Thread 76760742

>Spend 10 years eating clean, lifting 4x a week, dump thousands of dollars into grass fed pasture raised cage free whatever the fuck, count your calories, bulk / cut, mentally torture yourself and look small for half a decade
>or do a medium cycle and get the same results in a few months
Life does not care if you cheat. The results speak for themselves.

>>76760742 (OP)
post your body with proof.

>>76760742 (OP)
That's exactly why I just started gear (400mg test, 20mg rad) for my winter bulk. I realized that life is not fair and there's never playing on level grounds. You either get the results, or you don't, and nobody cares about anything else.

>>76760742 (OP)
I’m on TRT (clomiphene) because I just had it with making no progress and feeling like a weak bitch so I went in for bloodwork and got like an online clinic. I have to say I feel AMAZING and I’m not even on anything that strong. Looking a lil better every week but not like fucking Clavicular he’s on a bunch of hardcore roids the kind that make you retarded. Also Clavicular has openly said his dick doesn’t work and mine does so I have that on him which is pretty important. I would definitely say if you’re just not making progress and doing everything right you need to get a full blood panel thyroid, test, metabolic health, really find out what the fuck is going on in your body before blasting a bunch of shit. The benefits have to outweigh the risk and in many cases they do.

should I hop?

>>76760742 (OP)
Stop trying to convince the nattys to roid.
There's already too many people on roids that have business doing it.
>If you're not going to spends lots of time reading and researching so you actually know what you're doing,
>AND then are prepared to dedicate yourself to the gym as much as you would a full time job
>AND you are going to take high doses to get huge, not bitch doses to look like a slightly bigger natty
>AND are prepared for the side effects and health consequences
just do yourself a favor and stay natty because you're just wasting time, money and health for mediocre results

>>76760742 (OP)
Roid tranny micro penis cope

>>76760748
Enjoy the cancer and organ failure. You failed the test.

>>76760742 (OP)
>why aren't you on gear yet
I like it when my penis gets hard when i want it to without pills

>>76760748
See if you can get a good primo source and run test + primo + hgh (maybe not if you're too pretty or lose hair) rather than cranking up the test in the future.

frens im gonna nattymaxx with enclomiphene and mk-677 am i gonna die or something? MT-2 and BPC-577 too

>>76760742 (OP)
>Why aren't you on gear yet?
Lifted hard enough to know I don't even need it.

if you can't do research and learn basic pharmacology you shouldn't be doing roids
simple as

Buy an ad

>>76760852
Currently on 400 test, 450 npp, 150 primo, and 4iu hgh/day. 4 weeks so far and seeing good gains. Gonna run it for 16-20 weeks. Got some Iranian pharma-grade anadrol in case i want to end the cycle with an extra kick. Sick of the natty grind

>>76760755
...clomiphene is not TRT bud. It'll raise your T some but all its really doing is helping you run natty peak levels as much as possible, and that's not factoring in other factors that can interfere.

>>76760915
best case scenario if you are at 500 ng/dl it gets you to 1000-1100, worst case scenario it gets you to 850-900 ng/dl that's pretty good for a pill with no side effects

>>76760915
>>76760924
That’s all I want to do which is why it is good for a lot of people. It actually grows your testicles as opposed to traditional TRT.

>>76760939
and what will you do after talking clomiphene for months or years and you're still dyel and nothing else in your life has improved because of it?

>>76760943
I will be happy because ill reap the benefits of HGH secretagogues and being on the higher range of natty test levels while keeping my hair and having a functional dick

>>76760961
Bingo. Not risking my hair.

>>76760961
>the higher range of natty test levels
means absolute fuck all
You will notice jack shit going from one point within the natty range to a slightly higher one.
Same goes for HGH. Unless you already have some weird condition where you dont have make enough HGH, the amount of extra HGH you''ll produce wont be enough to do shit.
What ever life problems you think you'll solve by becoming a "high T chad" arent going to change one bit.
But have fun and dont forget to post body when you're done

Clomiphene drops IGF-1 levels by around 50%
https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/9/7/bvaf078/8124432
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/100/5/1863/2829658
https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/8/Supplement_1/bvae163.2423/8121984

wtf are you guys talking about. isnt Clomiphene for infertile women?

>>76761004
I've replied to this copypasta before, but yeah that's in thing nowadays.
Instead of roiding to be huge they take bitches doses to look like a slightly bigger natty.
That MPDP faggot started all of this

>>76761010
And tren is for cattle so what's your point?

>>76760852
Bodybuilding sources rn are kind of fucked after the recent China sting operation bruh :(

>>76761010
In men it doubles the test levels. It’s used to treat male infertility as well.

>>76761011
You mean the same guy who hopped off gear and went back to DYEL?

>>76760742 (OP)
>the same results
the guy in the first example won't look like he's 50 when he's 25.

I don't need it.

>grass fed pasture raised

Lmao yeah you’re retarded

>>76760742 (OP)
Im actually good at it i grow weekly cutting or bulking, ive done my time using real man drugs so i can think my way into gains using creativity AND persistence.

>>76760742 (OP)
The flabby guy on the left mogs 99% of /fit/ when he has a shirt on

>>76761410
Because he’s on tren as well just less than the other guy

>>76760742 (OP)
I think the only people who should take gear are the genetically gifted top 1%, because they have a shot at ifbb pro title, the rest is just wasting money and health most of them take gear to look like they put in the work for 2-5 years but they are not impressive, at any giving point 50% of gymcels at ur local gym are enhanced according to latest statics, the oversized delts and traps gives it away, but when i'm looking at them side by side compared to me (34 yo, been only doing this consistently for 3 years they are not impressive apart from maybe a couple, if u're doing it because u lack a personality, just drink alcohol and do cocaine instead it gives u way more charisma

>gear
What does this even mean? Some untested illegal substances or just testosterone therapy on prescription? And if it's the former, why isn't the latter good enough for these faggots?

