how did /fit/ justify recommending a lower body focused routine (SS) to people lifting for girls (98% of new lifters)

>>76484804 (OP)
especially considering you can get swole-ass legs with just str8 cardio and most of the board is roiding themselves into heart attacks.

>>76484804 (OP)
It was a different time. For a good 5 years you literally couldn't discuss lifting without wannabe powershitters wrecking any discussion with the SS worship. The aesthetics bros losing to rips cultists back then doomed a generation of lifters to trex physiques. You really have no idea just how militant people were about that shit back in the day.

It's a cult

Many people still AACKing their backs even to this day. Remove that trash from the sticky

>>76484804 (OP)
Training legs increases test. This has been well-known for decades now.

>>76484804 (OP)
This guy is undiagnosed autistic or used to use steroids, how can you be powerlifting for 20 years and never take it seriously.

no squat = no gains
we've known this fact for over a century

at this point its a pretty funny meme. Also makes me feel smart because I always thought SS was gay and retarded even when it was legitimately the consensus /fit/ advice.

>>76484902
you know how its unfair because manlets can get jacked really easy and tallfags have to work way harder?

By simply not training legs you reduce the aggregate amount of muscle your body needs to build and it makes it way easier to get a jacked upper body. It really evens the playing field for tallfags as well.

leg lifts, not even once. I train my legs with mountain biking, skiing, and walking.

>be born taller
>still complain about it
Lmao

>>76484974
lanklets are so fucking pathetic man... born with everything yet still not satisfied.

>>76484971
Your liver only makes so much protein im not hitting legs

>>76484994
>except once a month
I concede

>>76484974
I used heigh to illustrate my point about your body being limited on just the number of pounds of muscle it can build per unit time. My point went over your head, like most things manlet.

>>76484804 (OP)
>lower body focused routine (SS)
doing SS right now, ty

>>76484996
You're a whiny loser, anon

i did stronglifts 5x5 because powercleans are not that easy to teach yourself, while a tripod and a phone are enough on all the other lifts when you start with the bar on LP. I genuinely liked it. its real, measurable progress and it keeps you progressing for quite a while. when i stopped 5x5 i did HLM which i didnt enjoy as much and then i switched to 3 day texas method. got very strong and up to 215lbs while staying under 20% bf. then life and corona hit hard, i lost a lot and when i eventually went back to the gym i was still amazingly strong but enjoyed a lil bit of pump training more. did a self made strength&BB hybrid of ULxUL and got strong, huge and lean. strength training is amazing to start. Practical Programming for strength training is an amazing book for beginners, much better than SS unless you are a complete brainlet.

>>76484804 (OP)
>>76484872

Because the fitness world has a lavender mafia and the homosexuals wanted to see more guys walking around with big butts.

>>76484804 (OP)
Lower body makes you weigh more and bigger

The strength of SS and similar programs is that it forces progression. Most beginners have no idea how to push themselves hard enough and stay at the same weight for far too long. SS straight up tells you to add x amount of weight to the bar every session, so people get shocked that they're making more progress in a month on SS than they've made over the last year doing a random curlbro routine.

With that said, it would definitely be better to have the same method of progression with more upper body focused exercises.

>>76484804 (OP)
Memes.
SS is a meme.
Powershitting is a meme.
/fit/ must obey memes.

>>76484891
I think k it caught on because it’s easier to progress with strength than it is to start looking good.

Think about it. You start in the gym and central nervous system adaptation alone lets you add 90lbs to your DL in 2 weeks (or whatever). Meanwhile if you go for an aesthetics routine you don’t see any results for months. Add to this how many fat guys there are and it’s pretty obvious which route most people will choose.

>>76484902
Straight up bro science. You haven’t actually looked into it, just like everyone else who repeats this bullshit.

>>76485576
This. I don't think I've ever recommended SS without also recommending GOMAD.

>>76484804 (OP)
No one should be lifting for girls to begin with, so trolling/hazing them with the wrong answer was funny.
Counter-question: why did those asking never figure out that getting fat, squatting multiple times a week for huge legs and doing absolutely no isolation arm work wouldn't get them any closer to their goal of looking like Brad Pitt? Did you really think that's how he trains?

Because it's still the best for people starting to build strength

>>76485597
NTA but I'd like to hear your counterpoint.

