize it to my benefit. I worked for over a decade in high end restaurants and held various titled chef positions around the country. The fact that I was able to get really good at that kind of work was in part thanks to the ADHD because I am naturally able to do 6-10 things at once and keep track of them all; I’m very good at “sticking and moving” because my mind can quickly move from thing to thing.

In hindsight, the 12-14 hour days for years on end were just a form of escapism to avoid dealing with my problems and outside of work I was a total disaster and eventually burning the candle at both ends catches up to you.

Can you elaborate about the brain anatomy/functions please?

>>76411929
most of the studies done on vitamins and minerals are on the cheapest least bioavailable form so that doesn't really matter overall

>>76412854
>>76413587
>>76413625
Shilajit is full of the nasty heavy metals like cadmium and mercury, Saars. Better into the autism pills for the chelations.

>>76411923
yeah you're wrong. the massive trials done are using cheap/safe/easy like centrum. maxing efficacy often has a paradoxical effect.

>>76413697
I'm actually not wrong. Easy and safe are literally not the same things as useful or effective.

>>76413704
yes you are wrong the "easy and safe" part is both "useful and effective" as confirmed by huge clinical trials which i already posted.

>>76412651
>ground chia seeds
Why ground?

>>76413711
Google what the word literally means.

>>76413711
Please show me where you posted the clinical trials.

>>76413657
psychotherapy has as big of an effect size as medication so that's really good. generally true task switching is difficult for people with adhd but there is individual variation. i actually reckon that you had natural aptitude and thus intrinsic drive for kitchen work and so you hit a flow state wherein the various inputs are all part of the same task, so to speak.

work is good if you enjoy it but yeah it's also good to take care of yourself and take stock of where you are

essentially the nucleus accumbens is really responsive to dopaminergic behaviors and substances whereas the frontal lobes can inhibit immediate gratification in pursuit of long-term goals. your nucleus accumbens tells you, e.g., "fuck yes, i want that burger and let me get the fries and a shake too," whereas the frontal lobes say, "this is not particularly healthy and you need to keep an eye on your fitness."

in adhd your limbic system (emotional system) has an outsized influence on task persistence and completion. this is why it's so much easier to put in effort on things that you are intrinsically interested in. it's also why fear of consequences such as letting people down or going broke or failing out of school or any number of other things are such powerful motivators: they tap into the limbic system. this is why the typical pattern in adhd is waiting until the last minute; it's when your ability to execute kicks in due to circumstance. however, it also leads to a much greater degree of everyday stress.

one interesting thing is that the system for forming habits, the endocannabinoid system, is fully intact and working in individuals with adhd. the problem is that entrenching the habit is very difficult for people with adhd, and the habits that tend to get entrenched are the ones that are highly dopaminergic. this is why, e.g., video game addiction and compulsive sexuality are pretty common in conjunction with adhd.

you can leverage all of that in varying ways.

>>76413421

Anxiety an sleep issues are completely lifestyle related.
Obviously you faggot workouts arent properly tiring you out enough. Try getting a fucking a job and maybe doing some stretching and mobility to relax your body instead of being a retard gymcel and spiking your heart rate constantly.

OR do some motha fucking YOGA my nigga. Yoga is AMAZING for anxiety. And actually commit to it don't just do one class and say oh well fuck it thats it. Use DEEP inhalations into your ABDOMEN to trigger your parasympathetic nervous system to calm you down.

Trust me, I used to be an anxietyfag and yoga helped a lot. So did dancing. You need mindful movement to signal your brain that youre safe and can let go.

You didnt even do no deep breathing today bitch ass nigga.


Your "solution" is doing random chemicals on the internet for the rest of your life? Good luck with that.

Maybe try water fasting so you can fall asleep from literally not having enough energy to stay awake
Turn off the fucking computer and bright lights and night. Use flux and hue bulbs.
Do fucking mindfulness breathing meditations. Actually fucking commit to doing it not just try it for 5 minutes one time and bitch out.

Set up your life so the thing that makes you anxious make it easier to break down into managable task.
>imagine yourself doing the thing ahead of time
>set a time limit on doing the thing
>do the thing for 5-10 minutes
>step back and break the thing down into parts so you can allocate how much time to spend on it per day
dont wait for inspiration, the inspiration will come as you do the thing and feel good about getting it done
stop doing other shit that disctracts you, thats why i literally said
>eliminate distractions

Also your psychiatrist and doctor aren't going to fix your lifestyle issues, all they do is prescribe you jewish poison.

>>76413718
google what the word autism means
>>76413721
read the thread the cosmos trial and physicians trial which i already posted links to in this thread confirms substantial reductions in cancer and improvements in biological age markers

>>76411129
>>76411132
what do I do about anxiety related ED? I have absolutely no libido or physiological erection issues but even with 2 top strength blue chews I have had a limp dick with a new girl / tinder hookup. I mean I'm engaged now so its not a big deal but my girl has been hinting at wanting to involve another woman and I think if that happened in that situation id literally commit sodoku

>>76413737
exposure therapy

>>76413742
>get more women to look at my dick
I like the way you think can you pretend to be a doctor and tell my wife that

>>76413737
Tadalafil. You won't feel anxious because you know the pill will guarantee your erection.

>>76413722
Interesting. Thanks bro. That makes a ton of sense, like getting through my general education classes was like pulling teeth even though they were stupid easy. With math and chemistry, I’m fully engaged and it’s easy to spend a couple hours a day working on those things. Once you understand what is going on, it becomes much easier to either mitigate the inherent issues I have through various techniques OR have fun utilizing them to accomplish a task.

For me, order and organization is paramount for the completion of any task. If my house or work space or whatever is in disarray, it’s impossible for me to get anything done. I work as a server now and got roped into getting this stupid hotdog cart that my boss opened up on the restaurant premises for this big neighborhood event and first thing I did was bring order to the chaos.
>>76413723
>anxiety and sleep issues are lifestyle related
Yeah, for some people. I’ve tried all these things bro. The anxiety is a PHYSICAL thing that I am able to feel; it’s near constant fight or flight mode with physical manifestations of various symptoms of the anxiety. My danger music is always playing even though my life is, by all metrics, quite good right now.

>>76413782
>My danger music is always playing

Nigga literally read the rest of my post. It sounds like trauma and you have an overactive fight or flight response. Yoga, real meditation, dance, mindfulness, therapy, Dialectical Behavior Therapy, etc are gonna help you a lot.

>>76412609
watch some video about calculus, do shitton of exercices until all are easy, also focus on one thing first and do it instead of doing several at once

>>76413806
NTA but I have done all those things, trauma still exists and anything done is just a cope that never actually gets it to go away. At best you can learn to sense when the trauma is "being triggered" and try to make a conscientious decision to change but that still is not guaranteed.

