Thread 106869057

>the audiophiles were right
goddamnit. why did i wait so long

misspelled hebe

>>106869057 (OP)
>not speakers
Enjoy them for some time anon, but you should know that the true awakening is yet to come, i cannot go back to headphones at my desk

>>106869057 (OP)
this -50

>>106869057 (OP)
>you need good headphones that aren't bloated by an attached mic
yes
>all the other audiophile autism
no

>>106869184
This, I don't give a fuck what anyone says, good quality monitors >>> headphones.

Don't these break all the time if you've got a normal size head

switched from a logicrap gaming headset to a phillips fidelio and had the same thought. why didn't I switch earlier.

>>106869275
My head is enormous (e.g. vast majority of hats aren't sold in a large enough size to fit on my head, baseball caps opened to widest hole sit on top of my scalp like a yarmulke) and mine have been working well for 15 years, just have to buy a replacement cable once every two years or so.

>>106869275
I don't know, I have a large head and I've had them for a decade at least.

>>106870406
>doesn't know about the Beetz Yakub Edition

>>106869275
ive had my 6XX and 598s for years and just replaced pads/cables

>>106869057 (OP)
just bought
thx for ad

>>106869275
You just extend the metal parts all the way, bend them to reduce the clamping, and then the plastic headband doesn't crack.

Do you plug it in motherboard port or you must have a sound card?

>>106871680
needs an amplifier or you won't be getting the most out of em, look up good affordable dac/amps they'll plug into a usb port

>>106869204
HD 600 was one of the first ones I had, and my god turned out to be one of the worst of the bunch. They're good... for a very limited selection of undemanding genres.

>>106869057 (OP)
>$300
>audiophile

What do you mean OP? I'm an audiophile and those headphones in the photo are absolute garbage.

>>106871818
I have headphones that are superb with only one or two genres. The HD600 are shit at practically everything.

>>106872115
I actually agree, I was just being nice to the HD 600. I gave it at least 3 chances like several years apart, still don't like them.

>Sennheiser gets shilled on 4shill now.
Not like that... Not like that...

I like that brand. I don't want to add it to my no-buy list.

>>106869057 (OP)
BY OL MAN SENNY

>>106869057 (OP)
it's amazing how good they still are after 30 years. very serviceable too. those might as well be the last headphones you will ever buy, OP.

>>106871829
$300 is way too much. Those are worth like 100 tops. And at that price there's already better headphones (Hifiman 400SE) so there's no point.

>>106871514
this

>>106869057 (OP)
>this peasant consumerslop
>audiophile tier
sweetie please

>>106872143
Don't worry, there's not much to like about the brand at all. Out of the hundreds of headphones they've made since the very beginning only a handful are good, and barely anyone ever talks about those. It's certainly not the HD6** series.

>>106872177
Would be a shame if he spends the rest of his days listening to the same crappy pair of headphones. He's just starting out, let him upgrade to something good no?

Where's /hpg/ when you need it? We gotta steer this man in the right direction.

>>106872300
The right direction is iemg.

>>106872308
IEMs for outdoors, open back headphones for indoors. The very best iems can't substitute the very best open back headphones out there. And the very best open back headphones can't substitute the very best speakers out there... but that's another story.

>>106869057 (OP)
>the audiophiles were right
>the poorfag copers at r/headphones who think anything above $500 is snake oil

>>106872316
It takes at least LCD-2C to reach parity with $20 IEMs. OP is not there yet.

>>106869275
I don't know my head size, but I've had HD 6XX for about 10 years now. I just replace the earpads every 2 years so it becomes "like new".

>>106871818
skill issue

>>106872331
I don't think those $20 IEMs are open back anon. You should only compare them to closed backs.

>>106869057 (OP)
no bass though. try to listen to a planar magnetic at some point, you will laugh when you listen back to your senns afterwards

>>106869057 (OP)
>paying more for something gets you better stuff
oh wow who would have thought? also they're only right up to a point before it becomes mental illness. they're the same as mech keyboard faggots who are only marginally better

>>106872757
You absolutely can compare open-backs to closed-backs. Hd600 is famous for not being less wide than closed-backs.

