Thread 106881907

>meme distros that /g/ shills but won't stand the test of time
Remember Manjaro?
Remember EndeavorOS?
Remember Garuda?
Why do you keep falling for these meme distros, /g/?

>>106881907 (OP)
I like catchy I don't use it but I keep it on my ventoy USB. It works when you need to slap a distro on to a laptop or desktop right quick. Only takes a few minutes to de rice.

>>106881928
>de rice.
lol /g/ is full of children

>>106881928
Oh one thing I really don't like is ufw. I nuke that first and set up nftables rules

Literally who is talking about it other than you? This is the first time I've seen it even mentioned here.

>>106881938
>This is the first time I've seen it even mentioned here.
shut up winfag. go away

So it's the current hot flavor of Arch 4 n00bs, so what?

Both EndeavourOS and CachyOS stood the test of time, fuck are you on about?

Garuda died because CachyOS outcompeted it and Manjaro died because of downright malicious acts like nuking the AUR

>>106881907 (OP)
Cachy actually brings something to the table.
Last week we had a retard here installing Cachy on an Ivy bridge. Absolute buffoon.

>>106881987
no its not, that's Omarchy

>>106881907 (OP)
year of the linux desktop kino for 1-click everything goodness. has better ootb performance than most but the name is super gay and it's holding them back.

>>106882255
>name
Is it really that much gayer than Pop_OS! ?

>>106882001
Arch with cflaggotry is not "bringing something to the table"

>>106882289
arch packages are compiled for athlon 64 cpus

>>106881907 (OP)
>meme distro dies
>can switch to base arch in 5 seconds
Oh no.

>>106881992
>Both EndeavourOS and CachyOS stood the test of time, fuck are you on about?
they are basically still new, idiot.

>>106881907 (OP)
>No mention of Bazzite
>No mention of Nobara
Do you fags even

>>106883331
so?

>>106881907 (OP)
>remember Manjaro
incompetent trash
>remember endeavorOS
less trash but scripts too basic, just use archinstall at this point
>remember garuda
too much bloat
CachyOS doesn't have the aforementioned issues and it provides you with AVX2/512 optimized binaries. I installed it on my new Framework and everything from installation to general usage has been quite comfy. Considering switching my desktop.

>>106881907 (OP)
There's no point in installing those distros when one can already replicate them starting with a base distro.

>Why do you keep falling for these meme distros, /g/?
I don't

>>106881907 (OP)
I like it. This is where I stopped jumping distros

https://github.com/CachyOS/distribution/issues/216
Tick tock, meme distro will die into obscurity soon

>>106882255
year of the linux desktop will only happen with a beginner friendly distro, cachyos is just another distro for autists with scripts on top of arch.

>>106881907 (OP)
Tell me an arch install that can survive more 3 years

>>106881907 (OP)
just migrate it to arch repos if development stops, takes like 2 minutes.

>>106881907 (OP)
I don't. I tried CachyOS yes, but I realized it was shit when I tried using it on my laptop and I don't want to use it again and I would never recommend it

>>106883507
>There's no point in installing those distros when one can already replicate them starting with a base distro.
/g/ doesnt understand this

>>106883666
>archtard mad that retards can install the best performing distro easily
sad

CachyOS is bloat for tards, Arch + CachyOS repos is what I would use if I didn't run my own distro.

>>106883685
>just compile everything yourself for hours/days
my time isnt worthless jeet

>>106883687
You think I'm jealous of you? I should pity you. You're going to hit a pitfall of a meme distro you were stupid enough to fall for. I hope that 1-2% performance increase was worth the trouble for you

>>106883692
>my time isnt worthless
yet you're are's here posting in this trash thread

>>106883697
its way more than 1-2% in specific tasks, blender is around 20-30% faster than default arch.

>>106883710
By what metric? Your placebo?

>>106883331
Haven't tried Bazzite, Nobara has been ok but I don't really know what it's doing for me I couldn't accomplish with, say, anything else capable of running KDE Plasma. It's my first fedora based distro, pretty meh but I only really use Steam, a browser, and IDEs so I've just accepted it.