I started working out around 2016 due to /fit/ praising compounds, bulking, SS and go mad. It sounded like a bulletproof way to gain strength as a forever-skinny guy. When you're a toothpick any muscle gains are appreciated, and SS does have curls and skullcrushers in the later stages so it's not like you'll end up trex mode instantly.
Also it's a decent intro into working out in general. Drill your compounds, get good at recruiting muscle fibers, manage your diet and recovery and in a few months you'll be able to make your own tailored plan that works decently well.
I don't love SS, but I don't regret doing it either.

>>76484804 (OP)
We got brainwashed by this sexual deviant

>>76485770
Yes, I have also heard that you hop on SS for only a few months to build that "base" of lifting. From there, you hop on a different program.

>>76485750
Test goes up a little bit for 30 minutes during the workout then goes back down.
I hypothesize that fluids are pulled from the blood stream into the muscle causing a pump in the large lower body muscles from squatting.
This causes blood volume to reduce temporarily in the main circulatory system, which causes the nanogram concentration of testosterone per deciliter of venous blood supply to temporarily increase due to fluid removal causing a false higher reading on a blood test when blood is sampled during this phase.
The actual total amount of testosterone in the body remains the same, just that it's ratio to blood serum increases due to temporary removal of water by the working muscles.

>>76485832
I find it hard to believe that squatting itself would stimulate such a fast rise in testosterone output from the testicles, as there is a time lag of at least an hour from when the luteinizing hormone pulse is released from the pituitary gland and testosterone being synthesized from the leydig cells of the testes baby please.

>>76485818
Well yeah, it's called starting strength for a reason. Phase 1 is 1-3 weeks, phase 2 is several weeks/ months and P3 is unspecified, but most people should be done with SS within 6 months if they don't get any major injuries.

>>76485832
I like squats because they push your body to the max in many ways. They're full body, cardio-intensive in higher reps, lots of axial and systemic fatigue and require good mobility. If you can grind through a 15rm squat set, then everything else starts to feel easy in comparison.
Also if you have trouble gaining in other areas just dial down your squats/deads and suddenly you don't need to fuel those huge muscle groups and recovery can take place in your arms/chest/felts/back etc.

For brainlets that MUST follow a program because they're that mentally slow, SS is fine. Never read or watched his content until I was 2 years into gymming and you end up basically doing 5x5s for progressive overload at some point anyway.

>>76484804 (OP)
I've been hearing about SS+GOMAD ever since i've started lurking here in 2019 and i've done multiple forms of training including weightlifting mma kickboxing and just lifting with no clear direction for a while.
I still have no idea what SS entails after all those years and i count on keeping it like that
Even when i used to binge browse /pol/ in 2020 the number 1 program natsoc troons recommended to each other was SS. Maybe it's because it sounds cool and none of them knew what it implied either lol

>>76485902
It's literally just compound lifts, A/B split, squats on both days

>>76484804 (OP)
Women love men with a good ass.

>>76484804 (OP)
That's the meme, they KNEW they were just lifting for girls, so they literally made them focus their attention on something not meant to make you look good. Then they gaslight you when you don't look aesthetic by saying you did something wrong.

>>76486010
I'm not quite sure I understood what you said but, SS was originally created by Mark Rippetoe, a Texan coach (and the coach of Mark Rippetoe was this guy named Bill Star, if I'm remember right) and it was originally, actually intended for american football players and baseball players. That was the original main purpose of SS, considering the time and place.

>>76484951
To this day he's still coping about how he could've done better if he gained weight.

What does /fit/ recommend now?

Serious answer: you didn't read the fucking book
You are not the target audience for SS.

>>76484804 (OP)
The program itself sucks dick, but the book is a good read for understanding biomechanics.
Also, there are worse programs out there. Becoming a Supple Leopard is the most hyped vaporware I have ever seen. It literally doesn't work. It's an entire book of exercises that literally do nothing at all.

>>76486169
We're blackpilled now. Just do whatever. Genetics and steroids are >90% of your results.

>>76484808
>swole-ass legs with just str8 cardio
depends on intensity

>>76484804 (OP)
It's a program you pick up for 2 or 3 months to learn the basic lifts. Anyone who kept doing "starting" strength past being a "starter" is the retard.
low IQ retards filtered by low level critical thinking

>>76486311
This, it produces results like no other and I do believe that a strength base makes gaining muscle much easier later on.