>Thread still full of all normie shit
>PAI-1 is a common driver of aging and diverse diseases
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2319417025000666
>Baicalin ameliorates cigarette smoke-induced airway inflammation in rats by modulating HDAC2/NF-κB/PAI-1 signalling
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34314854/

>>76413782
>. My danger music is always playing even though my life is, by all metrics, quite good right now.
Unironically take up prayer and start reading some Orthodox saints. I was kinda like you in my late 20's and now i take things way less seriously. I also reduced my lifting sessions to x3 per week and doing way less volume. Also did you try magnesium citrate?

Btw what's with your fridge? Your main source of protons is sausages?

>>76414046
>Falling for the grift of a guy who's so unhealthy because of his diet and extreme lifestyle that his body no longer makes testosterone or estrogen so he has to inject both, and has to get subcutaneous face injections of fat because His body fat is so low that he looks so bad naturally that it affects his grifting ability to sell $12 jars of nut butter with four servings, Olive oil that doesn't contain the harvest date which he claims is one of the utmost indicators of the purity and healthfulness, and a curcumin supplement, which isn't the most absorbable form.

Been taking:
Ivermectin (everyday about 3ml on an empty stomach)
Fenbendazole (once a week with some fat likes eggs 222mg)
Multi vitamin
Maggy L-Threonate
And some protein powder in a shake
I heard nattokinase is good for circulation but I haven't tried it yet

Anyone been taking L-Theanine?

>>76414125
>Ivermectin
Why

>>76413782
yeah, the habit of organizational aids is an incredibly powerful tool for people with adhd so you're already winning in many respects.

but the big thing people don't realize about adhd is that it's a disorder of regulating attention, not actually a complete deficit of attention. there is of course a deficit of attention in some regards but the opposite is also a condition of the disorder. this is what hyperfocus is: a fixation, perseveration toward a task, perhaps even to the detriment of other tasks or your own health. it's not exactly a superpower as some people say it is.

also regarding the anxiety, that's fucking exhausting. healthygamergg on youtube has some wonderful videos about this kind of thing that you can put on and listen to while you do other shit

>>76414151
It kills cancer cells and it's virtually retard proof especially if you take the liquid form

>>76414163
So you have cancer

>>76414163
>it kills cancer cells
It also damages healthy cells, including the immune related cells needed to fight cancer.

Ivermectin destroys cellular membranes, that's how it works against parasites.
You could be destroying completely healthy immune cells by abusing that shit dumbass.

>>76414170
I've felt changes after taking it
I can't say 100% that it was cancer but my prostate is a lot healthier and I could feel it get healthier if that makes sense

>>76414183
Well that is more likely because you had a chronic prostate infection.
When the prostate swells in reduces the ability for the body to recognize bacterial/fungal/viral infections so the infection never clears before the body eventually stops producing the antibodies to fight the infection.

Same reason why people get chronic warts on their fingers/toes when having reduced blood flow to the extremities.
You should have just taken low dosage cialis, stretched, and done more cardio bro.

>>76414182
I'm sorry but you're wrong that's not how it works
Ivermectin attacks the signalling pathways inside the cancer cells it doesn't destroy any cell walls at all
I should have AIDs I've been taking Ivermectin daily for nearly 2 years now

>>76414210
>I'm sorry but you're wrong that's not how it works

>bro ivermectin doesn't change permeability of membranes
>bro ivermectin doesn't influence certain membranes to have chloride ions more
>bro ivermectin doesn't directly damage the mitochondrial membrane
>bro source my ass
lmaoing at your life dumbass.

All neurological toxicity, all antibiotic-three layer attack benefits, all things about ivermectin stem from the fact that it damages or alters cellular membranes.
Including those of healthy cells.

>b-but my signaling pathways
Yes and those pathways do what newfag?
They influence chloride ions via the cellular membrane which causes toxicity.
Glad you agree with me dumbass.

>>76414195
>Cialis
Why do I even bother talking you people
This whole site is just on big dumping ground for you shit heels between /fit/ and /fa/ skincare&haircare respectively
Go fuck yourself in the ear you pharma gremlin

>>76414240
Cialis, ginger, green tea and only a few other things are the only known PDE5 inhibitors on the planet retard.

The prostate once prone to inflammation, basically has no way to get rid of the inflammation which is why it chronically swells.
PDE5 inhibitors bypass and force positive anti-inflammatory influence on the prostate.

That's why doctors prescribe cialis for prostate problems, holy shit you fucking jeet fuck.
This is day one knowledge, i'm trying to help you, but you bring your stupid fucking jeet ass on here saying you take shit like ivermectin and when someone gives you actual good advice it's all
>NO SAAR YOU ARE WRONG WHY I COME HERE SAAR
go fuck yourself, you deserve everything bad that happens to you.

>>76414240
this nigga rejecting pharma out of hand instead of recognizing where the holes are

dumb ass nigga

>>76414250
>>76414238
My mistake saar please continue to sell your overpriced goods that dont work saar
Ivermectin is bad yes that's why the entire livestock industry uses it routinely because they want to give their animals aids yes saar I leave now byrbye

>>76414250
icariin found in horney goat weed is the strongest natural pde5 inhibitor

>>76414152
have u tried saffron

>>76414283
>bro ivermectin isn't pharma saar
>bro ivermectin isn't expensive saar

cialis unironically cheaper than ivermectin jeet.
you can get like 100 pills for like 20 bucks.

>>76414297
Black ginger has almost 3 times the amount of PDE5 Inhib as horney goat weed.
Also Cialis is exponentially powerful compared to natural sources.
There is a reason you would need 10+ servings a day of horney goat weed to get the benefits of 1mg of cialis.
While it would take three-four servings of ginger tea.

>>76414311
i believe pure icariin is more potent than pure dmf ill look into it later

>>76414319
At that point you have to compare pure black ginger extract to pure icariin.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6754136/
It's low-mid, it's enough to not be called placebo so yes it does work, but once again it's nowhere even close to black ginger which taken three times a daily in concentrated form has moderate results.

No natural source comes close to cialis.
1mg cialis has tangible results 2 hours after taking it.
You would have to take multiple standardized dosages of any natural source multiple times a day, realistically for a couple of days to show results.

Or idk you'd just have to be taking them in really absurd amounts regularly throughout the day.
Which doesn't seem worthwhile price wise.
Since all natural sources are more costly.

>>76414344
Can I take 5mg cialis even if I don’t fuck?

>>76414125
>ivermectin
my cousin ended up in the icu dont do it
>fenbendazole
why would you take this??

