Thread 106489690

So, why are these still inhabited? Sounds like a huge limitation

>>106489690 (OP)
latency and the air force would complain if its coolguy job program were taken away

>>106489690 (OP)
Because they were built in like the 1990s and the military moves at a crawl.

>>106490103
>>106490095
COFFIN system retrofits when

>>106490095
>cooljob

Not an argument if we're talking national defense

>>106490103
>they were built in like the 1990s
Yes obviously didn't mean F22 in particular, but jet fighters in general

So the only real argument seems to be latency? What do you mean by that, do you mean for radio control ? Couldn't they be somewhat autonomous to avoid having to send too much commands?

>>106489690 (OP)
why are you looking at third-world countries?

>>106490169
>Couldn't they be somewhat autonomous to avoid having to send too much commands?
planes are already fly-by-wire and like 90% automatic and just need the pilot to push a button to authorize a weapon launch, or take over if the software/hardware fail

Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs) were The Next Big Thing before shitty DJI quadrotors got cheaper (and ukraine "proved" that taping a grenade to one is viable) and mostly UCAVs dropped out of the public consciousness because they're not Current Media Cycle Thing. People are also are largely aware that the day of dogfighting is dead, much like how battleships are no longer relevant to warfare. demand is just not there anymore

also a plane being basically a truck that delivers missiles to standoff distance means that if you can automate the plane, you can just guide the missile itself better too. so you can just make the missile bigger or strap a booster to it or something instead of the making plane carrying it better

there's also the issue of the Predator/Reaper drones just having a bad rap among the public because of Bush and Obama killing individual civilians with them a bunch and are seen as "dirty" weapons. warfare is still fundamentally a political maneuver so using stuff that's frowned upon even if it's only disliked for dumb reasons is still a bad move and can hurt your campaign. the A2A predator variant never came to be mostly for political/taste reasons.

and it really is the air force just complaining because the fudds running it simply want certain things. the F22 almost didn't have a gun on it, because why the fuck does your stealthy high speed fighter-bomber that kills you with a standoff gliding bomblet dispenser or 120nm range a2a missiles need a 7.62mm gun on it? but the AF complained so it was put back. the same happened to some vietnam era jet, pilots complained about not having their emergency gun so the company first made a hardpoint gun pod and put a nose gun in later versions

>>106489690 (OP)
lets make the plane automated
>what if it fails and someone has to take over?
lets put guys near the plane who can take over then
>what if they cant respond fast enough
fine we'll just put the guy in the plane

>>106490213
>the same happened to some vietnam era jet, pilots complained about not having their emergency gun so the company first made a hardpoint gun pod and put a nose gun in later versions
utter bullshit.

vulcan was only added after real horrendous air losses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rolling_Thunder#Conclusions

>>106490266
>lets put guys near the plane who can take over then
that's not possible anymore. jets are fly-by-wire now.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-accident-report-hnk-ml
>At that point, the F-35’s sensors indicated it was on the ground and the jet’s computer systems transitioned to “automated ground-operation mode,” the report said.
>This caused the fighter jet to become “uncontrollable” because it was “operat(ing) as though it was on the ground when flying,” forcing the pilot to eject."

>>106490276
>The Air Force noted that most of their air-to-air losses were due to unseen attacks from the rear, and thus the problem could be addressed through additional technology that would provide early warning of such attacks.
>The Navy concluded that the primary problem was that their pilots had not been given proper air combat maneuvering training,
so basically the same "problem" as the early M16 where retards didn't realize they thought their new weapons were magic and didnt have to be aimed (or maintained or even cleaned)

>>106490213
Thanks for the detailed reply but this:

>a plane being basically a truck that delivers missiles to standoff distance means that if you can automate the plane, you can just guide the missile itself better too. so you can just make the missile bigger or strap a booster to it or something instead of the making plane carrying it better


Aren't there other benefits to planes like stealth, or recon...?

>>106490299
lol the f22 couldn't deal with rain, and now the f35 can't deal with it being cold outside. the american military truly is the best equipped in the world

>>106489690 (OP)
Sure is expensive to lose one or a squad of jets to a silly jamming signal. These current age fighter jets though might not have mechanical backups like all older aircraft did.
>>106490132
That must have been an early autopilot prototype system. I flew a C172 the other day that had an auto pilot system, granted it did not have throttle control but it could do everything else.

