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Anonymous No.106309454 [Report] >>106309497 >>106309554 >>106309585 >>106309713 >>106309715 >>106309732 >>106310062 >>106310103 >>106310149 >>106310185 >>106310211 >>106310453 >>106310728 >>106310752 >>106310770 >>106310896 >>106311266 >>106311361 >>106316204 >>106316745 >>106317467 >>106317667 >>106317883 >>106318320
reminder that the intel 14900k will the the most powerful CPU you will ever get that is designed purely in house and not outsourced to anyone else
Anonymous No.106309497 [Report] >>106311400 >>106317248
>>106309454 (OP)
>400W power drain followed by 400℅ performance degradation and eventual failure
Yeah, sounds lile intel
Anonymous No.106309554 [Report] >>106310082
>>106309454 (OP)
Nova Lake will make it look like a woman.
Anonymous No.106309585 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
It's pretty good if you undervolt / underclock it. ~5.3Ghz is the absolute sweet spot for Intel. Can drop it 200W easily while losing minimal performance.
If you play bing bing wahoos, maybe look into the 9950X3D, but older games run far better on Intel and don't have issues.
Anonymous No.106309713 [Report] >>106312817
>>106309454 (OP)
For me it's the humble 13600k/14600k
Anonymous No.106309715 [Report] >>106310337
>>106309454 (OP)
>oxidizes and kills itself
Anonymous No.106309732 [Report] >>106309759
>>106309454 (OP)
Can it get better framerates in CPU bound games versus the 7800x3D?
Anonymous No.106309759 [Report] >>106310275
>>106309732
Yeah. No AMDip
Anonymous No.106310062 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
14600k is cheap as fuck and performs on the level of 9700x.
Anonymous No.106310082 [Report] >>106310093
>>106309554
Nova is the name of a character from a cancelled videogame. Possibly a cursed choice.
Anonymous No.106310086 [Report] >>106310303
Yeah but my 5800x3d is years old now and performs about the same as that CPU in vidya while TDP capped at 65w
Anonymous No.106310093 [Report]
>>106310082
It is also the name of multiple characters from multiple not-cancelled videogames
Anonymous No.106310103 [Report] >>106316828
>>106309454 (OP)
>the Intel 14900K will be the the most powerful CPU you will ever get that is designed purely in house and not outsourced to anyone else
Do you recall where you learned that?
Anonymous No.106310149 [Report] >>106310157
>>106309454 (OP)
And it's the only official chip of Israel!
termux-termite !!1GSw688pHqQ No.106310157 [Report]
>>106310149
this, MIGA
Anonymous No.106310185 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
My 12900K still works fine
Anonymous No.106310211 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
>designed purely in house and not outsourced to anyone else
Why the fuck should that factor in to my purchasing decisions? It's not like that prevented or helped speed up the response to the oxidation issues Intel had.
Anonymous No.106310215 [Report] >>106310229 >>106310275 >>106317291 >>106317355
Im still using my 14900k. No errors or crashes but ive had safe settings dialed in from day 1 and downloaded every bios update. It's a good chip. Some quirks. E-cores are strange and inconsistent performers. I and a game from 2008 stutter like crazy and be unplayable when I forced it to run on the e-cores for science, yet a game that is more demanding and recent ran fine on them. Quirky architecture. That said, there are no real life scenarios where you wouldnt want them anymore. If you're hammering the cpu with more than 8 cores worth of load, better to have extra weird quirky cores than nothing.
Anonymous No.106310229 [Report]
>>106310215
cope.
Anonymous No.106310275 [Report] >>106310291 >>106316794
>>106309759
AMDip is a techtuber psyop, it's true amd used to suck but that's no longer the case.
>>106310215
Fucking liar, i've had two 14900KYSes and every single god damn crash i've had was because the CPU had a random chance of corrupting its internal state while executing certain instruction/memory access patterns.
First cpu didn't even last days, second one lasted one week of gaming on a game that doesn't cause thermal throttling.
The only way a 14900K(amikaze) can last this long is if you've severely underclocked it, have a golden sample and delude yourself into thinking crashes are the dev's fault.
Anonymous No.106310291 [Report]
>>106310275
Your cpu is degraded, sorry anon. Mine isnt. I built it in December when they already released the big fixes and like I said I had it undervolted and vid capped from day 1. I doubt ill ever have issues until I retire it around 2028-2031 but we'll see
Anonymous No.106310303 [Report] >>106310391 >>106310440 >>106311366
>>106310086
>I only play gaymes
so no real need for a CPU then
Anonymous No.106310337 [Report] >>106310453
>>106309715
My 13900k is still at 6Ghz and not had a single problem.
Anonymous No.106310391 [Report]
>>106310303
Nah I encode video and music too. But I don't even use my desktop for that I use my laptop with a ryzen 4650u 6 core and it's still fast enough for that.
Anonymous No.106310440 [Report] >>106311369
>>106310303
There are plenty of games that rely more on the CPU than the GPU.
Anonymous No.106310453 [Report] >>106310479
>>106309454 (OP)
It's a coin toss whether the oxidation or degradation kills these, inevitably. RPL shouldn't be part of any serious conversation nowadays. Absolutely worthless to seriously consider in a system.

