Thread 76610414

modern society is way too obsessed with protein

Yeah they have a point. Adding 20 grams of protein to something doesn't magically make it healthy. It's a marketing trick that retarded people new to lifting fall for.

not all protein is the same, it's simplistic thinking. you can do your own research but you really need to do a LOT of it, and most people don't, they just do surface level and base their lifestyle on it

ancient people like the yamnaya and the neanderthals ate lots of protein from meat not processed slop

>>76610414 (OP)
it's the vegan problem all over again. OG vegans from the 80s and before were one of the healthiest demographics because they had to carefully plan for deficiencies and make sure their ingredients were whole foods. Old school bodybuilders were the same way (minus roids).

But now big corps caught on and now a ton of vegan food is just synthetic, mass-produced goyslop. Vegans nowadays just eat oreos and other dogshit which results in them being chronically malnourished as a whole. The same thing is gonna happen to contemporary bodybuilders who try to ditch real food with high proteins and instead just down junk food with a few scoops of cadmium-laced whey powder.

>>76610451
>OG vegans from the 80s
They died en mass from neurodegenerative diseases even without family histories of it. It is largely how we became aware of seniors needing more b12. Then the whole omega3:6 pseudoscience thing came into the picture and they tried blaming that.

>>76610451
>chronically malnourished
nah

>>76610471
10 year old boys shouldn't follow vegan diets

protein on low carb diet is like steroids. super fueled by ketones and extra muscle glycogen from protein

>>76610444
trips of truth
what are the most important types of protein and where can i get them?

>>76610491
you're a very stupid person

>>76610571
cope proteincel, you will never unlock the power of ketones
fucking vegans spreading their shitty cult

>>76610571
oh noes my food doesn't align with your...political/religious views? kys

>>76610562
you want complete protein with all essential amino acids to support muscle protein synthesis. If you go to the protein shake isle, you'll notice there's meal replacement shakes with big protein numbers on them but they're not "complete protein" and often come from low quality (read low bio-availability) sources. Ex. Fairlife Corepower Series has complete protein with a complete amino acid profile and is a high bioavailable source. look for the ingredient the protein is "whey protein isolate, whey protein concentrate" Plant protein does not contain a complete amino acid profile in any plant protein single ingredient so the actual good brands will combine it with other plant protein sources to create it: ex. blueprint longevity and metabolic protein uses a combination of pea protein, hemp, and pumpkin seed protein. If you see a protein shake or powder that's plant based but only has one of these plant protein ingredients then it is not a complete protein. Isopure whey protein isolate is my favorite non-vegan because its a complete amino acid profile, it's high bio-avaialbility source, and cuts out the extras to give 25g of good protein at only 100 calories, I use it to hit my protein goal while cutting.

note: muscle protein synthesis is full amino profile + leucine to trigger it. all whey has leucine. vegan sources, even longevity protein from blueprint, has low leucine content and whey is more reliable, the vegan route has more polyphenols and antioxidants that whey-based does not.

>>76610491
>>76610577
>extra muscle glycogen from protein
you're a fucking moron

>>76610599
enjoy you're diabetes and rotten teeth you carb addict vegan

>>76610599
that's quite literally how gluconeogenesis works. if your muscles run out glycogen stores and you consume excess protein it supplies the muscles with extra glycogen. i don't know why i bother you never learn and treat every comment like a political debate. you're wrong and retarded. when you die nobody will remember you and the world will be a better place.

>>76610438
fpbp

>>76610414 (OP)
No. Turns out that the scientists discovered that a majority of people are consuming too little protein.

Redditors are so fucking stupid

>>76610414 (OP)
I think he's sort of right in the sense there is a growing trend of shit food with "contains 10g of protein per serving!" slapped on the packaging and it costs $5 more than an equivalent item.
Broadly speaking though everyone benifits from an increased protein intake and it's nice to have more protein dense products widely available.

>>76610696
Why would you buy those foods instead of just buying meat

>>76610414 (OP)
It's the same way everything used to say "keto" or "paleo." It's a gimmick to trick midwits (women) into thinking they're fitting in and being healthy. In a few months it'll be something else.

>>76610604
then how come athletes consume carbs and sugar during events and training and not protein?