>>76414352
I wouldn't recommend 5mg.
I buy 10mg and split them.
Since cialis is felt exponentially, the benefits of cialis daily are felt at the lowest dosages.
Example
>2.5mg of cialis puts on the same 5lbs of lean body mass as 5mg, 10mg, or 20mg
There is a reason older men who have major health problems take 20mg.

If you need to take larger dosages of cialis to show positive influence on the body, you would literally gain more benefit from any major health change like
>better diet
>better exercise
>losing weight, sleeping better, etc
I take 2.5mg, have taken it three times a week for 10 years.
monday/wed/friday like clockwork.

Final note, if you have GERD or back problems (lower back problems) don't take cialis.
Cialis prevents inflammation via PDE5 inhibitor.
Certain muscles in your body physically require inflammation to function properly via engorging and/or counterbalancing.
People who take cialis have acid reflux and back problems as largest side effects and it's very common to have them.

>>76414344
you could combine icariin, dmf and berberine quite easily and get something closer to the level of viagra. berberine downregulates pde5 and has endless benefits on top. viagra has many side effects the natural substances do not have.

>>76410921 (OP)
If you're drinking or jerking off all that money will be wasted (most of it is wasted anyway).

>>76413713
Chia seeds are extremely nutritious, but your body really can't break down the seeds. If you don't grind them up, it's just a bunch of soluble fiber and not a whole lotta nutrients or calories. And you also don't get the minor amount of protein.
If you grind it, you make all the stuff digestible. The soluble fiber aspect goes down a bit, but it becomes much more insoluble fiber instead.
If you aren't grinding your chia seeds, you may as well just use flax seeds instead.

>>76414086
>curcumin supplement, which isn't the most absorbable form.
A known liver toxin.

>>76414710
there are only a few isolated reports of curcumin induced liver injury and aside from taking way too much curcumin there's zero useful information in the reports. patented curcumin extracts are common and have a well vetted safety profile. the toxicity of curcumin likely comes from low quality scams spraying the crop with lead to make it look fresher.

>>76412124
> didn’t feel like dihexa did with natural flow:

Yeah, I was hoping it would be as noticeable as SEMAX, but I think I’m still getting some value from it as a long-term auxiliary. It’s supposed to support habit formation and neuroplasticity, so I only take it on productive days to help reinforce those patterns.

I have a feeling the more neurodivergent you are, the more likely you are to benefit from these nootropics.


Have you tried to Cerebrolysin yet? I haven’t found a source yet.

>>76410921 (OP)
Alright guys rate the stack.

>Gooning sups
Zinc Piconate (22mg)
Copper (2mg) (So I can take zinc everyday)

>I broke my arm and am healing sups
Boron (3mg)
D3+K2 pill (5000 IU/ 100mcg)

Tips? Tricks? Suggestions?

>>76415065
A $60 AUD cycle of BPC157 will do more for your recovery than any nutritional supplement.

Stack it with TB500 and you’ll feel like Wolverine. It won’t heal the broken bones, but all of the supporting soft tissue will be 100% healed.

>MUH FDA APPROVAL

Who dares, wins.

How many mg of Boron to take for the body to make more test. Yes, I know its not much compared to actual gear but Im still curious.

How'd I do, just got these today. I learned the sups I had where trash and not bioavailable so I tried to research some decent stuff.
I'm thinking zinc maybe every other day.
Creatine as well obviously, and I'll be getting some sunflower lecithin soon for more gains

>>76414427
bruh why do you keep shilling that shit.
just make black garlic tea.
it's literally the most abundant natural source of pde5 inhibitor on the planet.
you keep shilling icariin, but it's less polymethoxyflavone than black ginger.

flavonoids are what cause the pde5 inhibition.
horny goat weed is not anywhere close to black ginger. it's not even remotely close at a necessary three+ dosages to equal one dosage of black ginger.

>>76415187
it is much easier to find high potency icariin than dmf and dmf has some issues like increasing absorption of other things which can become a problem depending on your stack. also why not both? did you just learn about black ginger? i use both and berberine.

>>76415195
Because it's the cheapest and most absorbed option without giving any money to supplement industry.
Add it to green tea (another pde5 inhibitor though much smaller in concentration) and boom why the fuck not.
i'm not buying overpriced supplements that have no actual evidence of doing shit.
it's barely registered above placebo.

once again it takes daily supplementation of 2.5mg of cialis which is exponentially more powerful than black ginger, the strongest natural pde5 inhibitor to even show any benefits from pde5 inhibition.
so horny goat weed is a fucking meme. objectively.

>>76415211
black ginger isn't even remotely cheap and a proper extract standardized to dmf (the pde5 inhibiting molecule in it) is even more expensive. most of the extracts only contain 5% dmf. furthermore idgaf about pde5 inhibition specifically it's just another benefit among many. also i'd think berberine pde5 downregulation will be superior to any of this shit over the long run. tldr i dont need or take boner pills bye viagra seller

>>76415235
kek
>bro black ginger is expensive
>but im going to buy this meme supplement that can't even do anything
dude you can buy black ginger at fucking grocery stores the fuck are you talking about it's cheap as fuck, it's barely more expensive than regular ginger. which is dirt cheap.
you're spending like 5 bucks in horny goat weed per day to get what is the 1 dollar in black ginger cost. let alone like 25 cents of cialis cost.

do you just work for a horny goat weed company?

>>76415250
unless you live in thailand you're not finding black ginger in any store. icariin isn't particularly expensive. no where close to $5 more day more like pennies and it has broad spectrum benefits. your boner drugs have broad spectrum side effects. idgaf about your boner drugs at all im never buying them bye bye cupcake

>>76414627
I don’t drink. What does jerking off have to do with anything? Will fucking my girlfriend negate any gains from these supplements?

>>76412582
Actually, that's bullshit. In nutritional science most over-weight people are deficient in many micro-nutrients despite eating more food than required. That's because foods high in calories and fat, goy slop, have no nutritional value. Simply 'losing weight' isn't enough to help these people. Dietitians now focus on improving over-weight patients nutrition as a priority without respect to 'losing weight.' Since if you have chronic disease from poor nutrition its unlikely that you'll be able to lose weight anyway. But I understand that you're a typical abrasive retard on an image board.

>>76414141
Yes
It’s nice for work days that i know are going to be intense (construction)
I take it with caffeine so i have energy but i’m not trying to do 10 things at once
Started taking propranolol (beta blocker that keeps your heart from beating excessively so your brain doesn’t go into fight or flight mode) that i got from hims but im not too sure about it yet

>>76415322
it's probably as much or more to do with the fact that being very fat reduces the efficiency of the entire body so even if they're eating healthy food they will get less value from it. additionally fat stores toxins which further degrade the absorption of nutrients as the toxic substrate stored in fat harms the entire body

>>76415211
>the strongest natural pde5 inhibitor
get some ku shen m8

>>76414710
What do you think the point of my post was? I'm just curious.