>>106310337
>my solitary, isolated experience is the gospel truth

These things are doomed, really. ADL or ARL depending on needs, if it has to be Intel.
Anonymous No.106310479 [Report] >>106310582
>>106310453
>>my solitary, isolated experience is the gospel truth
The irony of this statement
Anonymous No.106310582 [Report] >>106310596 >>106316245
>>106310479
Issues with these chips have been reported ad nauseum by now, by practically every tech news outlet you might care to mention.
Anonymous No.106310596 [Report] >>106316897
>>106310582
Yeah the sensationalism and clickbait has been done to death. Statistically it's still single digit percentage of processors failing.
Anonymous No.106310621 [Report]
3 13600Ks died or were dying before I finally bought a 9800X3D. Absolute pinnacle game performance and for the game dev I do (compiling shaders all day) the huge L3 decimates my workload.
Intel can get fucked and stay fucked until
>They get rid of their CCP takeover agents
>Get rid of their jeets
>Make an actually good fucking product at the barrel of the US Army at least 2 gens in a row
Anonymous No.106310728 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
Yeah I suppose H1Bs don't count as outsourcing
Anonymous No.106310752 [Report] >>106310851
>>106309454 (OP)
No thank you. I'd rather have pic related
Anonymous No.106310770 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
Oh that's one of ones that burns itself to death
Anonymous No.106310851 [Report] >>106311220
>>106310752
it's shit 250W and outperformed by modern laptop chips
Anonymous No.106310896 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
>and not outsourced to anyone else
Doesn't hiring indian engineer count as outsourcing?
Anonymous No.106311220 [Report] >>106311260
>>106310851
its only 190W if you undervolt it and have a good sample
>outperformed
its fast enough for me
Anonymous No.106311260 [Report] >>106311276
>>106311220
>undervolt
only if you have slow ram
Anonymous No.106311266 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
12900K will be the most powerful though.
Since 13900K and 14900K are all on borrowed time.
Anonymous No.106311276 [Report] >>106311325 >>106311377
>>106311260
?
This isn't AMD where you get one voltage, lower vcore vid but not system agent vid, dummy.
Anonymous No.106311325 [Report]
>>106311276
you don't get one voltage on AMD either he's just retarded
Anonymous No.106311361 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
Why would I care where it’s designed?
Does it perform? Does it perform while not using atrociously high amounts of power?
Does it do all that while on a socket that will allow for an upgrade within a few years?

Intel could produce the best CPU in the world (right now it seems they are VERY far away from that), but constantly shoot themselves in their foot by doing the “a socket a year” bullshit.