>>76610761
stigma no other reason. if even the smallest thing goes wrong there will be a diet witchhunt. it's worth pointing out that two of the greatest sports stars alive rn have used keto to achieve their goals

>>76610776
I can tell you've never engaged in any extended physical activity in your life.

>>76610414 (OP)
i would wager 99.9% of the population doesnt eat enough protein actually

>>76610798
I engage in extended physical activity every day and am in perfect shape. I already know you cope by imagining everyone on keto as a hopeless fatty since every actual information you present is easily countered

>>76610761
pro athletes eat absolute garbage and look like they're healthy thanks to steroids. sounds great until your heart stops working

>>76610593
I read this in Patrick Bateman voice

>>76610833
>pro athletes eat absolute garbage and look like they're healthy thanks to steroids.
you're just making shit up. Steroids dont magically keep you lean if you eat too much. CICO applies to junk food too.
>but this pic I saw on facebook of a candy bar with an athlete next to it proves it
retard

>>76610713
don't get me wrong I'm getting the majority of my protein from meat but it's nice to reliably find those fairlife protein drinks at a gas station or whatever

>>76610833
also that bag of candy you posted has 110kcal. So 3 bags is a whopping 330 kcal. So that's the equivalent of a few scoops of rice. You can literally eat 3 bags of that on a cut and still lose weight.

>>76610872
No there are endless pro athletes who eat like absolute shit, brag about it all over social media and have a perfect body. They are on illegal drugs and they will face consequences. The muh pro athlete diet is invalid. My only question is why you keep posting absolute bullshit everyday? I get no joy out of proving an utter retard wrong repeatedly and nobody benefits from this exchange.
>>76610882
enjoy your missing teeth faggot. oh no just brush your teeth hundred times a day

>>76610888
>rag about it all over social media and have a perfect body.
because everything you see on social media is real. Npbody ever lies or acts dramatic for monetized views.
Guess what retard, if an athlete went on tiktok and said he ate chicken and broccoli nobody will watch it because its boring and he wont make any money.
Anyway, my question was why do athletes eat sugar and carbs and not protien while training and performing and then you posted them eating bags of candy as some sort of proof that they dont?
You're not even sane

>>76610897
You can't claim you know what they eat either then shit for brains. I think you might be dumber than apes. You're claiming athletes eat whatever supports your gay retard tier argument while simultaneously not having any proof of your claims cause ya know they're lying! Goes both ways douchebag only difference is I'm not trying to use muh athletes as an argument like your retarded ass keeps doing.

>>76610907
everybody, even niggers with down syndrome, knows that athletes engaging in long, strenuous activity consume sugar and carbs, not protein, for the energy to do so. And not just athletes do this. Recreational hikers, laborers etc all do this because it works.
You never did any physical activity in your life. Your entire knowledge base comes solely from watching tiktok videos because the only references you make to prove your point is "I saw it on tiktok".

>>76610928
Your entire argument is literally appeal to authority and nothing else. There's not a single drop of worthwhile info in anything you posted and there never will be because you're retarded and wrong

>>76610761
>and not protein
Ah yes, all those professional athletes who eat no protein at all

>>76610414 (OP)
>seething people care about what they eat

>>76610944
>>
according to you they just eat candy and junk food all day. Why would need and particular amount of protein?

>>76610934
what authority am I appealing to? Be specific.

>>76610438
The amount of fatasses eating those stupid fairlife shakes is depressing.

>>76610961
I'm going to continually degrade the discussion to worthless drivel as you're doing. So for how long have u known u shoving cocks in every hole in your body?

>>76610966
I accept your concession.
Also you're projecting.

>>76610995
yes I'm projecting the fact you're a mental case and conceeding there's no point in doing anything other than making fun of you

>>76610414 (OP)
Americans are prone to supersitious obsessions and food taboos, it's just part of their culture and genetics due to being mostly a mix of autistic Germans and schizo Brits.

