Thread 107102893

Previous directive included small devices with internal battery such as mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, portable speakers, handheld video consoles, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, and earbuds.

From 2028, all external power supplies in the EU must use USB-C - with detachable cables and greater energy efficiency. This includes devices such as laptops, routers, monitors, TVs etc.

I myself welcome our USB-C overlords.

>>107102893 (OP)
Limiting TVs to USB-C Power means no HDR in Europe

someone think of the poor megacorporations

>>107102893 (OP)
That's great. It makes it way fucking easier to outfit a van/yacht/off grid system too.

>>107102906
As far as I know it will only apply to devices up to 240W. More power hungry devices will not be subject to this regulation in 2028. But maybe in the fututre, until the limit of USB-C PD is reached.

>>107102940
Did not think about this use-case but yeah.

>>107102893 (OP)
nice. because in my case
>buy 3 different routers last week
>they have 3 different barrel connectors

UGREEN already made a 500W GaN USB-C charging hub with 6 or 7 ports, by 2028 we'll probably be close to 1000W
Would be pretty nice running everything from one charger

>>107102893 (OP)
>jews force everyone to used their manufactured obsolescence product
Yippee, can't wait to have to buy a new 3000 dollar product in 2 months because the flimsy chinkshit kike connector broke again and I don't have a government mandated loicense to repair the device that I was only """renting"""" (read the fine print you stupid fucking goy lmaoo) for half my paycheck, thanks jews!!!!! Man do we need to start bombing some more government buildings or what???

>>107103304
what are you fucking doing with your fucking cable and connector that it constantly fails you retarded nigger

>>107103254
At that point it would be better to use direct combined schuko/C outlet, or even dedicated C outlet. Of course this is probably a good move only in new developments or remodels
500W charger must weigh a shit-ton and be large, so probably 2-3 smaller chargers with 2-3 ports each would be better

>>107103304
Calm down schizo.

>>107102906
>external power supplies
they can just make it non-external, isnt that more common anyway

>>107103483
I've seen it, it's the size of two 19V power bricks.
Not small but not big considering how much power it shits out.

>>107103304
Ive never had a type-C port fail and Im using an 8 year old cable, its fine

>>107103550
I have a failing USB C port. But I can tell you that its much much much more durable than micro USB shit that breaks all the time. USB C is 5-10X better than microUSB in terms of connector durability just from my own durability use with various USB C and micro USB Ive had in the past

Lightbulbs should use USB-C too, fight me

>>107103304
Have over 9000 different connector standards
>THE JEWS ARE RIPPING US OFF WITH THEIR 9000 CHARGERS, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BUY NEW ONES WHEN BUYING A NEW DEVICE, MAKING ALL THE OLD STUFF WE BOUGHT OBSOLETE!!!

Have one common standard connector that every manufacturer has to use
>THE JEWS ARE RIPPING US OFF WITH THEIR COMMUNIST ONE CONNECTOR TO BIND THEM ALL, FORCING US TO BUY A 3000 BUCKS CABLE EVERY WEEK!!!

You finally figured it out.

>>107103085
barrel connectors are very easy to convert to USB-C

>>107102893 (OP)
>TVs
>External power supply

>>107102893 (OP)
Serious question: Won't this kill any possibility of a better standard emerging?

>>107103656
WHAT FUCKING ((((BETTER)))) STANDARD DO YOU NEED FROM SENDING POWER FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER YOU RETARDED FUCK

>>107103656
yes. It's called regulatory capture.

>>107103654
I never had a TV with an external power supply, even the earliest of LCD models, which I owned, already had internal PSUs

>>107102893 (OP)
This is gonna be absolute ass

>>107103656
It is a concern. The thing is, this does not mandate that C is the ONLY power delivery port. It can exist alongside other ones, but this one has to be there without debate. You can still have magsafe, barrels, whatever else.

