Thread 106381795

>released in 2011
>still does everything you need to do in 2025
This processor is NEVER OBSOLETE.

>released in 2022
>still does everything you need to do (but better) in 2025 in case you missed 2011

>>106381795 (OP)
I dunno man, I get like ~30 FPS encoding with M6 CRF 28 libsvtav1 and I have an i5-8400. i5-2500K only has 4 CPU cores, lacks all modern AVX, and is more heavily affected by spectre/meltdown/etc.

I'm still using an i5 750. It's weird how much PC progress slowed down compared to the 90's and 00's.

>>106381795 (OP)
If you're not doing anything new for 14 years then yes I'm sure it still works fine.

>>106381848
OP doesn't understand what any of that means.
He is just a poor person seeking validation for his old hardware.

>>106381869
We've run out of the low-hanging fruit that allowed doubling frequency every two years or so and focused on more cores.

>>106381795 (OP)
>mogged by N100 that draws 10 times less power.

>>106381987
Literally just get an i3

>>106381917
Yeah, it's not just CPUs either, it's everything. My computer has 16gb RAM from 2012, which is still considered an acceptable amount in 2025. From 1995 to 2005 I went from 8mb to 4gb.

>>106381848
>>106381908
You can software accelerate everything that is equal or less than 4K@30fps and also do 4K@60fps if it is h264. I have everything forced to h264 to use hardware acceleration, 4K@60fps works fast and light with low CPU and GPU usage. I still use GTX980 and H264 is supported and 4K@60fps is fast.

>>106381917
Essentially this. General purpose computing stopped requiring leaps of performance improvents, as most of it is essentially solved (documents, browsers, email/communication, ...). There's diminishing or even negative return on slapping more advanced features on it.

There's only some places where additional performance actually improves things, which are kind of limited to compute intensive tasks like compiling software, converting video and running whatever flavor of AI. I'd be happy if I got a faster CPU at work, a clean build of our product takes like 30 minutes, which includes building an entire Linux distro for an embedded device.

>>106382102
Yeah but the ONLY GPU video encoder that isn't complete fucking dogshit is the m NVENC AV1 one which requires you pay the RTX 5000 toll. Are you seriously going to pair a fucking RTX 5000 with your 2500K? lol

>>106381795 (OP)
>pcie 2
nah

>>106381795 (OP)
You can browse 4chan and facebook on a chromebook. A 2500k was never needed.

>>106381837
Sorry wong pic. anyways

2500k is officially obsolete because it doesnt support avx512

>>106382365
You don't need more.
>>106382490
Nobody needs that.

>>106382601
avx512 is part of x86v4. linux distributions already use it and is why linux is 30-50% faster than windows now because windows is stuck on x86-64-v2.

>>106382490
>avx512
This is of little use beyond AI. Compilers don't want to waste time on this, leaving everything to the intrinsic: https://github.com/vaguinerg/tinycore-autoupdated-extensions?tab=readme-ov-file#package-optimization-summary

That's why we're unlikely to see AVX512 in anything non-intensive (that doesn't work on the i5-2500k).

>>106382601
>Nobody needs that
>*encodes M5 SVT-AV1 at ~100 FPS on a 35W TDP 8500W*

>>106382633
It's like a huge leap in perf/watt too. Wat higher than what ARM is capable of IMHO.

>>106382651
how is av1 video encoding a regular use case?

It would be like me showing a benchmark of a quantum computer in a specific function of its usefulness to invalidate your argument.

>>106381795 (OP)
Is pic related the 2500k successor? Was a great budget choice on release that will into the future continue to be "good enough" for a lot of people?

>>106382714
see >>106382265

Or can you point us to a telephone with a 16TB HDD slot? I'd really love to know all about it.

>>106382825
I'm not going to see any shit, because it's a pointless discussion. If the OP got involved in this AV1 discussion, it means he's as stupid as you are.

It was to be expected that whoever creates these threads doesn't understand anything about i5-2500k, maybe they never even had one, they just recreate the thread as a meme.

It was to be expected. I had i5-2500k for over 10 years and would continue to use it today if it weren't for difficulties with the motherboard. Ultimately, if you want to save money, the best option is really >>106381987.

>>106382905
The 2500K doesn't even have the first version of AVX lol.

>>106381795 (OP)
>Sandychad
I kneel

Hourly...

is there an old thinkpad with this cpu?

>>106381795 (OP)
>still does everything you need to do in 2025
I need to run games at a quarter the frame rate?

>>106383506
No, it's a desktop processor.

>>106381795 (OP)
the mainboards are starting to die though. mine died four years ago
it was a cheap gigabyte one but still

>>106383534
damn i figured there would be at least a detuned mobile analogue of it but i guess that whole business model wasn't prevalent yet

>>106381795 (OP)
For me it's AMD "Fine Wine".

>>106382001
14100.

>>106383593
You're a pdf viewer, are you not?

>>106381795 (OP)
>still does everything you need to do in 2025

4 cores is completely obsolete in 2025. This is like posting about how a dual core cpu is all you need in 2015.

>>106383636
I enjoy a good PDF once and awhile. But I'd not call myself a "viewer".