>>76611005
You're acting like a woman on her period just because I said marathon runners eat sugar during the race.
lol

>>76611016
whereas for you it's no act you're literally a women

>>76611033
still projecting I see

>>76611040
literally you. why do you keep posting honestly you haven't posted a single thing of value

athletes dont eat protein is that what you came here to tell us and other "im literally a retarded female" comments? why? you're lame just stop posting

>>76611044
>athletes dont eat protein is that what you came here to tell us
I never said anything of the sort. You never actually even read my posts. You just saw the word "carbs" and flew into some tantrum and started ranting about vegans and rotten teeth.
And then posted an NFL nigger eating candy as proof that athletes dont eat carbs.
I dont think you even know what carbs are.

>>76611084
you said
>>76610761
>then how come athletes consume carbs and sugar during events and training and not protein
>and not protein

You're a gay retard anything else you'd like to add or do you wish to continue pointing to imaginary athletes and groups of peoples diets that you claim support your view but also claim you cant really know what they eat

just stop posting everyone knows you're mental and keep respinning the convo because your brain cant remember a few mins ago

Facts about protein:
1. Protein quality matters only if you aren’t getting enough protein. If you’re getting enough, your body doesn’t gaf.
2. You only need about a gram and a half per kilogram bodyweight to maximize your benefit from protein if you aren’t cutting.
3. If you’re losing weight, you need MORE protein (like 1.6–1.8g/kg). This will help prevent loss of lean mass.

>>76611098
>during events and training
Keto brainfog lmao

>>76610471
With his shirt on, this dude looks like he has a body of a malnourished 14 year old boy with a head/face of a 40-50 year old man that looks uncannily photoshopped on. I'm assuming by the effort put forth in the editing that he is some sort of micro-celeb.
With his shirt off he looks like he's been lifting for half a year at best, lmao.

>>76611137
i played competitive sports my whole life literally nobody is eating while training or competing your comment makes even less sense now unless you're only pretending to be retarded

>>76610491
Muscle glycogen is glucose aka sugar, moron. Your entire body runs on carbs.

>>76610414 (OP)
You only need protein and animal fats to live well. But I think it's best if the goyim don't know about this secret because it'll lead to extreme meat scarcity. So enjoy your sugarslop.

>>76610414 (OP)
>keeps talking about how there is no issue with protein and it's healthy
>whines about it anyway
No normalfag who eats a "20g protein!" pudding is ever going to get into the range where you could talk about excessive protein consumption. You actually have to try pretty damn hard to get there, to a point where it becomes more of a chore than a meal.

>>76610414 (OP)
>modern society is way too obsessed with protein
No, but they are obsessed with having a lot of protein without the meat and dairy. That's when it becomes weird. From a historian's POV, we're at a low point of animal and protein intake with only few exceptions (HK and USA are more average).

>>76610954
>according to you
nigger you responded to my first post in this thread stop being a schizo and stop having stupid fucking opinions

>>76611560
>From a historian's POV, we're at a low point
no way this is true
like way back in hunter gather times maybe but from the advent of agriculture all the way to when industrialization made mass factory farming of cows chickens ect possible the only the highest social strata had access to meat on a regular basis

>>76612022

Glad you agree that carbs are slave/peasant food.

>>76611362
You're a gay retard why are you posting I mean you're literally a clueless retard and you're insulting others like you're an authority when in reality you're a gay ass bitch who doesn't have know anything about nutrition nor fitness. You should take a trip to lgbt bud that's where you belong

>too much protein is bad for you!!!!
Only for the fact that too much food is bad for you but you're not gonna get protein toxicity or overdose. Bet this was written by a hambeast

>>76610471
More fit than 95% of the posters here

>>76612541
is that supposed to be a gotcha? bro I like meat I just think you're retarded if you think globaly human eat less protein now than they have throughout history

Americans eat the most protein per day from all nations. They are also the fattest nation. Protein doesn't seem to work.

>>76610414 (OP)
>people figure out that protein is the key to restoration of the healthy bodies we once had before food became processed and mass-produced
>"Shut it down!"

>>76612777
we also eat the most donuts, drink the most coffee, work the most hours, drive the most, have the fewest paid days off, and walk the least. and the foundation of our food industry is cheap corn syrup. it's not the protein that's making us fat.

>>76610713
>Why would you buy those foods instead of just buying meat
Meat is evil and shouldn't be eaten by anybody, maybe except human meat (cannibalism).

>>76610438
fpbp. also protein tastes awful and makes everything more expensive.

How much protein should I be getting?
is 0.5 - 1 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight okay?