Whether this will make manufacturers omit other ports as unnecessary costs... maybe. But i think if a legitimate need arises that cannot be accomodated by improving the protocol within the same form factor the demand will prevail and this will be revised. But seeing how computing gravitates more towards better energy efficiency rather than brute power, how people are not buying into 4k that much, not to mention 8k, how data transfers are more and more wireless even for close proximities within households, I think C can be viable for decades still.

>>107103787
Also, on small hendheld devices which typically only have 1 port it can be bigger issue than on something big like a monitor.

>>107103656
Absolutely. There is essentially 0 chance of something better coming out now, companies won’t bother to spend money developing a better standard because they can’t sell it in a fuckhuge market.

>>107103656
As far as I can tell the law only mandates that the connector is USB-C. If so then everything else is fair game.
I know that Nintendo and to a lesser extent Samsung have their own proprietary protocols for their first-party chargers but they do support a watered down implementation of USB PD as well.

>>107103304
>/pol/schizo can't be trusted with anything and routinely breaks idiot-proof devices
Pottery.

>>107103656
such as? aplel bitched and moaned about stifling
>muh new and innovative ways to fuck over customers
but propose literally nothing of value

>>107103981
>and to a lesser extent Samsung have their own proprietary protocols for their first-party chargers but they do support a watered down implementation of USB PD as well.
Samsung in particular really isn't proprietary, they just use PPS which is not a feature that all PD chargers have.
The only thing weird Samsung does is they use high amps but low voltages.

>>107103654
Nothing wrong with that.
It would keep the panel cooler, as current would get transformed in the power brick

>>107103656
This harmonises connectors _for_the_time_being_. If a better connector emerges in the nest 10 years, they'll make another regulation to enforce that better connector as the required one. Just to make sure there's good reusability between devices and there's no waste and extra charges for multiple standards

>>107103656
Why? Look how the companies moved from micro USB to USB-C.
If everybody agrees to a new standard then there's nothing blocking it.

>>107103483
>>At that point it would be better to use direct combined schuko/C outlet, or even dedicated C outlet.
i don't want that shitty thing inside the wall where it can burn down everything when it fails like a pos it is

>>107104489
they can't move from C if C is mandated to be on every device by the law though

>>107104536
Directives can be amended.

>>107104536
Then the regulation would change and they would mandate the new great connector that is versatile enough to do a lot of things and makes it unnecessary to have multiple standards

>>107102893 (OP)
Good, I am sick of having a box of different power supplies that may or may not brick a given piece of hardware. At least USB has protection built into the standard if there is a mismatch.

>>107104536
well they can CHILDREN LOOK AWAY FOR A MOMENT implement a transition period

>>107104655
there are goofy PD chips that don't drop back to 5V on disconnect, so you can in fact fry shit with that

>>107103550
>Ive never had a type-C port fail
Neither have I.
At one point I THOUGH my phone's USB-C port was failing but it was just filled up with pocket lint.
Cleaned it out with a toothpick and it was good as new.

Maybe everybody complaining and "breaking" USB-C ports just have dirty pockets?

I like USBC but things shouldn't be mandated to use it unless they're retarded like apple. Sometimes you don't actually want to be trying to figure out if the cable you're using is rated for 240W

>>107103654
I find it annoying that TV's don't have external everything.
Ideally they would be super simple panels with just one HDMI in and a power line, or even better a combined HDMI+power cable.
All the electronics and inputs could then by placed in a separate box you can place in a cabinet.

I think Samsumg makes TV's like this and it;s a brilliant idea IMO.

Plugging a HDMI cable or USB stick into my 83" wall mounted LG OLED is an undertaking requiring two people and lots of feeling around bind in a narrow gap.
And the TV isn't flush with the wall because it needs room for the electronics (the more flush model was like $2000 extra KEK).
And then I have 4 thick cables (3X HDMI + power) dangling from my TV that are hard to hide in a cable gutter.