Imagine your 16 years old and do starting strength for 3-6 months with a high calorie high protein diet, getting very close to a 100kg bench and then switching to a generic bodybuilding routine.

I'd bet that the experience would make you build much more muscle than a guy that trained for aesthetics from day one, especially considering most people are lazy and overestimate their intensity. You can't fake intensity with leg days. It genuinely is very hard, especially with progressive overload.

Olde fagge here.
SS was being pushed hard even in 2008/2009 when I started lifting. At that time SomethingAwful had a pretty big fitness section on the forum and the advice was 80% SS or other x5 variants, or pictures of Arnold workouts from old magazines. The other big meme was Crossfit but even then Crossfit was associated with normies and corporate gyms were associated with noobs phoning it in.

Discussing SS is the ultimate motte and bailey. You're only SUPPOSED to do it for 3 months to get a strength base but YOU'RE ALSO not suppose to move on until you've hit some remarkable numbers on your big 3 and it is DESIGNED for high school boys on a calorie surplus during the summer but you Rippetoe teaching it to Taleb and countless boomers trying to get "fit and healthy".

>>76486169
>What does /fit/ recommend now?
Any reasonable UL, ULxPPL, or PPL that utilizes the best equipment that your gym has.

>>76486203
>Becoming a Supple Leopard is the most hyped vaporware I have ever seen. It literally doesn't work. It's an entire book of exercises that literally do nothing at all.

Agreed, but banded abstractions, popularized(?) by Starret, are a game changer for certain people.

>>76484804 (OP)
SS was correct. it was GOMAD that was troll

>>76486573
GOMAD is just an advice from Mark Rippetoe for folks who aren't fans of eating such high amounts of solid food so you can drink a gallon (can't remember the equivalent in litres) of 3% fat content chocolate milk (chocolate powder provides even more precious calories and are artificially enriched with minerals such as zinc, iron, etc.) so you get about 2000kcal. just from that and then you fill the objetive of ∼4000kcal/day with another 2000 kcal. of solid "normal" food.
GOMAD isn't mandatory nobody puts a damn loaded gun on your head to do it in order to execute the SS program. It isn't a troll.

>>76486043
It looks like he never did anything but powerlifting

>>76484804 (OP)
what is the alternative? In SS you get do upperbody 3x a week. they squat 3x5 deadlift 1x5 and ohp or bench 3x5 every training session.

What routine alternative exists that will magically get girls?

>>76484

SS is designed for teenagers, but modified SS like more volume with some accessory is pretty good for adults since it teaches the most basic and most important lifts and how to get 80 percent of gains in strength in just 2 years. Now if you wanna lift just for the summer then surely SS is bad routine, better just to do curls x infinity and some dips. But those focused long term SS is good start, but again, it needs to be modified by professional or yourself if you know what you are doing.

Squating 2 times a week is stupid, sure. But so is benching. For full recovery you need 2 days, and if you do OHP in the meantime, chances are your pecs won't recover that fast, so either OHP or Bench will stall eventually. So 3-4 times a week is sweetspot. Just do more lifts but focus on full body routine.

>>76484804 (OP)
It's neckbeards parroting stupidity

I came here back first in like 2011 and since then have made zero gains really, I can just about bench 2 plate

Recently I've realised all the obsession with squats and deadlifts is outdated troll advice. If you want a good athletic attractive strong body, look at workouts wrestlers do etc, lots of weighted pull ups and core work, basic gymnastics. I have a six pack now and feel great

>>76486311
>>76486318
bodybuilder stuff doesn't do shit. SS is what actually filters retards. Go to any commercial gym how many people know how to low bar squat perfect form or ohp maybe like 1 guy if your lucky. If your not utilizing technique right you'll never more then body weight squat or decent numbers ohp.

>>76486821
You need to bench press more than you squat or at least the same amounts you doofus
It has you do squat and deadlift on the same day but somehow doing ohp and bench on the same day will be "too taxing" lmao

>>76486865
You have days where whatever lifts the focus do it first. Its a simple concept. Good luck increasing bench without stressing the nervous system with squats or deadlifts.

>>76484804 (OP)
what would you recommend then? SL?

>>76486318
this is such a cope and i wish you people would kill yourselves

>>76486852
nobody gives a fuck how much you can squat you fat faggot / asian faggot

>>76486852
Yes, that;s what I said. You spend a few months to learn the basic lifts. Then you move on to whatever routine serves your interests.