>>76612754
Tecknickually he was right because the agricultural age is only about 5% of human history

>>76612805
You are right about the issues, but it seems protein is not magic pill that will solve health and lifestyle problems.

>>76612811
Legumes are cheap.

>>76612837
Try to get at least 150g it's more important to hit a weekly protein goal than it is daily

>>76612838
FUCK I'VE BEEN BTFO
>disintegrates into ashes

>>76613063
I just so happened to be casting soul trap, looks like I own your soul now

>not a single demand to post body
You're both wrong.

>>76610414 (OP)
I see snack bars added "4 Grams of Protein" on the box as if that is some big deal.

Hey do you guys eat oats? I came here like 10 years ago and everyone was eating oats, unless that was a meme. I eat oats every morning, with a bunch of the vegan favourite stuff like flax and chia. And plain greek yogurt.

>>76610471
This guy got jak'd pretty fast after being posted. I miss /fit/ drawfags...

>>76612805
You'd still be a fatass even if they used real cane sugar instead of HFCS

>>76610414 (OP)
Post body

>>76613602
Oats with apple. Oats taste horrible, like wood particles.

>>76612022
>like way back in hunter gather times maybe but from the advent of agriculture all the way to when industrialization made mass factory farming of cows chickens ect possible the only the highest social strata had access to meat on a regular basis
No. You're thinking of the industrial revolution. Historically, 1 lbs every day per person was the norm for poor people and soldiers. Rich people ate much more meat.

You know we have records of who ate what back then, right?

>>76614647
1 lbs of meat per day? What kind of meat and in what society? In medieval Britain I believe people ate fish, grains and foraged vegetables and mushrooms most of the time. Anyone who's read Caesar's commentarii knows the Roman soldiers were eating grains. Everything I can think of that I've seen commenting on classical and medieval peasant and soldier diets is mainly grains and foraged vegetables, with some fish, eggs and dairy, with few exceptions.

>>76614663
nta but agriculture is only 10k years old, so for the rest of the 300k years as a species they had no choice but to hunt animals. Sure they gathered food, but vegetables were very low in calories and mostly poisonous, same goes for berries and mushrooms. And you have to take into account that most of human evolution happened during the ice age, so plants and fruits were much rarer than today.

>>76610414 (OP)
>the pig ignorant and lazy general public are always looking out for easy, convenient, health hacks that don't require undue sacrifice or lifestyle change
>the kikes at Unilever, Kraft, etc are all too happy to cater to this

Story as old as time. It used to be low/zero carb, before that it was commodifying calories counts for a public that it too lazy to do maths, before that it was low-fat, before that it was sugar-free, etc etc.

>>76610471
>we're good
Just about baseline adequate I'd say

>>76610604
Protein doesn't form glycogen you dumb-dumb

>>76610944
***DURING*** ***TRAINING***

What do endurance cyclists bring with them to consume DURING exercise:
A) glucose gel
B) protein shakes?

>>76614914
Yeah I know but I think anon was talking about agricultural societies. I'm sure pastoral and hunter gatherers ate a lot of meat, but I don't think medieval peasants did, except during festivals.

>>76612650
That's a highly convincing argument and I'm grateful you took the time to back it up with so many peer reviewed articles. Many thanks for the education, professor

>>76610414 (OP)
What is even the point of Reddit posts that arent tech support.

>>76615583
What is the point of a non anime 4chinz post?

>>76610414 (OP)
Agreed. Protein has pretty much become a buzzword. So many normies are into fitness and heath these days due to the pandemic

>>76614993
There's no reason to argue you're spouting absolute bullshit and you shuld be made fun of you gay retard. The world has become dumber because of shit eating retards like you gay faggot

>>76614940
That's exactly what it does when you're running on ketones excess protein is used for glycogen so all you gay retards spouting nonsense about running out of glycogen you should first gain a basic understanding of how the human body works beforecl telling the world how dumb you are

>>76610471

Does not look healthy.

i literally do this because the first ting you learn is that it's directly tied to muscle growth

>>76610593
i used to get Precision Protein but now i get Smoothie King's Gladiator "Complete Protein" which has whey isolate and hydrolysate. on the back, it looks like it has all the amino acids a young lifter could want. i want to make sure - can you vouch for this one? it looks good to me.

