Thread 107103847

I fucking HATE the gatekeepers of the technology job openings in the American workforce right now. Been programming for TWO FUCKING DECADES, and now suddently nobody wants to hire me for any programming roles anymore. WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING FUCK???? Can someone please just round up all the HR folks, the senior level folks, and anyone else involved with the hiring decisions for these jobs and just teleport these idiots out to the middle of nowhere somewhere out in the universe far away? Perhaps it would re-open a world of work opportunities back for the rest of us who put our lives into learning this craft. We're quite capable of cheating and generating code using AI, training our own models, and even picking up syntax we've never encountered before and figuring it out in a matter of seconds and getting work requests done with a 5 minute learning curve at best. We are fucking well practiced and awesome at this shit. The only problem is these CUNTS who won't even give us a chance at an interview, let alone even sit down and do the job anymore!!! I swear to God, anyone out there looking for programming help and claiming they just "can't find the right people" is absolutely fucking FULL OF SHIT.

Found your own company or move to remote project management and only work 6 hours a week

>>107103858
Fuck that shit. I want my god damn job AS A PROGRAMMER back. This is fucking God damn bullshit. I shouldn't have to be forced into being a founder or a manager.

>>107103847 (OP)
Chill out grandpa the reason is biological, your brain is on a downward slope by age 35. You're slower, less capable of learning new things and memory is getting worse by the day. Its hard scientific fact

>>107103847 (OP)
if you can't vibe with the HR girl you're not a culture fit, chuddie

>>107103847 (OP)
it's not american issue only but worldwide.
IT now is fucken LARPers and with ai it's even worse. No one needs your hard skills and years of experience! They need friendly funny normies.
If you're 35-40+ they think you need to be CEO\CTO .. not a developer or en/g/ineer ... they see you as engiNIGGER and loser.
Fuck dat shit. You Know What I'm About.

>>107103847 (OP)
age?

>>107103847 (OP)
Every employer is looking for any reason not to hire. Too young, too old, too inexperienced, too overqualified, not diverse enough... the list goes on. You have to be some larger than life LARPing conman to even convince them you're worth an interview.
Fuck this fake ass economy.

>>107104327
I've been vibing with the HR girl, if you understand my meaning.

>>107103922
you do know you can work 6 hours a week as a project manager and still contribute to open source projects, right?

>>107104270
>>You're slower, less capable of learning new things and memory is getting worse by the day
da fuck r u talking about.
I'm 40yo and my brain clear as day. I'm preparing for CKA\CKS and AWS\Azure\GCP certifications. For old guys there is only way to prove your skill is to get right certification.

>>107104270
Everything you just said is a pile of bull shit. Cognitive decline with age is not universally paced with all human beings. I'll acknowledge some folks around my own age cecrtainly did get fucking retarded, but I'm not one of them. I take good care of myself and my brain kicks ass.

>>107104327
The HR girl backstabs everyone in the entire company sooner or later. Each eventually gets their turn. Youthful naivety trusts the HR girl as long as their paycheck is still coming in. Fortunately one day they age out the HR girl too eventually and she gets a taste of her own bullshit. Can't wait to see her pushing around a janitor's cart.

>>107103847 (OP)
we're a generation of chuds raised by old ladies. I am wondering if another old lady is really the answer we need.

>>107104416
Its easy to be friendly and funny when you're getting paid. Not so much when you just had your career yanked out from under you though.

>>107104427
I'm in my mid-to-late 40's. Been visiting 4chan occasionally since the early 2000's.

>>107104448
>Fuck this fake ass economy.
I definitely feel you on that shit. It is fake. That's who gets hired now. The best LIAR. Integrity ain't worth shit anymore.

>>107104454
You do know it costs money to live, right?

>>107104464
Don't let anyone convice you you're even OLD for that matter. WILLIE NELSON IS FUCKING OLD. You're still young as long as you're taking good care of your health.

>>107104566
>You do know it costs money to live, right?
You know managers are paid more than programmers, right? Not to mention you'd be working like 6h a week in the worst scenario. You could use the spare time to contribute to valuable open source projects. In fact that's what most people with decades of experience do.

>>107104650
I'm not cut out for managerial work. People would refuse to do what I tell them to. I'm better at being left alone to get work done uninterrupted in front of a computer AS A PROGRAMMER. Decades of using my own brian to solve complex problems has tempered me quite well for that work.