>>106883714
by testing it on a 7950x. Try it yourself if you have a newer cpu. Adding/Removing the repos/packages takes only a few minutes.

>>106883710
the problem is that cachyos is trying to capture two very different audiences, new users and the ones excited about v3-v4 instructions. this is what will fuck them on the long term.
bazzite knows what they're about: letting retards from windows play games on linux fullstop.

>>106881907 (OP)
>Why do you keep falling for these meme distros, /g/?
/g/ is dumb and wants a shortcut

>>106881938
I think some youtubers are talking about it, we live in a time where internet celebs are promoting flashy new distros

>>106883739
So it's a placebo. Got it

>>106883569
Same, it just works.

>>106881907 (OP)
There are only 3 distros that should be considered. Everything else is a useless meme fork.

Choose between Fedora, Debian or Arch.

If you use Linux, you have to trust the maintainers to not fuck up or fuck with packages. The best way for that trust to be grounded in any sort of reality is going with the upstream distros that have been around forever with reputable maintainers. I will never use a meme distro that could be compromised by retardation or malice just so I can have the convenience of some software already installed for me.. Like wtf why are meme distros even a thing

>>106884560
>retardation or malice
Call it

>>106881907 (OP)
only retards use meme distros like Arch.

>>106884427
so you say

>>106881907 (OP)
It's Arch for retards, and that's a good thing

>EndeavourOS
It's literally just a small graphical arch installer with YAY and a few annoyances sorted like.
I think it'll stand the test of time, if only because there's really not much to it.

Are you a macfag or something?
I'm asking because I noticed that the endeavour ISO has issue booting on a 2011 mac mini. You can just install arch on it though, so long as you have ethernet access. It's not rocket science.

Look I don't have time for this, just install Debian. I just saved you some distrohopping.

just use ubuntu or fedora like normal human beings instead of these shitty meme distros

I don't see the point given that you can add their repos on vanilla arch to get their optimized packages if you want. I use one of their kernels
"cachy" is fucking stupid name though

>>106885471
>noobuntu
>bloatdora
Fedora just bumped the size of the boot partition from 1GB to 2GB for 43 release lmao.

>>106885504
look who they're sponsored by and it'll make sense.

>>106885506
ask me how I know you are jobless

made by germans, gotta be good

>>106885745
cat dev too

>>106881907 (OP)
Its just arch with everything set up for you. No reason to get mad.
>EndeavorOS
Arch with a graphical installer
>Garuda
Arch with a dragon

Also all still around

>>106883569
>>106884427
Based and Cachy-pilled

>>106885745
finally

Follow the leader !

>>106881907 (OP)
>Remember Manjaro?
>Remember EndeavorOS?
yes and you can still use these because it's just Arch with some pre-installed bells and whistles, they just aren't as popular anymore

>>106888008
>Distro with a the most botted clicks on a exploitable website means it's good

>>106881907 (OP)
I wouldn't really call endeavouros a distro. Its just an arch installer with a theme and dracut.

You can even revert it back to stock arch with no issues.

CachyOS is the new Manjaro and it will become irrelevant in 10 years just like Manjaro because it's overrated and a bad meme distro

>>106889332
>on a exploitable website
>a exploitable
Sure ESL, push a random distribution to the top then

>>106882001
theres absolutely nothing wrong with cachyos on ivy bridge

>>106889382
Can't really call CachyOS the new Manjaro. They have yet to DDOS the AUR.

>>106889414
As if it didn't already happen?

>>106883331
immutable distros are retarded

>>106889436
You and I both know that was because some retard got upset his malware got removed

>>106881907 (OP)
Actually retarded. Just use gentoo, arch, artix, void, debian or devuan and build out your setup from there

>>106889436
rhel trannies throwing a tantrum

been using it for almost a year now
it just werx

>>106888008
Sauce? How do they even collect the data?

