Thread 76722371

>Spend 10 years eating clean, lifting 4x a week, dump thousands of dollars into grass fed pasture raised cage free whatever the fuck, count your calories, bulk / cut, mentally torture yourself and look small for half a decade
>or do a medium cycle and get the same results in a few months
Life does not care if you cheat. The results speak for themselves.

>>76722377
worth if if you can do it in 0.5 years instead of 1.5

stay humble
the gates of heaven are narrow

>>76722371 (OP)
You should only roid if you've been working out for a while anyways. Quick results will lead you to quickly peak. From there you either get bored and quit or keep chasing the dragon and become freakishly huge.

>>76722384
Not a single modern day "christian" would make it into heaven

>>76722396
Mostly because they're white but yeh, they're all going to hell for ass rapies with Lord Satan

>>76722371 (OP)
As a roider I've said most people on gear have no business doing it.
They refuse to learn the basics and just do some apeshit 300 test/200 primo 10 week cycle they got from some youtube faggot and then follow some "program" with a cool sounding name they got from some tiktik faggot because they never learned how to lift.
Ops webm is a perfect example. "bro afraid to hop on" needs to cut about 25lbs of flab first and roids wont help with that.
>But muh muscle retention on a cut
what muscle?

>>76722440
>big pharma
>illegal steriods
are you really this stupid?

>>76722455
most roiders stay on TRT forever when not on cycle so yes big pharma, faggot

>>76722371 (OP)
why doe he look worse than this 23 yr old chink natty who's only lifted for 6 yrs and already became IFBB classic physique pro (same class as cbum)?

>>76722371 (OP)
Because I don't want to die before watching my children grow. I'd also like stay independent when I turn old. I don't care if people use steroids, I'm going to live 40+ years more than some of them anyway.

>>76722452
>needs to cut about 25lbs of flab first and roids wont help with that.
1. yes they do
2. glps will, thats part of the new age stack

>>76722452
androgens change nutrient partitioning in favour of glycogen as opposed to fat stores, and release fat into the blood stream, to the point that stimulants and cardio preferentially burn fat. You'd have a much higher body fat without them
you don't know what you're talking about either

>>76722371 (OP)
That looksmax retard is so gay looking kek

>>76722396
True, all americans for sure. Throw in the protties, post v2 catholics, fake orthodox mafia men and coptics

>>76722371 (OP)
If that is his actual brother, I can see why the poor genetic response to steroids.

>>76722461
Non-sequitur. Even if most roiders choose to cruise and blast doesn’t mean it’s actually necessary. I’ve cycled a few times and don’t do TRT and it’s fine.

>>76722461
chinks mixing raws in their bath rubs are not part of big pharma

guy on left is pathetic looking, could easily be a woman

>>76722396
the kingdom of heaven is at hand

>>76722371 (OP)
Imagine hopping on when you haven't even got near your genetic natty potential. Zoomers are truly the 'I want it yesterday' generation.

>>76722628
steroids dont burn fat and I dont care what study by a dyel egghead you found that says they do.
I've had no additional fat loss cutting with high doses of steroids than without. They only thing they do in a cut is preserve muscle mass. Now of course if your body is burning fat instead of muscle on a cut, obviously you'll lose more fat with roids than cutting natty but its still just calorie deficit not some magic "nootreeunt partishuning" bullshit
But (You) never got any extra fat loss affects from them either beyond what was from your calorie deficit

>>76722371 (OP)
no way he roids just to look like that and on top of that he also wants to risk getting botched with a surgery, all of it just to mog indian janitors, lmfao, the mental illness is actually insane dude
also he looks so gay in some way, I'd definitely kiss him on the lips if he wasn't retarded

>>76722371 (OP)
protein, calories, intensity
this is it, stop overcomplicating it.
left guy has never seen the inside of a gym and eats 30 g protein.

>>76722396
based kierkegaard

>natty: joie de vivre, not taking himself to serious
>roidtranny: constantly trying to pose better, trying to flex his watch even while shirtless, endless pain in his eyes
you know what to do, anon.

>>76722371 (OP)
Do you lift just to get bigger? That sounds retarded and unhealthy.