Unless AMD starts stumbling over their own feet hard, it simply does not make sense to buy intel right now. Not for servers, gaming, HEDT, workstations, what have you. They simply do not compete.
Anonymous No.106311366 [Report]
>>106310303
try playing mappies with a dogshit CPU first and then make this post again
Anonymous No.106311369 [Report] >>106311384 >>106311416 >>106312572 >>106313629
>>106310440
Name three
Anonymous No.106311377 [Report]
>>106311276
i had a 10900k, with a 3200Mhz 32gb kit i could undervolt it, but after i upgraded to a 4000Mhz 64GB kit and any meaningful undervolt became impossible
Anonymous No.106311384 [Report] >>106311421
>>106311369
path of exile 2 and literally any arpg ever
minecraft
beamng
Anonymous No.106311400 [Report]
>>106309497
>oxidation inside
it fucking hurts so much.
never again
Anonymous No.106311416 [Report] >>106311421 >>106311442
>>106311369
all UE5 games, Capcom games (dragon's dogma 2, monster hunter wilds, re4 remake), starfield, factorio
Anonymous No.106311421 [Report]
>>106311384
Nothing my 5800X3D can’t easily handle.

>>106311416
>UE5
Not a game engine. Optimised so poorly it doesn’t run well on any hardware.

Either way, as long as you can reach 150+ frames, what does it matter if the game uses more CPU? In any case, a 9800X3D will net you more frames than any Intel CPU.
Anonymous No.106311442 [Report]
>>106311416
UE5 is just trash
At maxed out settings at 3440x1440, it slows my 9800x3d down to 40-50fps in the middle of the hogsmeade town while my 5090 idles at 20-30% usage
Anonymous No.106312572 [Report]
>>106311369
pretty much all of the racing simulators and probably the aviation stuff too
Anonymous No.106312817 [Report]
>>106309713
I thought it was common knowledge to not buy inte CPUs higher than 12th gen? Didn't they have major problems or something?
Anonymous No.106312933 [Report] >>106316150 >>106316269
>no AVX512
>only 8 P-Cores
>degrading silicon
into the trash it goes.
Anonymous No.106313629 [Report]
>>106311369
Paradox games. You need a mega CPU.
Anonymous No.106315628 [Report]
Do people seriously still buy intel in the year of the lord 2000+5*5?
Anonymous No.106316150 [Report]
>>106312933
The E-cores can be detrimental to performance in games...
Anonymous No.106316204 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
ebin post, /b/ro! ecks dee
Now go back to your containment /b/oard.
Anonymous No.106316245 [Report]
>>106310582
>reported ad nauseum
By clickbait twitter accounts that conveniently leave out the parts of the articles where the fault for the failure lies with the motherboard manufactures and improper BIOS settings.
Anonymous No.106316264 [Report] >>106316838
Remember this?
Anonymous No.106316269 [Report] >>106316699
>>106312933
>muh avx512 nobody uses
termux-termite !!1GSw688pHqQ No.106316699 [Report] >>106317919
>>106316269
Anonymous No.106316745 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
incorrect , that will be granite or diamond rapids.
Anonymous No.106316794 [Report] >>106317238
>>106310275
14900ks is a crapshoot, because it has a very high boost state, and many motherboards incorrectly configured their vrms, leading to insufficient voltage, this is on top of the buggy microcode causing the voltage spikes, and allowed the max boost at much higher temps than intended. Honestly I have no idea how it shipped like that, that microcode should never have made it through QA with even the most basic of confirmation of functionality.
