Thread 106586685

Is their any benefit to h1bs over college grads?

>>106586685 (OP)
For companies? Absolutely. For Americans? Absolutely not. But you know that already.

>>106586700
I mean skill wise? They're giving lot of entry jobs to h1b so my question is what is intrinsic benefit that h1b workers have over college grads? Im sure it beats being unemployed if they're offering 60-80k salary

>>106586685 (OP)
>tolerates poorer working conditions
>tolerates lower pay and benefits
>tolerates longer working hours
>satisfies the corporate diversity quota
Reap what you sow, my fellow Americans. The social contract has been dead for a long time.

>>106586685 (OP)
why pay an american 80k when a brahmin can do the same job for 40k. it just makes sense.

>>106586685 (OP)
Wasn’t there a study which found that 80% of Indian engineers can’t code? Companies only benefit because those workers will never leave them. US has gotten into absolutely negrofied employment system where employees progress more in their career by job hopping and employers no longer reward company loyalty. As a result the only way to not have your best employees fuck off ever 5 years is to get immigrant slaves that can’t leave.

>>106586717
H1b you can train for a year and they won’t fuck off for a better job. This is why companies no longer train their grads, because company loyalty is dead.

>>106586717
There is no intrinsic benefit skill wise of course. The only thing is that it's a global economy, so having a larger pool of labor they get to pick and choose "the cream of the crop", or at least that's what they say on paper. But for an entry level job that clearly isn't the case. Again, you already know that. It's obvious that it's a scam. The reality is nepotism and
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>>106586685 (OP)
you going extinct faster

>>106586685 (OP)
Not for American workers. Almost all H1-Bs are Indians and they bring their smelly culture and their poor English skills.

Where I work we use Python 3 but these Indians are constantly writing the shittiest Python 2 I've ever seen. They don't even use line breaks everything is all on one line. They don't bother to use string interpolation. The make no effort to make the code readable. Most scripts are simply copy and pasted with a handful of things modified because no one cares. Instead of following the flow of the script and letting the action happen in main() there's all kinds of shit thrown into the global scope. And no one has any consistency about anything.

And I don't care either. I'll never see an extra dime if there were efforts to modernize the codebase but their aren't. They paid for slop work so slop is what the fuck they'll get. I got reprimanded for performance but the fuckers failed to realize that I'm working on two separate teams, their stories have a tendency to go out of scope, and I've literally had to work on duplicate tickets because "oops" but somehow the blame is on me and not this dysfunctional organization.

And don't get me started on trying to have a technical conversation with someone who doesn't have a grasp of the English language. I had this one street shitter accuse me of being late to a meeting because he didn't realize what time my contract says I'm supposed to start and what timezone I'm in. Then the stupid fucker slanders me to my Indian boss and I'm forced to verbally put this fucker in his place along with a strongly worded letter to HR.

I can't imagine working in a company where the Indians are in management.

Fuck Fannie Mae. Fuck Indians in tech. I want my American bros back. I hope Trump lights a fire in ICE's asshole and the street shitters are sent packing. I think the companies should also face fines and penalties but I don't want them downsizing either.

>>106586761
And company loyalty is dead because fresh grads are treated like shit lol. Your first job in the field is always going to be the worst one.

>>106586862
shit bait

>>106586761
Company loyalty is dead because the best way to get a raise is to hop jobs.
Blame the fucking companies.

>>106586738
Because they can't do the job. This is a nation of scammers.

>>106586755
>>106586761
There's no company loyalty because employers have NEVER given workers a fair share of profits. So you end up grinding and job hopping until you find a company that DOES value you. Going where you're treated best is the most capitalist move you can pull off.

Workers had to fight tooth and nail just to get reasonable safety regulations. OSHA's regulations are written in blood. You guys are babies that wouldn't last an hour working in a factory. You guys don't know how important shit like lock out tag out is.

Because corporations will save costs at the expense of worker safety, comfort, and happiness..why should anyone give a fuck?