>>106490302
wrong, usaf's falcon missiles were really shit. usaf had to switch to navy's missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rolling_Thunder#Problems
>Once air-to-air combat began over North Vietnam, the Air Force was again found lacking. The mainstay missiles of the air war turned out to be the Navy-developed AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-7 Sparrow, not its own AIM-4 Falcon.[61]

>>106490311
>Aren't there other benefits to planes like stealth,
and why couldn't you just paint your missile with the stupid black rubber paint and give it gamer angles like you could a plane? you dont even have to worry about le ebin SIGINT or other counter-targeting because a lot of modern missiles feature gps guidance

>or recon...?
predator drones are already there and are literally built for this. people think the predator is the "bomb you from the sky by someone in florida" one but that's officially the reaper; predators only carry actual arms and not even much of it after very expensive modifications were done. stuff like giant AWACS planes already need human operators to interpret the data so you may as well just let them be on the plane, which itself is already basically just a cargo/passenger plane you bolted a radar to in the first place. and some companies are working on unmanned radar planes, it's just that radar is fucktrociously expensive and a lot of air-to-ground radar is done by satellite, so they face the same sort of market pressure that killed the SR71 (why am i buying a whole plane for this and training a crew and analysts myself when I can just pay GeoEye 5.99 a month?)

>>106490331
typical american "we did it wrong on purpose to prove we need worse technology". this is some "buses could never work, we need Uber Scheduled Rideshare instead" type shit

>>106489690 (OP)
Distraction, they want to keep their enemies and allies from switching to an all drone army as long as possible.

So repeat after shill, they'd get jammed. Please ignore that tight beam communication is unjammable.

>>106490347
Why they don't just use audio spectrom for transmission? The EW is already very solve

>>106490266
>>what if they cant respond fast enough
fast enough
You can use 100x more drones than manned planes, so you simply don't have to care.

>>106490103
the real reason is this. there's plenty of unmanned aircraft ready to buy by a military, but militaries hate spending money without taking 90 years to decide what to buy at a 8000% markup first

the F22 is still the "most advanced" military aircraft out there and it was first flown in fucking 1997

>>106490363
Just use microwave tight beam comms with mechanically aimed antennas with 100+dB attenuation for anything it's not aimed at.

>>106490372
a non-upgraded f-22 from 1997 would get utterly fucked by modern ew

>>106490368
you can re-use a plane more than 100x

>>106490368
>muh drone swarm
is there even a use case for this? it's always in every military magazine but where would you ever do it?

>ww-what if i want to kill everyone in a platoon at once ???
I bomb it with a hypersonic cruise missile and level the whole area
>ww-what if they are in a protected structure or eco system ???
I bomb it with a hypersonic cruise missile and bill the eco-fine to the line for base trash disposal
>ww-what if theres civilians ???
I bomb it with a hypersonic cruise missile and posthumously declare them combatants
>ww-what if the target isnt as expensive as a hypersonic cruise missile ???
I bomb it with a hypersonic cruise missile and create several jobs to make a new one
>ww-what if your out of hypersonic cruise missiles ???
I will claim that there is oil or communism nearby so the americans bomb it with a hypersonic cruise missile on my behalf

>>106490376
That's not how attenuation works

>>106490302
>>106490331
phantom niggers were hamstrung by shitty roe forcing pilots to get within visual range to target id thus getting them out turned by more agile migs constantly and as a cherry on top if they could get a firing solution on the migs their sparrows would fuck off to anywhere but the migs ass because they were shit

>>106490379
so would an f22 from today. thats the point of modern ew.

>>106490402
>you can re-use a plane more than 100x
Not every drone is a quadcopter suicide drone.

>>106490416
cute bnuy. airplanes were truly always built for sex

>>106490403
>it's always in every military magazine but where would you ever do it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Scout
>During the 1982 Lebanon War, the Israelis were confronted by Syrian surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), which were heavily sited in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. All 28 SAM sites in the Bekaa were destroyed, however, partly through the use of Samson decoys to get them to reveal their presence, and partly through reconnaissance information obtained by the Mastiff and Scout UAVs.
>Israeli battlefield UAVs had proven a great success, and soon came to the attention of the US military, particularly after the American intervention in Lebanon in 1983. This led to the US Navy's request for a battlefield UAV in 1984, and Tadiran and IAI decided, or were told to, join forces to submit a proposal for the American requirement. The result was an IAI division named "Mazlat" (the Hebrew acronym for Miniature UAV), now "Malat" (Hebrew acronym of UAV).

to embrace pilots' vore fantasies. next question

>>106490434
so nothing that couldnt have been solved by multiple hypersonic cruise missiles (or guided artillery)

>>106490434
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Scout
thats not really what normies are talking about when they say "drone swarm"

>>106490446
that makes zero sense.
sams won't turn on for no reason. your cruise missiles have no target.
artillery doesn't have the range to shoot from israel at targets in the bekaa valley .

