>uhhh trust me vro judo is totally about skill and not brute strength

>>76458218 (OP)
In what style does size not matter?

>>76458221
BJJ
Oh wait. Werdum was a 4 time world champ. It's just a coincidence he was 6'4 and not 5'9.

>>76458218 (OP)
Technique is nothing without strength, it is just a efficient application of strength. Bjj people have a stupid hate on strength and truly believe technique is everything

>>76458221
>In what style does size not matter?
The less rules it has, the less size matters. Check out early UFCs. More rules = more emphasis on strength and weight and no opportunity to avoid either. Hence why Teddy retired, he was invincible only under a certain rule set and he knew that. We have seen during the last Olympics what happens when the opponent ignores the rules.

>>76458224
ummm mickey mouse johnson beat a gassed brown belt really late in atournament who wasnt trying once
consider yourself intellecftually armbarred (checkmate)

>>76458218 (OP)
>leg grabs are the best way to take down a large opponent
>ban leg grabs
judosissies, not like this...

>>76458218 (OP)
There's not a single sport that's purely about skills. That's why weight classes are a thing. No amount of skills or experience can make up for a >20 kg difference.

Judo weight classes usually have a 10kg range (73-81 kg, 81-90, 90-100...), but the heavyweight class has no upper limit. It's 100kg and above. Teddy Rinner weighs 145 kg, so that's a massive 45 kg difference with the lightest fighters in the class. Rinner can literally just grab them and throw them with no technique.

The problem isn't judo but Olympics weight classes. In a normal world, the heavyweight class should have an upper limit. And Rinner should either make the cut or fight against guys his weight.

It's called weapons, you stupid zoomers. You think humans rule the planet because of their physical strength?

>>76458218 (OP)
It is less so compared to pretty much every other grappling style, but even then, if you're too weak to compete, go get stronger.
I don't get the fixation some fightfags have with staying weak.

>>76458418
>No amount of skills or experience can make up for a >20 kg difference.
Idiot.

>>76458218 (OP)
Bro is actually really fucking skilled he just doesn't have to use it.

>>76458262
Well it depends right. Strength matters but only when technique is equal. A super technical guy should be able to beat a big brute that doesn't know what they're doing. That's the whole point of BJJ. If a white belt can go into a gym and beat a blue belt, the gym isn't teaching them anything.

>>76458546
im more skilled than him

>>76458538
You're the idiot. Even untrained 80kg men can crush 60kg fighters. Now imagine 145 kg vs 110 kg, both professionally trained in judo.

>>76458607
Could Bradley Martin (260lbs) beat Nate Diaz?

>>76458553
Not that anon, but strength surplus can make up for a technique deficit up to a point. And that deficit likely diminishes as the person on the other gets more experienced (including but not limited to better technique). Imagine a brute with no knowledge of BJJ versus a lanklet that has been to his first BJJ class, clearly the brute can just pound the shit out of the lanklet. After lanklet's 100th class the will have more trouble with the lanklet, may likely even get choked out for his trouble. During which, of course, lanklet has also become more athletic and stronger, through the training stimulus, let's not neglect that either. Obviously this is all very difficult to quantify and good training (again including but not limited to better technique) is still the gold standard but equal technique is a cope to some extent, we see very technical fighters getting their shit kicked in by other technical fighters that are just more athletic in MMA, perhaps that is more prevalent in amateur matches.
TLDR; train technique AND attributes

>>76458218 (OP)
oh alright dolph lundgren youre like a cyborg

>>76458758
but prime mike though?

>>76458218 (OP)
id give it to a muay thai pro to just lift elite tier for 2-3 years and be able to dominate hw ufc.

strength and the cultivation of size is a skill

>>76458218 (OP)
That is not a Frenchman

>>76458418
Golf?

>>76458354
Which is why something like sumo is infinitely more fun to watch than judo or BJJ. You'd think size matters a lot there but then some small cunt slaps one of the big cunts in the face just so while using flawless technique and momentum and the next moment the big cunt is launched into the audience.

>>76458363

I 100% believe the French were behind the leg grab van, just to protect Riner and his star power.

>>76459899
I think it was Japs being assmad when that happened

>>76458354
What rule? And why would they ignore it if it's just gonna disqualify them?

>>76458807
vs bruce lee though? without help from braddu pittu?

>>76459926
actually they did it to gatekeep Judo and not have it turn to wrestling

>>76458354
>We have seen during the last Olympics what happens when the opponent ignores the rules.
what happened?

>>76459376
He is he competed on the French national team and won Gold

>>76462028
And?
He is not French

>>76462081
He has French citizenship, he's French

>he's not white
OK so are black people in America not American?

