Thread 76710480

Is 1 year MT 3 days a week enough to become dangerous?

>>76710480 (OP)
what does that even mean, are you planning to go around assaulting people? have fun in prison.
if you mean capable of fighting, yes if you take it seriously and spar weekly.

>>76710480 (OP)
MT did badly in WW2, so-so in early pre-MMA matches, so-so in street fights and extremely well in post-1990s MMA. So it depends on what your aim is. What do you mean with "dangerous"?

>>76710493
>extremely well in post-1990s MMA
nothing works in MMA now except wrestling/bjj . dont know any succesful muay thai base fighters off the top of my head (rountree does not count)

OP it will make you very dangerous proportional to people your height (until it hits the ground) but being big is the best self defence unfortunately. also street fighting is always stupid you will get killed

>>76710532
This. On the streets grappling is the best, barring multiple opponents. Even against an armed guy, you could prolly control his wrists, gift wrap and floor him, though you should just avoid that situation altogether.

>>76710532
basically all striking in UFC currently is either boxing or Muay Thai. Like 2 people use karate.
>elbows
>low kicks
>push kicks
>knees
>clinching
You are a casual, they don't need to have it as a base to use it. RDR destroyed that ginger wrestler fuck via the clinch. Alex utilizes elbows to an extreme degree after training in Thailand. Rountree obviously. Sean Strickland utilizes the teep to an extreme. This also doesn't even cover all the prelim dudes who utilize it.

>>76710539
>guy pulls out gun
>time to use my two strip blue belt
>goes to grab his wrist
>wrist control will secure me domina-
>gets shot
>shits myself
>"John Danaher I failed you"
grappling is only good against smaller or equal sized people in a 1v1 street fight. striking is the patricians choice, if one needs to fight. then again I always carry a knife and a gun with me.

>>76710493
oh look its this schizo again "X martial art usage was Y in Z war dude"
>i'm 35 and training to get a 550lbs bench so i can destroy at pro heavyweight when i start MMA for the first time in 10 years from now
>out of touch boomers stuck in the 90s who yell about mma being cooler when it was rigged and the fighters had no skill
>boomers who yell about mma being wwe and fake
>people who yell about functioning test levels and learning to fight being for niggers and "unnessecary"
>amerilards yelling about guns
>guise did you know about CTE? im smart so i work an office job and i dont fight its for niggers and makes you dumb so im superior did i mention CTE?
what did i forget?

>>76710553
"muay thai invented striking"

>>76710480 (OP)
It can become dangerous if you get hit in the head a lot. You should only spar with people who understand what light sparring is because getting hit in the head hard repeatedly over the years will turn your brain to soup.

>>76710532
>>76710539
t. never been in street fights

>>76710593
it's actually the techniques behind strike. notice how I mentioned boxing as well. you fucking retard

>>76710604
Unless you do it for decades on a pro level, not really.

Zoomers are always so afraid of brain damage, then use weed, imageboards and anime lmao.

>>76710615
I'm not sure I understand your post. He asked if it can become dangerous and I told him that getting hit in the head hard repeatedly is dangerous. I'll assume pro level for decades = getting hit hard in the head repeatedly for years. I'm glad we agree and that's basically the only significant danger there is in Muay Thai.

>>76710493
To merk randos my dude

>>76710564
>ameritard thinks its shithole is the whole globe
Many such cases

>>76710606
give us your wisdom then

>>76710480 (OP)
if you're just looking to defend yourself or hit fuckboys at the bar you're probably better off doing boxing

>>76710582
Lmfao that schizo needs help

>>76710539
Grappling is the best in a fair 1v1. In a self-defense situation you can't exactly guarantee that. I'd prefer to stay standing, just so I can control the distance and book it, if need be.
While under normal circumstances, grappling would allow you to control your opponent much better, I feel like if something goes wrong it leaves you in a more vulnerable position
t.bjjfag

>>76710664
Would muay thai beat bjj?

>>76710480 (OP)
>Dangerous
You need to grow up and stop thinking like a hood rat. But yes, 1 year training Muay Thai will mean you will be able to defeat all non fighters tough guys out there but it won't make you beat amateur fighters because they will also know how to do it

