Thread 106307240

>Rosatom has revealed a lab prototype of a magnetic plasma rocket engine capable of producing about 6 newtons of thrust with a specific impulse over 100 km/s. Operating at 300 kW in pulsed mode, this breakthrough technology could slash Mars travel times from nearly a year to just 30–60 days while using ten times less fuel than conventional systems. >The prototype is set for trials inside a 14-meter vacuum chamber at Rosatom’s Troitsk facility, marking a major step toward next-generation space propulsion.
Why is the west and far east lagging so much behind in interplanetary tech?

wouldnt step 1 be mimic spacex to research reusable rockets to make sending shit to space economical?

>it needs an 100 tons nuclear reactor
no thanks, retard

>>106307240 (OP)
>6N
>This plasma engine could reach Mars
Literally. Only the engine could get there lmfao

>>106307240 (OP)
Why is Russia the only European country that can innovate and build things?

>>106307258
A Mars journey will never be economical.

>>106307351
lets say you want to DO stuff on mars
that requires many tons of shit sent from earth which requires many ships doing many rounds
you dont do anything relevant before you make it cheap with reusable rockets

>>106307258
The cost of the rocket is a rounding error for most space missions. You do know the space shuttle program on net lost the US money right?

>>106307359
SpaceX reusable rockets can barely do more than LEO.
SpaceX itself says that it only dumps shit into LEO for the military to cross-fund completely different systems (Starship) to go further.
And the Starship is also not going to be reusable when it goes to further orbits.

If you want to go to moon or mars, it makes no sense to waste your time with "economical" LEO flights.

>>106307240 (OP)
>6 newtons
So it's really just a fancy ion drive.

>>106307390
isnt the point that you can make the spacex rocket fuel on mars and then use the self landing rocket to fly back to earth

>>106307402
>ion drive
they are at 250 mN max, so that one is 24 times stronger

>could
>may
>in mice
>in vitro

>>106307407
The SpaceX rocket still has boosters it throws off, anon.
You don't have that booster on Mars anymore and you don't have a pre-installed giant hoop to land in.

The point of Musks reusable rockets is to dump shit into LEO. Because that is a massive military contract.
The current most funded SpaceX project is Starshield. It is a defense contractor doing military things.

Both China and India went with shit to the moon in the past years, while SpaceX doesn't seem to have any priority on going far.
The Starship development is going very slow as well, and stopping to try landing on a flat surface, but instead installing a giant catching aparatus, is a capitulation in itself, even thought that it does look cool.

>>106307240 (OP)
>russia says pee pee poo poo
Commies cant into technology retard, this is just propaganda
Dont forget who won the space race

>>106307478
>who won the space race
Nazis?
They don't exist anymore, Werner Von Braun is dead.

>>106307424
24 times stronger using 100 times the power, which will require significantly more power generation.

>>106307456
This.

>>106307457
The main idea behind Starship is to have both the booster and the ship return to the launch pad, then re-integrate and refuel them, and launch the whole thing again within a timeframe of only a few hours, similar to how airliners work.

>>106307240 (OP)
>6 newtons of thrust
>specific impulse over 100 km/s
>Operating at 300 kW in pulsed mode
completely ignorant retard here.
I don't get it. what can you do with 6N? also, how the fuck do you get 300 kW? isn't that kind of a lot of power for such shitty thrust?

>>106307240 (OP)
This post convinced me that Russia is not pathetic but actually very strong

>>1063 007390
LEO is everything tho
The gap ultimately is space tugs and kick stages.
It's not even like it's a hard thing, Intuitive machines literally had a cryogenic fueled lander they integrated into a falcon 9

Companies just have to break the Apollo idea of having everything in one launch, they are inherently scared of the complexity of mutiple launches and docking

>>106307340
It’s probably about resources. If you can make cheap production of rockets you attract the best talent for them. Also Russians were always great with space. Soviet Union lost the space race because US put people on the moon and then USSR collapsed. USSR beat US in every achievement outside of getting to the moon, and continued being major player in building and operating the international space station. But outside of space I don’t know if they did any innovation at all since the fall of USSR.

