Recently I started getting into /fa/ and this made me think if /fit/ isn't overdoing it.
Don't get me wrong, health is very important and going to the gym regularly is a great habit, but it made me wonder if going through years and years of cutting + bulking isn't just chasing diminishing returns.
Most of the time, our bodies will be covered in clothes (and a bit of cutting should be enough to look shredded for the beach season) and being overly muscular will just make picking the right clothes more expensive and difficult.
And going to the gym isn't even a social activity where we would meet new people and gain social capital. We just train for ourselves and simulate friendship by talking to random strangers on an anime forum.
So yeah, not really seeing the return of investment here.

>>76449414 (OP)
>being overly muscular
not realistic for majority of men. Only steroids and genetically gifted people become overly muscular

>And going to the gym isn't even a social activity where we would meet new people and gain social capital.
Yes it is. I met tons of new people and made new friends by doing it.

>We just train for ourselves and simulate friendship by talking to random strangers on an anime forum.
Maybe you.

>>76449426
>not realistic for majority of men. Only steroids and genetically gifted people become overly muscular
This is another thing that bugs be about the /fit/ lifestyle. I looked into the side effects of steroids and I am simply not willing to take those risks. That means that by committing to this lifestyle as a natty lifter, I am putting myself into a competition with roiders, a competition that I can only lose. It just rubs me the wrong way.

>Yes it is. I met tons of new people and made new friends by doing it.
I would be curious to know how you did this. From my experience, most people have their earphones in and just want to train in peace. I made a few approaches but it always led nowhere. I do have regular smalltalk with some of the staff, but that's it.

>>76449414 (OP)
>yeah, not really seeing the return of investment here.
If you didn't invest in bitcoin back when it was <100$ you can't see roi if it hit you in your shrimp sized peepee

>trolls on /fit/ say exercise is pointless focus on clothes
>trolls on /fa/ say fashion is pointless focus on exercise
lol

>>76449414 (OP)
10 years ago I watched a guy do the "Walking 10 hours as a woman" thing that went viral but as a male model instead. What stuck out to me was he is literally wearing a white tshirt and jeans and gets tons of head turns.

Basic grooming and very basic fashion sense but slightly tight clothes on a /fit/ man will pull more women than some ungroomed fat retard who does zero to take care of their body who went shopping for clothes.

>>76449778
compare it to this

>>76449778
>Basic grooming and very basic fashion sense but slightly tight clothes on a /fit/ man will pull more women than some ungroomed fat retard who does zero to take care of their body who went shopping for clothes.
I totally agree. We should take care of our body, but it feels to me that there is a point of diminishing returns and that building our lives around fitness is not the optimal way forward.

>>76449825
>building our lives around fitness
nigga you only need to go to the gym twice a week for an hour to maintain, we both know you spent more time than that neurotically refreshing this thread already

>>76450018
>twice a week for an hour
I prefer 4 a week.
Legs -> Chest -> Deadlifts -> Shoulders

There's supposed to be a cardio day in there to make it 5 but I never do it since I have a 20 foot hot tub with a river jet to swim against that I use for about 30 minutes a day after or before my workouts

>>76449825
If you do swimming or climbing and have high testosterone, you will already have the perfect body for 90% of women. Gym alternative: OHP 1pl8, get abs, and do 20 pullups.

>>76450403
I already do climbing, the problem is that my progress is bottlenecked by grip strength and skin. Plus, specific muscle groups, like chest, wont get hit during climbing at all.

>>76449414 (OP)
Damn I haven’t seen this image in years.

>>76449414 (OP)
>isn't just chasing diminishing returns
Yes, but what else can you do? There is nothing else that is fun.

>>76449452
Dog you just have severe insecurity issues, I mean this as an earnest criticism. If you want to view it as a competition, you are already losing to the gearheads whether you're working out or not. Lift to be healthy and to look the way you want, but figure out what you want to look like first so you aren't chasing the dragon all the way to a needle and still insecure afterward.
As for you cold approaching people at the gym, that will almost never work in any context unless you are particularly charismatically gifted. Most everyone else is at the gym to work out, you should be too. But if you're there 3 times a week, you're probably going to accidentally bump into someone, or see a sticker on someone's water bottle, and that can start a conversation. If you go searching for 4 leaf clovers in a wheat field, you will probably fail. But if you thresh wheat all your life, you will absolutely find a few

>>76449783
Imagine turning down the monopoly man, enjoy your high hotel rents stupid femoids

>>76449414 (OP)
> diminishing returns
Yes; but the act of lifting produces GH (sprinting too but lifting is practically better), which is VERY important for health, not to mention other benefits (strength, size, flexibility, endurance, coordination).

