Is this THE WORST advice you can give to someone who is just getting into lifting? It seems to be delibarately insidious. Are the people who give this advice just getting rid of the competition?

this is what I do

>>76420824 (OP)
eat a whole bunch is most egregious when the average untrained person, even in their 20s, is already overweight

>>76420824 (OP)
>deadlift, squats, ohp, bench
So do the 4 exercises that will grow the least amount of muscle on the upper body (only thing that matters) and most likely injure you? Also eat a ton of food so you get fat? What a great fucking advice.

More proof you impotent millennials are seething at every second of life because you did nothing while modernity passed you by and you chose to be a cuck
What a fucking faggot ass bitch lmaooo
Bro is down bad and needs to have sex so bad he thinks a failed opinion will help a woman hold his hand kek
OP thinks disinformation is cute because he hates himself so much from being a failure he has to be a bitch and shit on everyone else's parade
Tell ya what redditposter, find the closest yet tallest building you can find and do a flip

>>76420884
I have a gf nigga and im not a millennial. I made this post right after i had sex.

>another dyel redditor fag OP got filtered by the big 4
kek you love to see it

>>76420824 (OP)
I tell everyone to use the cables and do the gay, chest supported shit every blown up, weak AF red faced roider does (who dyels actually think they can mimic without the roids) so they stay out of my deadlift platform

>>76420824 (OP)
What's wrong with it? Those are all basic body movements anyone should be able to do, and doing them as a beginner will give you a good basis of strength to start out with.
No one said to do ONLY those exercises, or to do them forever, or to autistically chase them for a 1 rep max, or to overeat past the point where you build muscle but get fat instead.
If that's what you thought, that's on you.

What is good advice then?

76420967
Fuck you

>>76420849
The whole eat big to get big dreamer bulking was being promoted by roiders online, but they never mentioned that they were roiding, because it works for roiders, but natties with average genetics tend to put on too much fat doing this.

>>76420961
Do that and in 6 months you'll have no arms, no shoulders, no back, little bit of chest and large plump juicy ass. If thats your goal, all the power to you.

>>76420984
You don't do only those exercises and nothing else for 6 months. Thanks for agreeing with me, retard.

I will continue to do these exercises and eat food. These are good exercises and if you want mass/strength you will need to eat food. Don't be a retard, of course there is nuance but I think this is solid advice for a beginner.

>>76420824 (OP)
>>76420849
you faggots hate strength training and being in the gym

Compounds are the most efficient way to build strength and muscle as a base, they are the bread and butter. You can always add accessories or use machines once you're past that beginner stage (or add very few, as long as they don't interfere with recovery). The routine will have very little impact on how you look after your first few months. If you look like shit after a basic routine built around the big lifts you would have also looked like shit following any other routine.

>>76420824 (OP)
I switched from following all the advise on /fit/ and youtube, to doing basically what that reddit post says and working at half as much, and I've suddenly exploded in size and strength and I feel alot better.

>>76420967
>get the RP Hypertrophy app
>count CICO through another app
>biiiiiiiig streeeetch
>cross your fingers and hope the apps' made up numbers somehow make sense

>>76420934
>based coomer

I just do pushups and rows. What will that get me?

>>76421161
Not very far if you don't know how to progress them and don't eat right

When I was in high school the coaching staff had us lifting 4x6 and we would re test our 1rep max every 2 weeks. Did all the heavy compounds and then a circuit training to get a massive pump in auxillary lifts as well as some cardio gains. I dont remember what the split was I think it was upper, lower, rest upper, lower.

To this day that was the best program I ever did. Me and all my bros were strong as fuck. I just never could bench that heavy or squat that heavy without a spotter and I alwasy did more of a bodybuilder type program afterwords.

>>76420824 (OP)
This is good advice if you want to get fat. Perhaps there are people who's objective is to be fat as fuck and they look for advice.

>>76421455
You don't like lifting or getting strong and are gay. Fuck off.

So if you you shouldnt follow a full body beginner barbell program if you completetely new to lifting like stronglift or ss then what fucking routine should one choosr

>>76420984
It's called STARTING STRENGTH you fucking faggot. You do it for a few weeks to build up basic coordination and core / stabilizer strength, then you do other shit. Jesus Christ you mongoloids are even stupider than 12 years ago.

>>76420866
There isn't a single exercise that you listed that has a high chance of injury or barely grows muscle. You're fucking retarded with a sub3plate bench and it shows.

>>76420849
>>76420976
You can gain muscle on a deficit.
That's the final TRVTHNVKE.
It's gonna be slow as fuck and nowhere near optimal whatsoever.
But it works, because your body needs to keep itself alive and responds with growth at the cost of tissue you don't need.
We need to hunt down the faggots who keep preaching (((bulking))).

>>76420824 (OP)
All I do is Deadlift, Squat, Bench, OHP and Chinups. It just werks.

>>76420824 (OP)
It's mainly the indiscriminate over-eating that is most egregious, which as already mentioned is roider broscience. People generally have no concern for food quality and in many ways lifters are even worse. It's pretty common for lifters to deride home cooked food in favour of consuming powders, bars and garbage like oats. The advice should be to improve food quality and eat wholefoods with excellent nutrient bioavailability.