>>107104708
So just stop saying you have 20 years of experience, damn it. What's the difficulty? What's the length of experience that gets you hired the most? 10 years? Then just list your experiences from the last 10 years, what's the difficulty, for crying out loud?
I have 14 years of experience in the field and my CV only shows what I've worked on in the last 10 years. It's completely unnecessary to put on your resume that you witnessed the Y2K, it doesn't interest anyone. In fact, they might even see it as a negative point. They'll think you have a very outdated mentality, that you're difficult to deal with, etc. Nobody wants to deal with grumpy old people in the workplace.
Your problem is a non-problem. Just stop selling yourself like a 2 decades programmer.

>>107103858
>move to remote project management
How does one go about doing this? Isnt it really client facing with lots of meetings (even if its bs meetings)

>>107104747
>just stop saying you have 20 years of experience
Been there tried that, still can't get interviewed nor hired. All they need is my name and a quick background check to figure out my age.

My mentallity is not outdated. As for being difficult to deal with and/or grumpy, that is not the case when I'm doing my thing and earning what I'm worth. Frankly, I focus on what I'm doing and avoid human contact for the most part, so nobody gets bothered because I'm not "dealing with anyone" really; just the work in front of me.

>all these old farts ignoring the elephant in the room
you're not getting hired for one simple reason, your wage demands will be double that of a 21 year old who can do the exact same job. wake the fuck up or accept minimum wage.

>>107104801
>dude, just accept $Not A Living Wage/hr!

>>107104801
Shut the fuck up idiot. I have made no such high wage demands. Frankly we never even get to discuss that because I CANT EVEN GET INTERVIEWED. I'm perfectly happy making entry level wage; certainly would rather be doing that than scrubbing toilets. DUH

Programming is up or out. Tough luck oldfags.

>>107104801
This! With 20 years of experience and earning well, you should already be retired. For those with a lot of experience and who enjoy programming, there is always the possibility of doing something useful in the open-source world or creating software for themselves. I would also rule out a programmer with 20 years of experience. Like nigga you had two decades to enjoy yourself. Time to look for an adult position like leadership, management, or maybe retire, start participating in open-source projects, or whatever.
Just the way this animal >>107104798 talks already shows that he is not fit for the modern job market. Note that I am not getting into whether he is right or wrong, but that the type of professional he is showing here is precisely the type of professional that most companies will avoid, and the type of person who usually causes more headaches than delivers results.

Sorry OP, you're washed. Has-been. Past it. Fit for the the scrapheap. If you were a racehorse you'd taken out back.

>>107104849
When its your turn to be on the receiving end of this bullshit, nobody will sympathize.

>>107104566
>You do know it costs money to live, right?
what part of "working 1 hour out of 8 hours a day doing jack shit as a project manager because you have experience and knowhow while the other 7 you scratch your balls programming" don't you understand?

Thank God I was always too smart to work, make effort or do anything at all.

>>107104863
Wake up dumbfuck. 4chan is not, never was, and never will be, a place where people come to behave professionally. This is a site where you come to speak plainly without filtered professionalism.

I delivered results in my time. Still can. The only impedence to that is age-ist cunts.

>>107104942
You're so dumb you just didn't understand my point. The modern job market demands that you suck up to your manager, that you offer encouraging words to the juniors on your team, that you participate in 3000 meetings a day, that you turn on your webcam, that you say GOOD MORNING SAAR, that you smile, that you actively participate in conversations about the weather, etc. If you're not capable of emulating that personality, the programming market is no longer for you. That was precisely my point, you old, decrepit cunt. Are you so old that you can't even interpret a simple text anymore?
Honestly, I don't even know why I still waste my precious time with useless and ungrateful faggots like you. I hope you continue to be ignored by companies, start starving, and are forced to work at Wendy's in exchange for a plate of food and a glass of water.

At no point did I say that the current job market is good. I also prefer to stay in my own place, doing my tasks and delivering everything on time, but the boomer boss is more concerned with whether you turned on your webcam and said GOOD MORNING SAAR to the junior member of your team than with your productivity. Like nigga have you forgotten that 99% of companies in our field are literally fake? They deliver little to no real value, they only exist thanks to things like financial speculation. Your boss is more interested in you being a friendly person in the office than a hyper-autistic individual who delivers everything perfectly and flawlessly. What will guarantee the company's money are the VCs who will pour millions of dollars in after seeing (You) socializing with your colleagues. Wake the fuck up nigger!

>>107105034
>The modern job market demands that you suck up to your manager, that you offer encouraging words to the juniors on your team, that you participate in 3000 meetings a day, that you turn on your webcam, that you say GOOD MORNING SAAR, that you smile, that you actively participate in conversations about the weather, etc.

>>107105034
>you need to be a decent productive human being now instead of a little gollum hiding away in a corner cubicle next to the servers
Oh no, what a nightmare!

