People can't lose weight because they can't control themselves. It's about capacity of self control.

There are neurodevelopmental and neuropsychiatric conditions in which the brain’s executive circuits (particularly in the prefrontal cortex) either mature more slowly or never quite reach the same level we see in most adults. As a result, people in their 30s (or beyond) can still display some of the impulsivity, distractibility, and poor planning we typically associate with childhood.

It's all because of the impaired executive function! The brain’s system for holding goals in mind, resisting distractions, and choosing long term reward over immediate pleasure. Under typical development, the prefrontal cortex and its networks strengthen throughout childhood and into the mid‑20s. But, when that process is disrupted by genetics, injury, toxic exposure or cognitive delays THE RESULT CAN BE AN ADULT WHOSE SELF-REGULATION CAPACITY MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES THAT OF A CHILD!

Because of the delayed or impaired development of the brain’s executive‑function systems an adult’s self‑control may remain at a more child‑like level.

Recomendations on how to improve executive function

>>76416676
Meditation.

>>76416699
Thank you

Doesn't matter just take the drugs
Stop trying to fight successful evolutionary traits

>wake up unnaturally early
>force yourself to shit shower and shave
>commute to work
>have old man or even worse woman boss sadistically and passive aggressively torture you for their own aggrandizement and satisfaction for 8 hours
>come home to no social interaction or even worse a fat bitch wife who has chores for you to do or is mad at you
>engage in dopamine depleting video games or doom scrolling and the blue light disrupts your circadian rhythim
>force yourself to lay in bed even though you arent really sleepy and you are dreading doing the same shit over again tomorrow
>Why don't you have extra willpower to spare on not eating tasty food anon?

shit has nothing to do with a defective brain in 90% of cases its an unnaturally demanding lifestyle which saps a man of his willpower at every turn.

Except there's fat people who otherwise manage to discipline themselves in other areas of life and skinny people that suffer from addictions, etc. I'm sure that in aggregate obesity and poor impulse control are correlated but it can't be the whole picture.

>>76416550 (OP)
>see, im fat because of things i cant control!

>>76416676
I’ll give you an actual answer: practice. And to be more detailed, pick something harmless to build a dependency on and then practice quitting. Caffeine is a great one. Your body should actually become addicted and then it’s mind over matter to quit it. Like anything else, the more you practice, the better you get. Don’t do this with cigarettes or cocaine, obviously, but the more you deliberately practice using your higher functions to control your lower ones, the better you get.

>>76416676
Start small. Firstly, stop listening to music for example. After a while stop watching porn. Then stop playing video games. Stop doomscrolling on social media. Do not consume sauces for example. No ketchup, no mayonnaise. After a while start drinking water instead of soda. Or eat fruits instead of drinking pepsi for example. Start reading a book and finish it.

It's all about enduring the withdrawal syndrome.

Forging/rebuilding the synapses in your brain is the key. You can physically change your brain. Even in the old age.

Also, if there are "buried" feelings you were suppressing by binge eating learn handling/facing them.

>>76416794
absolutely retarded lol This is completely the opposite of how a lack of willpower should be addressed. You need to start removing friction from your life and fixing pain points so that you have a reservoir of willpower ready to use when needed.

Is there even any data to suggest that its possible to significantly increase willpower over time? I would suspect that its very fixed, though hard to accurately measure, much like intelligence. The statistical significance of the "marshmallow test" strongly suggests this.

>>76416788
Unironically that's the case. Stress. City life. Cheap, addictive, processed junk food. Past traumas and buried feelings. Neurodevelopmental problems.

Yeah i always felt like that's what becoming an addict at 18 did to me. 32 and about to go to school to be an electrician.

>>76416550 (OP)
>Under typical development, the prefrontal cortex and its networks strengthen throughout childhood and into the mid‑20s. But, when that process is disrupted by genetics, injury, toxic exposure or cognitive delays THE RESULT CAN BE AN ADULT WHOSE SELF-REGULATION CAPACITY MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES THAT OF A CHILD!

Yes this is true that humans are driven by impulse and unconscious chemical reactions in the brain causing us to act.