>>76421913
post body

>>76420824 (OP)
best advice is lift moderately and dont stuff your face. you will get there eventually. if fat ride bike

>>76420824 (OP)
>"Yeah man, deadlifts, squats, ohp, bench, chin-ups n pull up's with full ROM and controlled eccentric while eating alot of protein in a slight caloric surplus/deficit"

Fix'd. Anyone else is so wrong.

>>76420824 (OP)
Ok what exercises should I be doing then?

>>76421487
95% of wrist injuries come from OHP and it doesn't grow your shoulders. 70% of lower back snapping comes from deadlifts and other 30% comes from squats both are shitty lifts for hypertrophy. Dont even get me started on the bench that literally kills people. Only compounds beginners should be doing are some type of row and chin up/pull ups.

>>76421963
>food quality
Literally doesn't matter. If the macros are the same, eating mcdonalds and eating homecooked grandma's meal will lead to same gains.

>>76422008
Not even remotely true, micronutrients matter a whole lot. Once I started eating loads of raw yogurt, raw eggs, forest honey, steak tartare and raw liver my recovery became amazing and I could train everyday no problem and my lifts and muscle gains exploded with zero plateu, it feels like I’m on a light roid circle.

I usually gatekeep this but you’re not gonna do it so I might as well share. This is the only way to make fast gains as a natty.

>>76421995
big ones (dl sq push press bp) + auxiliary lifts (e.g. rows romanian deadlift, incline bp, bp with pause) + isolation work (curls, lat pulldowns, etc.)

>>76421977

>>76422006
>95% of wrist injuries come from OHP
what?
>it doesn't grow your shoulders
saying it doesn't grow your shoulders is retard. are there more efficient methods yes
> 70% of lower back snapping comes from deadlifts
learn how to brace
>both are shitty lifts for hypertrophy
squats shitty for hypetrophy? are you stupid? sure if you have long femurs it won't grow your quads but it will grow your butt

>>76421148
Truth nvke. If it was for /fit/ beginners would be doing deadlifts and OHPs every day

>>76421963
>>76422035
Reg Park Breakfast
A glass of fresh orange juice Fruit: paw-paw (papaya) & banana,
Cooked Oatmeal (large soup plate full) with full cream/whole milk & fresh cream
A plate of bacon, eggs, tomato and toast
A couple of cups of tea

Are you bigger than Reg?

>>76420824 (OP)
It's not the worst. Big compounds so they get their form down and start to get the hang of it.

Then they complexify and add weighted calisthenics (if they go down my route).

Full body, three days a week, bliss.

I only agree with barbell bench press, when I was a dumb beginner bench carried the living shit out of my upper body, that shit will grow chest, triceps, biceps, front delts, forearm and even back to some extent.
Lately I've swapped to dumbbells for bench but I like to do 3 months barbell 3 months dumbbell with some periodization.

>>76420968
who are you replying to?

>>76422489
>bench will grow forearms
These are the type of retards i share my board with.
>>76422035
Placebo bullshit

>>76422489
bench press is shit if you have long arms

>>76422602
I have long arms and ye always struggled with bench, what's the solution, just do db instead?

>>76422602
It's actually better because you are doing more work per repetition, it's just harder to recover from and display strength.

>>76420824 (OP)
>yeah man, just do the 4 most useless and unnecessary lifts from a hypertrophic standpoint if you wanna get aesthetic

>>76422161
Are you as lean as him at his peak?
If not you have no business eating like he allegedly did.

>>76422634
No and you're right, if I did I would quickly become morbidly obese. My point was that all these silver-era behemoths ate to fuel a steamroller, just good old hearty farmer food. Meat and eggs, yes, but also a shit-ton of grains and potatoes. I think organ meat is fantastic and food quality absolutely matters. It's obvious that the most anabolic state your body can be in is not just achieved by calories but also an abundance of micronutrients and a robust microbiome. But anyone who rags on oats is retarded and whatever nutrients are lost from cooking are easily compensated by nutrients that become more bioavailable.

>>76422630
yea but all the work goes into triceps and biceps
i almost never feel the chest during/after bench press
>>76422619
its probably not worth dropping completely because its easy to progress (unless you are going to a gym with an aisle of dumbbells)
but probably yes you should include db bench press or some other pecs work
in theory long arms is actually a buff on db bench press because you can get a bigger stretch at the bottom which should result in bigger gains
i personally enjoy OHP more and made it my "main" lift and keep BP as auxiliary for OHP

>>76422602
>>76422619
Widen your grip.

>>76422759
isn't wide grip snap city for your shoulders?

>>76420824 (OP)
sounds like the advice of a fat powersharter

>>76420849
Most people aren't fat because they overeat, they are fat because they only eat hypercaloric slop.
It's very hard to actually get fat eating actual food even if you eat a lot, specially if you exercise.

>>76422773
For me wider grip lessens the strain on my shoulders.

>>76422802
>Most people aren't fat because they overeat, they are fat because they overeat
Really makes you think.

>>76420824 (OP)
Those lifts are good, but obviously you're missing pull-ups.

>>76422006
Dyel detected