>>76486918
I can bench 260 probably more with safety collars. Your not gonna bench high if you don't squat deadlift high. I don't know what you goofs around on about that body builder shit is all you need. Fuck I can resting curl 85 pounds.

If you guys knew what you were talking about wheres your version training for babes thats more popular then SS?

Then what routine should a beginner use? Esp one focusing on fat loss but wanna make some noob gaind not lose to much mass

>>76486169
Conjugate. It just works and can to tweaked into any layout you can think of.

>>76486189
People kept talking about reading the book instead of just saying what's in it.

>>76486030
I know I did SS when I was in high school playing football.

Original poster doesn't understand that legs are biggest muscles in body and can be trained far more frequently than chest for novices. Intermediate lifters will likely move to routines with less squatting and more upper body work, but OP will never reach that stage.

>>76486937
the 40 year old TRT + mast routine
chest + triceps
back + biceps
off
legs
shoulders + arms
off
off

throw in 40-60 minutes of incline treadmill or stairmaster after each workout

>>76488131
Bigger muscles can push more weight. More weight requires more recovery. Lower body requires more off days and needs to be trained less frequently.
The best leg-haver of the world, Tom Platz, literally trained legs once every two weeks.

>>76488140
read:
>for novices

What you're saying only applies once you start maxing out on your legs, which isn't applicable to novices who are not yet lifting heavy and can increase their numbers on squat for months before hitting a plateau.

>>76485240
Yep. Everyone who has actually done Starting Strength loves it and saw the best progress of their life.

>>76486930
>Your not gonna bench high if you don't squat deadlift high.
This is just some cultish nonsense

>>76486865
Idk man it seems like people who run the program end up with proportional lifts
ie 1/2/3/4 after however many months

>>76488270
> t.

it wasnt just ss that was shit advice

fit had people legit terrified of even WALKING because the "cardio kills your gains" meme, I remember telling people they should go for a jog around the block instead of being a fat lazy retards and they legit thought all their gains would shrivel up and disappear if they did cardio

People would share those photos of skinny marathon runners and say "this is what you will become if you do cardio", completely ignoring the fact marathon runners specifically condition their body that way on purpose so they are lighter and can run longer, also ignoring the fact that a 15 min cardio session isn't even close the same as running nonstop for 8 hours everyday

Another retarded thing was the hate for curls, how fucking retard was fit for thinking you shouldn't do bicep curls at all, like ever, period, no curls allowed, it was like some kind of sin if you did a bicep curl, people back then took pride in the fact they didnt do bicep curls, most retarded shit ever.

And machines, NO MACHINES ALLOWED, more peak retardation, want to do some cable rows NO MACHINES DO BARBELL ROWS, tricep dip machine really gets the triceps pumping but according to fit NOOO MACHINES!!

Oh you want to do abs???
NO ABS ALLOWED, SIT UPS? PLANKS? CABLE PRAYERS? NO! NO! NO! DONT YOU KNOW SQUAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO GET A SIX PACK.
YEAH IM A FAT FUCK WITH NO ABS BUT YOU SHOULD TAKE MY ADVICE BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU MY ABS ARE JUST "HIDING", JUST WAIT TILL I STOP MY 10 YEAR BULK AND DO A CUT, YOU'LL SEE BRO I HAVE ABS!!!

>>76484872
Anybody who gets twisted about noob programming is a loser.
That said, I hate the “aesthetics” DYELs who are trying to get big while benching 155 lbs

>>76484804 (OP)
Because it's one of the few resources which systematically teaches necessary foundational knowledge such as:

>technique and injury prevention
>progressive overload
>consistency of programming
>effect of nutrition

The Starting Strength program should be seen primarily as just that -- a start -- one which practices putting all the above principles together in a program.

You're not supposed to slavishly follow the program forever. If you failed to notice that it's called "starting" and that you're no longer a starter, that's on you for following it all the way to T-rex mode.

You're supposed to take those concepts and principles and apply it to wherever you go next. Whatever you do, do with good technique, and get the technique right before increasing resistance in order to prevent injury ... and the exercise should be one where it is straightforward to add resistance because progressive overload is how strength is icnreased. Be consistent. Nutrition has an effect. These habits of thinking will continue to be key to your lifting journey whatever you do after Starting Strength. And rather than you discovering all of this through trial and error after many years, SS will teach you all of this from the get-go.