>>107103656
>Won't this kill any possibility of a better standard emerging?
No.
You have to remember the EU is a trade organization.
Facilitating trade is their entire reason for existing.

If companies come together and say they want to introduce a new standard they can easily get the EU to adopt it.
The EU does this all the time for all sorts of standards.
As long as it is a STANDARD and not, say, some Luxembourg company wanting a special snowflake Luxembourg thing that conflicts with everything else in the EU making it impossible to sell anything to Luxembourg or buy from Luxembourg.

>>107103787
>>107103981
>>107104477
the law never mentions mentions type-c specifically, it just enforces that the industry aligns on a common port, which right now happens to be type-c

>>107104922
We used to have something like this called an A/V receiver.
You used a single HDMI to the TV and the receiver handled all the inputs and can be made more accessible than the TV

AVE EVROPA

>>107102906
>his TV has an external psu

>>107104922
What a dystopian desire you have. Instead of buying one TV you can connect things to, you want TVs to have even fewer connections and for it to be mandatory to buy another device separately to handle everything if you own more than one device or want to ever use anything but the built-in speakers?

>>107103787
I hope apple puts an internal, unreachable USB-C port and then an external lightning port just to spite them and any other cunt that still shills for USB-C.

>>107104739
There even were micro USB devices with 19V chargers (Dell Venue 11 pro)

>>107105747
now that's just rude

The good thing is, the directive mandates REMOVABLE cables. Which is the part that is most prone to be damaged and the cheapest to replace.

>>107103304
Goddamn, but you're one fucking tarded boy. It's not even worth pointing out the logic flaws in this, they are so obvious to anyone with 65+ IQ.

>>107102893 (OP)
Problem is that USB-C cables are not certified for fuck all so 10 different cables could support 10 different things in 10 different devices (except for usb2 level charging, which they can all do - but not even usb2 data connection is guaranteed).

>>107103633
>Have one common standard connector that every manufacturer has to use

USB-C is anything but standardised.
Or rather, it's standardised to OPTIONALLY support a dozen different standards as well as completely custom negotiations (different voltages, etc).

I don't think it even has a minimum required support for any standard, other than maybe the ground and voltage pins. It's utter fucking garbage.

>>107106994
If everything supported everything, you'd complain how expensive everything is.

>>107106953
Normally a charger should have a chip that tries to negotiate a charging current and settles on whatever finds it's supported by the device, via the cable.

I have a GaN charger that supports between 18W and 65W and I once tried to charge my keyboard with it, using a 100W-rated USB-C cable. It failed, kept flashing a light.
Then I took some older phone charger that can do 5W (5V at 1A) and it worked.

Obviously if I tried to charge a laptop with a USB-C cable rated for only USB2.0 it couldn't do it. That's why you should get newer USB-C cables, that have a high current rating. You can even find some that have high wattage and data transfer rate, but they cost more and are very rigid and thick.

>>107107399
skill issue on the keyboard side

>>107107399
That was a keyboard side issue.
The manufacturer was too cheap to add a pair of 0.1 cent resistors
It's more common than you'd think but that wasn't exactly a standards failure

>>107107536
The battery is some weak sauce 1900mah rated at 3.7V. It can only charge slowly.

Picrel is the charging circuitry

>>107107753
>It can only charge slowly
Not up for the charger to decide, device only takes what it wants.
The problem is the device won't wake the charger properly for it to even give 5v

>>107103656
it doesnt define actually the standard, just that it needs to be standard
we changed from microusb to usbc without a need to change the law
china is already proposing what it seems an usbc on steroids

>>107102893 (OP)
>TVs
but... they all have internal power supplies anyway?

