Thread 107001455

>be Barnyard Stoutsoup
>create an OPTIONAL language that people can use IF they see fit
>get publicly scorched by the biggest names in the field
>linus shits on your life's work at every chance he gets
>ken thompson has 0 reservations about spitting on you in public
>alan kay denounces your efforts to bring his vision to life
>be the slightest bit rude about them once or twice
>get portrayed as the villain
This guy has every reason to become a supervillain. I'm not even a fan of OOP (or, by extent, C++) as I am a functional bro. But the way this guy is treated by this community will be looked back upon with great embarrassment.

>>107001455 (OP)
Shut up Bjarne. Nobody likes you.

>>107001455 (OP)
met him in spain and he is super polite

>>107001455 (OP)
except for linus, none of the boomers you mentioned are relevant or had any opinions that had been taken seriously in the last 2-4 decades. even linus, his takes on anything that is not within his range of expertise can be very much retarded.
bjarne's biggest haters are those who have been close to him for a long time, and have the misguided idea that the language is something that was ever genuinely valuable, and that it can be "saved". they hate him because they can clearly see that he only wants to cash bureaucracy checks for a little while more, and doesn't care to allow the language to evolve in any way that is actually useful, because these efforts would only (theoretically) bear fruit after he's gone.

>>107001455 (OP)

he wrote like seven books of language no one ever reads but his stuffs might work not many know for sure

Fucking hell that level of male pattern baldness is disgusting to look at he should wear a fedora or something jfc

emmmhhhh this guy is a transmisic harasser that finds no problem in harassing trans folkx at his conference. Fuck off. Maybe he could try being a decent human being for once

>>107001471
I like Bjarne Strtoupper.

>>107001455 (OP)
bjarn is an obnoxious narcissistic annoying faggot
he deserved that treatment

barn stroopsoup

>>107001818
Retarded take. Bjarne has been fighting kikes (((placed))) in the Committee by corpos, for decades now. My only disagreement with him is him strongly opposing GUI capabilities. Other than that, literally every single take he has concerning the language is spot-on.
>tl;dr
Remove the j*ws from oversight of Sepples, and it instantly improves upon the next release cycle.

>>107002339
>cashing ((("ISO"))) checks for decades
>sucking (((corpo))) cock for decades
>managing to stay a nocoding m$ wintard the whole time
>"he is totally against (((them))) OKAY"
>"just muh GUI smth smth"
lol
lmao even

>>107001818
>programming is outside linus' domain of expertise.

>>107002339
>sepples is basically wypypo vs joos dooooood

>>107002339
there is no substance in your reply, you might need to look inward my guy

>>107001455 (OP)
Every language is optional. Nobody's making you use them.

>>107001455 (OP)
>OPTIONAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPC3O1DVcg

His intention was always to overtake C and merge it into Sepples.

Thankfully, sane programers figured out what he was doing and resisted.

Yes, the following is satire, but it sounds more and more credible with every Sepples standard: https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all

>>107002551
yes, but why does the left shift operator do io, bjarne? what expert in the field needed that to happen?

>>107002596
>his language doesn't have operator overloading
my left shift operator is turing complete

>>107001455 (OP)
nobody shits on barnyard, but on the committee that ruined the language. barnyard made c++ to solve very specific set of problems that he needed in his lab and it worked for this purpose.

>>107002596
the way you configure iostreams is bonkers too

>>107002459
very much so.
do you think hardware and kernel engineers are programming language theory and evolution experts?
i bet that comeback sounded smart in your /g/eet head.

>>107002611
>his language has a distinction between operators and functions in the first place

>>107002870
I think they are very knowledgeable about programming, certainly much more so than "programming language theorists".

No idea what evolution has to do eith Sepples, but that's for your next reply to get a rush from dunking on your /g/eet boogeyman.

>>107001455 (OP)
You've forgotten:
>Rust made the decades worth of his effort irrelevant and deprecated in a mere span of few years

>>107002504
Actually, there's two solid decade's of following the doings of the Committee closely's "substance" in my reply. This dilating ignoramous' troonpost is in fact correct >>107002465 , and unironically.

Why do you think (((they))) are pushing a (((corporate-controlled))) language as the replacement for C & C++ and lining up their parade of LGBTBBQ++ behind it? Because (((they))) can't directly control an ISO standard is why. Simple as.

>>107003124
dumb retard

>>107003129
Cope seethe and dilate subhuman.

>>107003124
>>107003132

>>107001455 (OP)
https://medium.com/@ianjoyner/we-need-less-ego-in-programming-779f84b45b39
quote by Ken Thompson:
>"Stroustrup campaigned for years and years and years, way beyond any sort of technical contributions he made to the language, to get it adopted and used. And he sort of ran all the standards committees with a whip and a chair. And he said "no" to no one. He put every feature in that language that ever existed. It wasn't cleanly designed—it was just the union of everything that came along. And I think it suffered drastically from that. At some point, I said, no, no more. In an interview I said exactly that, that I didn't use it because it wouldn't stay still for two days in a row. When Stroustrup read the interview he came screaming into my room about how I was undermining him and what I said mattered and I said it was a bad language."

message to Bjarne as I am sure you started this thread:
Its not Ken's job to sell your language. Ken did not work for the AT&T marketing department, he was a Bell Labs engineer and is under no obligation to LIE about what tools he uses and prefers.