>>76484804 (OP)
Because it's one of the few resources which systematically teaches necessary foundational knowledge such as:

>technique and injury prevention
>progressive overload
>consistency of programming
>effect of nutrition

If you think SS is just about a set of specific lifts, you're missing the forest for the trees. Actually read the fucking book.

The Starting Strength program should be seen primarily as just that -- a start -- and the program as simply practice in applying all the above principles together in a training plan, and developing the discipline in following a program for a while.

Just a while.

You're not supposed to slavishly follow the program forever. If you failed to notice that it's called "starting" and that you're no longer a starter, that's on you for following it all the way to T-rex mode.

You're supposed to take those concepts and principles and apply it to wherever you go next. Whatever you do, do with good technique, and get the technique right before increasing resistance in order to prevent injury ... and the exercise should be one where it is straightforward to add resistance because progressive overload is how strength is icnreased. Be consistent. Nutrition has an effect. These habits of thinking will continue to be key to your lifting journey whatever you do after Starting Strength. And rather than you discovering all of this through trial and error after many years, SS will teach you all of this from the get-go.

>>76488679
Specific techniques taught also apply to other lifts. For example, in high-bar squat, everything from low-bar still applies except for the bar position. Vasalva maneuver should still be used, neutral spine throughout lift should be maintained by looking at a spot a small distance away on the floor (maybe a slightly further distance for high-bar), begin the movement by pushing the butt back, and keep the bar over mid-foot. All of it still applies. You'll just end up doing the movement with a more upright position.

Same thing with a deadlift. Any deadlift variation will still be a crane motion and basic techniques still apply. Neutral spine, bar over mid-foot, and bar path should be vertical. Deadlifts, whatever version, are done primarily by your feet pushing against the ground. The work your back and arms do really is just to maintain vertical bar path.

Retracted shoulders. Even when you move on to do doing other lifts, doing them with retracted shoulders (or retracting your shoulder to start the movement) is likelier to help injury prevention.

Range of motion. Whatever other lifts you do, choose the exercise which has the most range of motion. This principle is useful even for things like choosing what kind of bicep curl to do.

SS illustrates all these concepts through the small selection of lifts in the program. It's up to you to read the book and generalize the concepts to apply to other things you do.

>>76488679
While you are correct that is the purpose of SS, /fit/ took it to the extreme, there was no "after SS", there was no "okay now you got your base, you're strong, you really only care about looks, so let's start learning about hypertrophy and different bodybuilding exercises you might enjoy" after SS you were just expected to be a permabulking powershitter that continued to do the same shit that you did in SS, bodybuilding routines and isolation exercises were mocked, going over 5 reps was mocked, doing a bicep curl was mocked, push/pull aka "bro split" was mocked, asking about ab exercises was mocked etc, it's not that SS was a problem, but it was touted as a holy grail that would do it all, and deviating from any 5x5 program would cause you to have zero gains

>>76488311
when was the last time you saw someone with an elite bench without a reasonably good squat? it doesn't happen because anybody who actually takes lifting seriously sees the value in lower body compound lifts. it's not jacked guys making "waahhhhhhh guys i hurted my backy-wacky squatting 45 pounds the squat is bad!" posts.

>>76488740
If that is true, then there were illiterate fagtards on both sides. The SS book itself talks about certain calisthenics movements as useful accessories ("ancillary exercises"), like pullups and dips. The book even talks about doing them weighted. The horrors.

>>76486010
lifting to look like a kpop twink is spiritually homosexual

>>76488559
4chan in general has always loved to pretend to like obtuse and counterintuitive stuff to appear hardcore. There's something about this place that attracts chronic contrarians.

>>76488811
It's pure how there's a certain strain of autist that never thinks for just one second that people are intentionally trolling by giving them bad advice. Gallon of milk a day on /fit/ is harmless fun compared to Redditors getting the green haired moms to troon their kids at 9 years old.

>>76484891
>It's a cult
This

>>76485750
All studies, each and every study, 100% of studies clearly show that any test raise from any exercise, including heavy squats, is a) negligible and b) temporary.

You get a better test spike from a good night's sleep.

>>76485728
>No one should be lifting for girls to begin with
Why has this become a meme?
Because /fit/fags are noticing SS ruins their bodies, so they go all fox and grapes.

>>76486937
3x10 bro split, like everyone who ever made it in the last 50 years.