>>76722433
>t. jewtranny niggotry

>>76722371 (OP)
Guy on the right is just zoomer Elliot Rodgers, and is peak >roiding for this
Left probably works out once a month at most and eats whatever.

>>76722948
>bro nothing actually matters bro it's actually really cool bro that I don't care about anything bro life isn't that serious bro just don't stress yourself out bro and take it easy bro

>He roided for a 2 year natty physique
Grim

>>76722969
lets see your 2 year natty physique

>>76722371 (OP)
i have good genetics and i dont need to ruin my body with gear to achieve my dream Physique

>>76722371 (OP)
left is fat though, I'm not on gear and I'm closer to right than left.

>>76722371 (OP)
>Life does not care if you cheat
eating healthy is good for you, you live longer. roiding has the opposite effect.

>>76722371 (OP)
I've seen teenage girls less self obsessed than this guy

>still single after all that effort
kekk

>>76722371 (OP)
I know that if I don't build it natty, then I'm stuck on the juice for life.

It's tempting to try to juice up to natty max and then maintain that, but if I get there like that I won't have built the ability to stay there without the help. Similar to people that need diet pills or bypass surgery, they never learn anything, so they just go back to where they were before. I don't want to have to put a pharmacist's kids through college just because I can't wait a little longer to get there.

>>76722371 (OP)
I'm so glad roids ruin your face. these fags nerf themselves

>>76722967
>just be 9/10 handsome face bro
kys most of us would kill for his genes

>>76722371 (OP)
>Life does not care if you cheat
Your life is the only thing that knows if you do. There are consequences.

>>76722647
lanklets are freaks

>>76722371 (OP)
You do you OP, I just enjoy lifting and being healthy

>>76722452
really the reason i don’t is i would have to commit to 3 months of hard lifting to get the most of it, towards the end you’ll probably not be feeling great as your liver takes a hit

>>76723982
why would your "liver take a hit" from a 500mg test beginner cycle?

>>76722382
You have to do it the rest of your life in either situation. (the exercise)

>>76723531
Insane

>>76724327
and? the point is if you start lifting at 20, you can look like peak fake natty by 22-23 and enjoy the next 8 years mogging nattycuck incels into oblivion and getting all women to gravitate towards you and people treating you better everywhere you go
or you can spend the next 10 years reaching your goal physique and by the time you get there nobody really cares about your body anymore it's more about career/future prospects etc
and then in the end both have to keep lifting to maintain but the guy on roids actually lived like a king during his prime

>>76724388
anecdotally, the roiders I've known don't look like David Laid and usually either get fat or comically huge, neither of which attract women. They usually also have deep-seated insecurities (leading to the decision to take steroids) and women can smell that shit from ten miles away

>>76724404
the people who look like shit on gear would look even worse as naturals though

>>76722371 (OP)
Because I don't need to get on gear to achieve my fitness goals. I also can't be bothered to find reliable sources or figure out a proper cycle. So it would be a waste of time and money for me.
If your goals are unattainable without gear, then sure, go for it. Just don't be a retard.

>>76724404
You dont know any roiders and are just making up shit to sound cool on the internet

>>76724435
Anyone that regularly goes to a gym of any size knows multiple roiders. Why would that sound cool

>>76724439
See random roiders in the gym that you never talk to is not the same as knowing them.

>>76724450
Well I never claimed that my best friends are steroid users but I have talked to these people before and I can see what they look like

>>76724459
so from your random small talk to determined that they have "deep-seated insecuritues" and you know they are now woman wants them or whatever because women "smell it from miles away"?

>>76724459
and of course every roider in your gym is "comically huge" or obese. No -inbetween. There's just no regular jacked guys? Just one extreme or the other?

>>76722639
Who died and made you God?

>>76724484
>>76724491
Yes, I can generally gather that the roiders I know hopped on out of insecurity with not being big or strong or progressing fast enough. I can gather from experience with women that they have a 6th sense for detecting insecurity. I can visually see that the guys on gear at my gym tend to be either freaks or fat, not the lean ottermode look that guy was talking about. Sorry for not bringing a peer-reviewed study, Dr. Mike

>Eat well and feel good all the time
>Some roider thinks it's stupid because I'm not "achieving" whatever in some particular amount of time
That's fascinating, but I don't remember asking.