>>106872907
*for being less wide

>>106871818
how do you feel about the HD660S2 vs 490 PRO? Considering buying one of them. To me the biggest weakness of the 600/650 is the imaging, so I'm curious if the S2's are markedly better

>>106872328
>>106872328
>>the poorfag copers at r/headphones who think anything above $500 is snake oil
Right? It's insane to me. So many people think all you need is a pair of HD560s which cost 150 or 200 bucks and slap on a Harman EQ preset (made by the likes of Oratory et al) and along with a $100 chinese SMSL DAC/Amp that Amir from ASR said it's completely transparent and high SINAD, they've achieved hifi endgame.
Everything else is either worse or snake oil. For them, detail doesn't exist, stage doesn't exist, transient speed doesn't exist, transducer types don't matter...

i can't use these any more zoomers in discord said all the headphones made before 2021 are muddy and bad

>>106873176
It's all objectively measurable and cheap headphones (e.g. HE400se) can measure very well.

>>106872907
No, we know the HD600 is garbage. You mentioned Audeze planars. Leagues above.

>>106873194
And they're wrong. I use +40 year old headphones that are the complete opposite of muddy and bad. But don't tell them. More for me.

>>106873207
Yes and they do measure really well especially considering you get them for like 50 bux at this point and they are better than HD600, but we were talking about the people that think simply getting one of those and slapping a Harman EQ on top gets you to endgame and anything more expensive than that is snake oil.

>muddy
I'm in the opposite camp, I think they could be warmer than they are.

HD650+oratory EQ+topping DXL


audio endgame, anything more than this is placebo and/or bloat

>>106873914
Even warmer? Sounds like absolute insanity. I don't know how one can enjoy that. What kind of music sounds good on that? Probably just vocals and similar stuff?

>>106873941
Sorry, but that's a poorfag cope. It's a shit setup.

>>106874115
you can't name a single change that would objectively improve my listening experience

>>106874151
You can start by getting actually high end headphones?

I've had my 650's for like 10 years and they are still going strong. Had to replace the cable once but that's easy because they are just plugged in. The earpads are in dire need of replacement but they still function for now. I take them off and wash them occasionally. Sometimes i have to carefully pick some hairs from the speaker elements when they start making noise as they vibrate inside

>>106869184
i bought some kali unfs and i really like them but far off from a revelation to me. also tested some kanto stuff, nubert nuboxx etc.

>>106873176
none of this shit matters
what matters is hearing the music as the producer heard it

>>106874236
just because they cost more doesn't make them sound better

hd650 is audio endgame

>>106874236
not him
high end by what measure? price?

>>106869057 (OP)
I wear glasses so most headphones hurt my head, any suggestions?

>>106872331
Based retard

>>106873176
Yes and a lot of those copers have either never properly tested higher end gear or are tone deaf retard midfi experts who think they can tell those who can afford better gear what detail they can hear or not.
>reeeee no one should never spend more than $20,000 on a car to get from a to b
>reeeee no one should never spend more than $30 on a bottle of wine
>reeeee no one should never buy anything more expensive a TCL/Hisense TV
>reeeee no one should never buy a GPU better than a 4060

>>106874392
*ever

>>106874263
>he earpads are in dire need of replacement but they still function for now.
my absolute god you never replaced them? post a photo of them, I'm curious now the state of them after 10 years.
Just buy new ones, and a new headband while you're at it
https://eu.sennheiser-hearing.com/products/earpads-with-foam-disk
https://eu.sennheiser-hearing.com/sv/collections/sennheiser-spare-parts-and-accessories/products/kp-hd-651

>>106874392
the only apt analogy here is the wine one (because its taste is subjective and people think more expensive = better :))

>>106874392
none of those things are placebos like hi fi though...

>>106874392
>reeeee no one should never buy a GPU better than a 4060
Nobody buys a better graphics card and then says things like "Yeah but I went back to my 1060 Ti because I liked it better"
There are however a ton of people with hi-fi headphones and summit-fi shit that wind up going back to their HD 600's because they like the sound.