>>106381795 (OP)
yeah i have a 2500k system sitting in the attic because i finally got sick of it in 2021.
it's not in the landfill yet because it's living a new life as an overkill Windows XP build, along with the GTX 560 Ti i paired it with back in 2011.

>>106382102
Good thing we said ENCODING not DECODING, you fucking YouTube-addicted povertyfaggot

>>106381795 (OP)
yes anon, it's a perfect processor. If you're poor and do nothing important.
It's enough to browse 4chan, consum media and... that's about it.

>>106381795 (OP)
my laptop's ryzen does more in less time while spending less power. that said it's still a valid choice if you like putting recycled systems to use as in it can still comfortably game and consoom, and even do workstation duties if you're patient.

>>106382224
They didn't just give up, they just pivoted. Low power usage, cooler, smaller cpus are the name of the game. Unless you are doing some crazy ass ray tracing for PIXAR, cpus took a wayside to gpus especially, again pivoted, to neural networks which CPUS aren't good at.

Now we have cpus with nearly 200 cores capable of running hundreds of VMs. Good luck doing that in the 00s and 90s.

In 10 years time we'll be saying the same about the 265K

>>106383994
Nah I'm pretty sure it will be the 8500G. Like I'm 100% legitimately serious, it's the best best poorfag x86v4 CPU. Like what other CPU can even compete with it in terms of value lol?

>The term x86-64-v4 refers to a micro-architecture feature level, not a distinct CPU type. It is a set of advanced instruction-set extensions that software can use for improved performance. The main requirement for x86-64-v4 is support for a comprehensive suite of AVX-512 instructions.

>>106383994
people have to actually buy the damn thing for that to happen

>2500k
slow af in current year

>>106381908
>just a poor person seeking validation for his old hardware
Possibly, but it's also possible that there is a quaint satisfaction in using old hardware.

In the case of the i5 2500k, it's still extremely cheap today, so there is a case for it being used by poors. But other older hardware is not cheap at all, thanks to "retro" enthusiasts with money to burn. And actually, if you want to overclock the i5 2500k, you'll need a decent Z77 motherboard, and those are not really cheap nowadays (as in, for the same price you can get a am4 or lga 1200 socket).

So more frequently older hardware is actually only affordable by those with money to burn who don't care about performance (which is the opposite of poor interests).

And in practice, the i5 2500k is perfectly fine CPU to use in 2025 for office tasks and light gaming. And to inverse what you are saying, maybe the reason why people would get mad at the i5 2500k and call it poor is that they spent money on performance they don't really use.

>>106382769
>Is pic related the 2500k successor?
Not really, no. The i3 12100f doesn't have an igpu and cannot be overclocked.

Another cool thing about the i5 2500k is that it DOESN'T have hyperthreading at all. Which means for specific single thread tasks it has really low latency, like for emulation.

>>106384325
>a quaint satisfaction
There is, I enjoy my old shitbox a lot, and it does everything I need it to. Seems to make people seethe for some reason.

>>106381795 (OP)
>>still does everything you need to do in 2025

Not to shit on older hardware but I'm not so sure you could do upscaling or video editing in this thing

>>106384393
you know you if you turn off the hyperthreading of a 2600k you have a 2500k
missing features for market segmentation is not 'cool'

>>106381869
>It's weird how much PC progress slowed down
PC performance has increased dramatically. But there's no everyday software that makes use of all that power. If you're just browsing and doing office stuff, you'll never perceive the difference. It only matters if you're doing something very specialized or you're a gaymer.

>>106385332
>you know you if you turn off the hyperthreading
Yes but it's still slower latency than not having the architecture at all.

>>106385856
the point is they ARE the same architecture retard
literally fabbed on the same wafer
its just the hyperthreading switch is fused off for the 2500k

>>106385885
First of all, the 2600k is an i7, it has 8 threads and larger L3 cache. It's not the same chip with just extra threads.

Second of all, the 2500k is an i5, it doesn't have 4 threads just "switched off". It just has 4 threads.

The point is that the i5 2500k is lower latency.

>>106385927
you don't understand binning

>>106385995
Does every CPU start out as a potential i7 and only have features disabled according to performance and then allocated a new "bin"?

>>106382483
>poozen
lmao no

>>106386049
NTA and idk about CPUs but i know that's literally how GPUs work so i now think he's right and you're the retard here

>>106386149
Oh he's definitely right, but he doesn't reply if I point blank ask him about something. He only replies if I provoke him by acting retarded. So if I want to learn about this stuff, I'm stuck being acting retarded.

>>106381795 (OP)
I need it to dedicate 4 threads to a VM while still leaving 4 threads open to the host OS.

>>106381795 (OP)
The new Sandy is 7700F/K/T, and whatever AMD equivalent cpus. Their motherboards support 64-128 GB RAM, providing more than enough memory for VMs/RAM drives, plenty of bypasses for MS related things wanting you to login to MS accounts over the internet, piss easy to access to older software free of cloud computing using disposable VMs.

>>106386169
nta but even back then when tape outs were cheap they only had a few chips for a generation
Sandy Bridge 80623 had
2C-GT1
2C-GT2
4C-GT2

2500k/2600k were both the last chip, pic rel, despite their branding.