The hillarous thing is that people in their 20s and 30s are also rejected due to age, unless you are jewish and in your teens with your parents doing all your work and networking for you (and you giving up your boipussy to sam altman) you can't get hired.

>>107104828
They know you will demand a higher wage even without interviewing you. If you were not to demand a higher wage, that would only be for a reason that you're not actually that good. If you're not good after so many years of working, there's no reason to hire you anyway. They can hire mediocre people for less money and more potential.

>>107105587
>>you need to be a decent productive human being now instead of a little gollum hiding away in a corner cubicle next to the servers
That's not what they said, but we know you love fakeness.

>>107105702
You are what is wrong with America. FUCKING DUMB FUCK.

>>107105034
Your mother was an ungrateful faggot. And when we find you standing under a bridge begging for change one day, I won't be dropping a single penny into your paper cup.

>>107105646
>>people in their 20s and 30s are also rejected due to age

Didn't happen to me in my 20's and 30's, so I dunno what you're talking about.

>>107103858
>move to remote project management and only work 6 hours a week
He drank the grifter's kool aid. How sad

>>107104881
I'd wager your offspring are likely dumb as fuck by age 30. Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding, resulting in entire generations worth of defective DNA that is worthy of being putting out to pasture at a far ealier age.

>>107106216
>I won't be dropping a single penny into your paper cup
Don't project yourself onto me. The one complaining about not being able to find a job anymore because they're a useless +30 idiot here is you, not me. I'm very well employed and I've never even come close to having difficulty finding a job. Quite the opposite, almost every week I have 3 or 4 recruiters messaging me on my LinkedIn.
Your problem is that you don't know how to listen to people. I'm casting pearls before swine because I still have consideration for this place. It was here that I gained my interest in programming and I want, as much as possible, to contribute so that other anons can also find their place in the market. If you don't have the cognitive capacity to swallow my advice, I honestly recommend seppuku.
The world doesn't revolve around you, you have the mentality of a teenager, you think the whole world needs to adapt to your work style just because. First, overcome this protagonist syndrome of yours, maybe with time you'll be able to see why you're sidelined in the job market.
>>107105646
>unless you are jewish and in your teens
I'm white, straight, and Christian in fucking Europe, even with so many laws that give preference to minority groups. Even so, I managed to get a job because I'm not a lazy ass no-coder who spends the day complaining on /g/. The job market is full of useless people, trannies, pajeets, and turd worlders who haven't the slightest idea what they're doing. You just need to be slightly better than them, it's not very difficult. Just stop jerking off to AI hentai and study a little.

>>107106216
>You are what is wrong with America
I'm not even American, grampa.
I would rather be DOE

>>107106393
Shut the fuck up dipshit. I used to BE YOU. Had recruiters clawing after me, etc. And now here I am. Frankly you should be swallowing my advice, cuz its going to happen to you eventually. Nobody will give two shits how productive you are, how smart you are, nor how much you get done nor how likable you are. You're just going to have a big target for constructive discharge/dismissal on your back and they're going to do everything they can to stonewall you off from getting a damn thing done on the job until they either get you to quit in frustration or find an excuse to fire you. And that's when you'll realize why the older ones who end up lasting longer at the company longer also all coincidentally seem to have side hobbies shooting their collection of scoped sniper riffles and assault riffles on the weekend and they want everyone at work to know about it; its a deterrent to scare people off from even starting this pwrry bullshit with you. My advice: go ahead and start inveesting in making yourself look scary as fuck now so they think you might snap in a fit of rage when they start trying shit with you when you get older.

>>107106510
Nigga you literally sound like a teenager lol. I highly doubt you're over 18, let alone have 20 years of experience in the field. The other anon owned you and you basically cried walls of text about it, kek

>>107106510
But you have a million in your 401k right?

>>107104488
Lol you wish. HR is full of oldhags.

>>107106849
>>HR is full of oldhags.

Perhaps in the smaller orgs. The bigger corporations have younger HR bimbos who don't even understand half of the technical jargon the programmers talk about. Ridiculous how historically these nitwits were the ones put in charge of resume filtering duties before AI came along.

>>107106566
If I sound like a teenager that should boost my chances of getting hired. What I need is an avatar. An AI "fake identity" that is younger. Perhaps that'll solve the problem and I can get back to earning money again.

>>107106827
Definitely not. And nobody else who works in the tech sector does. College professors have that, but I have no ambitions to teach.

>>107105646
>t. NEET

Programmers job hop all the time in their 20s and 30s. If you have literally nothing on your CV then yeah you better be 16.