>>76488559
>Another retarded thing was the hate for curls, how fucking retard was fit for thinking you shouldn't do bicep curls at all, like ever, period, no curls allowed, it was like some kind of sin if you did a bicep curl, people back then took pride in the fact they didnt do bicep curls, most retarded shit ever.
And then people started tearing their bis on heavy deadlifts. I don't think they have made the connection yet lmao.

>>76488811
Autistic narcissism: Reality tells them their are inferior to eveyone else, so to save their fragile egos, they search for something, anything to feel superior to the "normies".

>>76488836
>But they are just like me, why would they lie reeee!

>>76488794
What is doing an exercise program designed by a closet gay interracial fetishist that is sure to give you a pseudo-feminine figure (Big ass and thighs, tits from getting fat) then?

>>76488774
That's such a dumb, broscience reasoning.

>it's not jacked guys making "waahhhhhhh guys i hurted my backy-wacky squatting 45 pounds the squat is bad!" posts.
A lot of people injure themselves doing your powersharter lifts

>>76488679
if it teaches you so many things, why does everybody following it look like shit? think about it rationally. and don't give me the excuse of "they are doing the program wrong", even the people directly coached by Rippetoe look like shit

>>76488932
wow so science based

>>76488972
>why do beginner lifters not look muscular?

>>76488972
>didn't read the book
>didn't even read the reply, which is much shorter
people look like shit because they didn't stop following the program past when they needed to stop

>>76488985
there's no rational reason to look bad after 6 months of lifting, unless you strated gigafat

>>76488972
>t. can't understand nuance
follow Starting Strength for a short while to absorb general concepts but you should stop when you are no longer "starting"

>>76488991
>people look like shit because they didn't stop following the program past when they needed to stop
even the people directly coached by the guy who wrote book? sounds like the lies you like to tell yourself rather than anything that makes any sense


https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/15386-zach-update.html

>>76484804 (OP)
Lurk moar newfags, SS builds character and strength regardless of what you end up doing later on, it's a beginner routine

>>76488790
Pullups and dips were the only thing they begrudgingly said was okay to do, if you wanted to do bicep curls they'd say you're retarded and you should only do pullups instead.

Again it wasn't that SS was bad, but if you came to fit and were like "hey what are some good ab exercises", or you posted a routine that had bicep curls or tricep extensions you'd be mocked and told to go squat because squats do your abs and bench does your tris.

I also think throwing someone with no idea what they are doing into a strength program on day 1 is kind of bad advice in general anyway, you're telling a newbie with no base and no experience that they need to be constantly putting more and more weight on the bar, with 5x5 which requires them to overload the bar even more than they would with 8-12 reps, with some of the hardest, heaviest exercises that are most likely to snap your shit up and give you a serious injury, as a beginner you're actually better off doing a brosplit where the risk of injury is almost non existent and enjoying the noob gains and then transitioning to a strength program later after you plateau

>>76489005
>t. doesn't understand nuance
you're mistaking me for whoever the OP was talking about
i fully affirm that SS shouldn't be followed forever
it's for this reason that i put the onus on the lifter to actually read the book (not internet randos' mangled interpretation of it, if they even read it themselves), learn what they can from it, and make their own decisions after trying the program for a while, and definitely by the time they are no longer "starting"
did none of these people stop to ask "am i really considered 'starting' anymore?" or "buying new pants every month is ridiculous, should i be doing something else at this point?"

>>76489078
i can't speak for how /fit/ was presenting SS once upon a time
but regardless, people should have done their own homework (i.e. read the fucking book /fit/ claimed to be basing their suggestions on)
>>76489078
>5x5
which is not the SS program
again people didn't do their own homework
if you believed internet randos without reading the book yourself, that's on you

>>76489005
>even the people directly coached by the guy who wrote book?
yes, even them, everything i said about the book could be said about rippetoe himself
take what you can but also take _your leave_ of the things that are not of use to you anymore

>>76489103
are you a retarded AI? you are responding to a post showcasing a guy directly coached by the author of the book, and you are falling back to your retarded "didn't read the book correctly" catchphrase that makes no sense in this scenario

>>76489133
yes, these lifters have presumably already reached the age of reason, and are capable of determining when they've outgrown the coach just as they've outgrown a program in a book

>>76489132
so the guy who wrote the book cannot comprehend it? you are talking as if this was scripture inspired by God, and not just a book written by a guy who hasn't produced any tangible results

