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DRAM prices exploding...
Anonymous No.107113601 [Report] >>107113629 >>107113634 >>107113640 >>107114257 >>107115254 >>107115510 >>107118010 >>107118130 >>107118439 >>107126685
>>107113586 (OP)
Is this tariffs or Ai dickweeds? Who needs to be judo tossed into traffic to make this better?
Anonymous No.107113626 [Report]
>DDR4 now more than DDR5
Kek, early adopters win again
Anonymous No.107113629 [Report] >>107125541 >>107127096
>>107113601
As always companies take a 10% expense and turns it into a permanent 50% price increase. Unfortunately for them this is what literally everyone is doing so there's mass consumer burnout across the board. It turns out computer components, like many other things, are discretionary and the brainless sheep with credit cards are maxed out.
Anonymous No.107113634 [Report] >>107113703
>>107113601
Definitely the AI dickweeds. They've committed to buying like 60% of the world's manufacturing capacity for the next 3-5 years.
Anonymous No.107113637 [Report] >>107113645 >>107113650 >>107121434
>>107113586 (OP)
You voted for this.
Anonymous No.107113640 [Report] >>107119661 >>107121425
>>107113601
i don't know, but i'm going to blame the Js, just in case
Anonymous No.107113645 [Report] >>107113655 >>107113660
>>107113637
I would take everything being more expensive if it meant clean streets and no vandalism.
Anonymous No.107113650 [Report]
>>107113637
i live in a dictatorship though, don't blame me
Anonymous No.107113655 [Report] >>107113661
>>107113645
If those are the only problems in your life then you havent got any problems
Anonymous No.107113660 [Report]
>>107113645
Unfortunately, the uniparty wants both the high prices and the unsafe streets.
Anonymous No.107113661 [Report]
>>107113655
Obviously those aren't the only problems because those same people break into homes, sell drugs, drive like shitheads on the road and build shitty houses.
Anonymous No.107113703 [Report] >>107113713 >>107113730 >>107113749
>>107113634
It's been 3 years since LLMs were introduced to the general public.
Anonymous No.107113713 [Report]
>>107113703
maybe some mineral is missing?
Anonymous No.107113730 [Report]
>>107113703
And..? A 100-acre data center packed to the gills with Blackwell GPUs is still needed to do the heavy lifting. And they can't do much without RAM in the servers.
Anonymous No.107113749 [Report] >>107114040 >>107123983
>>107113703
But only recently people have figured out you efficiently load 100B+ models in RAM which makes 128 GB fast RAM kits quite valuable. And you have to understand that supply is relatively limited so even a boost of 20% in demand makes things sell out.
Anonymous No.107113758 [Report] >>107113809 >>107114098 >>107114684
download moar RAM
Anonymous No.107113769 [Report] >>107115923
>>107113586 (OP)
DDR4 too? weird. I got a used 16GB DDR4 stick for $49 two weeks ago. now I know why it felt so expensive back then.
Anonymous No.107113787 [Report] >>107113801 >>107113841 >>107113900 >>107126469 >>107131181
Its only going to go up

"Nvidia purchased last week the entire supply of SK Hynix in DRAM, VRAM, HBM, and NAND flash for through the end of 2026. Every single wafer of capacity they had left. That's on top of whatever agreements they already have in place with Micron and Samsung."
Anonymous No.107113801 [Report] >>107113817
>>107113787
>Samsung
i hate koreans so much it's unreal
Anonymous No.107113809 [Report]
>>107113758
>Vaginus Troon Tips
Anonymous No.107113817 [Report] >>107113829
>>107113801
but South Korea Telecom - Hyundai joint venture doesn't trigger that reaction, only Samsung?
Anonymous No.107113829 [Report]
>>107113817
Hyundai is ok
Anonymous No.107113841 [Report] >>107117571
>>107113787
When are the Chinese bringing their ram chips? They're the only ones that can save us at this point.
Anonymous No.107113900 [Report] >>107113931 >>107113934 >>107115187
>>107113787
How is this even allowed and any different from a cartel buying operation where someone buys an entire supply of potatoes?
