Thread 107081323

Windows 10 still has 3 years of updates (regular version) and 7 years of updates (LTSC version).

>>107081323 (OP)
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This kind of user probs also thinks they need to buy a new computer for W11.

The regular version only gets updates if you log in with a Microsoft account. One of the key reasons not to use Win11.

>>107081359
who the fuck even uses regular version?

>>107081323 (OP)
>I just deactivated bitlocker on win10 ltsc
>I'm writing 10 iot ltsc on a drive rn (just in case)
>I will delete win10 in a couple mins to have more space for loonix
>Is my BIOS/UEFI M$ infested? Should I reset that as well?
>wish me luck
>see ya later

>>107081572
On this board?
Probably no one.
Everywhere else?
Almost every one that hasn't upgraded their personal machine yet.

>laptop has win 11
>literally just win 10 but with a shittier UI and certain features inexplicably removed
desktop is staying on win10 for the foreseeable future

>>107081323 (OP)
>normalfags
>knowing or caring about what an EOL is

>>107081359
>The regular version only gets updates if you log in with a Microsoft account.

Wrong.
https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol

>>107081323 (OP)
Can somebody explain to me what the widespread apprehension to upgrading to the latest versions of software is Without using pejorative laden language phrased as a screeching rant?

I'm not a Windows user, so please bear with me. But as far as I know, almost as soon as new stuff comes out, the community releases tweaking tools and GUI enhancements and privacy tools to make it look like the old version or not phone home or run faster or debloat it and tons of other customization options. So I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about.

>>107082596
>the community releases tweaking tools
the very fact that we need to do this is what makes it a pain in the ass. windows 11 offers no advantage over windows 10.
Also, some things are hard to fix. Windows 11's uis perform worse than 10.

>>107081323 (OP)
>windows 10 ltsc iot
>your version of windows has reached end of support
uhm.. ltscbros?

>>107083610
Hi, thanks for responding. Is it not a free upgrade? From what I understand, Windows 10 was a free upgrade.

>>107083626
Yes, it's a free downgrade.

Genuine question, if you are running W10 22H2, be it LTSC or w/e, what exactly is the point?
It's the same code as W11, it has the same identical services, it has the same pre-installed software, it even has CoPilot.
So what exactly do you gain from this? Given that in 1/2 years most mainstream software will stop suppring W10 and you will have to scavenge through 3rd parties etc to just get a browser.
And you cannot use the "I debloated it" - "I don't care" answers because you can just waste the same amount of time doing the exact same thing on W11, hell you can even get the square borders + W10 taskbar as it's still baked in W11.
So genuinely, what is the point? Is it so you can just say you're cool and different?
(no I don't use Windows and never will outside of a VM)

>>107083694
Mozilla still released Firefox 3 years after Windows 7's EOL, then there's r3dfox after Mozilla drops support.
>So genuinely, what is the point? Is it so you can just say you're cool and different?
I don't want a slower GUI, or the volume bar in the taskbar being combined with network and power crap.

>>107083694
your question has been answered thousands of times at this point, including in this very thread.
retard.

>>107081323 (OP)
I haven't installed a single update and everything still works exactly the same, so why do we need updates and why does "end of support" matter again when it changes literally nothing and everything functions exactly the same

>>107083771
I see, but good thing Windows 11 has the exact same W10 GUI including Taskbar with a toggle on WindHawk.
My guess is it's a valid thing to debloat/customize Windows 10 but you magically are not allowed to do it on Windows 11 because /g/ said so.

>>107083779
Why even bother replying if you're a mouth-breather and have nothing of value to write to the specific question.

>>107083819
>Why even bother
I could ask you the same thing you fucking troglodyte. Read the thread next time.

>>107083830
>read thread
>zero valid and factual reasons posted as to why use w10 past 21h2 over w11 as they're 1 to 1 identical
>just made up /g/-tier garbage reasons posted
Ok man.

>>107083885
anon, we've literally just received news of a terrible bug about win 11's task manager that creates more instances of it when you close it. Also, file explorer has measurably worse performance in 11 than 10.
Software quality has been on the decline in general and it's extremely apparent with windows 11.
Honest question, what's your angle here? It's hard to believe that you're arguing in good faith. Did you mistakenly upgrade to win 11 and are now trying to justify your mistake?