(i switched over to Smoothie King's because it tastes 1000x better than any other stupid protein power i've used, especially Precision, and if im drinking this crap every day or whenever i work out, it needs to be bearable and taste good, remove the barriers to entry as much as possible and make it something to look forward to)

>>76614470
You're supposed to cook them

>>76616304
Only up to a certain point, around 1.2g/lb

>>76616443
I cook oats, they are still horrible taste, fruits help it.

I have to eat ungodly amounts of protein or I simply don't gain any muscle at 6'3. I'm a long time lifter, so the threshold must've obviously moved by far, but still, if I don't spam protein, I basically stall in everything.

>>76618168
do you know how many grams an "ungoldly" amount is?

>>76618178
~200g a day and more
it's not particularly difficult with whey but it requires some intent and effort

>>76618195
thats not nearly an ungodly amount at your height
put your numbers into here
>https://barbend.com/best-macros-calculator/
and know that youd be a bit higher than what it recommends because you have years of experience already

>>76618206
it's quite a lot and requires dedicated effort no matter how you look at it and it's near 2g/1kg of total bodyweight

>>76610414 (OP)
>I'm not a health expert
>Too much protein is bad
Shut the fuck up faggot

>>76618216
3 eggs plus egg whites is 20g plus 32g at half cup
50g coffee shake and you've done b half your macros in one meal. You just don't eat or train right, you probably sleep like shit and are constantly dehydrated
You're a dumbass and a lazy whining cunt

>>76618228
like I said, it's not particularly difficult, but requires dedicated effort and can be sort of a problem on more busy days or when you simply don't feel like eating poultry for the 10th day in a row
200g and more is def quite a lot for a hobby lifter and you need to be an obsessed schizo to argue

>>76610414 (OP)
Does anybody miss the old days when even the word protein would short circuit the people around you?

I used to have 1-2 people I could discuss diet and macros with, 1 obscure probably homo guy I could watch online for fitness advise and one available gym place that felt like a front for other activities.

>>76610471
Not a single person in this thread looks as good as this guy

>>76610414 (OP)
Yeah except no. It's obssessed with carbs. Protein and meat is finally getting it deserved place back at the top of the pecking order now that your rulers see how diseased and feeble your shit sugar diets have made you and how much lost time due to illness has cut in to their pocket books. Now protein focus is back tohowit was (see Salisbury steak disease cure protocols from the 1800's)
Vegans can seethe all they want while their malnourished children die in their care, protein always has been king and now their cult is being abandoned by mainstream.

>>76618415
Excuses
Yes I am schizo yes lifting makes the voices go away

>>76610451
Pretty much, every vegan I've met post like 2010 has been fat as hell and usually looks a decade older than they are.

>>76618753
Plant foods can contain a lot protein. Do you know what are pumpkin seeds? S O Y? Lentils?

Protein advertising is really stupid. Protein isn't. You can eat up to like 250g/d no consequence. Eat your protein, animal based.

>>76619364
Eating animals is not allowed. How would you feel if we ate you?

>>76619737
>we
and you are what the tranny vegan coalition? animals eat other animals alive in the wild in the most cruel and inhumane way possible. animals are stupids humans are not we are like god with divine intellect so i do not believe in your moral fagging. you use veganism to feel better about yourself because you're not a good person. good people dont use their diet for pushing mentally ill moral values.

furthermore the crops you eat ruined the land of the wildlife who inhabited them. you are the reason are suffering. you are the problem. a superior race would rid the world of false moralfags like you delusional faggot

Don't care, gonna continue eating 3g/kg per day and effortlessly getting shredded.

>>76610451
Vegans look like shit, stop lying. Every vegan and vegetarian I've ever met looks about 10 years older and has zero energy.
>But they looked good 40 years ago
I highly doubt it

>>76610491
your body would just turn the protein into glucose and use it as fuel instead of the ketones you gay retard. Find the nearest tree and hang yourself.

>>76610641
Woah, muh soicense!