Anonymous No.107113931 [Report] >>107113950
>>107113900
? because no one needs it? And they are not buying it to fuck people over, they are buying it to mass produce the next gen server gpus, same as everyone else, no one is producing for the consumer memory market atm, server stuff is too profitable due to ai
Anonymous No.107113934 [Report]
>>107113900
corruption
Anonymous No.107113950 [Report] >>107113965
>>107113931
>no one needs a vital computer component
Anonymous No.107113965 [Report] >>107113983
>>107113950
exactly, its not food / medical products, no laws say you cant go and buy all of them
Anonymous No.107113983 [Report]
>>107113965
I seriously doubt that boomer
Anonymous No.107114040 [Report] >>107114045 >>107114081 >>107123983
>>107113749
>But only recently people have figured out you efficiently load 100B+ models in RAM
I don't see the sense in RAM if not for CPU models. What do I fail to see?
Anonymous No.107114045 [Report]
>>107114040
moes, glm air is the best local model if you cant run big glm / kimi
Anonymous No.107114066 [Report] >>107114861 >>107115270 >>107124226 >>107125570
>>107113586 (OP)
This was 250 dollars when I bought it. Holy hell
Anonymous No.107114081 [Report] >>107120762
>>107114040
You can RAM swap to VRAM at decent tokens per second. https://github.com/lodestone-rock/RamTorch is also a decent breakthrough, trade speed but you can finetune large models with RAM swapping too.
Anonymous No.107114098 [Report]
>>107113758
It has been proved that this is possible. Set up a swap partition in the cloud.
Anonymous No.107114122 [Report] >>107114147
reminder that these companies are all USG fronts and the purpose of the AI systems is to trawl through all the data the NSA has been gathering
Anonymous No.107114147 [Report]
>>107114122
You retards can't even comprehend how impossible that task is or how long it would take even if you somehow could magically transport that astronomical amount of data without corruption.
Anonymous No.107114257 [Report]
>>107113601
it's both.
Anonymous No.107114376 [Report]
The horror... you might have to close some tabs...
Anonymous No.107114521 [Report]
ainiggers ruin everything
Anonymous No.107114549 [Report] >>107114588 >>107114600 >>107120962
>>107113586 (OP)
my computer is shit anyway so prices for slow ass ddr4 are fine
Anonymous No.107114588 [Report] >>107115605
>>107114549
lol that is laptop memory
Anonymous No.107114600 [Report]
>>107114549
that ram was $15 3 months ago
Anonymous No.107114684 [Report]
>>107113758
Anonymous No.107114737 [Report] >>107115597
Has nothing to do with AI, simply price gouging on an item no longer produced.
Anonymous No.107114845 [Report] >>107120821 >>107121529
The question now is buy now before prices spiral further or wait a couple weeks for black friday? Black friday deals in a few weeks might not even put prices below what they are now, but this could also be a panic squeeze before the holidays.
Anonymous No.107114861 [Report] >>107117379
>>107114066
Hi, Adrian
Anonymous No.107114866 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
Thankfully local used DDR4 RAM listings haven't gotten too bad, but holy fuck is Ebay terrible. I knew I should've gotten some extra RAM a month ago.
Anonymous No.107114967 [Report] >>107118574
>>107113586 (OP)
>upgrade my poorfag shitbox to 72GB of RAM and a 5800XT back in September
>spent about 40 bucks for a 32GB stick of DDR4
>check price of said stick of DDR4 now
>358 dollarydoos
holy fuck
Anonymous No.107114995 [Report] >>107115014
bought some just before the increase for my server build, but none for the desktop i wanted to build
when is this shit coming back down? or are they just going to pull the same shit as with gpus
Anonymous No.107115014 [Report] >>107115099
>>107114995
China firmly stated that all AI chips going forward must be made in-house which means they're all gonna be sucking up any memory they can produce.
So potentially it will never go down
Anonymous No.107115099 [Report] >>107115115
>>107115014
Ram is mostly produced in Korea.
Anonymous No.107115106 [Report] >>107115566
i just wanted to upgrade too
Anonymous No.107115115 [Report] >>107115136
>>107115099
With material and components from china; they don't have any rare earth in large enough quanities.
Anonymous No.107115136 [Report] >>107115819
>>107115115
Didn't think of that. They also need to put the black rectangles on green plates somewhere and that may well happen in China.
Anonymous No.107115187 [Report]
>>107113900
Cartels-behavior is to buy up stock only to restrict competition from buying it. Nvidia's own backlog of AI cards is months long and growing. It's a legitimate need.
Anonymous No.107115254 [Report] >>107115287
>>107113601
Ai its exploding in Europe as well.