>>107103654
Every monitor since CRT that I can remember had an external power supply. I like having redundancy to be honest, it's probably 50/50 if it was your power supply or TV proper that actually stops working, I'd rather spend $30 on a new power supply than buy a whole new monitor/TV
bit like having your ram soldered to the board really

>>107104922
>I think Samsung makes TV's like this and it;s a brilliant idea IMO.
no, it's shit.
the one connect boxes were meant to be upgradable, but samsung fucked up and never 100% delivered on it, so gave it up after the first try or so.
apparently the cable between the one connect box and the tv was never in wall rated, so it became a potential insurance risk unless you kept the cable visible. the cable, and its connectors, also became a failure point.
some new samsung tvs have wireless connections between the box and the tv, just to make things harder, and means that you need two power cables to operate your tv.

>>107107011
Imagine, a Thunderbolt 5 daisychain'able port on my airpods.

Based EU should just mandate HDBT connection (or some variation of it) for ALL monitors/TVs/Projectors. Power and Cat5/6/whatever, done.

>>107102893 (OP)
>monitors, TVs etc.
Does the EU want more house fires or something?

>>107102893 (OP)
Too bad external DVD drives aren't included.
Fuck Asus, lying cunts.

>>107110003
USB-C can carry 240w
Any TV or Monitor that has an external power brick isn't using more than that.
USB-C isn't replacing IEC 60320 for devices that plug directly into mains power.

>>107102906
good

>>107103304
>flimsy chinkshit kike connector broke
Oh no, if only there's such thing as warranties and requirements companies to have spare parts available
>loicense to repair the device
Guess how i know you're an amerimmut

>>107103065
>As far as I know it will only apply to devices up to 240W.
Source?

>>107102893 (OP)
For power cables the change is negligible, but C is a dogshit connector, and I don't want to see any more of it replacing Type-A on mobos, cases, or laptops.

>>107110115
NTA, but the USB-C spec I'd imagine.
not even based EU is gonna mandate that USB-C must be used to power shit beyond spec (240W max)

>>107102906
Link 1 TV with an external power supply that has HDR, dumbass

>>107110131
I would be nice to have a source. EU isn't above telling laptop manufacturers to go fuck themselves to cap the wattage at 240W

>>107103656
Apple, Intel, and a bunch of other companies have engineers working on this port for years. Good luck making something better.

>>107110147
Have you tried looking?
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/NL/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32022L2380
>In dat opzicht heeft het USB Implementers Forum een bijgewerkte versie van de USB Power Delivery specification opgesteld, waardoor nu vermogens tot 240 watt kunnen worden ondersteund. Ook de USB-Type-C-specificatie is aangepast, waardoor de eisen voor connectoren en kabels zijn uitgebreid om tot 240 watt aan te kunnen.

internal PSUs
>often proprietary form factors, component failures often mean throwing device away, screechy internal fan
external power brick
>interchangable, just buy a new brick with same voltage and enough amps, solder the old plug on if you can't get a new one to fit, super cheap from mass production while still being standards compliant and reliable, fanless and silent

face it, external bricks are superior
>but it looks ugly
stop being a woman. You can also hide them under your desk or whatever and benefit from a smaller and quieter device. Get a GaN one if you want better portability.

>The maximum voltage for USB Power Delivery (USB PD) is 48 volts, which allows for power delivery up to 240 watts

our time is now 48vdc bros!

>>107110232
I think Dell manages to achieve 280W USB-C charger

>>107110232
Houses should have a low voltage ring you can plug all the Mickey Mouse voltlet appliances direct into. Like America has.

>>107110256
48 V DC @ 5.83 A
not bad

>>107110213
Power bricks have shit cooling and the plastic is welded together so it's impossible to open it without damaging it when you want to repair it.

>>107110256
>>107110291
thats not (strictly speaking) USB-C tho, even if its using a USB-C connector. Spec is 48v 5A (240W) max - Dell is using some proprietary fuckiness with the existing protocol to negotiate/deliver more power to Dell-specific devices, or more likely, prevent their laptops working properly with a non-Dell PSU. As said tho, even with the proposed EU Law, there would be nothing that prevents a manufacturer declaring their device 'needs' 240W+ and shipping with a proprietary PSU. Tho if thats also using a USB-C connector, that (ideally) shouldn't set fire to other devices.

