Thread 107055845

Is macbook the only way to go in regards to laptops in music production? Was looking into buying PC but i hate the fact that I can't just chuck it into backpack if I move somewhere. I hate carrying a ton of stuff with me. I need to be able to pack up and leave quickly if something happens. Plus I like laptops more than computers. I've been using lenovo ideapad for a while now but it maxes out its cpu when doing more intensive DAW work. I dunno man... I am drawn to a macbook but the price is fucking with me.

>>107055845 (OP)
also I am gay and suck cocks if that matters.

>>107055845 (OP)
I hate people buying the cheapest laptop possible and then wondering why it isn't as fast as the latest 4343$ fagbook pro

>>107055845 (OP)
Works on my machine

You sound pretty low iq
Stick with an apple toy

>>107055845 (OP)
>I hate carrying a ton of stuff with me.
The you definitely don't want to get a macbook since you'll need to be carrying a whole bag of dongles and adapters

>>107055845 (OP)
>Is macbook the only way to go in regards to laptops in music production?
yes
not because the hardware is inherently better, but because a lot hardware/software for music production tends to be mac-first.

>>107059221
Not a thing anymore. They brought ports back some years ago, along with killing off the touchbar and butterfly keyboard.

Absolute same use case as you here.
Bit the bullet and got a new MBA m4 15 inch after hating my Huawei shitbook.
What can I say. It's good. In some areas, unbelievably good. But it's not perfect, so don't expect that. For example, the default scaling setting makes everything and especially text, blurry. Then the larger scaling setiting makes it crisp and the even larger one makes it VERY blurry. On Windows, scaling is a non-issue.
The latest Tahoe update is utter dogcrap. And you can't even easily go back to the previous OS version if you update.
There are a lot of small nitpicks and catches like that, and they may or may not build up to be a dealbreaker for you
But the basics are fantastic. It's so fast the OS hasn't stuttered or lagged a single time and I've been using it for months now, the battery life is while not as fantastic as everyone is memeing it to be, but still pretty good, the alluminum build is super sturdy. The screen is good, despite being glossy which makes 0 sense other than being flashy and stylish, the sound of the speakers is good.
Regarding production I use FL Studio and it's kinda more buggy than the Windows version? It works most of the time but Image-Line just needs a bit more to polish it up. Installing VSTs is generally easier. You sound like a poorfag (like a me) so be warned that there's probably 2/3 less pirated stuff available for Mac. I did research if what I need was available before getting a Mac, but one very important VST ended up being taken down just after I got the Mac, so I actually had to buy that VST, for the first time in my life. Thankfully, it wasn't very expensive.
And thanks for living in a shithole, this mac m4 15 inch 512/16 costed me 1600 dollarinos, more expensive than in the US, despite our average income being 10 times smaller than in the US.

Also, it's safe to say that Mac is good just by looking at how much knee-jerk seething it causes from the midwit /g/ neckbeard retards. /g/ hates everything that werks and promotes obscure non-working dogshit that only has obscurity and internet hip-points going for it.
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>>107059388
>You can't even easily go back to the previous OS version if you update
Hold the power button while booting to go to the boot menu. There will be an option there to go back to Sequoia.

>>107055845 (OP)
Yes. They care about audio in a way that other manufacturers don't. Which makes sense as they also make one of the best DAWs on the market.

>>107059510
>hey also make one of the best DAWs on the market.
*white noise blasts of death into your ears*

there is no equivalent to macs

macs have:
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replace
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen times
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcam
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flights
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware accelerators
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keys
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs

>keyboards with 63.5% failure rate
unheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"
just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any good
this list goes on forever
there's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter books
they are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones

>>107059802
what's a good windows laptop ?

>>107055845 (OP)
>I need to be able to pack up and leave quickly if something happens.
What kind of unstable situation are you living in?

>>107055845 (OP)
>but the price is fucking with me.
Try fixing your financial problem first.

>>107055845 (OP)
>Is macbook the only way to go in regards to laptops in music production?
fuck no.

>>107059510
>best daws on the market
same daws can run on windows and linux. i forget the name of the one exclusive to apple but nobody cares about that one anyway
>They care about audio in a way that other manufacturers don't.
>a high impedance headphone jack means they care
my fucking sides. good morning sir!

>>107055845 (OP)
>I am drawn to a macbook but the price is fucking with me.
you can do 12 installments 0% interest with an apple card. Shit is pretty cash.

>>107060376
I said that Apple cares about audio because (unlike any other laptop manufacturer) they also make a DAW, not whatever you understood.

>my fucking sides
cool, show me non-Apple laptops that support headphones up to 1kOhm. As a laptop manufacturer what are they supposed to show that they care? If they don't care then what does that make everyone else?

>>107055845 (OP)
>pack up and leave quickly if something happens
like what, your deal goes south?
>>107060401
if you cant afford it now you can't afford it anon, dont be retarded

>>107059286
>but because a lot hardware/software for music production tends to be mac-first.
Like what? Obviously there's Logic Pro and MainStage - but it isn't 1999 where you're buying a mac because they come with firewire. Plugins that exclusively ship as AU are very rare. Every big-name DAW supports Windows.