>>76710652
America > might get shot, might get stabbed if you go to the wrong area
Canada > government imported protected class rapist stabs you, and you get arrested for being mad about it
LATAM > might get shot, might get stabbed by narco-terrorist or homeless people
Western Europe > government imported protected class rapist stabs you, and you get arrested for being mad about it
Eastern Europe > might get shot, might get stabbed anywhere
Middle East > kek
Africa > kek
East Asia > government imported protected class rapist stabs you, you must commit ritual suicide for dishonoring your family
India > might get shit on, might get raped, but you deserve it because you are a lower caste
Australia > government imported protected class rapist stabs you, and you get arrested for being mad about it
South Asia > you might get stabbed, you might get shot, but at least you don't have to eat literal fried garbage anymore
America is the best place on earth. Christ is King
>>76710686
If the bjj person isn't good at standup or wrestling and has never done striking, yes. bjj faggots think that they practice the ultimate martial art. however, MMA is the ideal. also remember in a street fight, no rules. so you can knee and elbow a "grounded" opponent. so when they try to take you down you maul them. at the same time if you get taken down and have no background in grappling, you're basically fucked. but bjj is only ultra effective against untrained people of similar or smaller sizes. you can also brute strength your way out of grappling attacks. this causes bjj people to giga-seethe.

>>76710686
All things considered prolly not, unless you got good takedown defence
>>76710664
Any gym worth its salt teaches some form of takedown, so you could realistically just control their neck and arm and hit a hip throw or something. But you’re right, it’s better to keep a distance, the problem with most muay thai is the emphasis on kicks, especially body kicks, which fuck up your balance.

>>76710691
You need to grow up and stop playing bibeogaymes

>>76710740
nah. this is a complex question. because people are different. t
here are blackbelts out there who suck at grappling, but have just been doing it for so long they know a lot.
someone who trains MT, and understands clinching will destroy most bjj faggots because most bjj people don't practice standup or wrestling anymore.
this is why the pull guard thing has become a major meme. bjj nerds are lazy and unathletic a lot of the time.
now a serious competitive blue belt+ who understands wrestling and stand up could definitely beat an average MT fighter. but what are the odds of that happening on the street. most people who play bjj have shit takedowns.
MT also has takedown defense in the basics due to clinch, sweeps, and throws being a central part of the martial art.
>its not that simple

>>76710768
>because most bjj people don't practice standup or wrestling anymore.
Hence why I said a gym worth its salt that teaches takedowns, not mcdojo and co in bumfuck Appalachia
>bjj nerds are lazy and unathletic a lot of the time.
Most “bjj nerds” I trained with are muscular and strong af. And they’re just casuals who show up 2-3 times a week
>MT also has takedown defense in the basics due to clinch, sweeps, and throws being a central part of the martial art.
Not really, since underhooks are banned and you’re only allowed to grab the bicep and back of the neck. I’ll admit MT builds better conditioning but I reckon with two similar level fighters the grappler wins 9/10 times, and I’ve trained both.

>>76710782
>gym worth its salt
I disagree dude, I am in a major metro. gone to local 10p, UFC fighter owned gym, IBJJF champion owned gym, and others, they may teach takedowns but they don't force people to utilize it outside of drills. the average bjj person doesn't want to do takedowns or wrestling because its hard
>Most “bjj nerds” I trained with are muscular and strong af.
your gym is an outlier. i agree there are for sure muscular and strong bjj people. but a majority bjj nerds/casuals are not muscular or strong.
>underhooks are banned
kek, no they're not. obtaining underhooks is basically the goal of clinching, its the most dominant position for knees to the face. overhooks are good too, but for knees to the body. you don't know what you're talking about.
what is banned in MT grappling it hip tosses, trips from the back of the leg, and any sort of joint lock/submission attempt (which would be hard with trad gloves anyways).

>>76710490
It was self offense sir, he had it coming plain and simple.

>>76710782
Wrestlers train on the mat. They're going to fuck their knees up if they try to shoot. And if they clinch, they'll get fucked up with elbows and knees against a MT practitioner.

I'd argue judo would be better against a MT striker rather than a wrestler in a street fight. If the MT striker has a high school wrestling background, they could fuck up any bjjfag in a street fight.

Honestly, one kick would end most street fights as most fags only train boxing or wrestling, at least in America.

>>76710824
anon you understand. Judo is by far the best martial art for self defense. unless you have a glass jaw and get knocked out before being able to grab them, the ability to slam someone on the ground without also getting on the ground will win you the fight 99% of the time.

>>76710829
judo + boxing is pretty goated
most people will throw punches, a bit of boxing training will allow you to easily parry, slip, dodge those blows and the distance, foot work will allow you to move in and out of range easily enough to get your grips and chuck

>>76710829
Actually using judo is highly specialized though, a lot of people will misuse it without a high level understanding of utilitarian mma and traditional martial arts. But as a striking specialist i like it as a good card to pull vs striking stance, using it vs wrestling isnt impossible but not the context of he martial art, its actually based on sword combat when people wore gis since being off balance is a death sentence in a sword fight and the wakazashi is usually on the off hand while the tanto was rarely used at all unless another 1hand style to parry. But typically the japanese greatsword and katana were the swords being used in combat if not a naginata of course.