A good litmus test you can use on people for whether they are intelligent or not is to ask them about free will. Intelligent people will understand to some degree that we are simply passengars to our own life story and that we act because of automatic chemical reactions in the brain.

People who are not very critical will say "I have free will, why wouldnt I, I have the free will to answer to you right now. Banana. Look I said a random word. That was free will. I have free will".

In terms of being fat theres more layers than impulse control, however. The brain will regulate many different processes like insulin resistance and ghrelin production which directly causes a deep sense of hunger.

When these hunger processes are ramped up by your brain its very very hard to resist eating to the point that 99% of people will eat due to these hardwired impulses.

So its not just a matter of executive control for being overweight. In fact your body regulating ghrelin production matters more. But all in all its the same idea: we dont have conscious control over it like others believe

AND THEN my good people. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? IT MEANS THAT we shouldnt be putting the blame on the individual for being fat but the processes in which got people fat. Do you know what breaks the bodies ability to regulate these processes? Eating lots of artificial junk food starting from a young age. Why do we get mad at fatties for being fat when society is the proverbial drug dealer hooking all the kids up to mcdonalds, breaking their bodies, and making them lifelong food addicts.

>>76416886

>>76416919
Funny meme but in reality the midwit would be ragecrying proclaiming "banana look I said a random word thats free will"

>>76416886
That part is very true. I saw this obrse kid on tv once who had type 2 diabetes as a small kid... all because her mom fed him ultraprocessed foods from a very early age. The result was his body was already permanenetly unable to burn that fat before even leaving school.

>>76416951
>The result was his body was already permanenetly unable to burn that fat before even leaving school.
You don't know that

>>76416550 (OP)
>toxic exposure
I concur with this being here since 2007 something. fucked up everything.

>>76416928
Not at all. You are the midwit.

>>76416966
Very poor use of your ""free will"" demonstrating your midwit status

>>76416776
Underrated answer. "Capacity of self control" is pseud and reductionist. Reducing the problem to a single axis immediately pits your theory against millions of counter-examples.

Know yourself. Everybody wants to ask how they can stop X. Nobody wants to ask themselves why they really even do it in the first place.

>>76416550 (OP)
For me it was habitual overeating and habitually eating goyslop. One time I bought a pizza then in the middle of eating it I realized I don't even really feel like pizza. Once you start eating mindfully it doesn't really take willpower to lose weight. I ate like 1/4 cup of ice cream yesterday because I realized as I was eating the last bite wasn't nearly as good as the first.

>>76416863
“Innocent” addictions like social media, gaming, and eating can seriously undermine your chance of success. Watching some programmers on youtube have taught me something: almost every day they stream six to ten hours, and spending that time strictly reading documentation and writing code, no music, no gaming, no social media, and no gorging yourself into a food coma.

If you want to excel at something, you must commit long, uninterrupted hours to your work.

>>76416837
>I have no control over my weight!
>I was destined to be fat!

>>76416951
>permanenetly unable to burn that fat
Biologically impossible and pure fatty cope
>>76416978
Not the other guy, but I agree with him. You are the midwit.
>>76416837
All of those things can be controlled. Every choice you make matters and just because it's cumulative does not relieve the principal from responsibility. Self-discipline is just as much about consciously optimizing the conditions for exercising it as it is about actually exercising it.

>>76416725
>everything sucks
good.

>>76417956
no its not retard I am explaining why most people can't resist junk food. Their life drains all of their willpower and they don't have anything left to resist bad food.

>>76416550 (OP)
Yeah or just a lot of fucking stress. Before kids I had a six pack, now I'm morbidly obese

>>76417963
Willpower is not a stat like mana you fuggen nerd
It doesn't drain, you can at any point just have more willpower, its all in your head

>>76417977
Will power is literally like a video game stat. Its actually hard to believe how intuitive it is.

