Thread 106827956

Why aren't Linux desktop computers more common in big box stores if they're cost effective?

>>106827956 (OP)
Just because its free doesn't mean its good

>>106827956 (OP)
better question why can't you stfu and not make shit threads??? HUH???

>>106827956 (OP)
Microsoft threatened to prevent any computer manufacturer who sold linux preinstalled from then selling computers with windows.

So yeah, the reason you can't is directly because of big tech corruption.

>>106827956 (OP)
because if you value your time even at minimum wage they work out more expensive than a macbook that just works

>>106828370
God forbid you learn how to fix your own computer am I right?
Btw if you ever have a problem in Windows then you don't usually have the tools to figure out what's wrong with it lol.

>>106828395
When something breaks on windows you just system restore to the previous restore point, there's no need to fix anything

>>106827956 (OP)
>why isn't a high-maintenance enthusiast OS for people who like to tinker more common.

Shut up. Linux is the homemade radio of OS. Normal people don't want that shit.

>>106828395
so linux is so bad and unstable you have to "fix" it all the time. i get it now.

>>106828370
Mac just works for a specific set of usecases. But its software and hardware (ie connecting peripheral hardware) support is more limited than windows, where everything truly just works.
>t. mac user

>>106827956 (OP)
>>106828362
I guess Dell was big enough to tell them to fuck off because you can buy Dells with Ubuntu or even no OS at all.

>>106828586
It's not possible to pirate something that can be downloaded for free from microsoft.com

>>106828000
It's free if you don't value your time.

>>106828395
It's not about learning to fix your computer, it's that the overwhelming vast majority of people DON'T want to fix their computers.

It's like changing your car oil, it's quite literally the simplest thing in the world, just wrench open the oil pan, let it drain into container, close it when empty, and fill new oil from the top. The hardest thing about an oil change is changing the oil filter. Do people do it? no, they take it to a jiffy lube to pay $80 and get scammed about their air filter.

>>106828453
>so linux is so bad and unstable you have to "fix" it all the time. i get it now.
I've had more unfixable problems on windows than I've ever had in Linux lol.

>>106827956 (OP)
chromeos. your kid's first laptop will be a linux laptop.

>>106829038
Yeah seems like Chrome OS is the future.

>>106830931
>Linux actually declined
y-year of the linux desktop...

>>106828453
WAFFLES

>>106830931
>doesn't combine OSX and MacOS
what is this shit

There was the Lindows computers
The eeepc netbooks
The Java Desktop System from Sun (Including a Solaris version).

>>106830931
Aren't macOS and OS X the same?

>>106828875
And other fun things you can say to cope with being a Linux user in the year 2025

>>106827956 (OP)
No one wants to use linux even if they're free. Cause the time cost to normal operations is much more and ths linux is worthless

>>106827956 (OP)
>cost effective
Cost-effectiveness is a meme at a certain scale, because marketers and salesmen try every trick in the book to get the most out of your pocket while expending the least amount out of their own.
You can "escape" that by making informed decisions, where you pay your time as tax to escape getting a shitty product, because cost-effectiveness is also real at the same time, and the collective knowledge of the consumer and their demand form the actual value of the thing.

>>106827956 (OP)
>get supercharged
Is this what it's called when your credit card gets a massive expense for an overpriced laptop?

>>106831238
This isn't 2009. What kind of problems do you think I'm gonna run into? I have a dedicated work PC my job provides me. So I game, watch movies, and shitpost.

>>106827956 (OP)
Sure, if a distro worked with a manufacturer, got computers built, put them in stores and was willing to undertake the support commitment.
It's not going to happen unless someone puts money into it.

>>106827956 (OP)
Because people buying computers in big box stores don't even know there's other things besides windows and maybe apple, hell, most of the world don't even know the concept of operating system to begin with, let alone the existence of several of them.