Anonymous No.106316828 [Report]
>>106310103
No, I just recalled the CPU
Anonymous No.106316838 [Report]
>>106316264
they basically met that goal 20a was skipped because 18a was ahead of schedule, intel 3 has been shipping for almost a year. Probably would have been fine if they hadn't booted pat, Lip basically scrapped any chance of meeting deadlines with the direction he has taken.
Anonymous No.106316897 [Report]
>>106310596
Give it a few more years.
You are the kind of person that will be saying “it’s only in the double digit percentages” in a year or too.
You’ll still be buying it in the triple-digit percentage.
Anonymous No.106317120 [Report] >>106317274
He did nothing wrong.
Anonymous No.106317238 [Report] >>106317277 >>106317321
>>106316794
it shipped like that on purpose, they were hoping the silicon could just tank it
you can't keep a core under 70 C (TVB throttle point) when it's boosting to 6.2 GHz at 1.5V
Anonymous No.106317248 [Report]
>>106309497
I have pic related but I still laughed at that. It is sad how much Intel turned 13th and 14th gen into a giant cluster fuck.
Anonymous No.106317274 [Report]
>>106317120
He's based. Every Sunday he posts Bible quotes on twitter and makes lefties seethe so hard.
Anonymous No.106317277 [Report] >>106317303
>>106317238
naw, you can keep 2 cores under 70c with water cooling, or for short durations, plus its supposed to throttle, if it had, it wouldn't have been so bad. degradation accelerates by 2x for roughly every 10c increase, at 90c you're looking at 1/4 the lifespan vs 70c
Anonymous No.106317291 [Report] >>106317309 >>106317341
>>106310215
Crazy how 9800X3D is like 30%-40% faster than this shit.
Anonymous No.106317303 [Report] >>106317391
>>106317277
>naw, you can keep 2 cores under 70c with water cooling, or for short durations
you don't see the spikes above 70 C that the boost system does
IIRC intel can reclock individual cores every 100 microseconds
Anonymous No.106317309 [Report] >>106318394 >>106318436
>>106317291
9800x3d is dog slow in anything that uses more than 8 threads. the 14900k curbs stomps it in productivity.
Anonymous No.106317321 [Report] >>106317341 >>106317366
>>106317238
it doesn't boost to 1.5 volts anymore. use any modern firmware (which you should, so it doesn't kill itself) and its well below 1.5 volts.
Anonymous No.106317341 [Report] >>106317366 >>106317370 >>106317386
>>106317291
it's not a massive difference in gaming if you tune both
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/4be372fb-4f71-4c90-a1a8-eaf6ab6d9f4a
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/da82c5d3-73eb-4a54-b9e6-56a5f505471e
>>106317321
it can still theoretically do that, there's a hard 1.55 V voltage limit now
i know how it works, i have a 14700K
Anonymous No.106317355 [Report] >>106317392
>>106310215
When I had my 13900K I ran benchmarks with CPU-Z since it allows you to test p and e cores independently. e cores are about zen 2 level of performance. its why i sigh to myself when i see people shit on e cores. they are proclaiming their beloved zen is garbage :/

