Thread 106224002

seriously how the fuck do I get any tech job
I'd be content with a 30k/year junior role just for the experience
even as an unpaid intern I'd be happy

do I just have to change my name to something indian?

>>106224002 (OP)
Learn a trade. People memed about this for years, but it's never been more relevant. Tech is no longer a viable career for newcomers.

>>106224002 (OP)
Use AI.

>>106224002 (OP)
>seriously how the fuck do I get any tech job
you hone your skills, fkn duh
you seem to take a market with loads of demand as baseline
but thats exceptional
yeah theres more offer than demand.
you have to compete. welcome to the adult world

>>106224002 (OP)
>$30k a year
that's less than a fucking amazon warehouse worker
why would you want more mentally demanding job is you can earn more with your 4 sissy limbs?

>>106224002 (OP)

I feel bad for anyone with passion for tech who graduated this spring. TBQH, The short answer is you are SOL in the US until the tariff non-sense is repealed one way or another. Find any source of income and hunker down. The next 1-3 years are going to suck.

>>106224002 (OP)
Honestly, I think people just have shit personalities in this field. We live in an age where a significant portion of younger applications are riddled with personality disorders that make them difficult to work with. Perhaps worst of all, they are terrible at receiving criticism. Lump this together with a job that has this level of 'elitism' associated with it ("I'm smarter than you", "My skills deserve X", "I only want to work X hours a week"), and you wind up with a job pool of unlikable assholes.

Every one of my friends with a computer science of coding background has jobs as long as they have a friendly personality, even the ones who lean more on the autistic, anti-social side. You know the ones who don't have jobs? The doomers, the one's on anti-depressants, the ones who keep going back to school every few years for more degrees and certs because they're convinced that's the issue.

Honestly, if you're willing to work and know your basics, I think you'll be just fine. All you have to do is not be an asshole or a mentally-ill, entitled idiot.

And this is speaking from fact. My team has interviewed and turned down several candidates who performed 'better' on the hands on portions of the interview because they simply fell apart at the first hint of criticism or explanation. People tend to get very defensive when you ask them about the code they wrote, or they have a tendency to just lie. So many interviewees say "I know this", and you get them to attempt to show you an example and they turn into fumbling, lying fools. You know the people we tend to hire? The ones who are willing to admit they don't know something, but are happy to learn. But LinkedIn and social media has these kids wired up to believe they need to be one of these "10x engineers" or the next CEO of the next billion dollar start up to matter.

>>106224034
>you have to compete. welcome to the adult world
oh wow I had no idea.
elaborate?

>>106224171
I believe anon was trying to say: git gud fgt

>>106224142
Yeah I work in software sales, have for years at this point, and it's crazy how much I personality mog the creatures coming out of college now just by being in my mid 30s and having experience. I've never felt less threatened by young new hires, they literally do the gen Z stare, dont follow up with clients, are terrified at having to schedule customer lunches/dinners, can't travel to customer sites due to made up illnesses, the list goes on. It takes us forever to hire on the team because the zoomers we interview all brutally bomb the most basic tasks (usually the 30 minute sales presentation to a panel is where it all blows up for them).

>>106224171
you want a hard method?
you scrape linkedin
you correlate buzzwords to domeins
sort em by ocurrence
and go on by one for the list of your domain, and you build projects until you build one that uses all the fucntionaliites of the language
into the portfolio it goes
rinse and repeat

>>106224171
>>106224246
cont.
actually what i outlined above seems like a fun project to do
theres a wee bit of stats thinking
theres alot of data so engineering concerns like design specs and such
prolly finding a way to scrape linkedin is gonna be something to figure out
and its alr something you could put in a portfolio, you can demostrate your knowledge of multiple languages and frameworks and showcase your inventivity

If you're working to work for free, find something that bothers you and build a solution for it. Sell it once you can make it run, get AI to plot out a b2b campaign for you

>>106224357
>get AI to plot out a b2b campaign for you
underrated way of leveraging the chatbots
(t. not op)

>>106224246
Don't do that, instead find something you believe brings value and develop it. Instead of a toy project, aim for a pet project.

>>106224002 (OP)
Apply to private companies who need entry level in-house techs. I hire people with 2yr degrees or a couple certs, at $20/hr + benefits. From there you move up or get experience and leave when you're ready. Consider construction companies, local shop chains, or even smaller ISPs.