>>106828586
Windows was always easy to pirate, that's how they increased their market share. Business and corps would always pay for licenses, which was MSFT's main source of revenue.

>>106827956 (OP)
Get a Dell Latitude of the 7000 series, install Ubuntu, then enjoy. Simple as.

>>106827956 (OP)
>troonix
>cost effective

Why are people who get filtered by Linux even on this board?

>>106835034
itoddlers were the zombie apocalypse

>>106827956 (OP)
Okay...

...which linux?

>>106835034
have you seen /spg/ recently?
the inigger infestation grows by leaps and bounds

>>106828718
I use linux specifically because i value my time.

>>106828000
The day you see a Linux laptop in a big box store is the day you know the economy has gone to shit

>>106835129
No, smartphones are nigger technology. I don't use nigger technology

>>106827956 (OP)
Windows is like a pickup truck, MacOS is like a car, Linux is either a unicycle, motorcycle, or semitruck, or a rat rod depending on how it's configured. Only way it will be mainstream is a distro that's as clean as MacOS, has as much software compatibility as Windows, and you never have to use command line

>>106828395
>learn to fix a thing that doesn't break

>>106835127
Mint is the closest thing.

>>106827956 (OP)
womm

>>106827956 (OP)
Because you can't talk dumb goyim into buying an antivirus and office software while they're in store if they buy a Linux computer

linux software is still trash after 10 years of donations

>>106836018
No one uses an antivirus anymore freetard. Get on with the times.

>>106828362
Yeah, that'd be a juicy anti competitive lawsuit

>>106827956 (OP)
in EU they are. in my cunt linux is preinstalled on most laptops or pcs bevause theu are cheapskates and dont want to pay licneces. funny is that the wifi sometimes doesnt even work....

necertheless, you can have all computers worldwide be preloaded with linux by default. wont change a thing. case and point. i didnt buy a windows license, so my pc came with ubunti 16.04. i didnt know what the fuck that was, so i leetched off to my homie for a windows pro copy.

>>106827956 (OP)
the people that use Linux are not the kind of people that will buy a desktop computer from a big box store.
Our only hope is that some china laptop maker will make their own chromebook clones.

Like some import restrictions forbids them from installing Chromeos or win on the machines (or they just want to save money). And they just install a stripped down debian with a fullscreen firefox on it.

>>106827956 (OP)
Linux computers are in fact sold in big stores, sometimes they're quite popular.
Chromebooks were flying off the shelves 5 years ago when all the kids started "learning" remotely.
There are also cheapo laptops that achieve their price point by also foregoing a Windows license and shipping Ubuntu or Endless OS.

>>106827956 (OP)
>Apple
>Get supercharged for jewniversity
Yeah.. $uuper-charged

>>106827956 (OP)
Its not efficient. People need efficient OSes. Thats the purpose of technology, its not supposed to make tasks more burdensome.

because

>>106835144
and what is it you do with that time you hold so valuable? hop distros and rice your desktop and then rinse and repeat? or is that what 2015 you was doing

>>106827956 (OP)
what you think things have changed from 16 years ago? They haven't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI

>>106840479
watching hardcore pornography and playing violent video games

>>106827956 (OP)
>Why aren't Linux desktop computers more common in big box stores if they're cost effective?
big box stores need a massive margin to survive. cost effective solutions aimed at price sensitive consumers are right out.

>>106838188
get with the program
>halloween documents

>>106828517
Yes, pretty much.
>>106838188
You can get away with a lot of shit if you toss money at the problem. This is how M$ has operated for years. Even when they get caught and fined, the payout is a drop in the bucket for them.

>>106830931
Chrome OS will be discontinued and replaced with Android - or "merged" to put it more gently.
https://chromeunboxed.com/its-official-google-says-the-android-and-chromeos-merger-is-coming-next-year/

anyone can put linux on their laptop easily for free

however you can't as easily put windows on a laptop for free, but OEMs can

so by displaying a linux laptop you're not advertising a feature, but rather a lack of a feature, one that can only annoy

>>106842549
The feature is not paying $120 for a useless Windows license

>>106827956 (OP)
Clueless buyer has no idea what Linux is, can't understand why he can't use some Windows program, returns the computer as defective.