>>106490448
god the phantom looks so fucking stupid

>>106490169
>Autonomous, long range nuke/bomb robot
What could possibly go wrong?

>>106489690 (OP)
watch Perun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0L5Wv86fQ

>>106490484
nothing? it's working without issue since 1985.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand

>>106490474
SEAD is a concept as old as RADAR and sending one or two drone plane per target just to get signal intelligence off it doesnt really constitute a "swarm" in the same way military-oriented techbros use the term "drone swarm" to express using hundreds of drones to saturate one target so it can't meaningfully retaliate against all of them. it's still effectively
>ww-what if you dont know where the target is???
I bomb it with a subsonic cruise missile, miss, cease merely pretending to be retarded and review the telemetry to see where it got radar warnings from, and then I bomb it with with a hypersonic cruise missile

>>106490428
>The idea came about as an inside joke for the KC-135 tanker crews, especially the boom operators who had trouble putting the boom into the receptacle so Capt. Vizcarra painted Pussy Galore right on the nose so that her ”Strategic Part” was right over the receptacle! She was named after the female executive pilot to the evil Goldfinger in the James Bond film of the same name.

>>106490410
Smaller wavelength allows different approaches than standard antenna design.

Just go to the extreme of laser comms for a moment, put a receiver in a black tube and light sources diffracting around the black top of the tube will be 100s of dB attenuated relative to a visible source.

The same works for microwaves, just use a cantenna with the top of the can painted in microwave absorber. Terrible for efficiency, great for directivity.

>>106490524
>if I shine my laser pointer at a white target on a black sheet, that means no one can ever see it if I point it at anything else and that white dot on my black sheet can't possibly be illuminated by red light from any other source!!!

>>106490524
ok but if find out you're fucking screaming on exactly 2.4ghz and i choose to scream even louder you may be drowned out.

>>106490508
think further.
a drone is just a missile. missile saturation attacks are also ancient. they work.

>>106490531
In a clear sky, if you aim a tube receiver at a satellite or relay drone for laser comms, the only medium to reflect off to jam the signal is clear sky.

The sky is not a very good reflector.

>>106490535
The point of tight beam comms is that the drone has a receiver mechanically aimed at a relay or satellite.
Anything off direction has extreme attenuation and in general it's not possible to put the jammer in line with the direction of the receiver.

>>106490556
the main reason the drone swarm concept is a total meme is exactly that: if it's a saturation attack relying on not everything making it through and you're already accepting lots of losses, you may as well just give up and use missiles in the first place. its just a false economy, even if you're all "but we can reuse the survivors!" you're still losing payload capacity to stuff to keep the drone airworthy and able to carry stuff, just cut all that shit out and make it a one-way trip in the first place

>>106490562
>>106490580
it's harder but not impossible, especially if you need less of a laser and more of a cone because you have a "swarm" of objects to control. if your drones are "looking" south for control, I just have to set up a little further south than you and there will at least be interference. it's also not the only way to defeat a drone, I can just blast it with a shotgun (or my own drones)

>>106490587
Also insistence on using shitty DJI quadcopters. really a "drone swarm" is just "deploy more of X than the other guy can handle", the dumb part is using chinky quadrotors for it when there are better vehicles for most jobs. No one complains about fixed-wing drones but those aren't cute enough to be a "swarm" rather than a "formation"

>>106489690 (OP)
>huge limitation
what are drug cartels going to do?

>>106490611
>Also insistence on using shitty DJI quadcopters
no one is using those anymore

>>106490587
Missiles are limited in how small they can go. If they are propeller driven with large wings, they are no longer missiles, they are drones.

>>106490649
there's no such limit.
wanting at least 250 lbs warheads has nothing to do with the propulsion.

>>106490648
muh ukraine drone war

>>106490649
retarded take, a missile is just an airborne munition

>>106489690 (OP)
Because planes are obsolete tech, just like tanks

>>106489690 (OP)
The US air force can't trust human pilots to not hit friendly targets, so I doubt they place any trust in AI yet.

>>106489690 (OP)
If you made the F-22 a ucav it would immediately go rogue and start hunting enemy air forces and probably the three gorges dam too. It's been blue balled for so long

>>106490743
what over mobile airborne weapons platform is there besides planes?