Does anyone have any reccomemdations for general gut health that aren't:
Glutamine
Probiotic (yes seven specific strains)
Ginger/Peppermint/Fennel
NAC
Aloe
MSM
Magnesium

Just wondering if there's anything new around that I haven't tried. I have IBS so its a chronic thing and anything that can help me manage bloating/chromic gas/constipation is greatly appreciated.

>>76415725
>bloating/chromic gas
-Dried ginger with honey/sugar, you chew them as a snack. Chink/Asian shop should sell them.
-charcoal pill/powder
-ginger peppermint tea
-some yoga shit to push the gas for a mega brap

>general gut health
-black seed oil
-raw cow/goat milk
-kefir
-bpc157
-fiber
-colostrum

>>76415725
first thing i'd try is eliminate literally everything but meat and water. add stuff back in one at a time. basically follow a carnivore diet for a few weeks to see if symptoms improve. go from there

>>76415772
I didn't read the rest of your post because you started off by recommending something that I literally said not to recommend.

>>76415774
I did that. It's not food related. It's a chronic issue. Thank you though.

>>76415772
Half the stuff you recommended, including literally the first thing you recommend it, are things that I pointed out in my list not to recommend.

>>76415777
>I didn't read the rest of your post
Lol nah.Best of luck.

>>76415780
what about coffee? have you tried digestive enzymes? maybe look into milk thistle.

>>76415794
Try all three of those. I really do appreciate your effort in replying to me with options and recommendations though

>>76415799
>>76415794
Tried**

>>76415799
i guess the only other thing i can recommend is cistanche. it has some potent bowel tonic properties. have you been to a doctor to make sure your organs are functioning properly?

>>76415814
Yes, my last physical showed a clean bill of health. I've visited a gastroenterologist in the past and sadly his advice to me was literally just to take laxatives. I'm going to look into cistanche, honestly neevr heard of it.

>>76415817
cistanche got "known" for purported testo boosting benefits but honestly its best attributes are sleep and gut/bowel health. there's probably more exotic herbs that do better but im not the one to ask. good luck

>>76415841
Thank you. I'm very grateful for your help.

>>76414301
saffron and sumak where my flower bros at

I'm thinking about buying pic rel, should I? I think I'm eating pretty clean - muesli with either cottage cheese or skyr, eggs most of the time hard boiled. Chicken breast for meat, white rice and various mixed, frozen vegetables which usually contain potatoes, broccoli, carrot, corn, cauliflower etc. Other than that I eat cucumbers, tomatoes, red onion with cottage cheese as well, as for fruit it's usually strawberries, cranberries, prunes. Pretty much anything I can get at grocery store. The point I'm making is I think that I'm eating pretty clean and I eat a shit ton of vegetables, so technically I should be covered vitamin and mineral wise. However I'm not autistic enough to track my micros. Thoughts? Other that pic rel, any other recommendations? I'm lifting 4 days a week, running 12km (7.45 miles) every single day and on top of that I'm running HIIT on the non-lift days if that matters.

>>76415725
>Probiotic (yes seven specific strains)
which strains? i thought they are the same thing

>>76416246
Try looking at life extension 2 per day or thorne basic 2 per day (take just 1 since youre eating decent enough) , might still wanna supplement extra magnesium from a better form (citrate if you can handle the shits, malate or glycinate ) and vitamin k2 mk4/mk7. Some might complain about the meh form and amount of b6 in the Life extension, some say p5p is better and safer than the hcl version.Well, this is all imo.

>>76410921 (OP)
Lately I dropped all suplements, even caffeine and I feel good. You just need to eat healthy, a lot of veggies and fruits(of course do not munch on potatoes, rice and bananas too much) on top of meat and diary.

>>76415106
6 to 9, which is usually 2-3 pills.

>>76416393
based

>>76416331
They aren't. Generally speaking, different strains are good for different irritable bowel symptoms. The probiotics that you purchase in the store typically have a whole slew of different strains. These are useless for people with actual bowel problems because some of the strains that they contain can irritate the problem and some of them are neutral and some of them may make it better. But overall, they compete with each other.

No supplement, and I have tried many, has fixed or helped for anything. Literally a complete waste of money and time.

For most things all you have to do is eat good foods and one of pic related a day for a few days (but not every day cuz they're radioactive).

never felt like any supplement did anything for me

>>76416393
>Lately I dropped all suplements, even caffeine and I feel good.
You might "feel good" but the /sci/ says there are a whole boatload you're probably better off taking than not taking.
>t. more pillmaxxed than Bryan Johnson and also "feel good" but have discontinued them all for a bit and just feel a little less "good"

>>76417350
Oh man, a whole board of stay-at-home, nobodirs living in their mom's basement posting on an anime website say I need to spend hundreds of dollars on lead-laced Chinese pills. I'm sure they absolutely certainly know exactly what they are talking about

>>76410921 (OP)
I'm a bit dubious of supplements unless you have an absorption disorder for some specific vitamin or mineral. Your diet should generally get you all the micros.

One thing I think is not talked about enough is that nearly all supplements you can take have antioxidant effects. This means that they will make you feel better if you're in oxidative stress from some problem without actually treating that underlying problem.

>>76410921 (OP)
My current stack:
>zepbound 5mg (infinite hunger otherwise)
>high quality multivitamin
>finasteride (hair is life)
>creatine HCL
>omega 3 high EPA nearly no DHA
>collagen peptides
>astaxanthin/lutein/zeaxanthin
>statin+ezetimibe
>glynac
>psyllium husk
>melatonin+magnesium
Recently stopped using tadalafil due to side effects. Turns out my dick actually works quite well without it, I was just fat before. Am keeping a strategic reserve just in case though.

>>76410921 (OP)
What's like the max amout of vitamin D I can take per day? I have a multivitaming with 5 microgram + pills with 25 microgram.

>>76417583
What multivitamin do you take

>>76411104
I literally got more ED issues from random supplements I experimented with than from fin. I swear everyone who says that shit is just an eternally buttmad baldy.

>>76412408
CoQ10 is a trash supplement and not even recommended when using statins anymore because of how worthless it is.
Everything else on your list is a good idea though.

>>76412721
Tadalafil, beetroot, citrulline

>>76417589
MicroVitamin from Dr Stanfield because it isn't overdosed on everything.

>>76417615
Very cool thanks

OP here. Gonna add this for the next hundred days :)

Any males that got too much oestrogen?

>>76417699
Post titties

>>76416963
Ashwagandha helped me with sleep. That's pretty much it.