Anonymous No.107115270 [Report] >>107115383
>>107114066
>Corsair VENGEANCE LPX 2x16 kit
>bought at $64.99 in 2023
>now $119.99
>G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 2x32 kit
>bought at $139.99 this march
>now $359.99
What an absolute cockmongler joke this shit is.
Anonymous No.107115287 [Report]
>>107115254
Just another industry for them to lose at.
Anonymous No.107115383 [Report]
>>107115270
kek, i bought 96 gigs of sodimm ddr5 a couple of months ago for 170 euro, it's 470 now
Anonymous No.107115394 [Report] >>107115536 >>107118459
Okay newfags, welcome to PC building but for the last 15 years ram prices have been going up and down, a price doubling isn't unusual, it will go down in a year. SSDs are the same and HDDs to a lesser extent. It's for all purposes random, but usually it's a problem in the 2 companies that actually make all these chips.
Anonymous No.107115497 [Report] >>107115553
>mfw have 128GB RAM
that's it, bros, time to retire. I hope you didn't miss on the generational RAM dip, lmao.
Anonymous No.107115510 [Report] >>107115658
>>107113601
Sam Altman already bought like half of the entire RAM supply for the next decade or something.
Anonymous No.107115536 [Report] >>107121474 >>107131822
>>107115394
You're fucking retarded
These prices have literally never been this high.
Anonymous No.107115538 [Report]
Sam Kikeman needs to go, man, I'm so done with this shit.
Anonymous No.107115553 [Report] >>107115659
>>107115497
Here's the next dip. Buy SSDs
Anonymous No.107115566 [Report]
>>107115106
It is probably only going to get worse, I would just buy it now before it goes up even more. I remember quite a few years ago when SSDs went parabolic it didn't come back down for like 4 or 5 fucking years.
Anonymous No.107115585 [Report] >>107115697
with those prices, soon we vill need to rent PCs and be happy.
Anonymous No.107115597 [Report]
>>107114737
>item no longer produced.
>ddr5
I see
Anonymous No.107115605 [Report]
>>107114588
I bought this kit for $130 6 months ago.
Anonymous No.107115658 [Report]
>>107115510
i had this thought like a year ago that there's just too much money being bound up in assets, and if that money ever turns liquid, it will cause the prices of certain things to skyrocket whenever a billionaire decides to buy the entire supply of it on a whim. kind of like laser-accurate hyperinflation nuke. the example i thought of was musk buying up all the CPUs for some weird crypto thing, but it turns out to have been altman with RAM
Anonymous No.107115659 [Report]
>>107115553
good thinking anon. I may sell 64GB $RAM and diversify my portfolio with some $SSD.
Anonymous No.107115697 [Report] >>107115852
>>107115585
this hits different now
Anonymous No.107115795 [Report]
>paid $196
>3. years. ago.
I get flashbacks to coof GPU prices all of a sudden
Anonymous No.107115819 [Report]
>>107115136
Nobody does. Its why the trumpster fire administration sucks donkey balls.
Anonymous No.107115852 [Report] >>107115984
>>107115697
>top: poor man with only one computer ("my" computer)
>bottom: rich man who owns many computers ("this" is one of my many computers)
Anonymous No.107115857 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
heilige scheisse

i've bought 96gb ddr5 for laptop in middle April for 190 euro. now it costs 465.

i wanted to change my laptop in ~2-3y, when medusa halo with high memory bandwidth is out. but with such price surge it will be just too expensive
Anonymous No.107115878 [Report]
just boughted 64gb of ram for my ai slop machine before it gets worse :feelsbad:
Anonymous No.107115923 [Report]
>>107113769 (me)
holy fuck, I just checked. same (used) sticks from the same seller went up 39% over the last two weeks. wtf.
Anonymous No.107115984 [Report]
>>107115852
nice cope, anon. you will need it in upcoming years.
Anonymous No.107116214 [Report]
Techniggers always find a way to jack up hardware prices up further, shit drops 50 and then goes up 300
Anonymous No.107117323 [Report] >>107120910
I will pay exactly 0 (zero).
Anonymous No.107117379 [Report]
>>107114861
aww heckies @_@
Anonymous No.107117380 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
Amazing. Even on third world market it's rising too.
Anonymous No.107117537 [Report]
Wow, the 64 gb kit of 6000 cl30 i got for a bit over 200€ is now 469€.