>>76761550
Heres what you zoomers don’t understand. Eventually you’ll get arrested for coke and have to put in some work for your people. The 130lb chain smoking alcoholic is a liability on that yard son.

when does the horniness on gear go away?

>>76761410
prime cookie btw

>>76760781
You should try working out first before deciding to inject shit from god knows where into your body. Your pic exemplifies someone who has put in minimal effort into their body. Taking gear is only going to fuck your shit up long term if you arnt willing to put in any work. You dont need gear, you need discipline.

>>76760755
Try enclomiphene, it's clomiphine with the harmful part taken out.

>>76761819
I’d like to try HCG

>>76761005
That's why you run enclomiphene with mk-677 (raises your IGF-1), that's the natty stack

>>76762264
what are the side effects and what does this shit actually do? im 23
I keep hearing that mk doesnt do shit by itself unless you're going through puberty

>>76761566
>And if it's the former, why isn't the latter good enough for these faggots?
you dont even know what "testoserone therapy on prescription" means.

>>76762306
enclomiphene has no side effects that you will notice, still look them up in case you are the 1% that notices something. the drug is fairly recent and theres no studies on it's long-term effects.
>mk-677
it works, it's not like pinning HGH but it gives you a lot of the benefits, better sleep, clear skin, increased muscle mass (nothing crazy), faster recovery one of the bad side effects is that it makes you really really hungry. if you even care what makes it different to just pinning HGH is that you produce the hormone naturally and you release it in pulses (that's how your body likes it) so you won't have crazy spikes or anything like that if you have the money it's worth it

>>76761786
i read that even by doing nothing you grow on gear

>>76762351
And like a retarded zoomer you believe everything you see on the internet even if it directly contradicts what you see in real life.

>>76760781
Yeah on a fucking gym subscription and a decent diet
>>76762405
Not the anon but he's right, there's studies that show lean mass gains on roids while doing nothing. But we're talking about untrained people, not dudes busting their ass.

>>76762327
Thanks for your valuable response.

>>76761770
>never lifts
>looks like this
genetics is a brutal pill

>>76760742 (OP)
bro who's on gear looks like he's severely dissociating

>>76762674
bro has nosmile incel lips, arab eyebrows, chinese eyes, a cartoon chin, and liposuction cheeks.
this the kinda look that only other sexually ambiguous men find attractive

>>76762629
>Not the anon but he's right, there's studies that show lean mass gains on roids while doing nothing. But we're talking about untrained people, not dudes busting their ass.
I'm untrained, so I can hop and just wait, right?

>>76760742 (OP)
Because im not a faggot >>76759243

>>76760742 (OP)
look how hard the dude on the right is squinting, is he doing it ironically? his eyes are bugging out his head

>>76760742 (OP)
gear is unhealthy, so it reduces your health markers, even if you get more muscle. you will be less attractive

>>76762629
>studies that show lean mass gains on roids while doing nothing.
Again you have no idea what you're talking about.
Its not lean mass is "fat free mass".
And guess what, steroids give most people aboutt 10lbs of glycogen and water retention with the first few weeks which corresponds exactly with the mass increase the study shows.

>>76761010
medications often have multiple usages yes

>>76760746
Im sure there are TONS of sites where you can see men posing. Instagram, I bet, has hundreds of thousands of photos. Or are you like an OF simp/orbiter, making requests for certain things from a specific person to get your rocks off?
Queer.

>>76760742 (OP)
I’m not a professional athlete or low test.

>>76762696
>this the kinda look that only other sexually ambiguous men find attractive
looksmaxxers definitely end up looking in some way that is instantly recognizable as a specific look, and they don't look at all like the male models they worship

>>76760742 (OP)
>"Why aren't you on the jew drug yet?"
Because I'd like to live a long healthy life and I don't have body dysmorphia.

>>76763208
Yeah jews really want everyone to have huge muscles.

>>76763322
They want your heart failing and your tendons breaking by your 40s so they can prescribe you more drugs and more surgeries. Think anon, think!

>>76760742 (OP)

Because I love my body and my genes. My goal in gym is to realize the physical potential of my genes, not satisfy any external beauty standard that gays or mentally ill gymbros have

>>76760742 (OP)
That guy obviously doesn't lift enough.

>>76763380
They already do that to the vast majority of the population by keeping them on the couch shoveling garbage into their mouths, watching niggers on netflix and buy junk from Amazon.
They last they want is anyone going to the gym and getting jacked, looking good and getting sex from women when you should be buying doritos and jacking to porn for hours.
Not sure why I'm even replying because you're not even sane.

I don't understand why the only dudes I know on TRT are the same dudes who complain about big pharma and are buying guns and prepping for the world to end. The type of people that see Alex Jones as a role model. Doesn't being on TRT permanently fuck up your hormones? Where are these people going to get their drugs in the apocalypse?

>>76763869
why dont ask them?

>>76763869
>the same dudes who complain about big pharma

Seems most do that. On the other side, they criticize Big Pharma but were the first to line up for COVID vaccines.

>>76763869
>Doesn't being on TRT permanently fuck up your hormones?
Yes
>Where are these people going to get their drugs in the apocalypse?
nta but personally i'm planning to just buy a 1kg block of raws and make my own vials eventually