>>106889634
they count the number of visits to a page on their own site corresponding to the distro

>>106889634
https://distrowatch.com/

Arr distros are same

>>106881907 (OP)
fr fr. just use omarchy anon. smoothest hyprland setup.

>>106891639
>don't use THAT meme distro, use THIS meme distro!
no

>>106888008
archsisters...

I fell for it in 2011 and then simply decided to install debian minimal that does the same thing but better

nobara is one of the only good nu-age distros despite being fedorashit

>>106888008
Here are the REAL ratings

>>106889410
Ivy Bridge is not an X86_64-v3 processor.

>>106881907 (OP)
Distros that are derivatives from other distros shouldn't be used, on principle.

>>106881907 (OP)
Manjaro is still around and they are the only devs that ship compiled drivers for certain devices like the Pine Book Pro. That means that they're quite relevant still.

>>106881907 (OP)
>>106889382
Manjaro is still very popular and widely used.

>>106881992
CachyOS is very popular, but we still have yet to see if it'll stay that way. Several Arch-based distros have historically been somewhat popular but shut down after a few years. That's the whole reason EndeavourOS was made - it was filling a hole left by abandonware distros that were just "Arch with an easy installer".

>>106883331
Bazzite is popular enough and easy enough to maintain that it will very likely grow into an established distro. It's just Fedora Kinoite with a few changes on top and extra bloat which normies love.
Nobara doesn't sound bad in theory, but the only thing I've heard about it is the fact that updating it always breaks something. And it doesn't seem popular at all compared to Bazzite. So between the two it is more likely to die out.

>>106888008
>clicks done by the 0.01% of Linux users that autistically hang out on distrowatch are representative of real world distro usage
Remember when MX Linux was at the top for years despite having less than 1% Linux market share? I do.

>>106884947
I'm switching to endeavour os

dunno why arch doesn't go x86_64-v2 already. it's a workstation distro really.

>>106883331
>>106893574
yeah i think bazzite will go a long way because it's literally just fedora kinoite delivered as a container with a few additional lines

>>106881907 (OP)
Still better than Slopdows 11
>Just want a distro that doesn't brick after making a command based tweak or after an update
>Enjoy the luxury of shitposting memes and watching YouTube without being flooded with Jeetvertisements
>Can readily fire up a game to escape clownworld temporarily
If it can do all that, then I'd be happy.

>>106892484
tbf their dotfiles were very nice. there's a certain appeal to a function ootb openbox desktop.

>>106888008
>>106893455
RebornOSbros..

I'm using vanilla Arch with the Cachy kernel, it's pretty motherfucking good ngl

>>106894018
i used to do this but pacman would complain a lot

>>106883579
LMDE 7 is out now. Year of the linux desktop officially 1000% here

>>106889796
So then how is the number accurate? How would they know the real number?

>>106883579
>will only happen with a beginner friendly distro
We already have this and it's called Aurora.
>thinking "beginner friendly" distros matter
It doesn't matter if Linux is the easiest OS to use in the world. What matters is selling devices with it. It just doesn't compete with Windows. Most OEM devices with Linux on it are 800 USD or more. Most people are buying laptops or PCs that are 300-700 USD and pretty much all of these have Windows pre-installed. The "year of the linux desktop" will only happen if some company bites the bullet and sells a $300-$500 device at a massive loss and completely outvalues Windows devices in the sub-$1k price range. That's what the Steam Deck did for handhelds.

>>106894214
>We already have this and it's called Aurora.
>just use a distro where you are giga bricked because nothing you find online works because you can not access the root partition
ok very nice very cool
very beginner friendly

>>106894308
Please tell me in which case a beginner will ever have to fuck around with the root partition, aside from the 1% tinker tranny scenarios where the user would end up on Arch anyway. I'll wait.