>>106490797
henloclopters

>>106490736
>retarded take, a missile is just an airborne munition
These are not missiles.
>>106490648

>>106490797
Drones
Still not as effective as the most dangerous airborne weapon
Glowies on commercial flights

>>106489690 (OP)
>So, why are these still inhabited? Sounds like a huge limitation

Whaaaattt?

Put your Spanglish through chat gpt first, Juan

>>106490506
>Turned off 99% of the time
>Still needs manual approval even when it's on
Okay retard.

>dunning kruger board
stick to pedophilia

>>106489690 (OP)
>inhabited
The word is MANNED, Ranjeet

>>106492991
budget cuts, pilots have to literally live in their plane now

>>106489690 (OP)
>So, why are these still inhabited?
Prestige.

>>106490095
>latency and the air force would complain if its coolguy job program were taken away
A 100 km distance incurs t=d/c or 100 km / 300000 km/s which is 0.3 ms. That is insignificant.
As for "coolguy job" then yes, a pilot sitting in an airconditioned bunker safe from AA fire will be lacking in the crucial cool-factor. Woe is, well, someone.

>>106496023
This, retards. Satellite internet is just as fast as fiber.

>>106490095
>latency
Why they do not just do it over Starlink ?

>>106489690 (OP)
nigger

>>106496095
Flyboys would kill themselves on TV before using civilian equipment for crucial systems. the mindset is just bat crazy. For instance, the pilot has to line up the aircraft to fire since the machine cannon is normally fixed. Even 20 year old computer systems would be able to take control and automatically align the aircraft to shoot down the enemy aircraft. Problem is, that kill would be awarded to the computer so that is immediately no-go.

>>106490200
>single jet engine
Things like this make them less scary, China should build elite twin jet UAVs with advanced intellect that will use the cheap slop as meatshields and will kill you without a doubt.

>>106496521
>twin jet meme
you do realize we can just build a single big engine now? we don't need to inefficiently use two small engines to get higher thrusts anymore.

>>106496579
The second engine is for when the other one fails, ranjeet.

>>106496579
I'll make this simple for you, because you are simple.
If you have two motors, and something happens to one of them, you still have one motor to get back to base with.
If you have one motor, and something happens to it, you have no more motors and your aircraft goes down.
Did you think that passenger planes with more than one engine were just being silly and wasteful because they didn't just use a single big engine?

>>106496616
Most passenger planes used to have 4 engines though

>>106496585
>>106496616
you just halved the rate of your fighter readiness, retards.
a f/a-18 is already grounded when one of its engines is out of order. you have two engines, so double the chance.

>>106496632
When one engine plane's engine fails it isn't just grounded, you're also a manlet in a wheelchair.

>>106496616
>Did you think that passenger planes with more than one engine were just being silly and wasteful because they didn't just use a single big engine?
obv.

next you are going to find out that military crafts don't have two pilots in the cockpit at all times.

>>106490103
>f-22 was built in the 1990s
wtf
this doesn't feel right
what the fuck do you mean 2000 was 26 years ago?

>>106496771
i remember it like yesterday when we still had a department of defense

>>106496632
If we say the chance of engine failure is 0.05, then:
- chance of engine failure doubles (0.05 / 0.1) in two engine planes
BUT
- chance of system failure (all engines) is 20 times higher with single engine planes. (0.05 vs 0.0025)

>>106490169
>Not an argument if we're talking national defense
yes it is. learn about the fighter mafia

>>106490335
Global Hawk says hello

>>106490770
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_(film)
So shit it was kino.

>>106490847
The line is getting thinner and thinner every day. Drones are going faster and faster with better engines including turbines, while missiles are getting smarter and more maneuverable with better hardware. At this point they've basically already met in the middle.

>>106489690 (OP)
they go over why at least three times in the first act

>>106497321
drones are reusable. missiles are not. simple as

>>106497641
>what are suicide drones
RETARD

>>106496757
modern craft have zero, even

>>106490342
americans don't have busses because they bring niggers to your doorstep

>>106490372
>the F22 is still the "most advanced" military aircraft
this is what americans actually believe

>>106497243
I love that movie. I bought it on umd

>>106496632
A plane with one engine is also grounded when its engine is out of order.
The reason a f/a-18 is grounded when one engine is out of order is because if they fly it and the other engine goes out then you have zero engines and the plane goes down.
A plane being grounded when not flying is infinitely preferable to a plane suddenly becoming grounded when it was mid-flight.

>>106497848
>>106497243
i remember loving this movie but not one single plot point about it. also being wrong about the plane from that being in HAWX

>>106489690 (OP)
Because there's a bunch of unidentified/alien shit up there they need a HUMAN'S EYES to verify and document for themselves. Then they gaslight the people into making them believe they didn't see anything at all.