>>76724519
>make shit up in my head
>peer reviewed stiudy
so literally everything you think is totally imagined.
It also takes years of roiding to get "comically huge" but for some reason your gym only has elite level roiders, nobody casually blasting for a year or two on and off.
And you watched them for years/month while they were natty to see they werent "prgressing fast ennough" is the reason they started roiding.
You dont go the gym. You dont lift.
You're just repeating memes you saw here about roiders to make it seem like you actually go outside and havea life outside of posting on 4chan.

>>76724536
another guy making up shit about roiders in his head.

>>76724550
I just read the OP post but okay.

>>76722631
mirin

>>76724388
Your competition isn't; other lifters it's the general public. And most guys do not lift at all or do not look like they lift. I just spent a few days on a college campus and I would say the percent of guys who looked like they lifted was in the low single digits.

>>76725806
>the percent of guys who looked like they lifted was in the low single digits.
it's because they're naturals

>>76725806
I lift at a college gym and all team sports athletes (except football, I guess they have their own gym) are all skellys and dyels and the occasional guy on roids.
4chan incels will tell you that unless you played sports in high school or college its over for you and its too late to start lifting weights because you're too many years behind.
And then I see college baseball players struggling to curl 30lbs dumbbells or bench 185 for one rep.
>So what's you point?
that natty lifting is stupid and you spend years just to be slightly stronger than some other weak chump. Also most people have no business roiding either.

>>76722371 (OP)
I can think of a few reasons...

>>76722371 (OP)
At least get to 3pl8 bench for reps or use growth hormone if you dont wanna be stuck at your genetic 16yo frame. You dont give your body time to grow how its supposed to and will be doing baby reps for the rest of your life not able to drink alcohol or do most painkillers let alone girl drugs like coke molly or tiny hits of the weed pen and you dont even inhale.

Any time your tolerance allows you to put on muscle youre basically a pint of vodka in to liver failure and blood toxicity and you probably will get some chang shit boiled in acrylic mixed with alpraxolam and tylenol which nsaids steroids and alcohol is a death sentence for your liver.

>>76725833
Youll struggle to have non paper skin maintaining a 2yr proper bulk physique. Theres levels to technique diet programming etc, notice how most mr olympias look the same minus genetics besides Arnold.

>>76725877
>nobody looks nuts in 2yrs
If you started out lifting and absorbing elite level training from day 1 yeah you would. Arnold learned to hit pecs at all after several years of roiding he was using before 16yo. You might never even get certain techniques if lifting was easier than being a surgeon more people would look super sick nasty and guess ehat they dont. And everyone wants to be aesthetic to their own ideal, its just if they quit or use roids. What i dont get is how would someone be more willing to use steroids than get fat while lifting weights.

>>76725877
why is some natty dyel lecturing me about steroids?
What are even talking about faggot? 2 year physique?
Who said I want paper thin skin? Why should I care about Mr. Olympia's genetics?
You dont even lift, fuck off

>>76725836
another fucking retard who cant even tell the difference between reality and cheap shitty cgi.
The future is doomed.

>>76722371 (OP)
>take the long, hard path with confirmed long term healthy gains for short term pain
or
>take the short, easy path with confirmed longterm health detriments for short term gains
roids are the clearest, most obvious example of a Faustian bargain in all of existence and retards STILL take it.
>Life does not care if you cheat
wanna know how I know you're not white?

>>76722396
trvke

>>76722371 (OP)
> eating clean, lifting 4x a week, dump thousands of dollars into grass fed pasture raised cage free whatever the fuck, count your calories
So you're cutting and wondering why you won't get buff? Strange.

>>76722384
>>76722396
>>76722433
What is this zoomer thirdie thing about lecturing Christians when you're not even Christian but some brown thirdie pagan?

>>76726849
Welcome to post-brown internet
I'm starting to think China knew what they were doing when they banned all foreign internet traffic.

>>76722371 (OP)
>Why aren't you on gear yet?
Why exactly would I roid for figure skating?