Anonymous No.107117571 [Report]
>>107113841
CXMT already do produce ddr5 and are the reason why Samsung/sk hynix stopped producing ddr4 (out priced them). It's just rare to see them in non chink market sticks
Anonymous No.107117887 [Report] >>107118068
>>107113586 (OP)
Phone: 12GB
Laptop: 48GB
Gaming Desktop: 96GB
Home Server: 192GB
AI Server: 384GB

I hope I'm set.
Anonymous No.107117900 [Report] >>107117931 >>107118937
>piss off china
>buy nvidia
>china decides to make its own ai chips and to stop exporting rare earth minerals
>"omg why is ram so expensive"
i fucking despise burgers
Anonymous No.107117931 [Report] >>107119419
>>107117900
completely unrelated. It's all being diverted to AI, 40% of current RAM allocation diverted thanks to the Stargate project, on top of the fact that HBM has been prioritized by the big 3 memory makers at the same time for high-end enterprise and AI hyperscalers. They are shutting off the poor RAM spigot for a bit to focus on the expensive shit. Consumer can get fucked. To make one stack of HBM, you may use an entire row of RAM chips found on one normal stick.
Anonymous No.107118010 [Report]
>>107113601
100% AI.
Anonymous No.107118068 [Report]
>>107117887
You are absolutely set... for a lifetime of remaining a virgin.
Anonymous No.107118130 [Report]
>>107113601
This is just how capitalism works, commie.
Anonymous No.107118439 [Report] >>107119669
>>107113586 (OP)
DDR4 production had ceased. It is just supply and demand for existing inventory. High-density stuff will be take-up first. This always happens when production ceases.
>>107113601
AI/ML systems use RDIMM/LRDIMM not UDIMMs.
Anonymous No.107118459 [Report]
>>107115394
It is because goes with supply and demand. DDR4 isn't being produced anymore. There's demand for it due to AM4 and other aging DDR4 platforms that people are holding onto. DDR5 has taken over the spot. DDR6 will coming down the pipe soon.
Anonymous No.107118574 [Report] >>107119409
>>107114967
>72 gb of ram
what the fuck?
Anonymous No.107118890 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
DRAM prices exploding threads exploding
Anonymous No.107118937 [Report]
>>107117900
cant forget
>california has more people than canada and a huge GDP, but only two senators
>one of the senators is dianne fienstein
>embed a chinese spy to be her personal assistant
>coax her to shut down all of californias rare earth mineral mines for "environmentalism"
>when the last mine is closed down, finally get caught
>dianne feinstein defends you anyway and makes sure you get a full retirement package and benefits
if i was in charge i would tariff china 8 trillion percent, they are just like the jews and destroy everything good and pure in this world like california
Anonymous No.107119409 [Report] >>107123058
>>107118574
I mixed some sticks because like I said: poorfag shitbox
Anonymous No.107119419 [Report] >>107119641
>>107117931
It literally happened when China warned everyone it would happen you dense motherfucker. They literally informed the world.
Anonymous No.107119641 [Report] >>107119671
>>107119419
You have a child's perspective. Just because it was announced doesn't mean you are seeing the effects of it on dram pricing this soon; you would also see that directly reported. But you aren't, because they are unrelated, oh, and they put a one-year pause on those export controls. Oh by the way, do we even make toxic DRAM in Burgerland? No. So how would that apply to the US? You are the dense one, bitch. What I stated is exactly what the memory makers have said they are doing. God, retards like you are why I don't come here anymore. Not just fucking dumb people, but anti-knowledge, regressive souls not worth trying to save or interact with. Keep manufacturing shit to get angry about across the pond faggot.
Anonymous No.107119661 [Report]
>>107113640
>don't know, but i'm going to blame the Js, just in case
Considering Sam Altman is of the small hat large nose tribe, you would be correct
Anonymous No.107119669 [Report] >>107121466 >>107121473
>>107118439
>AI/ML systems use RDIMM/LRDIMM not UDIMMs
You said this in the other thread. What do you think is on those DIMMs you fuckimg retard? It not like the dies are magically different because the PCB is a different shape.
The fucking AI faggots are going straight to the Si vendors to buy supply
Anonymous No.107119671 [Report] >>107119683
>>107119641
Listen to me very closely:
You are a fucking retard. They said what they were going to do. They then did it.