Go ahead. Try and find a reason that makes more sense. These planes can all fly and pilot themselves and they all have cameras, so why are they sending people up there into the sky? Why? Why are they still doing it? They have cameras, satellites, radar, all sorts. Why are they sending people up there? What are the people meant to be spotting?

Aliens/UFOs/UAPs. That's why people are still sent up there. You can read the pilot's reports, they spot all sorts of shit they cannot explain and nobody can explain. All of it gets documented. They KNOW we are NOT ALONE.

>>106497912
>ayy lmao
if they were trying to hide ayy lmaos then they would have killed every human pilot, civilian or military

>>106489690 (OP)
What do they eat?

How do they go poop and pee pee?

>>106497906
>He downloaded all the music illegally lol
>Only plays one buttrock song

Why was Eddy such a normalfag

>>106490770
true

>>106498174
he only had military dudebros and one barracks bunny to hang around, please understand

>>106498195
cringe. f22 chan irl shids and fards herself when it rains outside and doesnt know how to read a clock

>>106498203
that flight suit was pretty hot tho.

>>106498219
Boss...

They've already been to mars and they have contact with ET's.

They have the gravitic tech to space travel in UFO's for a long long time, at least since 1970 so who knows what they have now.

Consciousness is more than just your body.

Beyond that I don't know the details but they are definitely hiding shit. It's really hard to enter an altered state of consciousness and get anything meaningful out of it, at least for me.

>>106498219

red f14 and black f35 meet at sky whos in f14?

>>106498057
>What do they eat?
Go-pills.

>>106497912
It's not the 90s anymore, nobody believes aliens exist. Why? Because the government says they exist now, and those fuckers always lie.

>>106490103
>>106496771
>>106496785
Money slows down when you don't have any actual peers around to start shit.
>>106490479
>god the phantom looks so fucking stupid
Things is, it's not a bad plane. But damn is it ever ugly. Probably best described as "drooping." It just looks like it's tired.

>>106503210
>F-35
Today, even fighter aircrafts are obese.

>>106498057
>What do they eat?
a nutritious and delicious pre-sortie meal of pan-seared wagyu steak with a hit off of jeff's meth pipe and a cup of the nastiest blackest sandy coffee for desert

>How do they go poop and pee pee?
the same way you do, in a tube

>>106498211
>>106498185
>>106498191
>>106498195
>realistic plane gijinka
>f22-tan is a lost generation hikkimori, self-important and resentful of the world yet also afraid of actually going outside or doing anything
>f-35-tan is a gym rat who only does deadlifts and throws out his back every time he tries to do anything real
>F-14-chan is a severe stodgy old woman who hurts you in ways you don't even understand with just a mean glance
>all the sukhois are quintuplets who have formed a playground gang
>rafale-chan is an indian streetshitter who insists she's actually parisean french saar
>f15-chan is a bombastic party DJ (all she can do is win and she knows it)
>f18-chan is canadian and pretty quiet and polite but always the first to propose an ultraviolent solution (that mysteriously always works)
>mig25(foxbat) is secretly canadian and every gag is about not admitting she's the bastard daughter of avro arrow
>mig29(fulcrum) is in constant homoerotic rivalry with f15-chan, the sexual tension is palpable
>f4-kun is a power bottom
>typhoon has perfect grades despite never showing up to class
>harrier-chan is a giant titty slampig bonglander chav because I ran out of jokes and have resorted to pure racism
>E-3 Sentry-Sensei is the literal tard wrangler of all these idiots, end of season stinger reveals they were all in special ed all along and the real work(study) is done in the Sikorsky classroom by helicopters

>>106490103
>and the military moves at a crawl.
Since we are in a regression, that might be a good thing. Pic. related had engines that could ingest, digest and spit out landing lights and still keep on trucking. Meanwhil today, F-135 has propblems with turbine blade flaking and is as fragile as porcelain.

>>106489690 (OP)
because you want someone to actually be in control of 25 million dollar equipment.

its not a cheap drone
bugs would be much more disastrous

>>106504300
that thing didnt die because of le ebin enshittification, it died because satellites ate its lunch for effectiveness and uptime

>>106504379
Doubt. Satellites follow predictable orbits; the Blackbird was never expected or invited. It was killed by politics, why else would they demand the tooling to be destroyed and the remaining aircrafys to be permanently disabled (with soem exceptions for NASA).

So who has the most advanced aircraft today, unmanned or manned? Who has the most difficult aircraft to defend against and what are these aircraft?