>>107110337
They don't need any proprietary fuckiness.
They just advertise 48v at 5.83A.
>bbut it's more than the spec allows
It's approved by UL, that's all the matters. UL > USB-IF, especially when it comes to things like 'will it burn down your house'.

>>107110320
Keep it in a tub of water
>>107110438
Unilever?

>>107102893 (OP)
Regulation destroys innovation and competition. You faggots dont realize that I actually want apple to fail for their scummy practices and free up the labor for more consumer friendly companies. The EU should have strictly remained a free trade agreement, not the utter shit that it is now. Meanwhile the EZB is printing Euros devaluing my money. Fuck these control freak asshole authoritarian bastards

>>107110497
Underwriters Laboratory, they test things for insurance companies.
The UL logo you see on almost any household and office appliance means it was tested and approved by them.
If an electrical appliance burns your house down and it's not UL approved, guess what happens with your insurance...

>>107110337
I think even if a battery powered mobile device can take over 240W it still has to be able to CHARGE with a standard USB-C charger.

Don't think there is anything preventing manufacturers from using two charging ports (barrel/proprietary + USB-C) or have a modified USB-C port that works with both standard USB-C chargers and their own proprietary chargers.

The whole point is to not have to carry a bunch of non-standard chargers everywhere or buy extra non-standard chargers to keep in multiple locations.
Most people would be fine with having a 100W charger at the office and a 280W charger at home for gaming.

>>107110505
So why didn’t the free market come up with consumer friendly chargers?
Or alternatively how long would we have to wait until the free market would fix it?

Face it, standardisation is a good thing for solved problems (which small electronics chargers definitely are) companies themselves do it all the time internally across departments. This is exactly the same shit, just replace “company” with “the EU” and “department” with “company”

>>107110605
There is a huge difference between a voluntarily adopted standard and legislation that basically forces you at gunpoint to do thing X.

>Face it anon. Its a good thing to eat cockroaches. They are just more environmentally friendly and no alternatives or innovation is allowed.

>>107110618
If you're still needing to use such cables then you really need a new phone

>>107110628
>Yes, leave everything to corporations, their highest incentive is to make peoples lives easier, not saving 4 cents per device or lock you in their proprietary licensed cable solutions

I can shit on EU in lots of areas but in consumer rights area the regulations are mostly good for average Hans

>>107110628
What's the problem?
Police exists

>>107105743
>fines you for ten gorillion euros

>>107110618
I had one of these back in the day and I swear none of the fucking plugs worked

>>107110693
And then a new cable with 11 tails.

>>107103656
STOP NOTICING
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GULP DOWN EU CUM AND KISS THE TIP OF THE COCK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON /G/

>>107102893 (OP)
Good. The EU is based.

>>107111518
>t.seething applefag troon

>>107111008
Fair

>>107110605
>So why didn’t the free market come up with consumer friendly chargers?
It did, you fucking retard. You absolute HIV-infested negroid ape.
It was the free market the introduced Micro USB for virtually all fucking phones, not the EU. Then when a better technology, i.e. USB C, came around, they switched to that.
The only company that didn't use it was Apple, and they should have the right to do so. If you don't like it, don't buy an Apple phone. They should have the right to put whatever the fuck on their shitty phones they want. In fact, everyone should have the right to experiment and come up with new solutions.
Now it's impossible to switch from this because the EU made it le absolute standard forever.

>>107111607
Literally wrong dumbass. Micro USB for charging phones happened because of EU regulations.

>>107111711
There were literally no EU regulations for micro USB. They were thinking about it, but didn't end up going for it. The market solved it without laws.
The market solved USB-C too, but the EU wants to show its power.

I hate USB-C so much it's fucking unreal.