>>106894325
>something not available as flatpak
>just use 5 differently layered tools to install it instead, so easy and comfortable bro
>just use distrobox to basically install fedora inside your fedora bro

>>106894360
Are you the same guy who is constantly pretending that doing "sudo apt install PACKAGE" is completely different and more convoluted than "rpm-ostree install PACKAGE"?
And clearly the solution to your imaginary scenario is to get the application packaged as a flatpak (or appimage), rather than still cling to the clearly dysfunctional method of software installation that Linux has used for the past 3 decades.

>>106894378
One takes 2 seconds, one 10 minutes and is also heavily discouraged by the makers of all these fedora kionite/silverblue custom images

>>106894389
>one takes slightly slower than the other
So there's no real difference then? Okay, so fuck off.
>discouraged
Yeah, and so is using native packages compared to flatpaks nowadays yet nothing is stopping you from doing it.

>>106894407
Get comfyui running on an atomic distro with gpu acceleration on RDNA2.
It is impossible

The limitation are just too great. Retards cant even install games in their correct folder as you need to give flatpaks the specific permission. Which is far more complicated than just sudo pacman -S X lol, LMAO even

Then again with flatpaks you have the same app installed 4 times and 8 different versions of gnome or freedesktop. Its just a fucking clusterfuck

>>106894407
>>106894432
Just use Windows then kek
>it just werks

>>106884560
this is why I use debian. I am also eyeing gentoo and guix for the future.

>>106884560
>Noooo you have to do everything yourself instead of it already being ready out of the box!
Future's now, gramps.

>>106881907 (OP)
>Remember Manjaro
3 of my friends still use it, it was my first
>Remember Endeavour
I run it, another friend runs it, and a third ran it as his first
>Remember Garuda
tbf I never used it; I think Cachy does its goal but better
>Cachy
I like the idea I guess but I feel like the performance gain vs normal Arch or Endeavor probably doesn't justify the potential instability?

>>106894432
>AI
>beginner
You're now moving goal posts just because you realized how dumb your arguments are.
>dependencies
>clusterfuck
It's currently the best solution to dependency hell and software distribution, which was historically a major blocker for Linux adoption on end user devices. Traditional package managers are clearly shit. Saving a total of 10GB of storage space is irrelevant if it means getting obsolete versions of software from an unofficial and/or non-universal source.
Not to mention that most proprietary software bundles most required dependencies rather than using system ones. Your puritan world where only 1 version of a library is used by all software on the system is an unachievable fantasy. Software development just doesn't work the way you think it does.

>>106882141
Omarchy is not for noobs, it's for opinionated people who don't use or want more traditional UI and who like easy installs, believe it or not wanting easy install does not equal noob alone. Noobs use KDE, Cinnamon, or MAYBE XFCE if they're guided on configuring it because all of these DEs make an experience that 99% of people are familiar with and used to

>>106894524
It's for a very tiny niche of opinionated people. It comes with too much bloat for your average opinionated developer and it's too niche for your average developer or a company which sets up dev machines. It's pretty much a distro for absolutely nobody other than the guy who made it, a handful of people who have a similar workflow, and the couple of hundred people who are glazing it just because of Hyprland or because the guy is a somewhat popular developer.

>>106894043
If it complains about not being able to find a mirror just install and run cachyos-rate-mirrors Anon.
One of the default mirrors didn't work for me at least

>>106894470
I tried Gentoo years back, it was ok

If Flatpak is so good
why isnt everything on there and half the stuff is unofficial, which basically makes it AUR with a fancy website

>>106894624
>half the stuff is unofficial
it beats 99% of stuff being unofficial on your default arch, ubuntu, fedora and debian repos

>>106894680
cope

>>106894696
>c-cope

One thing is sure: all of these names are retarded and clearly made up by some neckbeard.
One of the most repulsive things about linux ecosystem are the annoying names
>nobara
>bazzite
>cachyos
>alma
>rocky
Software isn't alone either
>lutris
What the fuck is wrong with these people? Imagine having a rock band and deciding to name it as lame as possible.
Couple of normal sounding ones
>Mint
>Red Hat and Fedora
Even RH and Fedora are still slightly odd and have bad connotations..