>>106490095
Starlinks on these plane would get 20 ms latency

>>106505016
US. Followed by UK. And then maybe China. They still dont know how to make engines properly, but they do know how to iterate tech fast as they have military factories that print them stuff at 100X the rate of US military

>>106504889
just launch more of them lol. you never wait more than like a day for new data over a given airspace.

the real reason is that satellites are out of reach by then-modern weapons, and today irrational fear of Kessler Syndrome (or just op orbital laser godrod nonsense) prevents militarizing space beyond obvervation (which is ostensibly useful for civilian stuff, luv me GPS and Google Maps)

meanwhile a blackbird too can only do daily sorties anyway, not look at very much at once, and has to return home for maintenance and for the pilots to bang hotties. satellite works 24/7 without a salary and when you aren't spying on russia you can observe ocean currents or whatever.

>why else would they demand the tooling to be destroyed and the remaining aircrafys to be permanently disabled
because the US is stupid and probably to btfo whoever made it with the excuse of "w-w-what if it falls in THE ENEMY'S hands??", similar to the Arrow's summary execution

>>106505016
me

>China far and away still has the best hypersonics
Grim for the west
>>106490403
Americans barely have hypersonics last I checked

>>106505016
probably chyna, among the westoids probably france

>>106490200
Are these even good?

>>106505208
hold on let me check

>>106505058
Isn't fast manufacturing how the US (and allies) were able to win WWII? Seems like it might be over for USA already.

>>106505330
We'll see. NIMBY and over regulations have killed US manufacturing

>>106505330
>Isn't fast manufacturing how the US (and allies) were able to win WWII?
Fast yes, and also the ability to gear up to enormous volumes of everything from tanks to ships and aircrafts.
It is tragic to see the utter contempt the intellectual elite shows for manufacturing and manufacturing jobs and the TDS level 5 on show when Trump wanted to reshore manufacturing. People though that the West should do white collar design and leave "dirty" production to the East. Too late, people realised that you cannot separate production from innovation, and the expensive mess that is F-35 is but one example of what happens. Do we even have any peers to Kelly Johnson?

>>106505297
Thanks anon, let us know what you find

>>106505688
I agree with this but I thought the f-35 was still pretty good.

>>106505744
They had a regression in the radar software suite. That is unforgivable and GAO was not impressed.
t.former software quality auditor

>>106505826
Interesting, how significant is this regression (assuming you are allowed to say)?

>>106489690 (OP)
they're working on it. the current idea is to make missile barges that can be coordinated by manned planes. like a flight or squadron with a leading F-35 that paints targets for a bunch of drones.
full autonomy is likely possible by now but it takes years to test these things. probably going to be in the next generation of air superiority fighters.
>>106497774
it probably is still true (for now).

>>106505850
I only know what is stated by GAO and that is fully open.
Major military development takes place using a quality plan. MIL-STD-498 is one example, which also happens to be freely published and therefore popular. F-35 is developed according to more recent schemes but no worse than the old -498. QA stuff is huge (and documentation is enormous) but to cut a long story short, for each release, you have unit tests done by developers, then integration in mulitiple levels upwards, each with a test plan, until it is a complete release. All test should eb run and checked out before integrating upwards and NO regressions should EVER happen. And yet it did. That suggests a major collapse in QA process, and my hunch is that project management steamrolled the QA staff to get the product out the door so that L-M could collect money for that specific milestone. And they delivered a dud. GAO is right to hammer L-M for this, sadly too few realise the enormity of the implications behind the word "regression."
The software could easily be fixed but the QA process is certainly compromised.

>>106490200
if they are so good why arent they flying instead of being towed?

>>106506710
>>106505826
im a brainlet. what is "a regression"

>>106506710
>military fucks up a full release despite QA
>meanwhile, civilian automotive companies only release after giving their RE/"red team" a full crack at breaking something (with bonuses for success)
It's all so tiresome, and I'm not just saying that cause RE got axed in '24

Fuck all these faggots who think RE doesn't "provide value", I hope you get PWNed for 100x our department cost

>>106506917
If something that worked in version 1.0 no longer works in version 1.1 you have a regression.

>>106506927
a car shouldnt need firmware. just put air and gasoline in the cylinder and ignite it whats so hard bro

>>106506958
After half a decade in the industry, I honestly agree with you, bro.
>btw
I hate the antichrist, I hate the demiurge, and I hate OnStar.

>>106489690 (OP)
We have the new version.