>>107104889
What's your point? Sports teams aren't hiring guys in the 40s. Some jobs are for the young.

When is it going to be my time /g/? I'm not young anymore and I've never had a job

>>107103847 (OP)
>we dont hire zoomers they dont have the experience
>we dont hire boomers theyre too old
This is the weirdest fucking recession. We all know its a recession, we all know its collapsing and yet it just keeps going downhill as everyone waits for that one last straw to break.

>>107105587
The gollum is more productive than the sycophant.

>>107107003
Sports teams turn athletically advantaged idiots into millionaires.

>>107107081
We're frogs in a pot of water that is slowly heating to a boil.

>>107103847 (OP)
what color is your skin? its all that matters

>>107107081
It's nepotism and hiring from within

>>107106956
I don't have any money but I've had solid project ideas. I'd be willing to give a percentage of the company owning the project to a solid worker like you. The problem is that no one can afford such a huge time investment without compensation. And even then the company may fail.

The economy sucks. The MBAs in charge have taken the AI bait hook, line, and sinker. Its just a matter of time before it all collapses.

The jobs are there but they would rather hire Pudu Patel because they believe he can do your job for a fraction of the price.

There's no more innovation. Everyone is broke. Software companies are a farce. Even the open source world is being threatened by troon politics. (Likely a set-up funded by someone who stands to profit off the death of FLOSS).

I don't know what to tell you. The Unemployment general thread seems to have decent advice

>>107104270
>Chill out grandpa
anon, you were just crying in another thread about nobody hiring juniors because AI

>>107110263
>>The Unemployment general thread seems to have decent advice

Thanks. I'll check it out.

>>107107380
>Sports teams turn athletically advantaged idiots into millionaires

What's your point? They hire the right people for the job. That means no grandpas. By 40 you're supposed to have money and connections, you've failed if you're still a code monkey.

>>107107380
And a 15 year old girl can make more money renting out whats between her legs than I can make in a single 8 hour work day.
But do you find that surprising as well?

>>107103858
this 100x
Just getting the PMP and Scrum Master (Agile foundation) cert was enough for me in order to larp myself into a Project Manager job/role
Dont care about being a codecel anymore

>>107112525
>By 40 you're supposed to have money and connections

Boy am I sick and tired of listening to other people tell me what I'm "supposed to be by age X". What the fuck ever happened to America being a place where we're SUPPOSED to be free to live how we want to live and be who we want to be in our lifetimes? I seem to remember being taught in school that America was a place where we had freedom of choice. Instead it seems more like we either conform and submit and do as others expect us to do as per the stereotypical expectation or else go live under a fucking bridge as a homeless person! Certainly doesn't seem like freedom to me. I liked being a code monkey, was very happy and content being a code monkey, and wanted to STAY a code monkey. That has now been taken from me, no thanks to dipshits like you re-iterating who I'm supposed to be such to the point that its practically become unwritten law. Its not right.

>>107112578
I have no idea who's paying for that shit. Certainly isn't me. Who the hell would want to sleep with someone with the maturity of a TikTok dance battle in a library? It makes no sense.

>>107112662
>Oh no the consequences of my own decisions!

I read this thread and I had to check I was still on /g/ because this thread feels like I am reading a /lgbt/ thread
Tech and zoomers have become super homosexual

Tech just went through another round of layoffs, a bunch of overqualified people are looking for jobs all at once, that’s all that really needs to be said

>>107112781
>Oh no the consequences of my own decisions!

Oh bull shit...these are the consequences of OTHER PEOPLE'S DECISIONS: The one's making the decisions on who to interview and who to hire. They're the ones who decided what logic to train resume-filtering AI with as well. These are a bunch of biased, discriminating, pre-judgemental other people who are too closed minded to give perfectly capable candidates a chance to sit in the chair and demonstrate the value they bring to the table in the first place. And they have a collection of valid enough sounding excuses to rampantly get away with all of it. Take your "consequences of my own decisions" bullshit and shove it. I aint buying into any of that crap.

>>107112877
>I can't find a job doing [thing]
>Have you tired looking for jobs that aren't [thing]?
>No, I don't want to
You put yourself in this position

>>107112662
>I liked being a code monkey, was very happy and content being a code monkey, and wanted to STAY a code monkey. That has now been taken from me
So were you FIRED, or did you QUIT?

>>107103847 (OP)
never put your age on your resume.