>>107083933
No, I just seek normal human responses form this shithole, I wrote in the first post that I only use Windows within a VM.
You're the first person that actually gave 2 valid points of why to still bother with W10, even though the TaskManager issue is already fixed.
And the File Explorer can literally be fixed with WindHawk, but again on this board debloating/fixing W10 is fine, but it magically cannot apply to W11 even though it's the same thing after debloating/fixing.
I just find it funny how much time and effort people are willing to spend on Windows, specifically diff versions when they're all the same garbage in the end.
But yes I do agree, it's going downhill, but it didn't start with W11, it started with W10 21H2 (cuz it's literally W11).
Also fun fact, Windows 10 had a memory leak in File Explorer, but let's pretend it doesn't matter but the TaskManager issue from Windows 11 matters, not like W10 was the main thing back then right.

>>107084073
>it started with W10 21H2 (cuz it's literally W11).
no it isn't you disingenuous brown retard

I thought the new hotness among the troll sweatshops was fooling idiots into installing 7. Now they're compromising with 10 since that is too much of an ask.
It's hilarious.

>>107084073
I don't know why my post got deleted.

Windows 10 may be bad and the trend was already visible then, but 11 is further along the curve. It's inaccurate to say that it's literally the same as 10, many of its uis have been rewritten in react.

>>107084117
They are, though, up until 22H2, all the shit you think W11 has is also inside of your W10.
Only difference is it's easier to remove Copilot from W10, as it's more "integrated" in W11.
Do you really think W10 wouldn't force a MS Account etc down your throat if it didn't stop being supported? It would be the exact same trash (because it already is).
But funnily enough some people sign in with a MS account on W10 to get ESU, hilarious ngl.

>>107084150
I agree about the react shit, even though I nuked half the shit and use a Start/Taskbar/Explorer replacement, it's pretty sad to see.
I guess I just cannot comprehend a mind of someone still forcing W10/11 on his PC as a main OS when there are decent alternatives, and you can just VM a Windows install anyways.

I have a legit 10 education version and it isn't getting updates

>>107084364
>I just cannot comprehend a mind of someone still forcing W10/11 on his PC
I was actually trying linux for the n-th time today. Even on linux mint, which is supposed to be the most normie friendly "just works" distro, the touchpad support is STILL terrible. I can't use it.

>>107084364
>all the shit you think W11 has is also inside of your W10.
except they aren't
>Only difference is it's easier to remove Copilot from W10
W10 doesn't have copilot though

>>107081323 (OP)
The sooner you get used to Linux the better off you'll be in the future. You know you're going to have to make the switch someday

>>107083819
>Windows 11 has the exact same W10 GUI including Taskbar with a toggle on WindHawk.
wrong on all counts

i dont understand why normies think w10 will "die" on some specific date. no official messaging from microsoft has said that the OS will be unusable, just that it wont get updates

>>107083624
werks on my machine, it's even giving me updoots that i dont want

>>107082596
historically, every windows OS has been dogshit for 5-10 years until it either got enough updates to be stable, or hardware and third-party tools just outpaced how awful the core OS is

it happened with 95/98/2000 (said to be crash happy eyesore garbage but is now better understood and the look is charmingly oldschool) XP (thought of as a virus collector that went too hard on bubbly design, now is le ebin zoomer retro sovl), Vista (thought to be ugly and high overhead then, is quaint and hardware is cheap now so it doesnt matter), 7 (vista but somehow even uglier, also got gud becuase of software compatibility and high overhead not mattering anymore) and 10 (basically same complaints as about 11 in that it had "cortana" "AI" and pushed having a MS account, but theyve since relented and cortana is ded)

give it 10 years and people will be talking about W11 like they do W10 itt. but right now it has all the usual microsoft new OS issues; it's slow, it's ugly, and there isn't much reason to upgrade when W10 finally just werks.

>>107084392
see >>107082548

>>107081612
And this nigga was never heard from again. By deactivating bitlocker and secure boot he literally bricked his drive.

>>107085433
>8.1 I am forgotten

>>107086921
no one used 8.1 and it was basically a prototype for W10 anyway. and fwiw 8.0 Developer Preview was superior in every way. the only people who say 8.1 was ohhhh so goooodddd are /v/ tier contrarians trying to knowledge drop

I remember when /g/ was saying they would NEVER upgrade from XP
Then 7
then 8.1
Now 10.

