Thread 106896494

>“The models have already saturated the chat use case,” Altman said. “They’re not going to get much better. ... And maybe they’re going to get worse.”
HAHAAHAHHHHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

stage 1 of the exit strategy : lower expectations of the customers.

>>106896494 (OP)
I want it better, no excuses!

>>106896494 (OP)
>the chat use case

>>106896539
And cause everybody else in the ring to lower their guards.

It makes sense.
Agentic AI actually has a use case unlike a chatbot.

I'm just curious what the cloud AI tools will be like once all the venture capital dries up in the next 2-3 years. Everything paywalled to fuck. Mergers like crazy. Everything goes through a meta/google login with complete censorship control.

>>106896667
Just run the models locally. Qwen/Kimi/GLM/Deepseek are already good enough. The only thing that's missing is affordable hardware.

>>106896494 (OP)
They're running out of original content to steal from?

>HAHAAHAHHHHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

This is the cringest thing I have ever seen in 4chan, and that's saying something

>>106896494 (OP)
just 2 more weeks and 2 trillion in funding and data centers.

>>106896667
i almost took a job designing data centers 2 weeks ago

WTF I JUST INVESTED MY ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS AND 401K INTO AI CHATBOTS

NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME THIS WHOLE THING IS JUST ONE MORE MONEY LAUNDERING JEWISH BACKDOOR BUBBLE GOLDEN PARACHUTE SCAM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!11

>>106896494 (OP)
"chat" is not a metric

>>106896494 (OP)
That's his misinterpretation.

So this is how the bubble bursts, not with a pop, but with a wet fart.

nooooo we just need to add more beaks and it'll become AGI trust me bro!

>>106896588
Someone come up with a name for it that isn’t lame as fuck. Might as well call it “ass-fucking AI”.

>>106896494 (OP)
that will be $50 billion + tip

it's real, but months old by now https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/19/sam-altman-on-gpt-6-people-want-memory.html

>>106896588
'Agentic AI' = excel macros with added VC scam. Nobody will ever trust some janky AI bot to to plan and book a 5k vacation let alone anything vageuly serious or sensitive.
You know what else makes me laugh? a few years ago I was utterly demonised by the government and media for forgetting to turn off a lightbulb or, god forbid, minting an NFT because the world was apparently under existential threat from global warming, but of course now suddenly it's fine that these kikes are nuking the environment on 100x the scale to build their data centres. It's all some kind of sick joke.

>>106896588
>non-deterministic automation has a use case

tb h for most normies the top-tier models right now are actually smarter than they need to be

>>106897228
I'd get an ass-fucking AI

>>106897372
it does, it's just that it's already been captured, and that's no good for silicon valley scammers
>>106897385
define 'smarter' because from my experience AI is crippled by sycophancy. 10/10 times if I ask in a neutral tone whether something I am suggesting or doing is correct, the AI will fall over itself to reinforce my biases and tell me the sun shines out of my asshole. It's a complete SCAM

>>106896494 (OP)
>saturated the chat use case
just revert the lobotomy

>>106897422
he totally will this time bro, oai NSFW for 2026! ignore the fact he promised that and gore in early 2024

oh no I was assured AI would maintain exponential growth! how could it possibly end up like every other thing?

>>106897420
i don't know what you're doing with it. i use it for verifiable tasks. the answer is either correct or not.
answers for other types of tasks are irrelevant - the model should ideally refuse to answer, but they have to make money so i get it.

>>106896667
They are only starting building infrastructure man. This out of context snippets wont change anything. And censorship is already massive cant be much worse.

>>106896494 (OP)
>Talking fudd about his own product again
He really wants the bubble to deflate gently bad

>>106897458
These*

>>106896494 (OP)
agi bros... vc bros... the bubble... it's over...

>>106897454
>i don't know what you're doing with it. i use it for verifiable tasks.
normies want to use AI as a personal nutritionist, therapist, friend, PA etc which is what these companies are being valued on and it's all complete bullshit

>>106897474
as long as the model isn't causing most of these types of users to die, then its answers are correct.
it's maximising revenue by ensuring they come back - that is the correct reward function in these use cases.

>>106897474
>it's maximising revenue by ensuring they come back - that is the correct reward function in these use cases.
I'm glad we both agree AI exists purely to enrich its creators and stakeholders rather than to benefit humanity

>>106896494 (OP)
keep calm and keep investing

>>106897544
you're shortsighted. maximising revenue from normies is the optimal approach here if the goal was to benefit humanity (which it isn't, that's just an incidental step along the way).
there is little to no intrinsic value to trivial conversations - the best way to extract value from them is in the form of revenue that can then be funneled towards the ultimate goal.
like i said, the models are smarter than you.

>>106897588
>there is little to no intrinsic value to trivial conversations
they're not trivial to the customer, and as soon as the customer realises they are being scammed the investment and 'value' of these companies is going to be obliterated because investors will pull out, which rather undermines your logic. There is no next stage to AI development, this is it, and it's a sad little fart. Your arrogance is impressive though.