Give me braindead barrel jacks any day of the week. 2 points of failure instead of 20, guaranteed to never become e-waste, the standard will exist until the heat death of the universe and be trivially adapted to any new PSU technology.

I cannot comprehend the point of USB-C. It's worse for anything that isn't a shitty phone, and nothing is being done about companies putting in dogshit batteries that are built to fail and charging them wrong on purpose to make them fail faster. If you want portable devices to not be e-waste, force companies to use standardized battery sizes, and force those companies to support those battery sizes for a minimum amount of years, while also making it possible to replace them by taking out a few screws instead of ungluing the whole fucking device from the front.

>>107102893 (OP)
I'm not buying one new of everything just because of USB-Cancer
put me in prison, I don't care

>>107103483
nah, the jews will come after schuko and AC power next

>>107102893 (OP)
…TVs, clothes driers, stoves and ovens, electric water heaters, electric cars and trucks.

I’m pretty sure they’re retarded.

>>107106994
USB-Cancer only has one common thing: it has to be a (((smart))) cable so you can't possibly DIY an extension cable of whatever the fuck length you want.
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>107111785
None of those things have external power supplies, and most would be over 240W anyway. tldr, you drooling fucking nonsense.

>>107111818
Did you ever consider extending the PSU side that plugs into mains, or did that require too much planning?

>>107111732
of course there was, Radio Equipment Directive (RED) 2014/53/EU, what it mandated was a common charger, not a specific implementation.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2014/53/oj/eng
read the 12 point of the preamble, the article 3a, and article 47e, and this is only after a quick search of the charger and common keywords
and for the last time, there is not a lock in which is the actual common standard port

i guess we're on usb 4 now? or thunderbolt 4? thunderbolt is great. i still have a lot of devices that are usb a b and micro and mini and i have no problem using those.

>>107111838
You are arguing with an idiot anon. But you knew that already, I suppose.

>>107111732
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 - Strasbourg
kys

>>107102893 (OP)
Super. Hopefully this leaks over to the rest of the world. No more motherfucking unlabeled power bricks that only work with 1 thing. No more device becoming useless because the proprietary power brick for it broke. Just grab a USB C power brick and check that it has enough watts for the device you want to power.

>>107111860
i am not really arguing with him, i am providing facts and proofs to the lurkers to stop that bullshit propaganda
i worked in products legal stuff so shit like this takes me seconds to find

>>107110320
that just means that they have to be made efficient unlike internal PSUs that still routinely waste over 20% of their energy and require active cooling unless you pay out the ass for a 80+ platinum certified unit

Magsafe is a lot better than usb c but this garbage will make sure we will never get it

>>107111968
I genuinely don't think magsafe @ 48v 240W is feasible. You start getting into arcing, sparking and other Fun Stuff. But fwiw I'm not convinced mixing power with primarily non-powered use cables (USB, PoE, yadda) is generally a good idea either.

>>107111836
I went out of my way to avoid USB-Cancer devices.

So more power bricks on the floors. Thanks EU
And since it's 2028 we will actually see it

>>107111968
>Magsafe
Wireless charging is beyond fucking retarded, and anyone supporting it deserves a bullet through the fucking head.

>>107111747
>nothing is being done about companies putting in dogshit batteries
EU is literally proposing a legislation that would mandate USER replacable batteries without ungluing phones and other demands in favor of right to repair

>>107111769
Nobody is going to prison, nobody is forbidden to continue selling old power delivery solutions in other markets you retard. The only stipulation EU has that if you want to sell electronic device of certain categories in EU, they must have EU common power port, which happens to be USB-C

>>107111785
If you can get C-cable to power a dryer I would use it just to be amazed on the daily.

>>107112100
>EU is literally proposing a legislation that would mandate USER replacable batteries without ungluing phones and other demands in favor of right to repair
Literally worthless. Wow, they put in pull tabs that don't work and let you take the back off with a knife. Are they going to start selling the batteries? Are they going to start using standard sizes so there aren't 80 thousand competing standards?