>>76417710
With DSIP, I am sleeping 6-8 hours without waking every night. I’ve tried absolutely EVERYTHING, both prescription and OTC, and this is the magic fucking bullet I’ve spent the last 15 years looking for.

>>76413806
>real meditation
Niqqa, meditation can literally be harmful. Look it up: it can induce psychosis. If you have PTSD or eating disorder, dissociative episodes, good luck getting anything good out of it. It's pure torture. Also, every research paper loosely claiming benefits from meditation (evidence disproves bolder claims) is deep in conflict of interests.

i take two supplement pills a day
one is 2500 I.E vitamin D3 with 100 microgramm vitamin K2
the other is 14mg of iron, 180mg of vitamin c, 200 microgramm folic acid, 4,5mg vitamin b6 and 3 microgramm vitamin b12

>>76417924
man you are a guinea pig with this shit. How long have you been using? Any side effects or suspected side effects?

>>76417990
No, none. I’ve put a lot of time and effort into researching these things and I have used them individually before to test for side effects (except for DSIP), so it’s not like I’m blindly injecting a pharmacy worth of random shit. This was my process:
>interest in peptides piqued by friends using BPC-157 with varying degrees of success
>wonder about whether or not there are peptides for brain healing/brain health
>there are
>look into literally every one I can find that vendors supply, quickly weeding out about 80% of them
>jot down the remaining 20%
>meticulously research all I can about pertinent compounds
>eliminate another ~10% based on lack of efficacy and potential side effects/danger of compounds
>find reputable domestic vendors who PUBLICLY POST mass spectrometry analyses of compounds by reputable third party testers
>eliminate another 5% based on not being able to find a vendor who stocks the pertinent compounds with the above qualifications
>order small amounts to test on myself individually over the course of a few months
>don’t have to eliminate any based on negative sides at this point
>save up enough to pull the trigger on a full course of peptide therapy ranging anywhere from 10 days to 4 months

So yeah, I’m a lab rat in the sense that the medical literature simply doesn’t exist to support what I’m doing but this wasn’t an impulsive or reckless decision, and if it’s successful then I will recommend it to others. If it does nothing, then I will be out $1500. Risk/reward seems worth it to me.

>>76411085
Fin turns you into a faggot, not worth the risk.

>>76418285
nah, I can tell this nigga came out da womb zesty
no cap (fr fr)

>>76412526
Context is irrelevant. Cognitive improvements benefit everyone in all circumstances.

>>76412378
What are the benefits of this?

any good supplements/combos for healing slightly hearniated (no surgery) and worn discs in the spine? (BMI of 20 + im young)
im already maxing gymnastic exercises and swimming
any good supplements/combos for slighty stretched out ligaments (they are not torn, but idk how to explain, a lil stretched too much and maybe press on nerves too) and irritated nerves?
i take high doses of b12. my nerves dont tingle on that day.
thanks

>>76418383
It's not, but whatever you say.

>>76418392
Supplying you with a mineral that you're deficient in like any supplement.

>>76418418
do i really have to make a new thread for my egotistical problems?

>>76418383
>All people should have the same values and goals
>all people require the same nutritional support
Nope

>>76418484
It's been 24 minutes. Calm down.

>>76410921 (OP)
>>76411179
>>76414821
Semax makes you bald

>>76410921 (OP)
>>1mg 2x/week CJC-1295 with DAC
How much mass did you gain with peptides?

>>76418603
NTA but I did a 6 month cycle of tessamorelin and i got stronger but the main benefits were just sleeping good and loss of visceral fat

>>76417976
>meditation
>harmful
if sitting in silence and practicing mindfullnes is harmful for you then you're too far fucking gone already you dumb psycho. go visit a doctor you mouthbreathing tard

>>76418861
I am naturally gifted at meditation. I can literally stop thinking which makes me lose all sense of time. Then when i return from this small death I am traumatized

>>76417457
>lead-laced Chinese pills
>>76417591
>more ED issues from random supplements I experimented with than from fin
This is serious research/sourcing skill issues. I get supplements from China and India all the time that come back 0-1ppb lead if it ain't the cheapest Shenzen/Chennai bathtub-brewed garbage you can find. Eating an American Hershey's bar is probably more lead and cadmium than your average Chinese supplement.
>big protip: don't take systemically active anti-androgens for hair; tons of other non-androgen pathways grow hair if you're not some anti-/sci/ luddite who only trusts Bill Clinton's FDA.

>>76410921 (OP)
Boron

>>76410921 (OP)
Just started creatine on day 4 of loading at 2x a day 10g a time.
What expect at 1-3-6 month? Feels like I'm just eating white nothing powder lol

>>76417588
Idk, but make sure you take vitamin k2 with it as well

>>76416393
>Lately I dropped all suplements
I hate when that shit happens. Gotta grab all of em off the ground and some even roll out of sight and you dont find them until the next time you clean the floor.

>>76418418
hgh, deca. Nothing else will work

>>76419520
Explain how HGH and deca will heal the discs in your spine, please.
>>76418418
Do you have disc issues or ligament issues? There are none (zero, nada) supplements that will help. What will help is stretching (hip flexors, psoas, erectors, hamstrings, glutes) and strengthening your core (abs, obliques, erectors) and glutes.

Find a good chiropractor who will do adjustments and electro stimulation for when you’re having spasms. Once the spasms subside, make sure that chiropractor is also able to work with you on the physical therapy aspect of your rehabilitation. Chiropractors get a bad rap because there are a lot of hacks, but the one I found saved my ass when doctors failed over and over again to even properly diagnose me. My case is complicated by the fact that I have a slight scoliosis so the exercises I do might not be totally relevant to you.

Which discs are herniated and how do you know it’s herniated discs? For me it’s L4/L/5 and L5/S1 and it was diagnosed by said chiropractor who sent me for an MRI after assessing me and literally saying he wouldn’t touch me until we found out what was going on

>>76419546
>Do you have disc issues or ligament issues? There are none (zero, nada) supplements that will help.
>small molecule skill issues in 2025
>20-Deoxyingenol alleviates intervertebral disc degeneration by activating TFEB in nucleus pulposus cells
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006295223004562

>>76419682
>in vitro
>disc degenerative disease
He has a HERNIATION. It’s not the same as degeneration.

Sorry for the bad science bros but I started taking the following and it fixed my fucking awful recurring cold sores

>NAC
>D3
>methylated multivitamin
>ashwaganda

listed in order of what I think fixed me

>>76419738
Was likely the NAC/D3

>>76418861
I meditated 30 min twice daily for years. Although some skills are interesting, it just postponed me finding an efficient treatment. What concerns me the most is that all the benefits claimed are just not better than looking to nature pictures, claims on brain modifications don't have before/after comparison, and every pro meditation paper is tied to meditation fundations/organizations or people selling retreats and meditation 'therapy'. Beware your sunk cost fallacy.