Arch based shit gets so old after so long. Use something like Mint if you're a beginner, or NixOS if you're a poweruser.

>>106894624
>why isnt everything on there and half the stuff is unofficial, which basically makes it AUR with a fancy website
Because it's newer and not associated with any distro in particular. It's trying to become the universal solution.

>>106894942
>I hate arch because it's become mainstream

>>106881907 (OP)
Remember Gentoo?

>>106895205
These people don't want Linux to be mainstream at all.

>>106895293
That is a retarded way of thinking, holy hell
Thanks anon

>>106895412
>>106895293
Mark my words: if Linux goes mainstream, /g/ will switch to BSD as the "cool kid club"

>>106894835
You're right. All distro names suck ass. I just went through all the names in the top 100 distros on distrowatch and they're not really good. I had to add a couple of post-100 ones and I added in the operating systems people actually use

>Great tier
Android
iOS

>Acceptable tier
Bedrock
EasyOS
StartOS
Vanilla

>Mid tier
Aurora
Lite
MiniOS
Mint
Solaris
Windows

>Nerd tier
Arch
Archcraft
Artix
Bazzite
blendOS
Chimera
Commodore
Debian
deepin
DragonOS
Exton
Fedora
Garuda
macOS
Manjaro
MX Linux
NixOS
Nobara
OpenMandriva
openSUSE
PCLinuxOS
PikaOS
Puppy
Q4OS
Red Hat
Rocky
Slackware
Solus
SparkyLinux
Tiny Core
Ubuntu
Ultimate
Voic
Voyager
Zorin

>Shit tier
AlmaLinux
ALT
AnduinOS
antiX
BigLinux
Bluestar
CentOS
Devuan
elementary
EndeavourOS
FunOS
Gentoo
Kali
Kubuntu
Lubuntu
Parrot
Peppermint
Pop!_OS
Tails
TUXEDO
Xubuntu

How would you name your OS?

>>106895823
CunnyOS

>>106895911
Acceptable tier, but not great.

>>106893485
so what

>>106881928
this board is actually filled with 16 year old indians

>>106881934
what's wrong with ufw...?

>>106881907 (OP)
it puzzles me why people care about these arch or debian derivatives when you could just use the original. genuinely what is the usecase?

>>106896378
the whole point of cachy is that the packages are compiled for cpus with avx2
IDIOT

And? You think this is some gotcha?
Its nice, its work great ootb right now, it gives you the correct drivers right away if you're on nvidia and its arch.
Shit changes all the time if you aren't using debian, and it takes 10 minutes for me to swap distros.

The only way I could see this being a problem is you equate distro use to people's identities and that they'll be "owned" if the cachyos team makes a misstep or something in the future. Reality doesn't work like that, I'll simply move over to base arch or something else.

Put simply, you're a tribalistic retard, but 4chan overexposure will do that to ya.

>>106896842
where does it say that you need to have v3/v4 cpus as a requirement?
https://cachyos.org/about/

>>106896811
it puzzles me why people care about arch or debian when you could just use linux from scratch and compile software for yourself. genuinely what is the usecase?

>>106896906
https://wiki.cachyos.org/cachyos_basic/why_cachyos/
they just assume your computer is less than 14 years old

>>106896906
apparently they do have a non-v3 repo
didnt know that

>>106896947
so why do you speak about things you dont know? do you even have cachyos installed? i bet you dont

>>106881907 (OP)
>Why do you keep falling for these meme distros, /g/?
arch is le epic hacker distro so it arch based meme distros are very attractive to noobs

>>106896985
Looks like I'm the idiot.
>To deliver a performance-optimized distribution, CachyOS recompiles Arch Linux packages specifically for the x86-64-v3, x86-64-v4, and Zen4+ architectures.
They don't mention it. That means we can run Cachy on our FX-8350s

>>106897003
yeah you dont have cachyos installed and have never used it so stfu please

>>106897035
Ok

>>106897035
>linux kernel (performance edition)