Now that I'm older I realize that a lot of stuff we're fed is bullshit. A lot of extremist viewpoints like communism and fascism are designed to place an elite group of self-important assholes at the top while everyone else suffers. And because shit like that is all that people know, with stupid lines like "late stage capitalism", they're easy to manipulate. Most people don't really think critically. They don't think "well damn...maybe I was lied to and fed a bunch of garbage". They don't think to approach a problem as if they've never seen it before and come up with their own conclusions.

>>106586830
Oh yeah, some companies don't even pay interns.

>>106586862
Sounds like a very Jewish conclusion. The pilpul is strong with this one.

>>106586761
The 1.5-2 year job hopping meta came back to bite the collective population in the ass.
Tragedy of the commons.

>>106586830
Well, if there was company loyalty there would be a guarantee that once you get past internship and start actually being useful to the company that you will get rewarded with incremental raises.

Really don't get why Trump is wasting so much money deporting like 500 mexicans when he could deport about 5,000,000 poos by literally just not doing anything. If it was anyone but Trump I would think he was grifting.

>>106586950
Yes, just like there was back in the day.

>>106587165
Jeets are good sycophants, and elites like him love them some sycophantic brown men.

>>106586761
How about paying a decent wage so juniors don't immediately fuck off to somewhere else after a couple years? But they don't hire juniors anymore to begin with. Hope Trump sends all jeets home and makes it illegal to hire them. It's the only way to fix this mess.

>>106587259
>Hope Trump sends all jeets home and makes it illegal to hire them. It's the only way to fix this mess.

Right there with you, dude. I don't hate them but I don't want them changing the demographics of the country and I don't want to work with them anymore. They have a culture that doesn't mesh well with the West. They need to go home.

>>106586685 (OP)
for code monekys you can pay them 75% of the pay for 90% of the ability to code basic java applications or javascropt react webpages. for advanced for you pay 90% of the American for 50% of the ability. Its a distinction the hiring department doesn't really understand, thy just see the asking pay and the quotas set by nepos in management.

>>106586862
#1 and #3 are conflicting points chang

>>106586685 (OP)
i will never be able to wrap my head around the hippy boomer's love of indians

>>106587259
>How about paying a decent wage so juniors don't immediately fuck off to somewhere else after a couple years?
Isn't it natural that a 'decent wage' is suppressed after 10 years+ of 'learn to code' and everyone doing everything they can to overload the profession right down to literally making 'boot camps' and shit?
I'm not saying people shouldn't get decent wages, but the shitshow it is now shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

>>106588927
also I'll add to my post here that the decade of ZIRP is over and that probably has more to do with it than anything.

>>106586722
>tolerates poorer working conditions
They're given the same as anyone else.
>tolerates lower pay and benefits
Many are actually paid quite handsomely. Even if they weren't, plenty of americans looking for entry level jobs would happily work for minimum wage even in skilled positions, because its better than making nothing like many are now and they still get to build that sweet, precious experience on their resumes.
>tolerates longer working hours
see first point
>satisfies the corporate diversity quota
This is definitely part of it in some places, but it certainly wouldn't be enough to cause entire departments being replaced almost everywhere you look.

It's genuinely inexplicable. The only other factor I can imagine is that there's 100 foreign applications coming in for every domestic one, and so a random chance pick keeps going to the browns, but that doesn't seem like enough for the sheer scale of what we see either.

I can't imagine the average boomer manager having the mindset of "Mwahahaha! I'll be able to work these pathetic browns to the bone!".

>>106586717
the ruling class hate you and want you dead but are too cowardly to start an actual shooting war with you. so they kill you softly and they make you think its your own fault. the benefit is that they think the world will be easier for their children to rule is they dont have to compete with yours.

Companies don't care, they just want slaves that won't complain.

>>106589305
They do NOT think about you. There is no grand conspiracy for anything other than line go up.