>>106842398
Yeah, we're not in the 90s anymore, though
>>106842498
Sure, and factored in from the start, but regulations can throw a monkey wrench into the most finely crafted strategy, it all depends on how powerful the opposing interests are.

>>106842549
It's literally (much) easier for anyone to install windows for free than any linux distro.

>>106828605
What do you call the unlicensed use of a piece of software?
>bonus points for colloquial name

>>106842833
>Yeah, we're not in the 90s anymore, though
>they stopped because they were caught
Still applies tho

>>106842859
It's literally, non-figuratively, realistically the exact opposite of this. You have to create a bootable USB in both cases but Linux install is just clicking Next a couple of times and you have everything. No need to even know what a "driver" is since all the drivers come automatically. No license key, no Onedrive setup, no Live account setup, when you see the desktop it's ready to use.

>>106837546
Normoids (especialy boomers) get conned into buying that shit all the time, propriecuck

>>106842926
Lolwut?
You literally install windows off ms, apply massgrave and it's done.

>>106837546
Last one I installed was, get this, thunderbyte av...

>>106827956 (OP)
They are.
In my country a linux version of the same laptop is about 50 USD cheaper.
My Lenovo actually came with a shitty Debian version pre-installed. Dell also has the same deal.

BTW, third world here. We are used to formatting computers because of bloated OEM Windows versions.

>>106843009
Yeah thanks for proving me right, homo. You don't need to do any of this shit on Linux (like Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example).

>>106843039
>Ahahahah
You are an absolute disingenuous retard.
Just kys.

>>106842926
>>106843039
>Just click next
Windows install in a nutshell
>Need to know what a driver is
Lolwut?
>Onedrive, live account
Come again?
>when you see the desktop it's ready to use.
Oh, I get it; you mixed up Windows and Linux...
Lmao

>>106843100
>>106843146
>pajeet shill force going full panic mode
It warms my heart that we all know I'm right and there's just nothing you can do about it.

>>106827956 (OP)
>cost effective
For whom?
Any answer ITT that doesn't mention slotting fees or similar retail agreements is a retard with no idea what xe's talking about.

>>106843321
>The proojector
>Globohomo Windows
>Troon Linux
Fuck clown world

>>106827956 (OP)
>Why aren't Linux
ESL moment

>>106838188
>he thinks lawsuits against msft works in the year of our lord 2025

>>106828395
>>106828725
I can fix your Linux for 20$. It would still be cheaper than a Windows license.

>>106844452
(You)

>>106843557
t. clown

>>106828000
Checked trips of something or other I forgot
Free COVID vaccines

>>106827956 (OP)
The average person sees PC as a synonym for Windows, if you don't want a PC you can get a linux based Chromebook using ChromeOS.

>>106827956 (OP)
Microsoft threatens to pull out of retailers if they don't sell Windows computers lmao

>>106846278
ChromeOS isn't GNU/Linux.

>>106831238
I have been using both since the year of our Lord 2010, and installing Linux on most PCs has never taken me more than an hour, including post-install setup. With Windows getting something usable (as in: I can give it to my dad to use without supervision) takes at least 3-4 hours.

>>106846278
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>106827956 (OP)
Apple won.

>>106828362
Proof?

>>106830931
Seems like Unknown is the future if anything

>>106827956 (OP)
Corporations stick together OP. And Windows is the 'business OS', while Mac is the 'creatives OS'. Making something cheaper with Linux isn't good for profits.

>>106830972
>>106831002
>It lost market share

>>106839652
>troonix
>Get supercharged with HRT
Yeah.. suuper-charged

>>106850770
Thanks for your service autism-kun