Supps for OCD aside from NAC?

Supps for improving recovery? Yes, I sleep 7-8h daily.

>>76420105
Theanine, omega 3, high quality multivitamin and improve your sleep hygiene

>>76420637
Depends on the workout load/diet/lifestyle

>>76419546
i have disc issues in my spine, ligament issues in my pelvic floor
>(zero, nada) supplements that will help
so you dont know, ok. i asked about healing the tissue out of the discs and joints are made of.
probably gelatine?
>chiroprac
there are none here and one should not be made subject to them (i know they DO help, but as said your body will remember and not heal from its own)
>scoliosis
i have a massive scoliosis and pelvic tilt
>Which discs are herniated and how do you know it’s herniated discs?
Xray + MRI. the doc sat me down and showed me and explained.
for me it is L2/3/4/5 and one in the chest area
they are only very slightly hearniated, cant see on the xray, but on the MRI
the L2-5 are somewhat already fixed. the one in the chest and their respective abrasive/worn condition is worrying me

>>76420660
>workout load/diet/lifestyle
Progressive overload bodyweight 3/week
Balanced diet, rather high in protein (mostly poultry and dairy) and lots of vegetables
Rather active lifestyle and hobbies, physical job 6 days a week since a couple months hence the concerns about recovery. My bw+16kg was too much when I started the job and I had to quit until I felt I adapted. I started again this week from square one with just bw. So far so good but with increasing reps I'll soon hit a recovery ceiling.
Stack:
2 week alternating cycles of either ashwaganda or tongkat ali
D3K2
Magnesium
Melatonin and valerian 1h before bedtime

>>76418589
I’m already taking Dutasteride and oral minoxidil proactively lol.

>>76419546
Do cat curl back extensions and manageable deadlifts, problems solved
>Source: L1 and L5 herniations and still lift heavy

>>76420859
>I asked about healing the tissue outside of the discs
And I told you what to do. You can’t take a magic pill for everything; you’re definitely ESL so maybe you misunderstand what’s happening. You’re asking the equivalent of “which supplements can I take to heal a torn ligament”, and there are none. You either need surgery or rehab. The disc is now deformed, how do you think a supplement would alter the ruptured disc and suck the jelly back into the middle? There is already virtually zero blood flow to this tissue in the first place which is part of the problem.

Your options are rehab or surgery. I wouldn’t recommend surgery. You can also lose weight if you’re fat, being fat will make the problem worse
>>76421030
So in other words.. strengthen the erectors/core and glutes? That’s exactly what I said.

>>76421106
the absolute reading comprehension of /fit/.
>fat
maybe reread >>76418418
yes im esl.
>The disc is now deformed
no, my discs themselves are not deformed. unusual compressed, maybe
>the ruptured disc
i have no ruptured discs

they are a little out of their place and a little worn. per medical definition olbiged to say herniated, but they arent hearniated in the usual sense.
why reply, when you dont know how to heal the joint/discs tissue, i asked about supplements regarding that?
instead you are just blocking and walling with your unflexible thinking stating "tHerE iS No mAgIc piLl"
no, there is not such a thing, at least not for you, i reckon.

Hey everyone!

>Take Vitamin D 5000 in the morning
>Can't sleep
>Take Vitamin D + K2 in the morning
>Mega can't sleep
>Take choline or anything that increases choline (like Lecithin)
>Insane depression for a couple days

Is it over for me? How am I supposed to take vitamin d? Isn't it essential?

>>76421337
You fucking moron. Is it herniated or is it not herniated? The structural damage to the disc CANNOT BE HEALED. It is permanently fucked. Your options are SURGERY or PHYSICAL THERAPY.
>reading comprehension
My reading comprehension is just fine, you retarded cocksucker. It’s not my job to keep track of literally every single post anon makes. I was trying to be helpful, but you’re too stupid and stubborn to be assisted.
>unflexible thinking
It’s INFLEXIBLE, you stupid ESL mouth breather. Why don’t you rub those two brain cells of yours together and ponder for a minute about how, exactly, a supplement is going to fix STRUCTURAL SOFT TISSUE DAMAGE? Your back is FUCKED and it is permanent.

God damn you are a retard and you are
Either in complete denial or you are inaccurately representing your issue due to being ESL.

>>76421498
nta but this kind of thing seems very much fixable by the body in the same way broken bones are healed

>>76421382
Are you taking it fast or with food?

>>76421382
Already posted in thread.
You physically require magnesium supplementation.
Vitamin D+k2 is like 2010 /fit/ knowledge.
We've evolved way beyond that.

Vitamin D is either active or inactive, when it's inactive it does absolutely nothing, but be stored in fat cells.
Magnesium is required to activate Vitamin D, so when you mega dosage Vitamin D, you're basically depleting your stores of magnesium.
Magnesium is crucial for bone health as low magnesium causes bone cells (and all cells) to run at lower efficiency.
So even if you get Vitamin D, k2, and calcium.
Congrats you've depleted your probably already low magnesium and now the cells are moving so sluggish that what was the point in supplementing them.
Furthermore potassium re-uptake physically requires magnesium. When you are low potassium the last thing you do is supplement more potassium. It does nothing since homeostasis will just piss it all out.
HOWEVER if you have adequate magnesium, potassium gets re-uptake synergy which greatly boost potassium levels.
So now you are high d3, k2, calcium, low magnesium, and low potassium.

Solution, regular small dosage supplementation of magnesium glycinate. If you can't find small dosage buy the large dosage pills and break them in half.
Magnesium glycinate is tolerated well, absorbed decently, and has bonuses to collagen production via glycine.
Once you are magnesium deficient you are basically deficient for life as it is incredibly difficult to maintain constant saturation levels without breaking homeostasis (pissing out excess). The body requires constant saturation for the body to begin to pull magnesium into the bones for storage in the bone-matrix.
If you are deficient any stored magnesium will be released during the sleep cycle to maintain homeostasis, furthering the deficiency.
You also cannot test for magnesium deficiency accurately.
Blood test will either show low magnesium or okay magnesium (homeostasis).
cont-

>>76421382
>>76422149
cont-
it does not test for bone stored magnesium, which is the only actual accurate measurement of magnesium levels during low food intake/fasted periods and if you try to fast multiple days before a blood test. Your magnesium levels will still show adequate.

>tldr
>your micro/mineral ratio is super fucked up from D3 abuse
It's so bad now that the meats you eat have no magnesium.
Since we have stripped the land of all its minerals, the cows eat the grass with low magnesium, so now the beef you eat has low magnesium levels.
This cycle will continue until basically all life outside the ocean cannot sustain itself.