>>107112962
I quit my last job after the company came under new ownership. The team lead who hired me was soon replaced with someone who was over a decade younger. The new lead proceeded to just keep sending me instant messages asking questions about every bit-fidly thing under the sun such to the point that I couldn't focus on getting any actual work done, and then the dude turned around and started questioning why I couldn't seem to be getting any work done. Constructive discharge/dismissal tactics I'd seen before; this is the kind of shit they start doing to give you the hint that you're being handed your hat. Then the new owners wanted me to sign a bunch of new employment agreements that were far overreaching as compared to the ones I originally had signed with the company. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I refused to sign them, and I left after gracefully doing knowledge transfer for about a month so as not to burn a bridge and lose what good work referrences I still had from being an employee there. Couldn't find work after that.

>>107112992
I don't.

>>107112962
I never said I hadn't tried looking for other jobs outside of programming. I certainly did try. After months of not getting anywhere in the tech sector, I applied for jobs working at Walmart, a sacker and/or cashier and/or night stocker at various grocery stores, a coffee barista at Starbucks, cook and dishwashing posittions at fast food places, waiter and other related work at nice restaurants, day labor at washateria, landscaping crew member, etc. The list goes on and on. Not a single one would even contact me in for an interview. If I tried showing up in person instead of online, every place I went said I had to apply online. Felt like I was just sending applications straight into the trash can; nobody was interested. The only way I can now earn is if I deliver people and food and kill-off my car as I put more mileage on it. See, those are now the only hiring parties that are interested in hiring me; the ones that are in some way screwing me over because they know they're not only barely paying me anything at all, but they're also getting more out of me than just labor alone; they're practically getting a free car out of the deal without having to incur the expense of keeping it running until it dies. The jobs I don't apply to are ones that expose the worker to hazardous chemicals that will almost certainly have long term health impacts, or else work where there's high chance of sustaining a lifelong crippling injury or getting killed on the job (which are very low wage too) . As a rideshare driver, I've even had passengers with felony criminal records working safer jobs who got hired successfully and are earning more money than I do. This is fucking nuts. I'm qualified, able bodied, strongh & healthy both physically and mentally, and cognitively sound and able to do all sorts of work, but nobody gives a shit. All they see is age.

>>107103858
If you found your own company you do 14h a day paperwork, taxes, acquiring customers, manage your employees and projects, sit in meetings... and never write a single line of code again.
A few years later, if you survive that long, you are a business management expert while having completely lost the track of programming because the world moved on.
In the worst case you go bankrupt, lost track with programming and have nothing.

>>107113577
Yes I know all about the lifecycle you're describing. I had an uncle who, after decades of programming, got into management, eventually never actually worked with source code again as his duties changed and newer languages came into the picture, etc. He didn't found his own company, but did remain an employee of larger organizations. He commuted an hour-into and an hour-out of the city each day, did a lot of sitting on the job, didn't take great care of his own physical fitness nor eat healthy, but kept earning good money and raised a family and invested wisely, etc. Eventually he got cancer and passed away in his mid-to-late 60's, only a few years after retiring, but his family survives and is doing well all these years later.

I don't want to age like that. I'd prefer to keep working from home as a code monkey with no having to lose 2 hours a day to commuting. I'd prefer to use that time to exercise daily, make my own home-made super-healthy meals, and pretty much be an "anti-ager". Part of that lifestyle choice includes exercising my cognitive abilities regularly; I want to keep solving complex problems, use reasoning skills, etc, just as though the job itself was similar to using sites such as "Luminocity", "BrainHQ", "NeuroTracker", etc. Yes, I'm aware that AI can solve complex problems faster than people can. But from what I've seen so far, most people I've encountered don't seem to know and understand HOW to use AI to get that sort work done faster in the first place. I certainly get it, for I've been dabbling with AI for a few years now, but can't get hired to demonstrate that I know what I'm doing with it in the first place no thanks to age-ism.

>>107103847 (OP)
I will be straight, zoomers are cancer, some of the most entitled retards ever to work if you can call what they do work. They act like egotistical pricks who thinks the world revolves them rather than an individual working in a cooperative with other individuals who also have their own needs, wants and desires. They both need constant handholding and tardwrangling while also being complete drama queens about pay, time off and working hours -- again without giving a shit about their colleagues.

>>107103847 (OP)
Time for mc donaldildo wagie

>>107114009
Been there seen that. Heard the rumors but didn't believe it until I found myself surrounded by it. Totally true. Lesson learned. Don't wanna have to work with zoomers again in the near future. They need more time to grow up; clearly they spent way too much time playing video games during their upbringing.

Most people aren't willing to take a chance with you because they're loosers, just brush it off and look for a different job. One that you don't want to do, might be the route to go, every every now and again you come across a job that's banging.\nAnd so don't let it go