Thread 76716553

The image that destroyed /fit/

>meat is worse for you than hard liquor
Okay Benjamin

>>76716560
Yes meat is highly inflammatory compared to beer and wine

>>76716553 (OP)
>salt, something humans need to survive, is worse for you than booze

>vegetable oils
>80:1 omega6/omega3 ratio
>good for your health

Yeah mate sure

>>76716553 (OP)
The fact that sodium aka table salt is so low on the list discredits the whole thing. It's literally essential for our survival, without it your neurons (nerves, spine, and brain) are absolutely fucked.

>>76716563
Alcohol literally kills brain cells.

>>76716553 (OP)
>fast and fried foods
>healthy

>>76716640
A component that's integrated into natural foods and has several co-factors being necessary for life does not automatically make it follow that you should consume it in an isolated form.

>>76716553 (OP)
>vegetable oils: good
>margarine (entirely made out of vegetable oils): bad
Really gets the noggin joggin, doesn't it?

>>76716693
It's really strange how you don't see the problem with your statement and why it's not at all true.

>>76716553 (OP)
ah yes, "snacks", better for you than poultry, but worse than alcohol. write this down folks.

>>76716553 (OP)
nah this was the image that destroyed fit

>>76716698
Please elaborate why you're wrong

>>76716615
>>76716640
You need sodium, but only in small amounts (about 500mg). Pretty much everyone eats way more salt than they need, which is detrimental to your health. Basically, if you eat any processed foods or add salt to your food you're already above the recommended daily allowance.

For anyone interested, this video includes an interview with one of the authors of the study, and he explains some of the findings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPXWCIFDkgM

>>76716702
I'm sorry you're so upset

>>76716729
>"Harvard says"
I'll pass thanks

>>76716946
Their findings are in accordance with mainstream nutrition science

>>76716955
Explain how that means they automatically have no prior history of lying

>>76716955
Did the vaccine prevent transmission.
Because that was "mainstream" "science"

>>76716553 (OP)
>fast food is healthier than potatoes
Stopped reading there.

>>76716644
only if you get blackout drunk or drink daily

>>76717002
Oh okay so you're just going to lie.

>want to get /fit/
>don't want to eat your vegies
Are you fucking retarded? Besides they taste great. You have have an ED if you one of those freaks that puke if they smell boiled veggies.

>>76717009
source saying if I have a drink right now I am killing brain cells?

>>76716960
You're right anon, all future research they do can be immediately dismissed because someone at some department lied in the past

>>76716962
Flawless comparison

>>76716716
Wrong

>>76716640
fun fact: most people living in the western world get more than enough salt through whatever diet they have

>>76716553 (OP)
Wine, beer and all alcohol are literally carcinogens. According to this graph wine is modestly healthy. Bullshit graph.

>>76717289
>added salt is bad
>source: literally every health institution in the developed world

>don't worry about it bro
>source: social media grifters

>>76716729
His explanation of why seed oils ranked so well is not because they are inherently healthy, but because they displace consumption of animal fats.
This explanation set off some red flags for me that they are doing some very dishonest manipulation of the data to serve an agenda.

>>76717359
>animal fats being considered unhealthy raised red flags
Why? That's the consensus in medical and nutrition science. It would be much more noteworthy if they were to claim that animal fat isn't harmful

>>76717370
It is dishonest to rank the seed oils category not based on effects of total consumption, but on a "theoretical displacement" of another food category.
That indicates they are massaging the data to serve an agenda.

>>76717374
>It is dishonest to rank the seed oils category not based on effects of total consumption, but on a "theoretical displacement" of another food category.
The explanation doesn't even make sense, because if someone eats deep fried potatos, there is no displacement of animal fats going on. They are simply eating deep fried rancid omega 6 oils.