>>106224450
self employement comes with its own set of challenges
its riskier but theres much more potential for growth econ. and skill wise with self employement
one is not gonna lose on continuous training though
for instance
in a fraction of the time it takes to make a game one could learn the basics of opencl.
and then transpose the skills then learned into glsl to leverage compute shaders
its an important technology that can allow for gigantic scales in a game, completely changing the scope of the gameplay

tldr;
you never know when a specific technology may be handy
i dont think its a bad idea to check out stuff, or even do cross domain experiments

>>106224002 (OP)
The current meta is to intersperse "AI" into every paragraph.

Ex.
Before:
>Education: B.S. Computer Science
>Employment history: Help Desk, Backend Web Dev
>Skills: C++, Python, Node.JS, Visual Studio

After:
>Education: B.S. Computer Science with a specialization in Machine Learning
>Employment History: AI Support Specialist, Backed AI Dev
>Skills: CUDA, Pytorch, Tensorflow, Jupyter

>>106224057
>why would you want more mentally demanding job is you can earn more with your 4 sissy limbs?
better scalable job, better prospects

>>106224002 (OP)
>I'd be content with a 30k/year junior role
>even as an unpaid intern I'd be happy
I would never hire someone with this little self-worth.

>>106224558
you get better prospects by getting certified in lorry and FLT certified

>>106224571
>I would never hire someone with this little self-worth.
That's why you're not a recruiter. You want to exclusively hire people with as little self-worth as possible. Every ounce of dignity is a liability.

>>106224571
this exactly describes Indians, so why do they keep getting hired before setting foot in the US?"

>>106224232
I just find lying and silence to be the most common responses during coding tests. And our hands-on tests are super entry level stuff; we aren't trying to catch anyone off guard with very advanced stuff. It's typically comprised of:
>Write a basic SQL select and add a an aggregate function to it
>Write a simple class to handle X
>Write a simple function or method to retrieve all class objects where name = X

And so many candidates, not only young people, bomb it or just try to lie to us. But the flip side of this is that even the people who do well always tend to have a hard time with anything human facing. As you mentioned, even interacting with co-workers can be challenging, which is a huge reason why I think so many people get passed up. Then they blame it on x, y, and z instead of looking in the mirror.

I've actually had people we were ready to send offers to who disqualified themselves because they crashed out in the follow up e-mails. I've had follow-up emails questioning our way of interviewing and our coding tests while finishing up with "Excited to be part of such a great team!"

Just absolute brainlet-tier people in this field.

>>106224246
>>106224340
Again, why do you think to get a job you need to scrape LinkedIn, build projects specifically for the language, etc...

That sounds like something someone with no experience or knowledge would do, which I suppose would be a decent exercise. But again, it's very naive to say you're going to build a project that uses 'all the functionalities of the language'. That's complete overkill.

Just apply and get into interviews and do not completely sperg out in your interviews talking about the shit you just typed out here. I SUPPOSE that if you're being interviewed by the insane people who aim for FAANG jobs, maybe that's impressive? But you DO NOT want to work for those maniacs.

>>106225062
Yeah, it seems like growing up with smart phone social media hasn't taught them to lie or keep the mask on. Just because you think something, and just because its valid doesn't mean it needs to be said. If a coding test was dogshit who cares, get the job and complain to your friends later but don't air it out immediately after doing it. People are way too comfortable oversharing, sometimes I hear stuff or people be confrontational in meetings about the gayest shit ("I just want to say the way this was worded was really painful for me to read", etc.) and I can't tell if I'm on impractical jokers. Shutting the fuck up is a skill.

>>106224534
Possibly, but you'd be surprised how many people simply do not modify their resume to include the key words found within the job requirements. If the job mentions AI a dozen times in the preferred skills, then load your resume up with AI. However, you're best bet is always going to be to tailor your resume to match the skills the employer is looking for - how do you think they automatically match resumes with the position to interview?

>>106224602
because unlike anon, they have actual skill and are just trying to escape poverty.

>>106224142
very true. they have entitlement and no loyalty so they are a bunch of negatives. a company should have enough a pool of employees who can ask around and vouch for youngsters they know who can fill roles instead of some rando grad who will complain about working in an office.
almost none of them have any significant skills because those people are at MIT or whatever and have already been poached by big companies before their final year of college.
these people are the middle of the bell curve and not worth the risk to hire unproven.