>>76422149
You know I don't understand the whole k2 thing because K2m7 is only found in tiny amounts in food with the one exception of fermented natto beans.

I don't get how we supposedly need this thing which literally just didn't exist in our ancestral diet. Isn't this weird?

>>76422191
>ancestral diet
Cheese nigga, its in them and other basic food stuff. You want mk4 too, not just mk7

>>76422191
What are you talking about?
k2 is absolutely found in dairy, cheeses, and just about every single fermented food in the world.
Just how did you think swedish people got so tall or german people got so stocky from a historical point?
Both countries have various levels of dairy, organ meat consumption, and a lot of fermented foods.
Hell half the foods my grandmother fed me as a child (penns/dutch family near great lakes) had some sort of ingredient that was either dairy or fermented.
So it might not have been part of YOUR ancestral diet, but it was a huge part of mine.

If you want to know the exact science, fermented foods have bacteria that produce k2 after ingesting the food source, these bacteria multiply into abundance throughout the next month-6 months before ingestion.

>>76422207
I think cheese mostly has m4 not m7. M7 is seriously rare, hence my confusion. It's also in sauerkraut but again in tiny amounts

>>76422218
Fermented cheese has about 70mcg per 100g.
You only need around 90mcg daily.

>>76422232
I think you are mixing up m4 and m7. Look at this chart
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5946231/
Cheese has roughly 15 ng/g of m7 so around 1.5mcg per 100 grams of cheese. That's a tiny amount

>>76422265
Even munster, which is the highest at 80ng/g only works out like 8mcg per 100g of cheese

>>76422265
womp womp.
Anon you're shitposting.
Notice how you keep saying buzzwords like
>M4 :DDDD and M7 :PPPPPP
Notice how in my post I keep saying things like
>Anon fermented foods have k2
Now notice how you cannot understand the subtle difference.

Cite me where I said anywhere that mk7 is super abundantly found anywhere.
I stated clearly just eat your fucking fermented foods for k2.

>>76422108
And you seem very much retarded like the other guy. How something seems in your headcanon has nothing to do with how things are in reality.

Supplements either facilitate, activate, or augment bodily processes that already exist. There is no bodily process that exists for restoring a deformed spinal disc; if one DID exist, then surgery would be unnecessary (the only thing that actually fixes the problem).

daily stack
>50 mg zinc picolinate
>3 mg boron
>10k IU vit D
>100 mcg vit K
>1000 mg vit C
>900 mg ashwagandha
>occasionally 1000 mg l-arginine & 400 mg pygeum

yeah coom stack but i don't goon... never looked and felt better honestly. horny all the time though but that shit's cash i just ride the wave weeeee

>>76422342
>ashwagandha
GOOD MORNING SAAR

>>76422313
https://synapse.koreamed.org/pdf/10.3344/kjp.2017.30.1.44
they CAN recover on their own retard, just not usually

>>76422305
I'm not shitposting lol. People take supplements of k2m7 with 100mcg of it and some even take more than that. It would be basically impossible to get this amount from eating food in any way other than natto. You'd need to eat like 1.2kg of munster cheese to get 100mcg kek

>>76422345
>not vril bharatmaxxing
ngmi

>>76422350
There is nothing wrong with taking 100mcg of m7 though. So you're still shitposting.
All k vitamins are metabolized and released via bile or piss. It's near impossible to overdose on k2 vitamins.
So why do you care?
They both do the exact same thing, m7 is just superior in bioavailability and half life. Which is why we supplement it.
Provide a citation that in the human body they do anything other than modulate the bone-matrix via MGP or osteocalcin.

Otherwise I don't care.

>>76422347
Anything CAN happen; they can recover if the herniation is minimal, but a severe herniation is considered anything over 3mm which is so small. stop moving goalposts. The jelly inside the disc is literally blown out the side of the wall of the disc. This is a pointless argument; I’ve been living with this for about 15 years and I wish I were wrong. In fact I would LOVE to be wrong.

>>76410921 (OP)
>10k iu vit d a day
what the FUCK is wrong with you

>>76422374
I'm not saying its bad, I'm just wondering about why we would need k2m7 in such quantities if it was extremely unlikely we'd actually get that much of them for most of human existence. Unless we were eating something with it we don't know about it. Idk why you're so hostile about this, I think it's a reasonable train of thought

>zinc
>vitamin D
do you even need more?

>>76422385
Of all the supplementation amounts you should be questioning, k2 vitamins is probably the least reasonable.
Why did this pop into your head and not the 1k%+ daily percent of b vitamins that we all know you're pissing out 99% of them.

Supplementation is fucked m8, if you want to create a reasonable supplementation brand which has like 25% of your daily needs by all means.
However you won't sell anything because people see big number and think "ooga booga big number means bigger gains".
Meanwhile small regular supplementation actually has more provable benefits.

Body needs 90mcg bare minimum and 120mcg of k2 for optimal. A lot of blacks, asians, jeets, etc do not eat enough meat organs or cheese/dairy to get those numbers.
So they supplement 100mcg of k2m7.
It's not rocket science brother.

>>76422400
I guess if m4/m7 actually do the same thing then that makes sense.

I agree with you about taking tons of b vitamin supplements, I don't get why they're sold in such enormous quantities, apart from b12 which I understand to be extremely poorly absorbed so it has to be that high.

>>76422410
Most supplementation greatly interferes with your natural absorption rates or utility of said absorptions.

I take one of those organics supplement brands, it's kind of expensive, but I also only take half the standard dosages (suppose to be 4 a day, I only take 2).
I noticed when I started taking lower dosages, I was
>having less upset stomach
>pissing less
>and seemed to have better hydration
supplements at the amounts given are quite literal toxic amounts.
That's why your body is pissing yellow, it's literal toxic quantities and your body is rejecting them or you will die.
The whole system is a scam, other than my post about magnesium. Which has real proof that most people are deficient.
I can't recommend really any supplement that isn't just a "I mean you can take it if you want, just go easy on it."

Maybe l-citrulline? idk I've had okay results with it.
Every other micro supplement has been a huge meme for me.

>>76422342
What's the vitamin C for?

>>76422395
99.9999999% of people who require supplementation require more than that, yes.

>>76422422
Magnesium is another one that makes me wonder about our ancestral diets. Apparently most people don't absorb magnesium well, some even as low as 20%, so they would have had to be eating very large quantities of things like leafy greens and seeds. I guess a ton of milk will also do it for you.