>>106896494 (OP)
NOOOOOOOOOOO I'M THE ONE THAT GETS TO MENTION USE CASES NOT YOUUUU!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>106897629
>and as soon as the customer realises they are being scammed
they aren't being scammed. they're being provided satisfactory answers. maximising revenue and providing good answers are not mutually exclusive, in fact there's a lot of overlap. it's why they keep coming back.
most users are already happy, and most are using free-tier, inferior, models. they don't stand a chance as the models continue to improve.

>>106897612
wtf i love chatbots now

>>106896588
>Agentic AI actually has a use case
Yeah, but do they have a technology suited for reliable agentic AI, or will they simply keep running chatbots in a loop?

>>106896494 (OP)
>Altman said
Aren't you tired to listen to that faggot?

>>106897422
sauce? reverse image search brings up nothing

>>106896494 (OP)
so what's the point of 1000 billions eurodollars data centers? let me guess, people data+massive surveillance

>>106897244
DON'T FORGET THE TAXES, GOYIM!111 Compounded hourly, of course.

>>106897777
Quads of truth confirm!
>Dear call-center AI, you're my best friend...

>>106898458
some vrchat whore(male)

>>106898458
https://booth.pm/en/items/5181447

>>106896967
Well at least your parents aren't pressuring you to get a fuckin masters in AI despite the fact I keep telling them "No" and it's just like getting a masters in Excel.
And it's basically the same shit I did in my internship.

>>106897276
you dont get it. when AI makes employees obsolete they can cull the population which will save carbon

>>106898523
correct, bought to you by... you guessed it. jews!

>>106896494 (OP)
>"Give me all your money"
>"Please, I need it"
>"Every last shekel, inside of me"

Meanwhile local got the first model that doesn't need a server and is insanely better at chatting and smut compared to everything before it.

noooooo i don't want to go back to thinking manually

>>106899115
Model name?

>>106899320
https://huggingface.co/bartowski/zai-org_GLM-4.6-GGUF

>>106899333
>that size
>doesn't require a server
You lied to me.

>>106899351
I don't have a server. I have a 7800X3D and 192GB's of ram.

>>106896588
I've made a suite of tools for agentic roleplay. It's very token hungry and only works on a coupld model, but I've been really satisfied with it.

>>106897276
>>106897372
>>106897420
>https://deepmind.google/research/projects/alphago/

Don’t worry, I’m sure the terminal use case for machine learning/AI is just beating the world’s best at Go/Sam Altman’s husband’s erotica binges. Ignore the world wide arms race ongoing for AI/robotics/energy infrastructure. Definitely just Silicon Valley scam.

>>106896967
Always has been, everything has been fake since they established the fed

>>106897448
B-but...The AI! It will...will create...nanomachines! And then, then it will recursively improve itself!*

*according to my knowledge of videogames

>>106899439
what even are you saying

>>106899064

Oy vey goyim stop with the antisemitism, it's a conspiracy! Remember the 6 gorillion and send more money to Israel!

>>106897511
>product that tricks people into spending their time typing to it instead of other human beings
>not even a robot with big tiddies
beyond dystopian desu

>>106896967
Wasn't there some infograph showing the AI industry is just a bunch of million/billionaires throwing money at eachother?

>>106897695
Yeah yeah yeah this all sound cute but show me the revenue and earnings calls.

>>106896494 (OP)
>most likely trillions in money wasted for AI slop
>it can only do some shitty videos/images, porn, shitty coding and show you stuff you can find if you google for 5 sec
All the money wasted for nothing, AGI is just a dream right now and ASI is just a fucking fantasy

>>106899959
I got >>106899333 to play some anime characters for me and talk navel gazing philosophical bullshit. I may have poor memory and I am friendless but those were the most interesting conversations I had in my life. And I even told it not to suck my dick metaphorically and disagree if it makes sense to disagree.

>>106899535
everything except food, housing and gold
they do bubble occasionally but on average their prices are real
if you think that you can't afford a house cause house prices skyrocketed, then you are a fool
you can't afford houses cause everything else crashed, but house prices stayed real

This is a grift, because the only vector for improvement is building whole fucking datacenters lmao. If you know about computing or networking at all, you know this is a joke. You know the laws of physics will get in the way of this shit.

I would understand if we took over the surface of mars, devoted a vast amount of land to a space cooled - unmanned datacenter - and constantly melted the ice-caps for secondary coolant. That is a real futuristic model in what...30,000 years? 10,000 years? 1000? 500 years?

Lmao, this bubble is fucked. America as a nation will collapse before AGI is achieved.