>>106874493
>>106874539
>$6000 brioni suits are not placebo
>$20000 watches are not placebo
>$4 million Bugattis are not placebo
>$3000 rtx 5090 is not placebo

but $2000 headphones/AMPs/DACs are snake oil

>>106874570
>a ton of people with hi-fi headphones and summit-fi shit that wind up going back to their HD 600's because they like the sound.
Who is the 'ton' of people? you can like the HD600 sound and keep it around. That doesn't make all the expensive gear you own irrelevant snake oil. Sounds like tone deaf retardism of poor person with buyers regret

>>106874611
>>$6000 brioni suits are not placebo
>>$20000 watches are not placebo
>>$4 million Bugattis are not placebo
>>$3000 rtx 5090 is not placebo

>but $2000 headphones/AMPs/DACs are snake oil

Correct

>>106874611
>That doesn't make all the expensive gear you own irrelevant snake oil
Dacs literally do one single thing and it's very simple it takes a digital signal and converts it to analog, an expensive dac changes literally nothing and you are wasting your money if you spend thousands on that shit, same goes for cables, its a fucking copper wire. So yes, it is snake oil and a waste of money.

Spending money on the headphones themselves isn't snake oil, but arguably you're going to hit diminishing returns faster than you would on say speakers. But that doesn't mean a 2000 dollar headphone is snake oil.

are there any good sub 200$ audiophile headphones with mic? I still have to have meetings every now and then

>>106874699
why not just buy a separate cheap shit mic? headsets are a joke

>>106874699
any headphones can be used with a mic

>>106874611
after a certain point (which is not very far at all), anything more becomes a matter of personal preference rather than technical advantage
like i have no doubt a $20,000 sound system sounds /different/ to a $2,000 sound system, but not because it's objectively, measurably /better/, just that it's different. if anything with all the meme tech like vinyl records and vacuum tubes, it might even be technically /worse/ than a cheaper system

it's like how vinyl records or reel-to-reel tape is worse than cd's in objective sound quality, but because they sound /different/ to cd's, some people may prefer how they sound, even though there's nothing preventing a cd from sounding like a vinyl record or tape if it were to be processed accordingly

>>106874281
I agree, but you won't ever actually achieve that. Ever.
Can get close to the intention though.

>>106874295
I agree, cost is not always related to performance. For example, the HD650 cost too much for how shit they sound. Can get better headphones for the price, and much better headphones for more money.

>>106874655
>Dacs literally do one single thing
R2R and Chip DACs sound different
>same goes for cables, its a fucking copper wire
Copper cables and silver plated copper can sound different

These differences are often only revealed with higher chain matched gear. I got planars I thought sounded good on $300 DAC & AMP. I spent a couple thousand and they came alive.

I don't care what poor plebbitors think. Why the fuck would you get butthurt if someone spends $200, $2000 or $20000 on a gizmo? Why would you pretend to be an expert on it if you choose cheap? Why would you care what boomers spend their hoarded money on. Retarded normies spend more money on cars, bikes, guns, food, alcohol, vacations and subscriptions. 'Snake oil' is sold everywhere.

>>106874302
There are many measures, but you gotta train your ear a little bit.
Better headphones often have better imaging, better stage, better separation, better extension on both ends, higher resolution / detail etc.
The HD650, as well as the HD600, is pretty bad at almost all of those. But some people enjoy that kind of sound, for some reason. Many just haven't actually tried to pursue something better.

>>106874392
This happens a lot on /g/ for some reason. You shouldn't buy a phone that costs more than $200, you shouldn't get a computer newer or more expensive than a mid 2000's thinkpad, so on so forth.

>>106874462
The one thing I like about this brand is that they still offer original replacement earpads for most of their headphones. I bought a pair from 1970 and they are still selling the earpads for it.

>>106874878
narrator: you can't

>>106874906
>Better headphones often have better imaging, better stage, better separation, better extension on both ends, higher resolution / detail etc.
is any of that objective?
does any of that take into account the kind of music or how it was produced?
my belief is that there is NO headphone that is better than any other headphone for ALL music

>>106874914
That I can relate to and is par for /g/. I don't like all consoomerism. but one can't deny appreciation for something better performing that costs more. The reddit fags are insufferable though. I think a lot are wumao cheap chinkfi/iem shills. And smells of poor ethnicels.

>>106869057 (OP)
It's understandable, trying to figure out which one to buy is a crapshoot. I wish there was a place in the US like this one store in Akihabara where you can just walk in and ask to try high end shit

>>106869057 (OP)
HURRY GET YOUR PEBBLES, NOW!

>>106872143
sennheiser hd280s have been recommended here since before reddit existed

>>106869184
Based. I luv my Elacs. Only downside is the space they take up.