>>76489136
>just follow a book by a guy who has produced zero results with his training, he is shit but the book is magically great

>>76485728
Everybody is lifting for “girls”. Everyone. The bald manlet running hat game, the 45 years old dad, the broccoli head, every single one of them does it for their appearance. You aren’t a pro-athlete, you are just a gym rotter. If you lifted for your “health” you wouldn’t skip cardio, you wouldn’t have destroyed your joints and you wouldn’t be consuming copious amounts of caffeine and all kinds of snakeoil supplements. Stop coping, you are lifting for girls and so does every other coper that says he doesnt

one more thing
t-rex mode is not irreversible
ran SS a little too long?
then stop squatting for a while, your butt will atrophy

>>76489147
i lift so the number goes up moron

>>76489139
>>76489146
just take some responsibility for your own results and stop blaming others, is the point here
nobody made you follow SS past when you needed to stop
that choice had always been yours
SS has helped a lot of people get some toehold in strength training, and even if you're no longer doing any of the Big 3, these fundamentals still apply to whatever lifting you're doing:
>technique and injury prevention
>progressive overload
>consistency of programming
>effect of nutrition
why people thought the program of those specific lifts was some sort of scripture -- that's on them

>>76489160
>just take some responsibility for your own results and stop blaming others
yes, you do that by using your eyes and not following a shit program written by a shit coach that has produced shit results, as any logical person would

>>76489151
Because you subconsciously associate the increase in strength with becoming more attractive to women

>>76489166
>shit results
defined as aesthetics
but the book itself disclaims any pretense of aesthetic development, again it's on you for not doing your homework
it works for what it advertises, starting _strength_
and these fundamentals still apply even if your ultimate goal is aesthetics
>technique and injury prevention
>progressive overload
>consistency of programming
>effect of nutrition
SS gives this all to you for the one-time low price of the book -- if you bother to read it -- saving you years of trial-or-error or thousands in personal training

>>76489166
>t. butthurt because didn't stop running SS when he should have

>>76489179
>just start your fitness journey by looking like shit and being defeated by a flight of stairs
i think i won't, thanks

>>76489183
name one guy you admire who started doing SS, if you want to be strong just go to an olympic lifting gym instead, this shit was solved since the greeks, you didn't need a fat texan without a foreskin to explain to you what is strength

>>76489185
>want results NOW
i caution you against a mentality leads to the pharmacy
take time to build a good base, learn good technique and fundamentals
just like anything worth doing in life

>>76489189
anyone using a barbell after 2010
that was the SS effect even if no one acknowledges it
but most people took what they could and went their own direction -- which is what i've said all along that people should be doing
before 2010 it was gimmicky circuit machines in gyms and gimmicky slop in fitness magazines

>>76489195
senpai what makes you think that people who weren’t retarded enough to fall for the SS meme and powershitter propaganda are retarded enough to fall for roids and roidtranny propaganda?

People who instinctively knew how retarded SS was for their end goal, instinctively also know that muscles do not matter that much, it’s all about face & height. A good physique can complement a good face & height but only within natty limits and roids will permanently age your skin and damage your appearance in many other. People are aware that injecting roids is going to ruin the most important variable which is face

>>76484804 (OP)
Because it's a good routine for beginners. There's no much difference between training a power lifter, bodybuilder year 1. Even athletes are going to be mostly the same just with more stuff on top of that. It's just putting on the easy mass with an LP. After it's on there you do whatever the fuck it is you want to do just this step accelerates and ensures you will get to the others in a year if you do it honestly. Start cheating reps to keep adding weight or rushing eccentrics yeah you're going to fuck yourself.

>>76489195
stop arguing with him he's just a lookism retard

>>76484804 (OP)
By saying to do curls because "having big arms is fun". 99% of /fit/ or 4chan get all their info from twitter screencaps and memes so they never read teh book.

>>76484872
SS is not powerlifting and SS is a good routine. And powerlifting/SS != trex physiques.

>>76484804 (OP)
Women unironically love nice glutes on guys. Stop being insecure, bitchass.

>>76489228
>Because it's a good routine for beginners. There's no much difference between training a power lifter, bodybuilder year 1. Even athletes are going to be mostly the same just with more stuff on top of that.
If SS is good for beginners who want aesthetics, basically any program is good. Not to mention no curls in SS and every guy wants biceps. SS is for 14 year old defensive tackles or aspiring pear-shaped powerlifters

>>76489425
this
source: my wife

I think SS is a program in which you take bits and pieces as valuable information, but actually doing the program is pretty dumb. You should always try to do what you want to do if it's possible. Take a program and change a few exercises that are not too important to switch for others that you enjoy more.