>>76710870
>Actually using judo is highly specialized though
in regard to self defense. the likelihood of you being randomly assaulted by another martial artist is slim to none
you're most likely going to get jumped by a drunk, druggie, or immigrant. they also will be wearing clothes. judo excels because, similar to bjj/wrestling/MTclinching, unless you know what is happening and how to counter it you're going to end up on the ground.
i agree that it is specialized. but basics like ippon seoi nage or harai goshi will decimate 99% of untrained people.

>>76710870
>wakazashi and tanto
>katana and wakazashi
I could see musashi using 2 katanas like a psycho. Ah how sweet itd be to have a time machine to be able to go back to meiji japan or whatever period that was. Fuckin sweet ass retarded sharp light swords(that broke often however). They say the retarded ass spinning kicks were for dismounting someone on a horse, or so i heard on here or reddit. Also the original jiu jitsu, which judo is a modern variant of.

>>76710895
You aren't going to get grips with someone trying to punch your face

>>76710928
most people cant throw solid punches. most people are dyels. most people are not martial artists. plus i am massive compared to the general population.
>6'5
>80" wingspan
>230 lbs

>>76710937
Why even bother learning judo

You can just push people over at your build

>>76710895
Whats odd is china has sandou and kung fu, idk how modern but ive never seen much on chinese grappling, tkd aikido idk if aikido is japanese.

Ive been working on trying to use shoves and shit especially as i like to create distance and am more of a striking specialist and like jumping/skipping shit, and can short range kick better since more flexible.

I think judo/mt/boxing would be a sick style to work on and idk the term for hands heavy mt but most fighters main one or the other in their stance/specialty.

I just find its usually working harder to effectivel use a longer range style vs shorter, as in wrestling anderson gets you triangled, boxing jones gets you wrestled, kickboxing francis gets you punched etc. Judo is a weird inbetween martial art imo and its easy to get overwhelmed as you have to worry about boxing and wrestling.

>>76710939
I did it as a kid. my father moved to Japan in the 80s for work and did it, so when I was little he had me do it. Since then I moved to other martial arts.
>>76710941
China is very anti-effective martial arts from what I understand. I think part of it is keeping the general population docile, the other part is maintaining historical martial arts. But I remember some MMA gym owner in China got in trouble for fucking up wing chun/tai chi masters.
Sandou is cool, there is actually a big sandou gym near me ran by a world champion.
>Ive been working on trying to use shoves
Join a Sumo club. I did a few months of Sumo and then implemented it into my Muay Thai framing. Its giga OP.

>>76710939
Eh you are only pushing them horizontally sure its easy but vs a wrestling stance thats not gonna do shit but get you underhooked or stepping swept whatever thats called asap theyre pretty fuckin fast at closing distance. Im actually trying to use shoves and im speculating to use it more in a kb/mt context

>>76710956
Interesting, i was always averse to grappling as it ties up your hands and i just prefer boxing stylistically. But irl i obviously have to be able to deal with high level grapplers to be able to compete at mma.

Its also a good way to use a heavy squat/dl, but im always just kind of worried about sprawling vs a hravy and steomg opponent if you know the gary goodrich crucifix elbow thing when vs heavier/stronger opponents as grappling is much easier for brute strength to be the deciding factor given similar skill. Im also kinda working on top rom jump squats as the quick jerking/jumping against a footed opponent is somehow a less used strat(sumos arent that that strong) over reversals and straight up footwork that ive seen.

>>76710582
fucking hate that guy as well. and everybody else you mentioned

>>76710480 (OP)
100 years wont be long enough if you're not mentally prepared to use your power.
1,000 years won't be long enough if your not mentally prepared to suffer the agony of a hard fight.

>>76711313
This is very important

>>76710480 (OP)
buy a gun, you will become more dangerous than any martial artist in the world in a matter of minutes

>>76710480 (OP)
>1 year MT 3 days a week
enjoy getting raped by some twink with 3 weeks worth of bjj

>>76710480 (OP)
>1 year MT 3 days a week enough to become dangerous?
Yes, unless you're a retard. Your sparring should tell you how effective you are....or aren't.

>>76710532
>being big is the best self defence unfortunately.

Not OP but what is the best martial art for winning fights? I've always felt afraid of a confrontation because I lack the capability to defend myself so I'm thinking of taking up a martial art. Also would the people there discriminate against me for being muscular?

>>76711531
I should also clarify I plan on fight a few amateur bouts as an adult when I get enough training