>>76417963
Bro let the autista be. They don't have 3 kids and do 60 hour work weeks + house renovations, yet they got it all figured out. I've finally landed a position which will reduce my working hours substantially and I'm now finally seeing some light in the tunnel. I'm gonna get back to my gym diet and start working out cause I'll have the energy and time to do it. I'm in bed now. Since 5 am I've either worked, cleaned or cooked or played with my kids, washed them up and read for then. So far today I've had 40 minutes of rest, it's 9:15 pm. I usually have 6 of these days a week. The 7th is for cleaning, laundry and shopping for the next week and taking the kids to something fun. The only coping mechanism I have to survive this is tasty stuff. Life before kids was so fucking easy I understand delusional people (or people who give away their kids to institutions most of the time or have relatives that help out a lot) think that you should have time for all this easy peasy. I just don't, i need to stop working this much to be able to diet and work out. And I'm gonna now.

>>76417977
I also suggest you look into what happens when they split the hemispheres of the brain. They will have people literally doing shit and then their brain will just make up an explaination for why they do the shit. Like many of your decisions are made subconsciously and then they are only justified consciously.

Some of this is apparent with dreams where, no matter silly shit happens, the justification engine in your brain will make it appear rational. Also when someone tells you are snoring and you are 100% sure that you were not asleep and could not be snoring.

The brain just does not work how you think it does

>>76416676
>Recomendations on how to improve executive function
I'm reading through pic related and so far it's pretty good. I know that on this board willpower is the end all, be all for all your problems, but the author makes some pretty compelling arguments why raw willpower is a bad solution to long-term problems and how you can instead make healthy decisions more attractive or automatic so you don't have to suffer and force your way through your desired routine.

>>76416676
call yourself gay every time you feel like bitching out of something

>>76418130

>>76417550
Midwits will never understand the "humans have no free will argument". It requires them to suspend disbelief that their senses are lying to them and that their conscious stream of thoughts isnt the one calling the shots but simply the messenger

>>76416550 (OP)
So what's this say about the 100,000 years of pre-civilization evolution?

Yes you're biology, natural inclinations, environment, habits, and various other factors can inhibit your decision making, causing you to do things you regret. However, you are ultimately responsible for yourself and your life and you'll be surprised how many of these things you can learn to work around or even change. Losing weight is the example being used in the thread so I'll use it too.
Fatties are fat because of problems (stress, low standards for themselves, pure hedonism rather than idealism, just plain ignorant to the dangers of obesity) which manifest in the form of poor eating. Even if you temporarily suppress these problems and lose the weight, they will return and you will gain the weight again (see that statistic saying 80-95% of dieters regain the weight after a few years). If you want to lose weight, you have to confront these problems and ultimately change yourself, not just what you eat. this is in your control whether you accept it or not.
in short, you're fat because you're a retard and/or a loser and need to get a grip.
also OP types like a faggot
>>76416725
>>wake up unnaturally early
try going to bed early too genius?
>>force yourself to shit shower and shave
>unnaturally demanding lifestyle
nigga...
>>force yourself to lay in bed even though you aren't really sleepy
you telling me you're waking up 'unnaturally early' but you're wide awake when you should be falling asleep? fix your sleep.
>>76416886
>noooo brooo it's societies fault Jaquis robbed that gas station and shot the clerk 3 times in the head! WE failed HIM
>>76416928
>no u
>>76416788
>>76416837
>>see, im fat because of things i cant control!
>stress
>food
>traumas and buried feelings
lmao, are you a woman?

>>76419755
You are just barking like a rabid dog. None of the things you wrote are meaningful.

>>76416550 (OP)
Do you guys every get lectured by fatties on what's healthy? I had my fat cousin telling me that the pasta I'm eating is bad because it's not organic. These people are retarded

>>76419864
okay

>>76416676
Stop browsing 4chasns

>>76417479
>social medial
4chan is the final mental gainz goblin. I have my facebook deactivated. But i cime here less every week. I find that when my life is going well i stay away from this place.

>>76416919
When everything we "want" to do is literally an answer to a call, a knee jerk reaction to the situation we are in, can we seriously claim we have free will? The answer/reaction being more or less sophisticated doesn't change the fact that it's still just the result of something we don't truly control.