>>106308309
>what can you do with 6N?
Anything once you're in orbit. It will just be slow.
also, how the fuck do you get 300 kW?
That's not too much power depending on the mission. That's not much more than the ISS generates so it's definitely doable with solar. I've also seen proposals that plasma engines could be used with fission or fusion reactors to create the interplanetary equivalent of supertankers, but that's obviously decades away at best.
isn't that kind of a lot of power for such shitty thrust?
The point of plasma engines is that they use very little physical fuel in exchange for requiring a lot of energy. When used with solar panels it's almost free thrust. But that requires you to get all the mass for power generation up there so it would only pay off for very long missions.

This sounds like VASIMR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Specific_Impulse_Magnetoplasma_Rocket

>>106307240 (OP)
>6 newtons of thrust with a specific impulse over 100 km/s.
That is.... extremely low power and would have a tiny micro payload.
Also specific impulse is normally given in seconds not delta V.

>>106309373
>That's not much more than the ISS generates
Which has a mass of about 400,000kg, which means using all it's power to get 6N would change it's velocity by 0.015mm/s. Or about 1.3m/s per day of constant acceleration.

>>106309373
300kW = 1000 m2 of solar panels at 30% efficiency on earth (1000W/m2). I think it's like 1300W/m2 in the upper atmosphere, so about 30x30m2 in panels. is that feasible in space?
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19890018252/downloads/19890018252.pdf says radiation in the martian atmosphere is about 600W/m2, so you'd need ~double the area to get to the same level of power.
how lightweight can such a system be? 6N for all this trouble seems kind of shit. but again, I'm ignorant.

>>106307240 (OP)
>Not Western
Well, then it won't fly.
>>106307340
>Russia
>European
Pick one (1).

>>106309797
Likely getting more trust from the solar panels getting hammered by the solar wind than you do from the drive.

>>106309909
jej. then maybe just do that, no? now the problem becomes decelerating in the thin martian atmosphere

>>106307240 (OP)
>>>/sci/

>>106309838
>t. someone who believes that mulattos are white

>russia
>achieving anything

>>106310203
look at the notable firsts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program#Projects_and_accomplishments

>>106310338
>soviet union
>not russia
mental retardation

>>106310338
>Ukrainian being responsible for most of the achievements
BBC Poccnn stronk!

>>106310346
thats like saying the great wall of china isn't a Chinese accomplishment because the CCP didn't build it. fucking moron

>>106310362
Ukraine didn't even exist until 24 August 1991. So not sure how they did shit in the 50s silly faggot

>>106310386
It’s not a relevant metric for technological prowess today. Russia is further from the west today than the sovjets were in the past. Have you finally managed to produce train ball bearings and tetrapak packaging?

>>106310422
>grok, what was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic

I swear zigger-paid jeet threads are so fucking obvious because of the retardation and mental gymnastics

>>106310422
>what is Ukrainian SSR
retarudo-kun...

>>106310030
anything powered by ion drives and similar likely aren't for re-entry

>>106307240 (OP)
Kinda dumb to make announcements like this to your enemies.

>>106307240 (OP)
Russia is so advance they have plasma rockets and robots

>>106307240 (OP)
impressiev

>>106308654
>USSR beat US in every achievement outside of getting to the moon
This is objectively incorrect propaganda spread by tankies. The USSR had a formidable space program but they did not beat the US in everything except getting to the moon.
https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/space-astronomy/space-race-timeline

>>106307240 (OP)
At the lowest possible distance between Earth and Mars, 21 km/s average velocity would be required. So having access to 5 times that sure sounds promising. Just wondering how that curve would look for manned flight. You can’t simply accelerate that much unless you want to repaint the inside of the ship red.