>>106386344
Thanks! How did you find this imagine? I want to learn more about CPU architecture.

>>106386504
i googled sandy bridge 4c die shot

>>106383994
you meant the 5700X3D/5800X3D right?

>>106381795 (OP)
why are you guys so obsessed with this processor again? no backdoors or something?

>>106386532
nothing that followed it was much better.

>>106382769
The Ryzen 5 5600 is the successor and even AI agrees.
The i5-12400 comes a close second.

>>106386532
>no backdoors or something
Intel Core 2s were the last to not have IME.

>>106386540
>nothing that followed it was much better.
This, I really regret upgrading to 14nm++ Intel, because my shitty old FX-8350 running Linux on the TV would actually be a fine daily now that it's loaded up with 32GB of RAM, I mean that would've loaded my Windows 10 in virtualbox for niche stuff no problem and did everything a little slower overall but, it's not that single core Pentium to Core 2 Duo speedup, where you're like "holy shit I've got double the cores of my old 3GHz P4, and the IPC is doubled, oh and socket 775 has an optional 3GHz quad core for even more ridiculousness because it's 2007 and computers are lit af.

>>106383593
I miss low temps, my 9700x idles at 45 as does everything else in the system, my 7700 idled at 30 or so and used around 10< watts, I mostly played old games so it rarely got heated

>>106386645
*intel 7700

>>106383563
There is a mobile version. You can even get a 4 core mobile version of it. 2760QM. It comes in select T520s and W520s.

>>106381795 (OP)
whats funny to me is that phones in 2011 could browse the internet just fine but now they literally cant at all and its not like html or css suddenly got more compilated

>>106387007
The internet is a good bit more bloated, but the power of a something like an iPhone 4 is so drastically less powerful than a flagship phone now, it's insane, it's kinda like that period in the late 90s early 2000s where computers went obsolete dummy fast, that was the 2010s for phones, a 2010 phone 3 years later was pretty much needing replaced in order to do shit, meanwhile my Galaxy S22 is still "good enough" I'm happy with the camera, I'm happy with the browsing, things moved so damn fast in smartphone revolution, that if you bought a 2009 iPhone, you were shooting video at 640x480, but 2 years later if you bought an iPhone 4s, you were shooting 1920x1080, that's reason to upgrade quite consistently, no phones are so good, that all the new features are basically meme shit, it's been so many years where I've seen a new phone come out and think "I absolutely have to get that in order to live my life" now we just get new phones when the software stops updating or the battery goes to shit.

>>106387048
please dont ever reply to me again

>>106387073
I'm replying aaahh

>hyper threading removed. Estrogen cores initiated.
Intel deserve to go out of business. AMD is barely any better, I'm FURIOUS I can't overclock my 5700x3d, how dare they pull a stunt like that on an enthusiast CPU.

>>106382265
That vmaf chart I made there isn't that good fyi.
I ended up going with svt-av1 preset 1 Constant Quality 27 for my final transcode of that video.

There was a section that even with CQ 28 was getting blurred too much for me.

>>106381795 (OP)
Oh, look. This same exact thread from four months ago.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105035074#105035074

>>106387174
are 2500k fags the babyducks of hardware?
or are they just one and the same altogether?

>>106387080
yeah they should call it the 57003d so you know it can't OC
also amd is like we cant let you OC it vcache is a sensitive little princess that will explode in her panties if her voltage is off by 0.1
bullshit people know that's bunk

>>106387194
The human brain gravitates towards patterns, especially patterns regarding things people are interested in. There are two zeros, and the number is prefixed by 25, which is a common rounded number.

>>106387194
What's this babyduck thing and why is it bad?

>>106387889
Some consumerist whores have decided the only way they can justify their behavior is by calling people who are content with what they have names. In this case baby duck is meant to suggest that the person has "imprinted" on the first thing they were exposed to, like a baby duck will, and thus is unwilling to give it up.

>>106382265
>Yeah but the ONLY GPU video encoder that isn't complete fucking dogshit is the m NVENC AV1
AV1 is dogshit, because it doesn't run on my perfect hardware without paying more for new hardware without any reason
>one which requires you pay the RTX 5000 toll
I am not buying that
>Are you seriously going to pair a fucking RTX 5000 with your 2500K? lol
No, I am not retarded enough to buy RTX 5000. I can watch 4K@60fps Youtube and movies, Twitch VODs, play all my games at 4K@60fps including GTA V, do all my work and freetime activities with my 2500k and 980.

>>106384325
sophie..

>>106387905
Hardware that continues to work for almost 15 years of daily use probably deserves to get sentimental about lol. I can only imagine one reason why this is bad, and that's if your use case has outgrown the hardware. But for all other reasons being a baby duck is a good thing imo. This is true of all kinds of hardware, not just computers.

>>106381795 (OP)
I want to buy 9950x3d but i5-2500k just works forever. Even GTA V, Youtube, movies/tv-series etc. works 4K@60fps and all my other things just work. Obviously you have to use stable OS like Linux because on Windows 7-11 anything on PC is unstable tinkering trash.