>>76717374
>rank the seed oils category not based on effects of total consumption, but on a "theoretical displacement" of another food category
But that's not what they're doing. They track the food intake and health outcomes of a large cohort over decades and show how certain foods corelate with certain health outcomes. The "theoretical displacement" is just speculation about why these oils scored so high despite being high in calories and low in nutrition.

>>76716700
shit I need to stock up on snacks!

>>76717402
Go watch that video again and watch him squirm through that explanation of seed oils.
They have a lot of freedom to massage data in studies like this. They just choose different criteria to evaluate, and they can make any food look healthy or harmful.

>>76716553 (OP)
>fast food is le good for you
I don't take advice from jews.

>>76717410
You sound schizophrenic

>>76717259
>answered none of the questions
Lol

>>76716553 (OP)
>French fries, red meat, refined grains much worse than fat and fried food
But they ARE fast fried food.
Wtf is a cheeseburger made of, in this red and green fantasy land?
Your fucking pic isn't even internally consistent.

>>76717354
>appeal to authority
>credentialism

salt is good for you niggerfaggot

>>76717593
Actually, yeah, you have a point. It's much more likely that some anonymous person on an anime website is correct about how biology works other than people who have studied for decades and actually practice and do work in the field.

>>76717622
people who have studied for decades and actually practice and do work in the field that AREN'T getting paid to spread bullshit to normalfaggots would agree with me

>>76717629
Sure thing, buddy.

Defund coomers

>>76717640
I will outlive you while eating multiple grams of salt per day

>>76717647
>>76717640

Not very based, yet somehow fagpilled

>>76717423
Even the interviewer is confused as to why seed oils performed so well.
Seed oils beat out olive oil, beans, and the other vegetable categories.
Even to a die-hard vegan, it is a very surprising result that makes them question it.
Why do we see so much praise for olive oil, when seed oils are supposedly even better according to this study?
Why do in real life we see populations health fall to shit when introduced to American style diets laden with seed oils?

>>76716640
>sodium aka table salt

>>76716553 (OP)
Fat.

>>76716563
>Yes meat is highly inflammatory compared to beer and wine

And yet meat is used to treat cancer in prescribed ketogenic diets...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9435310/#TAB1

>>76716553 (OP)
Chuds keep their heads buried in the sand

>>76718820
>it's just a case report
>the patient had to quit the diet because he developed dyslipidemia

>>76718859
Don't show this to Peter Attia

>>76718859
Interesting but somewhat different from what I've found until now.
Even non-meat stuff is different, afaik there fruit and vegs max out at 2 cups of vegs and 1 of fruit, and nuts instead at a full oz, but you gotta have some variety.
Would you mind giving a source for that? I'd like to see how they figured out those numbers.

>>76716553 (OP)
>Potatoes more unhealthy than pizza
>Poultry more unhealthy than sweets
Eh, I dunno man.

>>76719541
I think this is the source of info
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003889

>>76716553 (OP)
How retarded do you have to be to believe a diagram that says fast and fried food is more unhealthy than seafood? OP, pls rate your retardation on a scale from 1 to 100

>>76719737
>fish is worse for you than French fries
You OK?

>>76719724
So it's a metanalysis, nothing new, and apparently they didn't combine fruit and vegs together, so they lost some information there (400g of fruit AND 400g of vegs IS a bit much).
Everything else looks legit, but they point out even they don't have enough data on some points: eggs, vegetable oils, poultry...
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: the sum of all those intervention together, it's the most important data point but it will take decades to gather that.
Assuming it's going to be linear on the life expectancy is quite naive

>>76716563
You know Ethanol is a poison on its own right? It has no nutritional benefit whatsoever. This was literally one of the first things I read about when studying to become a nutrition coach.

>>76716716
sodium - potassium

>>76719777
I obviously meant *healthy. The opposite of what OP's diagram says

This image is fishy.

>>76716553 (OP)
better replace my potatoes with a bottle of vodka, the scientist man said so

Suspicious.

>>76716553 (OP)
> Vegetables > Leafy green vegetables > other vegetables