Thread 105864502

After at least a year of hesitating between the prospect of upgrading to windows 11 or switching to babys first linux, I finally did it today.

stop promoting stuff that looks awful and scares away potential users

>>105864555
I will install cubes next. It seems to align more with my ethos

Linux Mint comes in three DE flavors, two of which are known to be conservative by design, so their supposed outdatedness can be justified as a feature.. Cinnamon serves as the flagship desktop, and is thus burdened with certain expectations of modernity. Due to its superficial similarities with Windows and ease of use, this is what a significant portion of new Linux are exposed to, adding a lot of pressure to provide a good first impression.

I've begun to question if Cinnamon is truly up to the task of being a desktop worthy of recommendation among the general populace. Technology is moving fast, and other major desktop environments have been innovating a lot since the birth of Cinnamon. One big elephant in the room is Wayland support, which is still in an experimental state. The recent developments in the Linux scene to drop X11 support have put this issue in the spotlight. If there isn't solid Wayland support soon, Cinnamon users will be left in the dirt when apps outright stop working on X11 platforms. Now, there's reason to believe that it's just a matter of time for this one issue to be addressed, but that still leaves a lot of other things on the table. GNOME's latest release has introduced HDR support, which is yet another feature needed for parity with other major platforms. How long will Cinnamon users have to wait for that to become accessible?

Even if patience is key to such concerns, there's still a more fundamental question about the desktop's future. Cinnamon inherits most of its components from GNOME, but many of these came all the way back from 2011 when GNOME 3 launched. To this day, there are still many quirks that are remnants of this timeline. For instance, Cinnamon is still limited to having only four concurrent keyboard layouts. This is an artifact of the old X11-centric backend that GNOME ditched as early as 2012. This exemplifies the drift that naturally occurs with forked software, and it's only going to get worse at the current velocity.

>>105865119
May I have a use case for a fifth concurrent keyboard layout?

>>105864502 (OP)
planning on doing the same with CachyOS when my new PC comes in, i dont see any reason to continue using a clunky webUI ridden mumbai OS when im not really married to any windows exclusive tools

>>105864555
mint is good for babyducks like myself

>>105864502 (OP)
I switched about a year ago because my laptop came with Windows 11 and it's unironically the worst OS I've ever used. It would constantly fail to wake my laptop up from sleep mode, it kept it running at 300° even while doing basic web browsing, it would constantly ask me to "finish setting up", I even tried to give in and use onedrive and it deleted my files. It was awful.

I haven't looked back and I'm an active Linux evangelist now.

I had a teacher in high-school who helped me clear the cmos on one of those tiny office pcs to install a new os. He made a mint usb for me and got caught showing me funny videos after hours by the principal. Cool guy still stopped using mint though cause im dumb. He looked just like the dude from Falling Down

>>105864502 (OP)
Been dualbooting Mint for a year. I only jump to Windows to do audio work because my audio plugin libraries don't work on Linux, and I just do music for fun anyways. I'm just gonna keep dual-booting and blocking windows from accessing the internet, this setup is unironically perfect for me and Mint has given me zero problems for an entire year, which I definitely can't say about Windows.

>>105865119
Is this a pasta?

>>105864502 (OP)
you should also register on their forums so you can enjoy getting hacked lmao

>>105864502 (OP)
> op starts his distro hopping journey before coming back to windows

>>105864502 (OP)
DO NOT CUM

>>105864502 (OP)
Good choice.
Mint is pretty nice.

Not sure if I chose the right distro wit mint cinnamon
Even the other versions of mint may be less bloated

>>105866175
their devs are cant into security

>>105866603
You could make the argument that Cinnamon was "bloated" back in 2013 or whenever they forked it from GNOME 3. Back when "netbook" computers were still a thing, 128GB SSDs were common and 256GB SSDs were still expensive.

These days, if you're worried about the "bloat" of too many of their built-in convenient tools installed, you are probably focusing on the wrong things. Disk space of a few applications won't be a performance game-changer for you.
If you're worried about the performance of graphical effects, just turn them off (I use Cinnamon and I turn them off).