What do you think about iron supplementation? It also seems hard to get enough unless you just eat liver or oysters every day

>>76422466
>Magnesium is another one that makes me wonder about our ancestral diets. Apparently most people don't absorb magnesium well, some even as low as 20%, so they would have had to be eating very large quantities of things like leafy greens and seeds. I guess a ton of milk will also do it for you.
How do you not see the logical inconsistency with your reasoning here?

>>76422487
Not him, but I’m not following.. please elaborate

>>76422487
?

>>76422466
Magnesium is simple.
We no longer live in the age of abundance.
Chopping down trees for plow land, etc has pretty much drained all magnesium from the land. We now get 1/3rd the magnesium from all sources than our grandfathers a hundred years ago did.
So that 20% absorption would be much higher.

>what do I think about iron supplementation
I take one iron pill once a month, I get blood work done every 6 months. I have never gone into toxicity levels nor have I ever declined.
If that is good or bad I couldn't tell you m8.

>>76422509
>Chopping down trees for plow land, etc has pretty much drained all magnesium from the land. We now get 1/3rd the magnesium from all sources than our grandfathers a hundred years ago did.
Somewhat alarming lol

>thread still full of normie supplements
>still 2025 and 25 minus 25
>A novel synthetic 3,4,5-tri-feruloylquinic acid enhances learning and memory via neurotrophin signaling in an aging model senescence-accelerated prone 8 mice
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11357-025-01783-7
>A review on pharmacological insights of edible and medicinal mushroom based β-glucans
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13765-025-01006-9

>>76422530
Is what it is, all land based food sources have been low estimate 1/2 their magnesium and at greatest 1/3rd their magnesium compared to a hundred years ago.
Plants require magnesium for photosynthesis, but they don't require ALOT of magnesium. So farmers rarely add more than the basic amount of magnesium for the plants to create crop or bare fruit.
Cow pastures are just as bad, rotational pasture raising is horrible. Pretty much any given pasture is .25 acre per cow less than what is needed for nutritional buildup within the plant mass that the cows eat. Translate this to any other animal we eat in such a way and you'll see a proportional amount of land is missing for true health of the land+health of the animals.
What's worst, a lot of farmers are selling their shit fertilizers to other sources to be processed into different sources.
Instead of letting the fertilizer stay in the land.
It's a slow death anon.

>peaches can be fed to animal, animal gets nutrition, shit is taken from the animal, placed rotationally in circles around tree 5-10 feet out so tree roots pick up the nutritions as fertilizer drains into soil. Tree gives better fruit, fruit gives better health to the animal, animal gives better shit to the tree.

What about all those oranges/apples they take off the ground?
In nature those would rot and return nutrients back to the soil. You know what they do now days?
They take those apples/oranges half rotted and that's what is used to make your apple/orange juice.

So now you have to eat 3 times the amount of apples because some faggot needed juice because he couldn't just let the apples rot and return the benefits of its rotting back to the tree.
It's all fucked m8.

>well i just eat liver says fat keto faggot
yeah except since animals are getting less nutrients, this cycle eventually leads to situations where you have to increasingly eat MORE liver amounts to get the same nutrition.
AJKHFHLKSJHFJKSHFJKSDHFKJDHKJFHKJDHDJK
it's all fucked

>>76422555
>we dont even have a complete understanding of basic extracted molecules yet
>lets jump to research chemicals and drugs!
full retard

hey guys, whats your thoughts on pregabaline?

>>76415725
(0) IBS is heavily linked to toxic bile burning holes in your guts. Bile is your liver shitting out toxins through your intestines. Bile contains vitamin A which is used as a skin peeling compound - when it passes through your guts it burns your skin and causes ulcers. Stop eating vitamin A and look into Grant Genereux. It is very likely that vitamin A toxicity in your liver is the root of your IBS, and will take multiple years of vitamin A restriction diet and cleaning your liver to heal it.

(1) Charcoal: Charcoal is the most effective bile binding substance in the world. Eat one spoonful a day for a few months, and your liver will eliminate a ton of bile. 95% of bile is reabsorbed back into the liver (enter-hepatic circulation), but charcoal binds it so it can be safely eliminated.
(2) Gelatin: Really good for skin repair. Eat a few pounds per year and you should notice better skin. It's also used to conjugate bile (specifically the glycine), thus important in liver detoxification.

>>76422555
>mice studies
LMAO

>>76412936
Apparently ashwaganda fucks some people up instantly. There's even a whole subreddit for ashwaghanda syndrome. Ever heard of it? What effects does it have for you?

>>76410921 (OP)
Protein
Creatine
Steroids
/thread

>>76422342
I take most of these things for coom to no effect. Also the Bulgarian trib root or w.e and nettles at one point.

>>76419332
Fin isn't an anti-androgen and DHT is a trash hormone. Muh FDA joos!

I've got the diarrhea today, lads

>>76423030
People on reddit are mentally ill. Ash is dangerous for the liver tho.

>>76423223
boulardii

>>76410921 (OP)
>NMNH
is that a nofap supplement? No More Nut Horny

>>76423273
i have some of that stuff it is no bueno stick to nicotinic acid, nr, nadh or nmn

>>76423219
guarantee you every lying pos fin shill would tell you how awful it was if there were a better alternative

>>76423289
I get paid by Merck in McDonalds coupons to shill generic finasteride to every male on 4chan but I would still stay on it even if PP405 comes out (which I still believe will turn out to have very disappointing phase 3 results) because it's easy to take a pill and keeping my prostate healthy long term is also highly beneficial.
All hail the FDA and fuck ketards!

>>76423303
why not downregulate 5ar instead of block it? makes no sense.

>>76423314
Downregulating it or inhibiting it makes no difference because at the end of the day you will still have at least 70% less DHT in your system overall. Also there is no known drug that downregulates 5ar enzyme production. That process happens all the time and won't ever stop without CRISPR.

Why can’t I get one of those peptides that stimulates the brain to create LH which makes your balls make more testosterone.

What is the catch here? Some kind of downregulation going to happen somewhere?

>>76423670
yeah gnrh downregulation is such an observed effect that it's literally used for puberty suppression in trannies and kids
you could maybe try a really low dose but it's tricky

>>76423303
I put mint water on head and eat capers for prostate, season my burgers with meat tenderizer because I know f'n pharmacology. Combination therapy involving some growth factor stimulant (kind of like min only better) or another pathway beats a 5-ARI every time.

Anyone familiar with lecithin affecting cholesterol? I had a high cholesterol reading and wondering if sunflower lecithin supplements were contributing to that.

>>76423974
High ldl cholestrol is not really a good marker now. You wanna check for lp(a) lp(b), apo(b) and even more shit about small particles I seen mentioned, for overall risk of heart health. Cholesterol is used for creating hormone and I'm sure I read that dietary cholesterol doesnt affect blood cholesterol too, so it cant be the lechitin.