>being overly muscular will just make picking the right clothes more expensive and difficult.
Half-true. Suit jackets are the only real problem. I'm big and I've very little problem with clothes - I mostly wear pants with tucked-in tees and shirts. Sometimes vests.

>social activity
I had coaches and other gym goers approach me and strike up a conversation. I also had people at events single me out to talk to me about health&fitness. It also gives me presence, I am spergy but because I am relaxed and big people mistake that for alphaness or something.

>return on investment
Highest RoI activity so far for me.

>>76449452
I don't roid and I am larger than several roiders I know. A natty who is serious about lifting will look better than a roider who half-asses it.

>>76449414 (OP)
>diminishing returns
For most people, absolutely. Having a functional degree of strength and fitness looks and feels good, but the bar for women to notice you and men to respect you is pretty low outside of niche places like this where anything short of a bodybuilder's physique is a disappointment. I'm scarcely above DYEL mode by /fit/ standards but get plenty of compliments on my body, maybe because I'm an unassuming bookish introvert who doesn't like to show off, and a decent build is an unexpected bonus. Meanwhile by counting on your muscles as your big draw you risk getting boxed by stereotypes you brought upon yourself (a la a woman who gets breast implants and then complains that men are pigs), and generally courting very superficial people. If that works for you, go for it, but it's sad to see so many people convince themselves it's the only path for a man to be wanted.

>>76449414 (OP)
Not all the fitness advice here is conducive to health, but what is healthy is not shoving things up your ass or dressing up in trashy clothing.
Most gay men have to wear diapers by the time they're 30 because they can't keep themselves from shitting their pants.

>>76450624
>Most gay men have to wear diapers by the time they're 30 because they can't keep themselves from shitting their pants.
Where do people get these bizarre ideas? I've been taking fat cock for decades and that system works just as well as it ever did. It's not true of a single one of my gay friends, either. If you hate us you shouldn't have to spin fantasies to make us look bad.

>>76449778
The real /fa/ is just doing variations of this outfit - different colour jeans, different colour t-shirt, different style (crew neck, v-neck, henley), different shoes. Once you've found a brand that does basics that fit your body well, just buy your clothes from there. Anything else is just falling for marketing and FOMO (which is just a form of meta-marketing). You need a good physique to pull it off well

>>76449414 (OP)
how do i get a cute trans gf

>>76449452
It sounds like you've come to a conclusion prior to making the thread, friend. That said, it is perhaps better not to view it as a competition against other but instead yourself. As often said, it's best to only check in on the bowl of another to make sure he has enough to eat.

However, if you did view it as a competition, you'd be competing against the average man - not Chris Bumstead. Does the fact that you're not Michael Phelps prevent you from swimming or that you couldn't defeat Magnus Carlson in chess make you give up on chess? What matters most is your fitness relative to the your local meta.

>>76450545
>>76450787
Maybe I am failing to get my point across, but bodybuilding is different from other fields in that there is a magic pill that will make you progress way faster than competition, as long as you are willing to take the risk. And as this guy >>76450623 pointed out, after some point, you are not competing against the average joe, but within a very specific subgroup, with certain stereotypes attached to it.

What you said about competing with yourself resonates with me, however, I do wonder if building our lives around fitness is not a failure to get out of our comfort zone and explore new venues.
Also, you are correct that I already came to a conclusion, but I created this thread to have my opinion challenged and as a sort of sanity check, to see if I am not missing out any blindspots.

>>76450455
NTA, but weighted pushups and pullups on the hangboard helped In my case.

>>76449414 (OP)
Does anybody have the comic where /fit/ and /fa/ are boyfriends? I thought it was very cute but didn't save it ;_;

>>76450884
Perhaps I mistook your meaning. When you speak of competition, are you referring to being compared with others in your everyday life or professional bodybuilding? If it's the latter, I could better understand your perspective. Though, I train for health / aesthetics as opposed to glory.

