>training for strength vs training for size
This seems contradictory. Everyone I know that has gotten stronger has also become bigger, including myself. Everyone that benches big weights has a massive chest. Everyone that squats big weights has massive legs.

Some grifters like Mike Israel spout this belief, but in practice it's simply not true

You're argument lacks evidence

>>76460163 (OP)
It's more something for advanced roiding lifters.
If you're natty, strength (unless you're training specifically to be strong at a lower body weight, but then that's on you) is size, you can ignore the whole debate.

>>76460163 (OP)
The internet is allergic to nuance

Getting stronger will make you bigger, getting bigger will make you stronger, but there is probably a way you can optimise either trait.

>>76460163 (OP)
>>76460547
Only slightly. Some of the best oly/power lifters dwarf 'natty' BB lifts by massive margins & aren't anywhere near BB sizes. The overwhelming majority of strength adaptations are neurological & technical. This is a thoroughly documented biological fact. You get more motor recruitment from strength training, you get more tissue growth from hypertrophy training. The best of the best always train everything. Your strength is capped by how much motor recruitment you can get, your total number of motor units is capped by how much hypertrophy you've experienced. They are closely connected but not entirely dependent.

>>76460577
>They are advanced
>They are roiding
>They are training specifically to be strong at a lower body weight
Let's not mix things up, if you are on dat dere celltech then you have much more recovery potential than a natty guy, and it changes the way you should train. Same for being advanced: training with the weight needed for strength will take up more of your recovery potential, so it becomes less efficient.
But that's not the average natty guy.

>>76460163 (OP)
powerlifters are fat not muscular
and just because you gained muscle as a beginner doesnt mean you can acheive bodybuilder-level physique with just powerlifting

>>76460163 (OP)
Kind of falls flat in strength sports.... Power lifters in the sub 80kg weight classes don't have large anything.

>>76460611
That's what periodization is for. Sure some roid, especially powerlifters for the numbers they do. But I would argue that very few oly lifters roid and their physiques support that assumption. Looking at relative strength, there are still very impressive & most likely natty lifters that are still on the small side.

>>76460163 (OP)
it's the other way around, everyone with good chest genetics benches big weights

>>76460857
>But I would argue that very few oly lifters roid

>>76460865
>>76460611
Look up Naim Süleymanoğlu and then make an argument for how he's roided. Dude, you're a fucking bucketcrab.

>>76460869
>inb4 hows that relevant
He is the best example of why OP is a fucking retarded for making those conclusions.

>>76460550
who's "the internet?"

>Low to mid rep range and high weight when doing compounds
>Mid to high rep range and low to medium weight when doing isolations
Is there anything wrong with this approach? Isn't this the best of both worlds?

For example, for chest
>6x3 high weight bench
>10-12 x3 pec fly, incline DB press, etc

Not trying to push your limits if just weird to me. Are people not bored by just spamming high reps only for aesthetics?

>>76460909
tell me who you are before I introduce you to "the internet".

>>76460969
how much you lift? What is your stats?

mike israel actually says things that make sense about this because it's pretty basic lmao. this is shit we knew on this board before mike israel was putting videos on youtube. how are you unaware that yes size relates to strength, no it is not perfectly, yes powerlifters get big, yes bodybuilders get strong, but they don't perfectly overlap each other?

you can't train like a bodybuilder and expect to win a powerlifting meet and you can't train like a powerlifter and expect to win a bodybuilding show. obviously for the most part working out = getting bigger = getting stronger for the most part, but for people with specific goals, i.e., athletes or people who value strength over size or whatever, you can optimize your training to meet your targets.