>>76726890
to finally stop looking like a literal dyel faggot but you do you

>>76726890
>>>/lgbt/

>>76722371 (OP)

i feel so bad for guy on the left, its litteraly a humilitation ritual and clavicular dont give two fuck about him, just using him to make himself look better

>>76727316
from what i've seen he's called cookie and he's a jestermaxxer. Makes a lot of money from insta reels

>>76722967
>bro nothing actually matters bro it's actually really cool bro that I don't care about anything bro life isn't that serious bro just don't stress yourself out bro and take it easy bro
unironically facts

>>76727316
Guy on the left lost a bunch of weight and is looking healthy

>>76722371 (OP)
>The results speak for themselves.
Could they speak a little louder? I'm having trouble hearing them over the sound of
>ROIDING FOR THIS

>>76722371 (OP)
so much tism in clavicles face

>>76722371 (OP)
>not a single thought in right one's eyes
It's like I'm looking at a genuine roided retard, it's uncanny

>>76722371 (OP)
I like my resting heart rate to be low for longevity.
Gear would help in a lot of ways but it would be taxing my heart even at rest, and I don't want that.

>>76722371 (OP)
>roiding for this

I've shared this story already but I've had 2 Gen Z guys (22 & 25) die in my gyms sauna this year. Both times they closed the Sauna down for 3 months. Before this it had never occurred before in my city. There were 16 such deaths so far in 2025.

I like to Sauna before my workout, why do Gen Z men have to keep dying in our gyms?

Steroids enlarge your organs, which are muscles. They never shrink. They have to do extra effort to compensate for the weight every second of your life until you get a slightly elevated heart rate from the heat of the Sauna and you have a heart attack and die.

Steroids were the 9017th cause of death in men ages 18-25 in 2007. They are the 7th highest cause of death in man ages 18-25 now. You arent doing damage that will someday maybe eventually reduce your lifespan, you'll literally just drop dead after a few months hahahaha

>trading your health and getting mentally addicted to external hormones
>for a physique that in all likelihood won't even be that good as you expect
Most people are not even that impressed by a ripped body, if you're not exceptionally flashy/handsome/tall to go with that you'll be marked as that guy with muscles with hardly any positive connotations. It loses even more sense when you actually enjoy lifting as a hobby and try to overcome your plateaus and get fitter by actually working out and adjusting your lifestyle (in a way that's usually quite healthy unless you bloatmax). I don't care what high risk low inhibition dudes do and they're not a role model for me.

>>76728645
>you'll be marked as that guy with muscles with hardly any positive connotations.
Nobody ever in their life looked a jacked guy and said "yeah he's big but has no other positive connotations".
And of course to lookism incels like you, they only positive connotations are "flashy, tall and handsome" like a rock start or something.
Are you flashy, tall, or handsome?
No, you're an ugly dyel manlet incel.
I'm sure they look at (You) however and see a dyel with no positive connotations. In fact they can see you're a loser from a mile away

I'm average height so I can max out aesthetics without it, rather not look like some overcompensating veiny human penis with heart problems.

>>76727659
>Steroids enlarge your organs, which are muscles. They never shrink.
You dont even know what an organ is.

>>76728688
do you genuinely think two dozens pounds of extra muscles buy you some sort of special standing outside of a gym? it's certainly a distinguishing trait but not much else

the fizeek on the right is really what zoomers roid for. notice OP hasn't posted body a single time; even with the cheat codes on he won't post fizeek.
there are two possible reasons for this
>it's shit
>he doesn't lift and this entire thread is b8
pick two

>>76722371 (OP)
These people have no idea how to train and it's just absolutely hilarious to me.

>roiding for an intermediate physique
what the fuck is wrong with zoomers LMAO

>>76722967
he'll bog himself eventually with his hungry ghost mentality, poetic really.

>>76728704
>you must only do what gives you special standing!
Actually it does.
Nobody fucks with you
Nobody tries passive aggressive bullshit
Men respect and envy you
Other men dont get into dick measure contests with you in social or work settings
And yes women do like it.
Not all of course, some still prefer the faggy pretty look but since I wasnt a pretty boy before roiding it doesnt make a difference because they werent going to fuck me any way.
Now why you dont tell us all about your social standing as you post frogs in between goon sessions in your messy room wearing a dirty batman shirt?