>>106496585
Single engine like used on the F-35 is for VTOL capability, allowing takeoff from smaller vessels.

>>106496023
>A 100 km distance incurs t=d/c or 100 km / 300000 km/s which is 0.3 ms. That is insignificant.
that is speed of light in vacuum
and that is speed of light, which couldn't be used to remotely control a plane with current tech, you'd be stuck using RF like pretty much every wireless system in existence (no, a few laser communication PoCs in laboratory between 2 static communication devices doesn't show that it's applicable to a plane moving faster than sound ahead of probably-hostile territory)
anyways, >>106490095 is right

>>106490169
>Not an argument if we're talking national defense
It is when it effects military enrollment. Do you realize how many less people would enroll in the Air Force with 0% chance they'd be a fighter pilot (not just they won't make it chance but nobody will make it because it doesn't exist chance)?

>>106490276
>gah dood we keep getting hit by high speed missile-equipped interceptors in our ass

>clearly we need forward facing miniguns!!!

A M E R I C A

>>106506884
they're life sized plastic models

>>106498897
Whoever is in charge of the deep US government that has this high tech makes the rules at the root of it they whoever is at the top is higher than the fed and Jews. Jews I think they are pawns too. Probably some space nigger shit with convoluted hierarchy.

I just hope a working homemade sellable open source free energy generator is sold by China. But I'm starting to think even China and russia are controlled by this cabal or group, whoever they are.

>>106498837
the guy who hacked nasa said he saw two copies of certain photos, unedited ones never released to the public and post-edited ones that eventually are posted on their website as "raw" photos
he also found references to a space related military command with full ranks and names of the people involved
>Consciousness is more than just your body.
yup, easily proven by many NDErs having a relatively similar experience despite completely different belief systems
>>106509747
yeah last i looked into it, the rothschild had a heavy hand in founding israel so its safe to safe israelites are just the pawns of banker jew rothschild. but who owns the bankers is not so clear

>>106505099
>hypersonics
there are two countries with these readily available to use, china and russia
there are 3 countries with them made but not in service, north korea, iran and fucking france

>>106510255
>>106505187
Why can't France stop winning, bros?

>>106489690 (OP)
How would you make it uninhabited?

>>106490299
Who the fuck programmed the state machine for this fucking plane? How can such obvious counter examples lead the plane to operate like it's taxiing on the tarmac?

>>106506927
To be completely fair. It's a self-inflicted wound. Dealing with military software shit is full retard levels of bad. lol no work for home, humiliation ritual tier background check to even get a foot in the door. Just absolutely retarded. Only a retard or a desperate cuck would want any job doing it. QA for some dogshit radar array software being bad sounds par-for-course.

>>106510349
>>106510413
I work at a contractor now and one of them straight up said "Well you can't make it perfect the first time; we're contractually obligated to patch every six months."

also there is a lot of weird janky stuff like having to rely on "data bus" standards clearly written by officers with no CS or electronics background. Don't look up the open spec for Link, they do weird stuff like pretend to use octal numbers by doing everything in decimal but just declaring any number with the least significant digit being 8 or 9 being invalid. But 87 is a totally valid "octal" number. Shit like that. Conversely, they do some amazing stuff. Ages before "AI", "combat management" software can basically look at the sum of your sensors and go "Yeah all this random noise is probably the same object and it probably hates you but isn't willing to kill you(yet)"

>>106489690 (OP)
So is the f-47 going to be unmanned? I saw it was supposed to have its own little fleet of drones too. How realistic is that?

hahaha goo drthread

>>106489690 (OP)
if it wasnt for the stealth meme literally nobody would give a shit about them in todays world

their mmc(compute) is from the 70s
the radar from the 80s
cockpit is a mix up since the actual upgrade never happened to the full extent

>>106510450
Unmanned is a meme.

>>106510480
So what is better than them, then?

>>106510456
[inaudible flamenco music]

>>106510492
Nothing that is known to the public or is production ready anyway.
If we're talking about OPs pic, F-35A or C

>>106510492
J-20, Su-33, MiG-29 (w/ upgrades), Rafale, anything the Eurofighter program ever made

>>106510492
She will never be dethroned.