>>76610907
negroball isn't a real sport

>>76620357
No if your muscle glycogen is low protein can be used to keep it filled. You should probably stop talking to people about nutrition tho you have zero clue about anything you gay little bitch

>>76620367
whatever you say chump you're a loser either way

>>76619783
>animals eat other animals alive in the wild in the most cruel and inhumane way possible
This doesn't make it good. We have to stop predators, kill them.
>animals are stupids
Including humans.
>humans are not we are like god with divine intellect so i do not believe in your moral fagging.
If you were like this and high morals, you wouldn't eat animals.
>good people dont use their diet for pushing mentally ill moral values.
Veganism is not a diet, it's ideology, style of life.

There is a lot of protein in Vegan diet if you need.

The average guy these days is 225lbs @ 40% bodyfat and they see roidtrannies say they NEED 1g protein/lb so they're shoveling in 225g protein per day when in reality 0.6g/lb at a 20% fat normalized bodyweight will max out 90% of people on gainz.

That's only like 100g of protein btw. If you make it your mission to eat 100g of quality protein per day without eating like a fat piece of shit you are going to hit close to your max gains if not max out.

>>76621800
I am not eating meat and I eat much less than 100g protein. My muscles grow and so my strength.

>people care way too much about one of the 3 macronutrients
>leddit post
you HAVE to go back

>>76621222
why are you still posting nobody is buying your retarded vegan propaganda it's not even pseudoscience you're trying to make up for the fact you're a crooked loser with your tranny diet

>>76622476
Vegan diet is a default diet and necessary for every who is not NPC and nigger. Non-vegans will have to be culled. You either join us or die.

>>76622531
are you trying to larp or something even god doesn't agree with you

>>76612748
>>76618727
Why is it that any time someone posts a person who's extremely mediocre or just normal, someone else always has to come in and go "better than 99.9% of everyone ever for all time"
It's not just here, you see it everywhere. It's like double contrarianism

>>76610414 (OP)
>modern society
society doesn't give a shit its just marketing droids and influencer grifters looking for a new grift.
I don't think you get the modern american fat as fuck physique by eating too much protein LOL.
The only reason to market "protein" foods is to distract from the ingredient list being mostly corn syrup and seed oils.
If you want protein go grill a steak like a normal person not eat a toxic granola bar full of WTF while pretending its healthy.
I will say it has the virtue of triggering the malnourished sick looking vegan cult member preachers, so its not ALL bad.
"If you want to be like me, stop eating meat" Uh OK I'll go grill a steak now, thanks Xir.

>>76621222
>Veganism is not a diet, it's ideology
Yeah, is it ever. Its like they intentionally found a diet that's a rationalization for bullying, LOL.

>>76613602
soak them overnight
cook them in milk
serve them with equal parts table sugar

>>76610491
>>76610577
>extra muscle glycogen from protein
you're a fucking genius

>>76612811
Yeah i made the mistake of buying special k protein cereal last time i was grocery shopping. It was horrid. Threw that shit out what a waste of money.

>>76613602
Lol im eating oats right now. I soak them im boiling water for a couple minutes, add a little bit of sweet cereal (special k) then dump a tub of low sugar berry yogurt and mix it all up.
I cannot eat oats without a little bit of sugar. They taste like dog shit otherwise.

>>76610438
it's about as soft a scam as it can get, tricking people is okay, especially if they've neglected their fucking HEALTH!

>>76622640
god doesn't exist

>>76622913
>I cannot eat oats without a little bit of sugar. They taste like dog shit otherwise.
Same here, I cannot eat oats alone, but I put fruits into oats so they are passable.

>>76610471
My dad is in his mid 60's and looks better than him

>>76610813
The only people who eat enough protein are fitness dorks, fatasses who also eat enough fats and carbs for 3 people, and children who consume dairy like drug addicts. Everyone else is likely to be below the recommended %DV.

Carnivore diet is pure evil. Only vegan is acceptable diet.

>>76610414 (OP)
Apparently the recommended amounts for lifters boost gains at diminishing rates after 1:1 grams/kg ratio. Iirc it's something near 85-90% muscle gains achieved with little protein.
This is probably a scam so Britons can sell their unregulated toxic waste they label as whey

>>76624653
>god doesn't exist
good luck explaining causation with science you mentally ill faggot

>>76610438
Seems fine as a snack.

>>76610414 (OP)
The most American thing I've seen for the last week.