The most valid arguments against Cinnamon, I feel, are (1) you don't like the Windows 7-style desktop experience, (2) you need more complex multi-monitor DPI scaling than Cinnamon offers as an easy configuration, or (3) you really, really want to use Wayland. Those are all fine reasons to avoid Cinnamon. Otherwise, it's roughly the same as the other big three DEs of KDE, GNOME and COSMIC.

>>105864502 (OP)
Some practical advice, anon. You'll probably soon encounter some problem that makes you want to give up because you're not familiar with Linux, and you'll think about switching back to Windows. But if you push through and figure it out, everything gets easier from there. If you make it to maybe the third month you're pretty much home free, so just push through the difficult parts until then.

>>105864502 (OP)
Nice anon. How you been liking it?

>>105864502 (OP)
For vidya
>Menu > System Settings > General > disable compositing for fullscreen windows
>install Lutris
>install Heroic Games Launcher
>install Steam (optional)
I prefer Lutris since it's easier to enable MangoHUD, cap FPS and do FSR, but Heroic honestly has the more sleek interface.

>>105864502 (OP)
Mint cured my distro hopping.
>>105864555
>Papirus-Dark
Fixed.

>>105864502 (OP)
Why would anyone use mint when system76 cosmic and popos exists?

>>105865119
>certain expectations of modernity
>other major desktop environments have been innovating a lot
But anon, everything "modern" just looks like a tablet interface now.

>>105864502 (OP)
i'll probably do the same.
do you guys suggest cinnamon or mate flavour for someone who's new to linux and nostalgic of windows7?

>>105867817
arch is pretty good

>>105864502 (OP)
Switched to Mint from Windows a year or so ago. This is the happiest I've ever been with an OS. Most of that is just about running on Linux, but Mint itself is pretty frictionless. I'm glad to finally have a system that works for me, not against me.

>>105864502 (OP)
I lik e Cinnamon & Mint. I hope they fork or purge other Gnome & Red Hat projects, and steal stuff like Nix.

>>105864555
mint is good, no one should run autism tranny distros

>>105864502 (OP)
I switched to Mint about a year ago, and it was definitely worth it. Congratulations on making the right choice!

>>105869109
>>105868477
Have you had a lot of maintenance on it since installing it?

>>105867145
Havent used it yet. Just installed it last night.

Regrets. Linux Mint freezes at random if you use Cinnamon. You might be good with XFCE... as long as you don't play games, that is. The best Linux for me was OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, KDE Minimal was awesome and IceWM was peak Windows experience with minimal RAM consumed. Miss these days.

>>105867321
So does the newest version of Cinnamon with its rounded prompt shenanigans.

>>105870101
Never had any freezes from Cinnamon on 4 different computers with very different hardware. Might be something unique on your end but Cinnamon freezing is certainly not very common.

>>105865119
thank you chatGPT

>>105867064
pretty good breakdown
At the end of the day what they're going for is 0 attrition for new users, they're trying to sell linux to someone that never used it before, and before those people can learn what they want or what they like they need to learn about other options as well in a cozy envirnoment

>>105867254
>compositing for fullscreen windows
what is it and what it does?

OP here. Main reason I wanted to switch
1. Not on board with copilot, telemetry, closed source, using me to harvest data

2. Inefficiency of windows heating up my laptop like a fying pan

3. Increasing blue screens

4. I believe bill gates is a servant of satan

>>105867113
What kind of issues? I cant really think of something right now

>>105870646
i can imagine a first time user having issues with making some stuff run, like having to clone xpadneo from git and run the install script to make wireless joysticks work
Shit's easy once you get the hang of it but normies have been consistently dumbed down for decades with smartphones

>>105870687
I wonder. I find it hard to estimate how hard things are when there exists documentation you can just follow. For example people said zmk keyboard software is really hard. But i just followed the docs and it was fine

>>105870609
Nice to hear. I'm still using Win11 but reasons are appearing for me to switch to Linux.
1. Windows restoring rounded window corners after each updoot.
2. Wi-fi not connecting.
3. Task Host Window not stopping when restarting.
4. Same as the first one you pointed out.