>>106510492
anyone with aesa tech can already see stealth dude
quite literally

as you can see now the trend is to design everything as sleek as possible in order to delay detection
it works? nobody fucking know but since everyone is doing it it probably works to some extent
the next best thing are the quantum radars which only china has actual prototypes so far canada germany nato austria uk so far havent produced an actual prototype yet (and i highly doubt that they will given how laughable the funding is for such a project)

Did they ever solve the problem of "The plane is invisible, but there's a big plane-shaped hole in the sky"?

it will forever be lulzy that even with all this stealth shit, before firing a missile there's an IFF code specifically for "Last chance, nigger; *I* FRANCIS E DEC PLANEMAN HOME ADDRESS 42069 NORFOLK COUNTY am going to kill YOU"

>>106510566
Simply false. Israel and the US were able to bomb Iran completely unmolested while Indians and Russians get shot out of the sky in their respective theaters.
Low vis isn't invisible, but if you can't reasonably get a fire solution, it doesn't matter.

>>106510566
I wonder if a lot of this newfangled military tech will end up like the german anti-magnet coating where it turns out everyone was trying to make a hard counter to a technology no one is using

>>106510625
israel created a corridor by bombing few of their AA

you have literally no idea what you are talking about

>india
yes they lost 3 rafales but can you tell us how pakistan got bombed for 5 days straight?
was probably a miracle
>russians
ukraine and russia has the most AA in a single area
and russia has an actual air force so its logical
ukraine only uses their f16s to hunt down drones

also russia doesnt have an aesa only pesa on ground radars
india as well
not sure what was your point but ok
>firing solution
if you can be tracked you can get shot down
the only question is how far the target is from the engagement range of the missile
>>106510653
i mean we also have the low visibility paint that cyprus invented for their tanks
nothing is useless if they made it for a counter

but the quantum meme is just a bs name usa gave it to it to mock it since all of their prototypes are a failure
its called microwave radar

>>106510673
>nothing is useless if they made it for a counter
if you're unaware of what i meant, in ww2 germany had magnetic anti-tank grenades, got scared of magnetic anti-tank grenades as a result of magnetic anti-tank grenades now existing, and coated all their tanks in an exotic anti-magnetic compound. they then realized way too late that no other force was operating with magnetic grenades and were just using sticky goop instead and hand-bombed anti-tank grenades fell out of use before any other forces cottoned on to using magnets anyway, but they had already spent a fuckton of money on fancy nonmagnetic ceramic coatings for their tanks that added weight and cost but no meaningful defence

>>106490587
what? your serious?
you never fire a munition off with the anticipation of it being reused. fling out a saturation attack of drones, and itll be replenished before 1/25th as many missiles.
just from complexity and bill of materials.

>>106496771
>f-22 lightning was released on MS-DOS

>>106510581
What is your IQ? Let me guess, it's a really low number.

>>106510713
yes i know thats why i said if there is something to counter it

>>106490635
What are those jets going to do, bomb Puerto Rico and create a national scandal? Why is money being wasted on this? I thought that fat orange retard wanted to curb governmental waste.

>>106510799
number go up to replenish munitions and planes lost to Cartel AAA (one dude with a shotgun) please understand

>>106510789
>he can only have complete air supremacy when theres no clouds

>>106510832
kek, second smartest poster in this bread.

>>106509560
>that is speed of light in vacuum
And also rounded up, yes. Comparing 300,000 to 299,792 when we are talking rough numbers would be meaningless.
>and that is speed of light, which couldn't be used to remotely control a plane with current tech,
What? The refractive index of air is tiny, so speed of light is not much less, about 299,705 km/s, and there is not much difference with light or RF.
>you'd be stuck using RF like pretty much every wireless system in existence (no, a few laser communication PoCs in laboratory between 2 static communication devices doesn't show that it's applicable to a plane moving faster than sound ahead of probably-hostile territory)
Dude, speed of light differs very little across light and RF, and for most work it is considered the same. Do you have any idea about RF tech?
>anyways, >>106490095 is right
I already stated that here >>106496023

>>106496023
>0.3 ms
>in ideal conditions
>at best
lol. People can feel drive by wire in a Lexus SUV as well.

>>106510799
>I thought that fat orange retard wanted to curb governmental waste.
He takes the fentanyl flood a lot more serious than all his predecessors combined. I don't know why but he certainly does.
>Canada, Mexico, and Puerto Rico: who cares about the little people like fentanyl abusers?
>DJT: I do, and taske my sanctions!
>Canada, Mexico, and Puerto Rico: Eeep!

>>106510978
is this chatgpt

how else can rich jews that invested in military industrial complex get even richer?
think of their children

>>106511081
No. ChatGPT won't make typos like I did here: "taske" should have been "taste".

>>106498219
When will they upgrade to current year suits?
CAPTCHA agrees: aahhh

>>106489690 (OP)
A white person wouldn't use the word "inhabited" in that way.

>>106490200
Why do the engines appear on?