>>76484891
>Remove that trash from the sticky
the sticky hasn't been updated in 6 years and by now it's clear it is left like that on purpose as a bait for newfaggots
people that still scream "read the sticky" are either in on it or are useful idiots
99% of it is 5x5, SS and some meme variation like grayskull or BBB (it's all the same bottom heavy stuff)
i think there's isn't a single mention of PPL or brosplit in it
actually, all of the sticky is about compound movements around legs and maybe a bench press if you're lucky kek (the most useless exercise, it's like it's there as an ulterior mockery... here fag, have that upper body exercise ahah just bench press lmao)

>>76489422
>posts roiders that have never done SS once in their lives

>>76489461
It can wait or you can do curls too. It's not a big issue it's a year and probably going to be doing this 3-5+maintenance if you want to have anything "aesthetic". Getting people to look at a bigger picture is always a nightmare with lifting because every trainee wants it now they want to ignore injuries, ignore deficiencies in lifts that don't make them pretty and ignore form and tempo when it doesn't mean numerical progress. Patience is probably the most important thing to teach any lifter.

>>76489624
>It's not a big issue it's a year
You can get pretty jacked in a year. I did. Train a muscle optimally for 3-4 months and it's easy to see a difference. So you're dicking around with squats when you could have bigger biceps and shoulders for an extra year.

The only thing is there isn't a SS for bodybuilding powerbuilding afaik and people can be too retarded to do the right exercises on their own.

>>76489635
Bodybuilding is mostly making and refining your own methodology based on what you see working what mobility you have, what kind of tension your insertions and leverages produce. It's too "big" and problem prone to try to teach a beginner who's going to have issues with just basic adherence.

Beginners should start with PPL at low weight, putting them to do bench press and OHP without isolated arm training is retarded and a one way ticket to snap city.

>>76489762
holy retardo

>>76489768
>bis and tris training is for dudebros!
>strong arms let you lift more weight safely? nonsene
>I trust a fat boomer over common sense

>>76489762
PPL can be decent for a beginner, but ULU and 2-3x FB work just as well, you just gotta be very careful not to do too much when you start. First two months i was constantly very slowly adding weight, sets, isolations and going from 2x to 3x. Every change or anything added should be carefully done.

>>76489768
He's right and you are the retarded one, brosplits are good for beginners, safe, will actually give you a good physique, a good base to work off, a variety of different fun exercises to get familiar with instead of just SQUATS AND DEADLIFTS and you WILL make strength gains as a beginner no matter what you do.

Telling people with no previous weight training to start squatting/deadlifting with the heaviest weight possible with the lowest reps possible and telling them they have to constantly add weight to the bar sounds like a great way to have someone snap their shit and get a serious injury that will put them off lifting forever

>>76486930
>Your not gonna bench high if you don't squat deadlift high
There are tons of dudes in my commercial gym that bench 2-3 plates for reps that I have never seen squat or deadlift
It's a very common build to have practically dyel legs with a huge upper body, especially older dudes that have low back issues so they don't hit much legs but can still hit chest/shoulders pretty hard

>>76490164
dyel legs are only an issue for manlets. A 6ft+ guy will never look disproportionate from not training legs

>>76490083
>just SQUATS AND DEADLIFTS and you WILL make strength gains as a beginner no matter what you do
but you will, just not the kind of strength a non-athlete might be interested in

but you will have learned and practiced
>technique and injury prevention
>progressive overload
>consistency of programming
>effect of nutrition
which you can apply to whatever you do next

>>76489528
>>76489665
eminently reasonable takes
people turn SS into some sort of scripture to be followed legalistically and wonder why they've turned into living caricatures
that's on them for not using their brains to distill what the important points are and apply those to their own goals

i'll say one more thing
if you ended up t-rex mode on SS, that was your final lesson from the program, which is to take all fitness advice with a grain of salt
i think even rippetoe said something to that effect once
and all things considered, it's a benign lesson compared to the permanent injuries others have sustained following other programs and their gimmicky prescriptions
for one thing, t-rex mode is easily reversible
stop squatting, and your butt will atrophy