Theres 3 cycles to a windows update faggotry.
1- new update comes out, people claim its the worst ever and the n-1 version is the LAST version to ever not have spyware. They will never upgrade ever! The new version is shit though, since its buggy and written by pajeets.

2- A few years later the n-1 version enters EOL. By now, the new version has been patched a hundred thousand times and has generally wide adoption. But theres people whos computers are either too old or simply need the hacker street cred of being on the original version of windows. They will NEVER upgrade, and they WILL switch to linux.

3- This phase is much smaller, but it still always exists. By now the "last good windows" is n-2 or n-3. Everyone has moved on. They are starting phases 1 and 2 for a new new version of windows, but theres still some japanese holdouts. These people like to discuss their antique operating system and how its the only operating system true hackers use. Its the last windows you could truely customize. Its the last windows without spyware (though 3 years of running without patches has riddled the install with spyware), and most importantly, its the last version thats not bloated! During this phase a few autistic retards make enough threads to convince a dozen or so 13 year olds who lurk here that this version of windows really is the best and they install it. They pretty quickly move back to the latest version since its required for ray tracing in neopets or whatever.

After this the version truely dies.

>>107081323 (OP)
>ducking cope
Just install Linux Mint.

>>107087713
>By now the "last good windows" is n-2 or n-3.
>During this phase a few autistic retards make enough threads to convince a dozen or so 13 year olds who lurk here that this version of windows really is the best and they install it. They pretty quickly move back to the latest version since its required for ray tracing in neopets or whatever.
so the 8.1 retards that infest every thread

>>107087726
Yea in a year or two it will be the win 10 retards, and then 4-5 years after that the win 11 retards.
Win 11 will be the LAST windows without spyware one day. And the last non-bloat windows. And then so will windows 12. You can predict the movement of planets with how regular this behavior is.

>>107087738
already said it in >>107085433

fwiw i hated w10 when i first got it, and now i kinda like it and don't miss xp or 8. (i skipped vista and 7). people just dont like change

learn linux or be a cattle, the choice is yours.

>>107088049
>Learn Linux or switch to IoT LTSC or be cattle, the choice is yours.
Fixt yer typos, m8 :^)

>>107087738
And I can predict your gay reddit "lol they said they will never upgrade before" posts like clockwork.

For some of us the choice of an OS is just practical. So if W7 or W10 or W23 happens to be the best option at any point in time, that's what we're going to use. It's just an OS, it's a tool for running software.

Right now W10 is the best choice for like 90% of Windows users. Maybe in a few years things will be different. We'll talk about that when it happens.

>>107081359
>The regular version only gets updates if you log in with a Microsoft account
Only if you're an ignorant normalfag cuck
You don't need a Microsoft account for the 3 year commercial ESU that MAS can activate for free

>>107083624
This bug was fixed over 2 weeks ago
If you're still seeing it, you probably used ShutUp10++ or something similar. Here's how to fix this:
https://massgrave.dev/faq#why-is-the-windows-update-page-in-windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2021-showing-your-device-is-no-longer-receiving-security-updates

>>107081323 (OP)
I nuked windows from my old laptop and installed fedora kde plasma instead.
So far it's been a very pleasant experience.

>>107081338
I literally do if I wanted windows 11 and not have performance issues for bypassing the hardware restrictions

>>107087713
Based

>> few autistic retards make enough threads to convince a dozen or so 13 year olds who lurk here that this version of windows really is the best

KEK

Back in my days people screamed that windows98 GOAT and they never install windowsXP. Never ever. 23 years later nothing changed.

>>107089747
Thank you, that did the trick. But I'm unsure about enabling telemetry and data collection.

What's your guys's take on 0patch? https://0patch.com/ Is it good or not?

>>107090212
Pointless for most people.
If you use Windows 7 for sensitive data it's better to just not be connected to the internet.

>>107087713
Same thing happened for w98 too, was before /g/ though. People will get a new computer sooner or later and it doesn't support old windows so they use new windows.

>>107087738
You:re a useful idiot shill that lies, we know. Does Microsoft actually pay poos to shill Windows on here now? This board is dead

>>107091646
Anon called you out

>>107091973
Still on 7.

>>107081323 (OP)
Have you not read the news? Most people are starting to use Windows 7 instead.

>>107092022
the last windows without spyware

>>107092022
>Still on 7.
Based, i'm still using it.