>>106224002 (OP)
According to the government, unemployment is at an all time low. Both Biden and Trump's administration claimed this so you can't say it's partisan lies.
According to employers, they can't find anyone suitable for open positions. It's all retards and obvious liars apply but no one with the required skills.
Wish this was a troll post but both of the above are what's being claimed and there's no sign that they will stop claiming this. Meanwhile third worlders are being imported wholesale and Congress is trying to cutoff benefits to people who have been excluded from the job market by the above. The money will go to tax cuts for the companies doing the above.

Aside from my actual tasks I'm also responsible for tardwrangling interns at my company so bossman can get some free work.

Hey zoomer retards, I have hints for you:
1. Make separate discord accounts if your internship provider uses discord or some other troonfest. When you're a grown dude with a nick like "DaddysGayKitten" and a profile pic of Rei from Evangelion, while everyone else is Name+Surname, then you gonna stick out on the daily and not in a le based chad way since we laugh at you behind your back.
2. If your main company chat in on Discord, then disable rich presence and activity tracking. People booting up Marvel Rivals during work time get noticed.
3. Holy shit take your time, listen to what I say and actually do as you're instructed to. Sending me a document after an hour when expected it to take a day doesn't look good when its content is useless, unfinished and filled with errors. Pretending to be eager and asking for more work won't help you here, especially when I need to waste my own time fixing your shit myself when I literally told you what to do like you're an AI prompt. Doing this over and over for weeks is why we won't call you with an offer after your internship.

>>106225152
So what just completely lie and copy the job description keywords into your resume
Fuck hiring is so fucking stupid, companies really deserve every bad thing that happens to them.

>>106225549
No, just you need a resume that matches what the job is asking for. Do not apply for jobs you feel you are not qualified for; then you are lying.

For example, if the bulk of skill requirements talk about C#, Visual Studio, and PostGRE, be sure that your resume includes those a ton (if you've actually used them). Do not keep MySQL or MicrosoftSQL on your resume. Do not keep Visual Studio Code or some other IDE on your resume. Do not list that you know Python 4 times - keep it on C#.

If you're applying for a job that's asking for Python, PyCharm, and MySQL - then leave those on your resume.

Do not apply for the C#, Visual Studio, PostGREs position if you have zero experience in those.

>>106224142
>they have a tendency to just lie. So many interviewees say "I know this", and you get them to attempt to show you an example and they turn into fumbling, lying fools. You know the people we tend to hire? The ones who are willing to admit they don't know something, but are happy to learn.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's many hiring managers who think like you. I know people who got accepted into roles they're absolutely clueless in, purely because of their ability to bullshit their way though interviews. I know people who are good at their jobs, but only got the job because they lied about having previous experience. I keep getting told I'll get nowhere without lying and am constantly shown proof where this pays off. I happen to be a terrible bullshitter and not a particularly... "approachable" person, so my only hope is to get hired by someone who appreciates my honesty and actually believes that I'm competent, which is not likely to happen.

>>106225130
>Just apply and get into interviews
This is much easier said than done. If you go ask anyone on /utwg/ they'll tell you that on average, people send literally hundreds of applications to get a single interview.
I recently started applying for jobs and I finally got an initial interview for something at 87 applications.
Currently, it's much more about beating whatever AI filtering system HR has than it is about being actually good at your job or even a functioning human being.

>>106225840
Think I'll just start to try lying about working at Google and going to Harvard or something. It makes more sense to lie and at least get to the interview, even if you get found out it's not a 100% chance you will.
So a 1% chance to get an interview without lying and maybe 10% chance to get a job. vs 90% chance to get an interview with lying but a .5% chance to get a job.

>>106225062

You are hiring people based on whether they can solve your trivial challenges? Good luck working with bottom of the barrel who cannot architect anything because they only know language grammar, not system design.

Also, writing a class to handle one thing? You must have mental challenges. Read up more about procedural orchestration with functional paradigm.

If anyone reads this who is aspiring to hire and build their own team, don't be this guy. Ask interesting questions, understand how they approach to problems, ask about their past experience and assess whether they are relevant to your current and future challenges.

>>106226106
>so it says here you went to harvard?
>yea nah I just lied to get the interview
>...oh
yeah that will go over smoothly lmao

>>106224002 (OP)
What a thriving economy! Things clearly are going great and everyone is rich!

>>106224002 (OP)

I had to look to an internship contact to get an unnamed role at a nonprofit charity as an IT Admin. Bizarre track where for 3 years I made under 20k but now I made 70k and have stability.

>>106224002 (OP)
You're better off selling your hole honestly. Technocapital wants you dead.

>>106227256
Those are examples for junior developers fresh out of school, not senior engineers. You are a try hard, and that's why people don't hire you.