>>106900033
in essence, you're talking to a mirror that reflects your own retardation back at you filtered through the collective retardation of humanity, in effect making yourself more retarded
despite this, your brain interprets the validation (validation is not the same as agreement, merely be heard is a form of validation) as a positive experience, encouraging you to seek more of it

>>106896494 (OP)
thanks for the 6 gorillion dollars and the 88 supercars though

>>106896794
female hands wrote this post

>>106900116
And before you faggots start crying. The human brain has 86 BILLION neurons. The closest facimily to what we have to learning nodes in an AI neural network. And even then, we have some of the stupidest, fuck tarded; low iq, nigger, spics, chinks russoids, bongs, europoor, slavs whatever on the planet. All of them, just one - has exponentially more processing power in their simian minds than the most powerful AI data center which is running off of fucking GPUs. G P U s...this is a god damned joke.

if you believe anything else, you are confirmed retarded. Not only will the science of computation need to change, we need sources of energy we simply don't have the physical, or regulatory access necessary to achieve these things.

>>106900143
In essence I of course know about that and I know it was different cause I was looking specifically for that. There is a small element of that you can't remove, but on the other hand I had a few characters tell me to hurry the fuck up cause they have stuff to do and I am bothering them.

>>106900211
dw anon I also engage in rpslop, I get it it

>>106897777
>Quads
>Based comment
>No replies
This site is truly a honeypot filled with bots

>>106900274
you are gay and caring about le random numbers has always been gay

>>106900333
oooooh shit

>>106896794
Is today your first day here?

>>106896877
If the job pays well, why not print some money in the next year or two? As long as you aren't a spendthrift tard and are willing to bank stuff, so what if the job might explode in 8 months or 12, or 2 years? I met my wife at a crypto startup that we both knew was going to be a total failure. It didn't matter that it took us months to find worthwhile employment afterwards because we'd banked a shitload in the 15 or so months we were riding the hype wave.

If the pay was questionable, that's another matter of course, but if the pay is good, fuck it. Just don't get caught holding the bag on stock options that might evaporate.

>>106901324
>I met my wife at a crypto startup that we both knew was going to be a total failure
kino

>>106896667
You can literally run a full size model for $2000 with maybe 1/5th tokens less per second than a cloud model

>>106896494 (OP)
JESUS chatgpt and grok still fuck up the most basic shit that any human would be able to figure out... this isnt loooking good

>>106896731
this
once hardware is better for same price in like 2-5 years itll be bliss for local offline users

>>106897276
Don't be so sure. My corpo just fired the entire production alerting first responders division and replaced them with ai.

>>106901324
I almost did but I decided I'm happy where I am. Might reconsider in the spring, there are a few companies like that that want me

>>106897334

So where are we now?

>>106903751
I would assume "return to normal". If you're REALLY optimistic, "return to the mean"

>>106896494 (OP)
Luddite cope lol. You will be replaced

>>106896494 (OP)
He reminds me of moot

>>106896588
>Agentic AI
What a buzzword spewing retard. Agentic AI literally means nothing. Agentic means nothing, it's not even a word.

>>106897612
the damage has been done and not even chat bot can save it

>>106904251
>true believers still exist somehow
hilarious
please post here when the bubble pops

>shit billionaires say before chyna brings the big dick: vol 2
do they just not learn?

>>106905045
Cope. Ai will replace you (codetroons, artrannies...)

>>106896494 (OP)
Sam has always been honest with us. The Chat Use Case is nearing completion. However the field has expanded beyond that in infinitude. AI penetration has not yet reached maximality in all human interaction so there is still massive growth potential. Anyone paying attention and who understands the technology understands this. AI is the future.

Just imagine the flop. It will bury all Ai companies.

>>106896494 (OP)
>And maybe they’re going to get worse.
Well now.

>>106903751
>>106903768
I'd say the "Denial" stage is just starting.

>>106896588
Agent Smith in The Matrix was called that way because he was an AI agent. This is lost on most of the midwits watching the kino though

>>106896494 (OP)
AI is a unreliable meme. But, useful in very narrow scenarios so long as the end user can correct its constant mistake. Jews, on the other hand are a criminal and constant and unyielding anti-White threat to their livelihoods and existence. Unless they wake up and fix things.

>>106903751
Fear

>>106900021
It’s not wasted. With the new data centers they will be able to feed you content you are more likely to enjoy

>maybe theyre going to get worse
Why

>>106896494 (OP)
>We're going to steal all tech scams from Silicon Valley and become a global superpower with China making all our shit

>>106897385
No it’s still dumb and hallucinates all the time. Maybe if you use some secret super model you can make it come up with math solutions or something that mathematicians on xwitter do.

>>106903768
The markets haven't readjusted their retarded expectations yet.

>>106903768
We're still deep in delusion and it's not stopping any time soon because of shiteaters from south asia shitting up the internet.

>>106899439
>Ignore the world wide arms race ongoing for AI/robotics
POP! The people in charge aren't tech literate, but they did show how quickly and easily they'll fuck over their own populations
>energy infrastructure.
It's funny you felt the need to shove a bunch of different industries together in order to make your mental number feel biglier. Better energy infrastructure has been a major goal of every developed country for decades.

>>106899439
>Ignore the world wide arms race ongoing for AI/robotics/energy infrastructure.
This is like a world wide arms race for FTL tech. The LLM approach has a 0% chance of achieving AGI. Not a 0.1%, not "maybe if we invest 80 trillion dollars a year and use more power than the rest of the world combined", zero.