>>76728770
Literally the only thing people see when they look at you is that fag roids, I know you're delusional about it due to investment but that's the reality.

>>76728788
lmao some dyel loser incel with no friends who I never even met is telling me all about how my life is because he saw frog memes about "roidtrannys" on an anime pedo image board

>>76729033
NTA but all the vitriol you need to vent on an anonymous forum does betray a large amount of insecurity. There's every other place in the world to posture up and talk your shit, yet you can't even drop it here where it's 100% meaningless.
You're right though, this generation of roiders don't even roid to look roided so people won't think what he said. Mass monsters doing gay for pay were was arguably a less gay trend than that.

>>76729046
>u r a fag
>NOOOO!!!! THE VITRIOL AHHHH !!
u r a fag

>>76722371 (OP)
>Roiding for that
Fucking really? Lmao

>>76729064
>missing the point
Keep roiding for that lmao2plate bench lmao

>>76729115
now you're projecting

>>76727659
>Steroids were the 9017th cause of death in men ages 18-25 in 2007. They are the 7th highest cause of death in man ages 18-25 now. You arent doing damage that will someday maybe eventually reduce your lifespan, you'll literally just drop dead after a few months hahahaha

I think gear is stupid and shortsighted but there's nothing to support these claims at all

>>76729133
>7th highest cause of death in man ages 18-25 now.
I'm believing that. There just arent enough roiders to be statistically significant.
This sounds like a "died with covid, not from covid" kind of thing.

>>76729152
typo
*I'm NOT believing that

>>76729132
Are you sure you know what that word means? Because it makes no sense in this context

>>76729160
now you're coping

>>76723531
You have to be mentally ill to take something that will do this to you, just for basically bragging rights.

>>76722371 (OP)
>the dogface genetics
grim

>>76723531
nothing to do with roids
all of these retards dirty bulk

>>76723531
>they fell for the tren bluepill
>they didn't inhibit 5ar
TOP KEK, you love to see retards aging themselves 20 years in a couple of cycles because they fall for tiktok memes and are stupid fucking retards
500mg test + AI if you need it + 1mg fin is all you need. ever.

>>76723532
>9/10

lol say sike bro, you can't be online with countless faces at your fingertips, see this, and really say within your earnest capacity that this is a "9/10 handsome face"

>>76722371 (OP)
Just two totally straight bros hanging out in the bathroom in their underwear.

>>76729715
stop projecting, weirdo

>>76726849
>christian=white

>>76730002
correct

>>76730002
Pretty much yeah.

>>76722371 (OP)
because I'm not gay and I care about my health

>>76722389
>You should only roid if you've been working out for a while anyways
you should never roid ever, unless you have some low test genetic disorder
There is diminishing returns before you even reach natty limit in terms of your sexual attractiveness to women, after a certain point you start becoming less attractive to most women

>>76722647
me at the bottom

>>76722371 (OP)
I don’t want small balls and an increased chance of becoming a homo or even a tranny.

>>76731791
take HCG and keep E2 in check like a normal person then - wow that was so fucking hard. Being feeble in body and in mind is a choice.

>>76722371 (OP)
Imagine roiding just to get a 1 year natty body without any of the strength
>>76722433
>mostly because they're white
The number of black christians greatly outweighs any white population

>>76722371 (OP)
Because I don't want to look like a roider, plain and simple. They don't look the same, they look as real as breast implants.

>>76722593
this, Im not a roider, but even Im taking the glps, its a godsend for all natties

>>76729646
delusional, roids by definition will raise your average weight, and that ages you faster. Sure you can be smart about it, but just blasting glps all year long will turn you into a vampire

>>76722371 (OP)
>Life does not care if you cheat. The results speak for themselves.
Thank you for pushing me over the edge anon. I just ordered testosterone enanthate, equipoise, and arimidex.

>>76731838
>1 year natty body
the people that say this never post physique

>>76727442
>It's like I'm looking at a genuine roided retard, it's uncanny
>2025
>not absolutely retardmaxxing
ngmi