>>106586685 (OP)
when the tech billionares were still millionares, they lobbied your government to take your grandparent's tax money and invest it in colleges and universities in india with the explicit purpose of replacing your generation as cheaper labor.

https://news.microsoft.com/source/1997/03/04/bill-gates-technology-investments-will-make-india-an-economic-and-software-superpower/

The ruling class arent going to undo their master plan while they are winning, therefore
the only 'real' sollution to this problem is to violently expel the invaders and hang the people responsible from lamp posts but nobody is willing to do that because the situation hasn't become uncomfortable enough for people to risk their relativelly comfortable life styles. Even as a lower class prole on welfare, the average american still enjoys a standard of living higher than the majority of the world. And the poor people already in this country are happy to see the whites fall down and join them in the slums, where they can then lord over what they think is a passive and weak white race.

>>106589296
people need to stop bullshiting themselves and realize this is about racial replacement. the hindu is never going to hire you, even for minimum wage, because they have a hundred relatives that 'need' jobs so they can come over here and shit up theplace. its not about what americans can or can not tolerate, or how smart or hard working they are. Even if you accepted third world living standards right this second, the sociopaths replacing you wouldnt give a single fuck. Just like the op, its copium. There are no 'better workers from other countries'. Its just someone to replace you and yours and they will never stop trying until everyone is replaced and a third class citizen in their own country.

>>106589368
Of course its not a conspiracy, it's a plot. It's out in the open, and not a secret at all. 'lol the line goes up' is a boomer cope out. Every time the boomers get fucked over they are told 'relax, its nothing personal, its just business' wink wink, nudge nudge, ignore all patterns and just roll with it.

Fuck you. You know why the line 'has to keep going up'? Because of inflation. And what causes inflation? The government printing money. And who does the government borrow money from to print money? The fed. And who controls the fed? A private institution composed of a small racial minority group who has magically become one of the most powerful buracratic forces on the planet after parasitizing our governmente for a hundred years.

THE LINE HAS TO KEEP GOING UP because they have to keep printing money to give to themselves because they keep having more children. Because they grow their families and their clans while you are childless and homeless. They have 10 children while you invest all your money in furbabies and funcopops.

They want to replace you SPECIFICALLLY so the line can go up. WHich lines? all the lines, including debt. The regular average american citizen is DEBT MAXED. They cant get anymore loans. They cant pay any more interest. So for the BANKERS LINE TO GO UP, they literally need more people in the system. New people, with no debt. So they siphon off your tax dollars to import forigners so they can be given loans and grants and special welfare vouchers which they use to buy the american life style which cycles back into the other businesses they own all while some stupid retarded boomer fuck thinks this is natural and normal and 'just business'. They may not be targeting ME specifically but they sure as fuck are targeting ALL OF US collectively because we have out lived our usefulness to their broken system you stupid fuck.

>>106589296
>They're given the same as anyone else.
Except they're not they have a looming H1B visa guillotine above their head and their cushy job and their fantastic rich American life can go poof in an instant.

>Many are actually paid quite handsomely. Even if they weren't, plenty of americans looking for entry level jobs would happily work for minimum wage even in skilled positions, because its better than making nothing like many are now and they still get to build that sweet, precious experience on their resumes.

I highly doubt STEM degrees that have about 50~100k$ in student dept are "happy" to work for any wage below 60k$

>see first point
see first point

>It's genuinely inexplicable.
You get workers that are loyal to the company, suck dick, are afraid constantly of getting deported back to Indian if they don't preform and they have 0 student loans or if they do have any its like some pathetic sum like 20k$ that they can pay off in a year while living in a condo.

>I can't imagine the average boomer manager having the mindset of "Mwahahaha! I'll be able to work these pathetic browns to the bone!".
It's like you're blind or blissfully low IQ
Let me list some names for you
Sundar Picahi
Staya Nadella
Shantanu Narayen
Arvind Krishna
Sanjay Mehrotra
Nikesh Arora

Can you do it now? Can you imagine an Indian getting employed as a CEO do to EXACTLY that to hire more indians that hire more indians that hire more indians because it's cheaper cheaper cheaper. At some point it comes an US vs THEM thing where they want to favor their own too.

This is like the slave trade. It wasn't the Spainards and the English that went net in hand into the Tropical Malaria infested jungles of East Africa to get their slaves. It was the black tribes war slaves, the dept slaves and others. It was the blacks selling the blacks to the Europeans for Gold. And this is exactly whats happening now it's the Indian slave trade. It's the Indians coming to the rich whites.