>>105870796
I installed it in parallel to windows 10 for now, so I wont be stranded during urgent stuff that I havent figured out yet how to do in linux or cant be done in linux

>>105870609
I switched over a few months ago, and I switched for pretty much the same reasons. I think the biggest motive for me was the forced updates and shit I wasn't allowed to uninstall or change.
The final nail in the Windows coffin was when I tried to install Mint and I found out then that my whole disk had been encrypted without my knowledge or permission, and I needed to decrypt it and turn off secure boot in order to dual boot (I've since deleted the Windows partition once I got comfortable with Mint). It really didn't sit right with me that I needed to go crawling back to Windows and beg its permission to install another OS.
The only troubles I've had were my own fault. I'd much rather break things myself and find out how to fix them, than turn on the computer and find out some AI coder at Microsoft broke shit and the only forum thread about it is some guy saying "have you installed the latest updates? If so, just wait for another one."

>>105870796
*Wifi wavering after updooting, on the 2nd reason.

>>105870846
How is the updates situation in linux mint? I am not a computer scientist, I just use computers as a tool. So I never looked into any windows update in my entire life

>>105870862
for one no one will ever force you to update
Mint comes with an update manager that is simply a GUI that runs apt update and apt upgrade for you with a single click
The package repo is mostly Ubuntu, so it's fairly stable but you won't have to bother with PPA's as much as with debian

for the love of god stop reccomending mint, new comers should be using a rolling release distro with packages as up to date as reasonably possible i.e anything arch based
you dont have to use arch theres like 15 other distros that use the same repos but have a nice GUI installer if youre too lazy to read
too many times i have had to help friends who were trying out ubuntu or mint or some other garbage and then had to explain them oh no sorry you cant get this app without pasting all these commands into your terminal
or when they try to do a distro upgrade and everything just fucking breaks on them

I use a 10 year old computer and mint does the job just perfectly fine.

>>105870947
all fine and dandy till the driver update black screens and you've got to explain them oh no sorry you've got to run a sys restore

>>105870862
>>105870943
One thing I like about it all is that you don't have to restart the computer right away (or for some you don't need to at all) for most updates. You can restart when you want and it doesn't hijack the computer.

>>105870947
Whats so hard about pasting a few commands? I dont get it

>>105870976
literally never happens, distros like cachy and bazzite are explicitly made for gaming and dont have these issues and ive never had this issue on my base arch install even with nvidia and wayland
>>105870984
it turns people off immediately when they cant use their favorite app with the latest updates, you need to ease people into these kinds of things

>>105870977
>paru -S firefox
>watching youtube video
>finish video try to go to another one
>"You need to restart Firefox to keep using it!"
why are mozilla like this

>>105870998
As i said im not some type of computer scientist, but this doesnt sound harder than making the python script work to press the shift key every 3 minutes.

Had to install all kinds of shit in the command and then also I had to figure out that those libraries or what its called dont work in the recent python. So i had to find the version that did work and then a lot of shit with another thing called chocolate or anaconda

But hey in the end it works it was quite satisfying when it did

>>105871035
even knowing what python is already puts you far above the average person, normal people are never opening cmd in windows or a terminal in linux, they want to open their browser watch their youtube play their steam games
and linux is actually really good at that kind of normie usage now, but in general its a barrier to have to do all this extra shit when you can use a distro with up to date packages and use a GUI to click and install what you need like normies are used to

>>105871069
I see your point. I think for me it will be fine though. I want to eventually use cubes but first reading up on it more and then getting a new computer. Also figuring out the most intelligent way to get it which is not simply downloading but think big picture opsex

>>105870315
I don't know the details but other anons and an AI I asked said disabling it gives a boost to game performance.

>>105870862
You can update when you want to, the GUI update manager has neat little checkboxes so you can choose whether to update each individual package, and that's about it. It's simple, intuitive, and puts the power in your hands.
I like how Mint sort of eases you into using the command line; you could get by with just the GUI stuff, but once you start reading man pages or wikis (and editing configs with Vim), it's hard to go back.

>>105871017
Dunno, firefox updating probably works differently. But I was just referring to the os itself for the most part.

>>105870947
>for the love of god stop reccomending mint
Don't worry /g/uy, CachyOS topped it in DW today. And I prefer Tumbleweed anyway.

>>105872103
You mean MX Linux isn't always in the top of that anymore? Then again been awhile since I last looked at that site but it was always MX Linux on the top.

>>105872467
Nope. Mint has been reigning with almost 3k HPD, but then it took a steady decline until CachyOS surpassed it.

>>105872588
Interesting