>>76462183
>He has French citizenship, he's French
No?

>>76458218 (OP)
>i dont do martial arts guys
ok cool
thanks for wasting everyones time

>>76462183
>He has French citizenship, he's French
Wrong
A piece of paper does not define true citizenship, it is determined by heritage and blood that matches the standard appearance and culture of the nation
An African will never be European no matter how well he integrates, because he has no true European blood or ancestry
>OK so are black people in America not American?
Yes, they are African
America was founded on white European ideals and culture, anything that does not align with that is not American

>>76462183
>He has French citizenship, he's French
Here you've conflated the "state" with the "nation"
Allow me to explain
Historically a territory is occupied by a nation. A nation is the body of ethnically-united people who are heirs and claimants to the rightful ownership of the territory.
States grew as a means of the nation or nations of a territory to administer their affairs. States were supposed to protect their nation(s), but this distinction was lost. The concept of the state drowned out the existence of the nation. The state instead began to define the "legality" of persons occupying the territory. Thus an african (a member of an african nation, a body of ethnically-united people such as the Yoruba) can be "French" based purely on the state declaring that it won't forcibly remove him from the territory. But this doesn't make him a member of the French nation - the French people, who have in the main occupied the territories now collected as "France" for generations beyond count.

>>76463199
That definition is outdated. French means French and there is no distinction anymore.

>>76458418
People from my 600 pound life would be the greatest ufc fighters to ever live

Size and strength matters a lot but so do other physical factors.

If prime ronnie coleman trained for ufc for lets say 2 years he could easily lose to many other ufc fighters with similar experience due to the fact that his endurance is gonna be garbage compared to other smaller ufc fighters.

If someone is able to leverage having less mass than who they are fighting then they could rely on tiring out their opponent.

>>76463566
Can‘t outdate biological reality

>>76458218 (OP)
I heard the sweet spot for the greatest heavyweights in MMA is around 235-245lb. Anything less you’ll be too small but anything over and your cardio and technique will start to suffer.

>>76458218 (OP)
>This giganigga is the only giganigga in judo, he never has to face anyone his size and strength thus he never has to use technique.
>Also there aren't manlets in judo so technique literally doesn't exist

>>76464174
MMA you need to grapple and being too tall can affect your center of gravity but in something like boxing length is more important.

>>76458363
https://youtube.com/shorts/tUlMajHC0L8?si=Z5SSeTo6AUNbQcT5
Shohei ono throwing riner.

>>76458218 (OP)
French judo is the most technical form of judo after japanese judo, french judo is the only form of western judo that doesn't rely purely on strength unlike georgian, russian and even Mongolian judo that are all about raw power.
French judokas just happen to be gigganiggas though.

>>76458363
https://youtube.com/shorts/x1HsGrJ18hQ?si=ZCqhwaSIxiTiIRqF
Wrestling guys are afraid of wrestling bigger guys.

>>76464230
>French judokas just happen to be gigganiggas though
majority of french people are brown and black kek

>>76464200
Judo is a meme sport. A lot of countries don't even have good teams and in America you can barely find a gym.

But I wanna learn judo bc idk anything about grappling just striking :(

>>76458224
Plus all the top atheletes in that sport are juiced to the gills

>>76464167
The concept of being French is not biology.

>>76458218 (OP)
Technique is the efficient use of strength.the better your technique is, the less strength you need.
So a weaker person can defeat a stronger person.

But the other side of the equation is:
The stronger you are, the less technique you need.

So be as strong and technical as possible.

I'm a professional fighter

>>76464607
Just learn BJJ it's the ground game for Judo and it's taught everywhere.

>>76464568
122 countries competed at the last year Olympics in judo, for reference only 63 countries competed in wrestling.

>>76464607
Don't listen to the retard, just go to a judo place, if there's no judo where you live just go to mma, learn no gi variations from jewchud and try them in mma.
If you can get to a clinch position you are almost guaranteed to get a judo throw.

>>76466092
>>76464607
Best judo in MMA is Fedor, Islam, Karo, Petr Yan, Jon Jones.

>>76459383
He said sport.

>>76463097
america was founded by native americans

>>76458218 (OP)
Anyone who practices bjj is a social autist and closet fag. This doesn't apply to all martial arts, just bjj the gayest of gays. Even power bottoms think bjj enthusiasts are fags

>>76466628
No
America as an identified nation was founded by European settlers
And if you wanna get technical, the the first ever settlers on the land were Vikings

>>76466069
They're right though a lot of American places don't have Judo just BJJ