Regarding the latter point, I don't believe training / diet places to great a demand on one's life, at least not to the point where I've ever found it stifling. Between lifting and cardio, I perform maybe 6 hours a week of exercise during the work week and have arranged my habits in such a way that eating clean (most of the time) and getting good sleep (most of the time) have become automatic. Work, study, time with friends, etc. are rarely ever impeded by it.

I suppose what I'm getting at is this - if you we're training, what would you realistically be doing that you otherwise wouldn't be able to? Once that's considered, ask yourself if that time and effort spent is truly the limiting factor.

>>76450640
You make yourselves look bad, speaking as a former sex addict
>Disease risk
>Incontinence
>Abuse
>Physical trauma
>Histrionics
>Damage to chemical pair bonding
>Promiscuity
>Almost all caused by porn or some other malformation
Get help. You don't hear about the gay men who wear diapers because they are rightfully ashamed of themselves, as you should be.
Nothing you do is natural or healthy.

>>76450479
as a tranny it is true. I much prefer femboy men that are slightly muscular and lean over big roided muscley guys.

>>76449414 (OP)
>health is very important
This is very explicitly not a health board, posting health topics will get you banned.

>>76449414 (OP)
>don't get fit you just need to dress well!
>don't bother dressing well you just need to get fit!

the real answer is do both. If you get fit and become that guy that just wears tight shirts then you're literally on the bottom rung of the ladder (you weren't on the ladder before.) Learning how to dress a /fit/ body is what makes you godlike.

>>76449414 (OP)
> will just make picking the right clothes more expensive and difficult.

Who cares, clothes are meant to fit you properly not the other way around.

> return of investment here
You notice it when almost everybody inevitably at some point brings up lifting because you have a noticeably good physique. You don't need to bulk or cut constantly. A lean bulk where you sometimes do a micro cut is ideal for a natty. The 10-20% bodyfat zone is best for developing muscle, the 10-14% zone looks best for a natty.

>>76449452
> I am putting myself into a competition with roiders

It isn't a competition though unless you want to do pro bodybuilding in which case you need steroids. You do have natural bodybuilding but that's only really accessible to people with certain genetics. The genetics to be able to develop a lot of muscle but also to be able to hold on to it when cutting down to a 3% or lower bodyfat. There's quite a variance in natties in how much they lose when cutting.

That is in addition to the usual differences in ability to pack on muscle.

>>76449414 (OP)
If all you care about is how you look then you don't actually need to do that much. /fit/ is still important for /fa/ because /fit is the hanger the clothes sit on. You can have all the designer clothes you want, it doesn't matter if you look frumpy and have bad posture/a double chin and thin neck

>>76452167
will you ever be a woman?

>>76452283
>will you ever be a woman?
already am tubby

>Most of the time, our bodies will be covered in clothes
>I started getting into /fa/

and you haven't registered that your build determines basically everything about fashion and appearance?

>>76449414 (OP)
The gym bubble needs to burst already, this lifting culture exists merely because people are trying to outlift the shortcomings of their face, which of course is futile.

All you need at home is a pull-up bar (or less) to get a passable body. Everything worth lifting for is reliant on your skeletal frame, which also you cannot outlift. Most gymcels arent really gonna be interested in socializing with other gymcels so its probably time to hop over that fence you've been riding and just workout at home. Clothing is dependent on your skeletal frame and proportions, muscle mass does very little to combat this fact.

Being /fit/ is the easiest way to make every fit work. Every actor and actress who aren't some kind of intentionally fat character actor works out. You /fa/ game has to be exponentially better to make fits work when you aren't fit and if you were fit you fits would fit better.

>>76452294
you have a crooked feminine benis?

>>76449414 (OP)
>this made me think if /fit/ isn't overdoing it.
maybe you should hit up /lit/ or something

>>76452209
This is where I stand right now. I only ever where slim fit shirts, but I have the feeling that I am trying to compensate my lack of fashion sense with showing off my body.

>>76452250
Interesting picture. Is it supposed to show that clothes matter more than face?

>>76449414 (OP)
Bullshit.
At work I see people who are worse physically than me but dress extremely sharp and girls simply don’t care about them.
Meanwhile I am a bit fit (DYEL) but dress in simple jeans and shirts and I get a lot of attention.