older game issues might be the instruction sets the e cores use. they are more tailored for modern stuff.
Anonymous No.106317366 [Report] >>106317380
>>106317321
>>106317341
and the "modern firmware" is not good for new CPUs, it's tuned to keep degraded CPUs stable at any cost
at least on ASUS it uses intel fail-safe AC/DC LL by default which is going to give you as much voltage as possible
Anonymous No.106317370 [Report] >>106317379
>>106317341
it doesn't matter if it can, it doesn't. i know, i own a 14900k. i actually have had 4 of them total (2 died, 1 i replaced because the final firmware update came out in may and i just didn't want to take any chances down the line, even though i didn't have any issues with it). the moment the firmware updates came out it stopped the 1.5v+ drawing.
Anonymous No.106317379 [Report]
>>106317370
14900K is not 14900KS
14900KS has an even more ridiculous VID table
same as 12900KS and 13900KS but no one noticed degradation on those because the people that buy KS SKUs don't run them with out of the box settings
Anonymous No.106317380 [Report] >>106317398
>>106317366
it is good for new cpu's. it has the fixes to prevent them from frying themselves. holy hell please go play real life frogger or go https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html yourself.

you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
also intel fail safe is to use what intel specs. using non intel fail safe sets the ratings to what the vrm can handle on the motherboard, which can be higher voltages.
Anonymous No.106317386 [Report] >>106317398
>>106317341
Anonymous No.106317391 [Report] >>106317398
>>106317303
that is probably OK, its the sustained load at 90c that is the problem.
Anonymous No.106317392 [Report] >>106317405
>>106317355
>It's 2 generations behind. It's why I sigh.
It's prices should be reflected. An entire zen2 system (mobo, ram, and cpu) can be had for less than tree fiddy
Anonymous No.106317398 [Report] >>106317451
>>106317380
>it is good for new cpu's. it has the fixes to prevent them from frying themselves
yes, the microcode is good, you should use it
but the default settings are designed to keep degraded CPUs alive at the cost of performance and power draw
>also intel fail safe is to use what intel specs
intel fail safe is the MAX intel spec
you aren't allowed to do worse than that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9slwXKUwmnE
>>106317386
i said both tuned
not both stock
>>106317391
yeah it's fine if TVB isn't cheating lmao
Anonymous No.106317405 [Report]
>>106317392
its e cores you mongrel. it has 8 p cores, and 16 e cores. e cores are not the main cores. they are for multi tasking or offloading things that don't need maximum performance for lower power usage. like discord or background tasks , stuff like steam downloading a game in the background. you act like everything runs off the e cores. they don't. even if the OS has a retarded scheduler, intel's hardware dispatcher does a great job keeping things on the right cores.
Anonymous No.106317451 [Report] >>106317511 >>106317533 >>106317566
>>106317398
>but the default settings are designed to keep degraded CPUs alive at the cost of performance and power draw
the default settings is for all, new and old. intel themselves admitted old cpus there is no fix and these updates won't repair any damage to warranty them for a replacement.

the default settings are what intel recommends, for NEW processors because going past them can, even with the firmware fixes, apply too much heat to the clock tree area and kill the cpu.

the clock tree is what is extra sensitive to heat. anything above ~70c for prolong time can cause the clock tree to have a hot spot and slowly fry itself. the firmware put a hard limit at 1.55v's to prevent max boosting drawing to much power, which caused more heat. the other fixes, fixed voltage problems where the cpu overtime would keep requesting to much voltage at idle (even if the clock rates where low, to much voltage at idle, without fast gate switching, causes less heat to dissipate) causing the cpus to fry the clock tree at idle, and fix issues where the cpu was requesting the wrong voltage, at load.

but it doesn't stop the underlining issue, of the clock tree being extra sensitive to heat. you have to run them at the default values if you want them to live. with a good cooler. if you overclock them, then the fixes won't do shit.
Anonymous No.106317467 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
Rust developers love them. They feel right at home.
Anonymous No.106317511 [Report] >>106317533
>>106317451
>for NEW processors because going past them can, even with the firmware fixes, apply too much heat to the clock tree area and kill the cpu
lower AC LL will give LOWER voltages and LOWER heat
intel fail safe will give the CPU the HIGHEST amount of voltage allowed by intel spec
no consumer motherboard needs 1.1mOhm of load-line compensation, even at stock LLC
that's for degraded CPUs and server motherboards with shit VRMs
>if you overclock them, then the fixes won't do shit
i'm not talking about overclocking

do you own 13th gen or 14th gen? it sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
Anonymous No.106317533 [Report] >>106317566 >>106317577 >>106318281
>>106317451
>fixed voltage problems where the cpu overtime would keep requesting to much voltage at idle (even if the clock rates where low, to much voltage at idle, without fast gate switching, causes less heat to dissipate) causing the cpus to fry the clock tree at idle
which is what the final may update fixed.
even at 1v or even 1.1v, at idle, at 800mhz - 1ghz, those voltages were to high and killing the processors because the clock rate wasn't fast enough to keep the clock tree cool. at those frequencies, the gates were not open and closing fast enough to dissipate heat at those low, but for idle, high voltages.
for 800mhz, it has to be around 700mv at idle to be safe. which the may update did.

if you buy a new 14900k, boot it up on the new, final firmware update that has all the fixes, and run the default, stock intel settings, then the cpu's are fine because they will run within operating parameters, under all scenarios. if you overclock them, then they will die because you open back up the clock tree burning itself alive from to much heat.
>>106317511
lower AC outside the intel default spec will cause instability issues because it won't be drawing enough voltages. not all cpu's are the same. intel gives them the vids for a reason.