The charger market was literally like 4 cables before the USB-C legislation, and yet nothing is really being done about the battery market. Why aren't phones warning you that anything above 500mA charging is killing your battery? Instead they're promoting "fast charging" front and center.

>>107112100
>nobody is forbidden to continue selling old power delivery solutions
yes they are, faggot

>>107112118
>Are they going to start using standard sizes so there aren't 80 thousand competing standards?
If they mandated standard sized batteries you would cry the same as if corpos make upgrades impossible. You just want to cry I guess.

>Why aren't phones warning you that anything above 500mA charging is killing your battery? Instead they're promoting "fast charging" front and center.
Not sure if this is universal, but on some of my devices I can set charging profiles (e.g. not exceeding 80% cap) to prolong battery life. But people just want fast charge because we lost the ability to be patient.

>4 cables
Sure, bud. Just my HP work laptop bundled with HP docking station had 2 different barrel adapters so keep dreaming. You know what solved this? A single USB-C cable from my monitor delivering power, video and my peripheries.

>>107112130
>nobody is forbidden to continue selling old power delivery solutions IN OTHER MARKETS
Either learn to read or stop conveniently leaving out stuff

If I live long enough, I will be telling kids shit like
>"In my times, power supply connectors rotated 360 degrees"

If they want to be green, mandate that all USB cables are built to last, with reinforced connectors and retard-proof.

>>107112182
do you think I'll be allowed to import a new device without USB-Cancer as an EW citizen? obviously not.
>conveniently leaving out stuff
a distinction without meaningful difference

>>107112204
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? Which port is currently better for the range of devices that the legislation covers?

>>107112342
>mandatory (((smart))) connectors for literally every device
>better
post your tilted ears, kike

>>107112203
What is with this obsession with USB-C not being durable? Do you retards have no motor skills or what the fuck are you doing with your devices?

My 4 year old work laptop has seen, on average, about 10 plugs/unplugs daily going to/from meetings, running around office, working from home. I even used it over weekends for personal stuff and guess what. Nothing broke. Same port, all the time. Works like day 1, I still have it. And when it breaks, guess what? I have another port to use if I dont feel like having it fixed, which is trivial.

Same story for my phones. From my experience it is much more durable than micro, which failed on me a few times and is reversible.

>>107112395
they're mandating that it transfers data? holy shit I believe everything now

>>107112411
see >>107111818

>>107112421
well yeah it has to negotiate the power delivery right? one connector for every device should be smart.

>>107112430
no it doesn't
proper USB doesn't
5 volts and max 2 amps

>>107112407
The connectors are fine, my problem is with the cables themselves. Every time I check my parent's devices, or have to ask for a cable at work, it's always like this (see picture). The only time this has happened to me was with a Micro-USB cable that was used for nearly 15 years on game controllers.

>or what the fuck are you doing with your devices?
Mom has an innate ability (and near nearsightedness) to destroy micro-USB ports by attempting to force the cable while in the wrong position, so I'm hoping that USB-C will improve things so that I don't have to get another phone repaired.

>And when it breaks, guess what? I have another port to use if I dont feel like having it fixed, which is trivial.
That's the thing I would be fine with, redundancy for charging ports.

The other problem I have is an old one: bundled cables that are too short, 2.0 speed or can't deliver enough power. So despite everything being the same connector, I end using my good quality cables, and filling a box of e-waste for the next trip to the recycling point.

Thank you barrel connector, how could I ever replace you!

>>107112042
I have no idea, but make it fucking work. I actually don't need it to do 240W, it's a laptop charger. It would be perfect for phones and laptops too.
I'm not saying to use the exact design Apple has, but this magnetic attachment method is extremely convenient and durable (unlike fucking USB-C).
>>107112082
>pretending to be retarded
Jesus fucking christ
I obviously meant the ACTUAL MAGSAFE, not nu-magsafe.