C++ rides on the coattails of Smalltalk and C, there is nothing original about this language. C needs to be replaced and when C dies C++ will die with it. OO has never been properly understood and the C++ version of OO has set programming back more than any other programming language as it is the most copied form of OO. So that is Bjarne's legacy, he got every popular language after C++ to copy the OO in C++.

>>107001455 (OP)
All of these guys are autists. Torvalds is probably the worst but he's high functioning one.
Any of their drama is just because one byte in some cpu register wasn't flipped the right way.
Eg. just get a life or medication.

>>107003114
You are the first person ITT to mention Rust.

>>107003124
Touch grass.

>>107003227
>Smalltalk
You meant Simula. Alan Kay is just as much of a fraud as Bjarne.

>>107003284
That is VERY TRUE, Alan was never good at giving credit to anyone for what he created. But the fact is that Smalltalk came first and had a huge affect on starting the OO hype/religion that took over programming in the 70s and 80s

>>107001455 (OP)
Dude SFINAE RAII constexper consteval 3/5/0 zero-cost private virtual noexcept throw ADL name mangling TMP reinterpret_cast erase/remove idiom brooooooooooooo

>>107003273
That's why I said "you've forgotten"

>>107003371
Do elaborate.

>>107003399
dumb retard

>>107003403
>mention completely unrelated language
>"elaborate"
>lol no u retard
Pottery.

>>107003417
>everyone who replies to me is the same person
>unable to comprehend basic english
dumb retard

>>107001455 (OP)
>bjarne strstr()

>>107003431
Touch grass, you need Jesus in your life.

>>107003399
>elaborate
>>107003417
>mention completely unrelated language
I explained why it is related to C++, learn to read.

>>107001865
That's not his scalp.

>>107003325
> SFINAE
God I hate this esoteric shit

>>107003284
Alan Kay's number one skill is promoting the myth of Alan Kay lol.

>>107003784
It's kind of silly that the language nerds sperg'd out over what is just a simple mechanism of choosing the best overload for a template -- and felt the need to give is some acronym over the process internals.

>>107003573
>I explained why it is related to C++, learn to read.
No you didn't.

>>107003784
filtered

>>107004331
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand that post.

>>107004331
dumb retard

>>107004657
>>107004672
Stop seething, Bjarne.

>>107004823
>everyone who replies to me is the same person
>unable to comprehend basic english
dumb retard

>>107004864
That's what Sepples does to the brain. I'm so sad.

>>107001455 (OP)
>Bjork Stormtrooper
literal AI slop name

>>107004884
Now that you mention it, C++ looks like a programming language designed by AI.

>>107001497
When I met him he looked me up and down with a look of disgust on his face.

>>107005153
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!@!!!!!!!!!11

This beef stout soup thing looks absolutely amazing OP thank you for making me google that

>>107003068
>a generic "very knowledgeable about programming"
>doesn't distinguish between language use, and language design/development
>doesn't recognize the breadth of the landscape of language use itself
fucking retards man.
the funniest part is that i wrote that last reply as a person from an engineering background, not the other way around.

>>107006815
>doesn't distinguish between language use, and language design/development
The people who use the language know more about programming than people sitting in an ivory tower designing languages. I don't see how this is a controversial statement, perhaps you felt personally offended because you belong to the latter group.

>>107001455 (OP)
He already is a supervillain.

>>107001868

Damn!!! even more reasons to like him

>>107007080
>people sitting in an ivory tower
not everyone working on language design/development is a nocoding retard like bjarne, you dumb retard. most of them are actually first party implementers of the languages they formalize.
bait or not, given that you would literally fail "logic 101" with your retarded false dichotomies, you clearly don't belong to any technical group, or anywhere near this subject.

>>107007080
>people sitting in an ivory tower
not everyone working on language design/development is a nocoding retard like bjarne, you dumb retard. most of them are actually first party implementers of the languages they formalize.
bait or not, given that you would literally fail "logic 101" with your retarded false dichotomies, you clearly don't belong to any technical group, or anywhere near this subject. i wouldn't embarrass you by asking you to post code, in any language.

>>107001455 (OP)
Almost all of the popular boomers except Dijkstra and the pure mathematicians should be treated with disdain. The languages and operating systems they created were/are cowboy coded abominations. Ken Thompson's code had an average of 1 security exploit for every 3 lines of code.

>>107001471
I do like him. But on the other hand, I do not use C++.

>>107007152
The people actually writing code know more about the actual challenges than the rest, period. Thetefore, it's worth listening what they have to say about languages. Whatever shitty qualifications you think count as "expertise" are irrelevant.

Considering the seethe, it's fair to assume this post is longer than the longest program you've ever written.

>>107001455 (OP)
1. Barnyard Stoutsoup only make the stupid ideas, all the code written by slaves
2. the ideas fundamentally stupid and in fact a MEME

I NEED IN C:
1. REMOVE RULE OF PRE DEFINATION, I LIKE TO DEFFINE DATATYPES LAST
2. AUTO CREATION *.h FILES FOR EVERY *.obj AND *.lib
3. NAMESPASES (JUST FOR FUN)
ALSO MULTIPLE VARIABLES RETURN FROM "GO" CAN BE NICE
I GET: C++

>>107007181
>normie talking points and bait
>zero specific technical knowledge over multiple comments
>compilers are not code

>>107007978
You have no argument.

>>107007694
take your fucking meds retard

>>107008525
>hey ma come see, i won ze argument

>>107007694
take your cake handsome man