Off the top of my head, reasons to use MacOS over Windows are mostly about convenience. The Audio/MIDI Setup tool is fantastic for routing and aggregating devices. You can sidestep the whole shit-show that is ASIO, which, while better these days, remains a niggle. As someone else said, Macs support high-impedance headphones. The built-in speakers are better than anything I've heard in another laptop brand. It's also helpful that when you do have an issue, the forum threads you'll find will likely be relevant; rather than wading through forum threads started by Jimmy who is having similar-sounding but unrelated issues stemming from his Acer shitbook's preinstalled EZHiDefAudio® driver conflicting with ASIO4ALL.

Conversely, only having USB-C is a pain unless you're only going to connect devices made in the last few years. Or carry dongles. Upgrading the 512GB SSD to 2TB (so you can actually store all the plugins and sounds Logic Pro ships with) will cost you an obscene $600. Not all DAWs treat MacOS as a first-class citizen - Yamaha still ship shit that depends on Rosetta, Cubase only works via CoreAudio2ASIO, and some of their drivers require rebooting to bypass SIP on installation. And it doesn't help Apple clearly care less than they used to about polishing their OS updates.

Honestly, the main questions to ask yourself are "how much can you afford", "what software are you going to use", "what devices are you going to connect", and "are you going to do anything else".

>>107059802
What windows laptop would you recommend? I've looked at windows laptops first but supposedly they have high dpc latency that can supposedly be tuned but I read some posts where people can't do anything about it and just return it, even though the laptop has great cpu, gpu. Thats why I was looking at macbook. I am sick of stutters, crackles, cpu choking, latency.

>>107055845 (OP)
I just replaced my $3000 2019 MacBook, which I used mostly for music stuff with a 2015 $500 Acer and it's so much better I can't believe it. Fuck Apple

>>107062214
elaborate

>>107059454
>people hate it
>that means it's... LE GOOD, actually

>>107059286
>but because a lot hardware/software for music production tends to be mac-first.
down.jpeg
Are you that fucking retarded?

>>107059510
>one of the best DAWs on the market.
alternatives to OP's mac do exist

>>107059388
>Regarding production I use FL Studio
opinion discarded

>>107061603
Look up this table, pick a laptop with a DPC latency below 500
There are some Zenbooks in there also Thinkpads so have your pick

>>107063033
Forgot link
https://www.notebookcheck.net/DPC-Latency-Ranking-Which-laptops-and-Windows-tablets-offer-the-lowest-latency.504376.0.html?&sort=b_719_2176&sortType=1&model_class=0&month=36&archive=0&condensed=0&id=0&perfrating=0&or=0&condensed=0&showCount=0&showBars=1&showPercent=0&settings_class_array[]=1&settings_class_array[]=2&settings_class_array[]=3&settings_class_array[]=4&settings_class_array[]=6&settings_class_array[]=7&bench_719_2176=1&model=1&screen_resolution=1&screen_panel_type=1

>>107059454
depending in the person, that could be reliable

>>107063049
whoops, meant for >>107062778

>>107062978
Tryhard (You) haven't wrote a single track worth listening
(You) probably don't even know any musicians, because if you did, you would know that people who make good music and more importantly, have audience, don't care about fucking DAWs, retard

>>107059823
>>107061603

Any gaming laptop with over 1500 eurino price will be miles better and cheaper than mac. Just don't forget about external usb audio card and youretset for decade.

>>107062714
what do you mean?
The Acer doesn't pester me with OS updates all day. The Acer does what I want it to. The acer actually works. The acer doesn't have crazy audio crackling if the CPU hit 100% utilization before, something even new Apple silicon chips do. The Acer uses an OS that doesn't have a fucking Dock (the worst UI ever made)
In short: the Acer works. The Mac gets in my way all the time. Good riddence

>>107063441
>Any gaming laptop with over 1500 eurino price
lol
>external usb audio card
lmao

>>107059823
>windows
none, install Gentoo

>>107063040
Thanks for the link. I looked this up before and read that some guy bought the laptop from this list bust still had latency issue and said these are not really correct. Not trying to shit on you, just saying. Thats why I am having these doubts and am unsure of what to do.

>>107060451
>if you cant afford it now you can't afford it anon, dont be retarded
Or I could keep the money in my account and make installments.

>>107065001
Yes, because you still need ASIO for low latency. He probably didn't know

>>107055845 (OP)
It is. Sorry to break the news, because I hate these fucking things but I have to own one for my music. I might hate every single thing about Macbooks, they exist solely to make every single thing you do more cumbersome.

>>107065001
I don't know why you're looking at DPC latency, but if it's about audio there's nothing that can beat or match a Mac device.
Even the most high-end desktops shit themselves with low ASIO buffers on Windows. MacOS and even Linux handle audio MUCH better, although the latter is neigh paperweight when it comes to running plugins.

>>107065150
I have an audio interface already and asked chatgpt if dpc latency would still be an issue if I had an audio interface and it said that it would. Thats also why. I dunno man I am in such a dilemma.