its why early on many were having instability issues, because they were not giving enough voltage. you inbred mongrel.
Anonymous No.106317566 [Report]
>>106317533
>>106317451
also this is the problem. to many retards that should https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html themselves think the problem was a voltage problem. it wasn't a voltage problem. it was a clock tree problem being WAY to fucking sensitive to heat. voltages, triggered the heat, but where not the actual source of the fucking problem.
intel FUCKED the clock tree design.
Anonymous No.106317577 [Report] >>106317584 >>106317594
>>106317533
>lower AC outside the intel default spec will cause instability issues because it won't be drawing enough voltages
yes it will because no LGA1700 motherboard has such high amounts of vdroop
the AC LL setting is for pushing additional voltage (load-line compensation) as the current increases, the fused VID values don't change
please watch the video i linked earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9slwXKUwmnE
you clearly don't own a raptor lake system so you're just looking to argue for no reason
Anonymous No.106317584 [Report]
>>106317577
please go https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html youself. make canada proud.
Anonymous No.106317594 [Report] >>106317632 >>106317888
>>106317577
Go fuck yourself
Anonymous No.106317632 [Report] >>106317888
>>106317594
i'll be praying for that 14900K
but i'm sure intel will send out a 5th one if you ask nicely
Anonymous No.106317667 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
also both of mine started the random bluescreens after a few months with very little load, so yeah, too good to be true i guess
Anonymous No.106317807 [Report]
AMD should be forced to make CPUs in America or be banned.
Anonymous No.106317883 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)
Yeah I went from a 7700k to a 9950x3d, no thanks.
Anonymous No.106317888 [Report] >>106317928
>>106317594
>>106317632
>tfw my CPU will literally never see 1.45v
This fucker will last forever
Anonymous No.106317919 [Report] >>106318120 >>106318323
>>106316699
>MUH BING BING WAHOO EMULATION
>the lowest performing cpu in the list, an amd, is "only" running over double what any actual switch game actually runs at
Pathetic.
Anonymous No.106317928 [Report] >>106317977
>>106317888
i set a 55x ratio limit, stock LLC, 0.6 AC LL and applied a -100mv adaptive offset so it usually hovers around 1.28 V with max spikes up to 1.33 V
i think the stock VID is ~1.38 V at 55x but ASUS doesn't let you view the VID table unless you have a ROG board (god i hate ASUS)
will do a proper overclock at some point but this works fine (tm) for now
Anonymous No.106317977 [Report] >>106318028
>>106317928
My VID at 60x is 1.404V according to my BIOS
VIDs according to hwInfo float a little higher at 1.42, with an absolute max I've ever seen of 1.45v on the preferred cores
The vcore sensor never ticks above 1.41V

IDK if there is any point in undervolting for me
Anonymous No.106318028 [Report]
>>106317977
>VIDs according to hwInfo float a little higher at 1.42, with an absolute max I've ever seen of 1.45v on the preferred cores
yep this is the current compensation kicking in
the VID in the BIOS is at minimum AC LL, you can think of it as the VID when "0 cores" are active
>IDK if there is any point in undervolting for me
no not really
you can set an IA VR voltage limit of like 1.45-1.475 V just to ensure the CPU doesn't do anything crazy, the worst thing that will happen is it will downclock for a split second
Anonymous No.106318120 [Report]
>>106317919
the lowest performing CPU on the list doesn't have AVX512 at all,, that was added with Zen5, Zen4 did AVX512 in a fake way with dual 256 channels if i remember right. the last Intel that had it was the 12900k but I think intel disabled it there because it was causing crashes because the estrogen cores didnt support it so it only ran on certain threads.
Anonymous No.106318281 [Report]
>>106317533
>lower AC outside the intel default spec
Except this little "Intel Default Spec" only states AC LL = DC LL, and that the maximum is 1.1 mOhms.
AIBs aren't forced to set a 1.1 mOhms AC/DC LL; they do this because it's a convenient way to help the even the worst bins, and some that started to degrade, run stably.
The other guy is right.
Anonymous No.106318320 [Report]
>>106309454 (OP)

Anyone bitching about the 14900K - CONTACT INTEL on their website. Be polite and persistent. They gave me a full cash refund eventually that I used to buy another one $120 cheaper. No issues with the replacement unit. Warranty good to end of 2029.

The 14900K is a good processor and I’m happy with mine.
Anonymous No.106318323 [Report]
>>106317919
Zen 5 are also video encoding monsters
Anonymous No.106318394 [Report]
>>106317309
like this?
Anonymous No.106318436 [Report]
>>106317309
or like this?