>>106589296
>They're given the same as anyone else.
>Many are actually paid quite handsomely
I'm sure they are, saar

>>106586717
They're cheaper and disenfranchise Whites to self selection. That's it. That's the gay nagger kike agenda.

>>106586685 (OP)
Young thirdie engineers might well be better than locals. Pushing larger and larger proportion of people into higher education means that dumber and dumber people end up as engineer. Quotas and positive discrimination does not help either. These thing mostly affect developed countries

>>106586685 (OP)
>their unexperienced engineers are so much better than ours?
unironically, yes
more than half of your population is functionally illiterate today

>>106589687
>thirdie better than locals
It's >5% of the thirdies that are actually competent. They just lie about certs and experience to get the job.
>>106589296
>increasing supply doesn't lower wages
It causes massive wage stagnation in any occupation they are allowed to occupy.
>They're given the same as anyone else.
They are not because they fear being deported.

>>106586685 (OP)
Americans are fat, lazy, and can't even pass remedial math class. They no longer deserve any jobs compared to talented h1-bs.

>>106586685 (OP)
Slave labour.

>>106586761
Company loyalty is dead because the companies are not loyal to their employees.

>>106586685 (OP)
Its the next slave class, like farm work. They'll get away with paying these people peanuts and make it an undesirable job for Americans. Getting a CS degree today would be like getting a Agricultural in the 50s. Sure, you might get a really fancy job, but the rest can't even depend on a farm job.

Unemployment and racism is such a potent combination for delusions.

>>106586685 (OP)
lol no.

only corporate profits, but it fucks the workers over by lowering their wages.

there could potentially be some benefit for temporary workers keeping factories open in rural areas or something.

>>106589411
Your average workplace is full of nothing but fluorinated normies who certainly aren't in on the master plan. I'd sooner believe that your boomer manager genuinely believes indians are smart because he saw one be good at math in a sitcom than that he spends his time pondering ways to lower white birth rates.

There is a conspiracy, but it is only among the actual elite, not people you'd ever meet in-person. Google the Century Initiative and who spearheaded it.

>>106589460
>Except they're not they have a looming H1B visa guillotine above their head and their cushy job and their fantastic rich American life can go poof in an instant.
And that's a level of hand-rubbing that I don't think most people are capable of, not that its morally beyond them, but that most are too retarded and passive to think and execute something like that.

>I highly doubt STEM degrees that have about 50~100k$ in student dept are "happy" to work for any wage below 60k$
Maybe "happy" was the wrong word, but after a straight year of applying, new grads will jump on just about anything that comes a'knocking. They'd take walmart if they got responses from them, and building experience in their field while earning the same pay is even better than that.

>look at these indian CEOs
These people are not the ones rejecting your job applications. Middle managers are.
Jeet nepotism is real, but its the late stage of this disease. Things don't get that way until indians have already been being brought in for some time.
My last workplace was one toothless ancient white guy who owned the place, 100 mexicans, and me. I know what would motivate a patel or a gonzalez to do this, but I can't fathom why he would.

>>106589475
Yes, they are, and its absolutely baffling.
See picrel and search stuff yourself at this link: https://h1bdata.info/
Look at all these jobs that there were totally no americans willing to do!

>>106587311
Please tell trump to start accepting white Canadian refugees. Please..

>>106590470
Of course increasing the supply of labor devalues it. However, no managers (except for those at the very top) are making their decisions with the intent to move the economy as a whole.

>They are not because they fear being deported.
I have not seen data supporting the theory that they are receiving less, while I have seen that corporations are happily throwing boatloads of money at these shitskins for no good reason.

>>106590607
https://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wage-levels/
There is plenty of data showing wage stagnation and lower wages for H-1B holders.

>>106590607
Job immobility is created by employer sponsored green cards. If they want to leave a job that has better working conditions like a native worker, then they have to start the process all over again.

>>106590487
based

>>106591157
*not the comment, the picrel

>>106586685 (OP)
Brain Drain anon.
You drain the poorer country out of Talent through competitive wages, promises of a better life and more.