Sometimes the curtains are just fucking blue you pissbaby. Besides; its not like the US could do anything about it.
Anonymous No.107119683 [Report]
>>107119671
I am happy to call out a Chinese win in the face of US idiocy right now, but this ain't it, tard.
Anonymous No.107119840 [Report] >>107119854
>bought 128GB of DDR4 for $80 earlier this year
Feels good bros
Anonymous No.107119854 [Report]
>>107119840
Yeah I got some 8 months ago, was going to wait until the end of the year, glad I didn't.
Anonymous No.107119862 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
this going to kill ai data centers
Anonymous No.107119875 [Report]
burgers can't even feed their own troops yet some babble on about how they need to start producing their own chips
get your fucking priorities straight.
Anonymous No.107120003 [Report] >>107120697 >>107120754 >>107120918 >>107123260
/v/ is now anti ai slop
What about you /g/? Are you guys still anti freedom cucks like you were a few years ago?
Anonymous No.107120143 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
I still needed to upgrade my two mini PC home servers as they only have 8GB and 16GB DDR4 respectively. Just wanted to throw some 32GB in there for like €50 but I just missed the boat.
Guess I'll have to try and find a decent deal on the used market.
Anonymous No.107120151 [Report] >>107120182
>>107113586 (OP)
Huh
maybe tariffs are bad
Anonymous No.107120182 [Report]
>>107120151
>American nigger and spic soldiers will go on German welfare
that is hilarious
Anonymous No.107120684 [Report]
My mobo can take up to 256GB, but only accepts 2Rx4 RDIMMs (not LRDIMMs).

Is there anywhere that might still have some in stock? I was hoping to max this thing out, but without spending like $2k ideally.
Anonymous No.107120697 [Report]
>>107120003
Anon I love ai. I've learned how to merge models, regularly partake of local hosting, finetuning, quantizing, etc.
But even I see why people get fed up with the AI bullshit.
Anonymous No.107120730 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
>MFW snagged a new pair of DDR4 sticks to replace dead ones in July
Anonymous No.107120754 [Report]
>>107120003
>now
Anonymous No.107120762 [Report]
>>107114081
say good byte to ram prices for the next 5+ years until this gay bubble pops
Anonymous No.107120794 [Report]
Thanks Trump
Anonymous No.107120821 [Report]
>>107114845
Black Friday is a meme. They always increase prices before.
Anonymous No.107120910 [Report]
>>107117323
based n
Anonymous No.107120918 [Report]
>>107120003
>/v/ is now anti ai slop
>What about you /g/? Are you guys still anti freedom cucks like you were a few years ago?
i recognize that AI is slop, but a lot of artists were doing slop to begin with, so it's fine for AI to replace slop with faster slop
Anonymous No.107120962 [Report]
>>107114549
ecc data center e-waste is also cheap. I maxxed my e-waste lenovo p510 with e-waste ebay ram, was like $200 for 256 gigs of ecc ddr4. Also got some megacore count xeon for $60. Have no use for all that but since it was so cheap I just pack stuff in.
Anonymous No.107121009 [Report] >>107125195
>>107113586 (OP)
So should I sell my 768GB of DDR4 2999MHz rdimms and make 6k? Hmm
Anonymous No.107121081 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
RAM cartel.
Anonymous No.107121113 [Report]
>ram prices up in aus, uk, Europe
>t-thanks Trump
Didn't realize there was a bunch of idiots here
Anonymous No.107121334 [Report]
LOVING the obvious chinkposting, keep it up yellow boys
Anonymous No.107121379 [Report] >>107121525
Just curious, did anyone ever do a data center heist? It's basically free money.
Anonymous No.107121400 [Report] >>107121499
>>107113586 (OP)
you will pay more for hardware
you will pay more for electricity = increasing prices of everything
you will pay more taxes
while zuck and altman get more gov money and tax exemptions to build more datacenters
Anonymous No.107121425 [Report]
>>107113640
>i don't know, but i'm going to blame the Js, just in case
I mean, you can never go wrong with it kek
Anonymous No.107121434 [Report] >>107121455
>>107113637
>You voted for this.
that was the price to pay to remove woke, 0 regret
Anonymous No.107121455 [Report]
>>107121434
>that was the price to pay to remove woke
woke is back...
Anonymous No.107121466 [Report]
>>107119669
It is more then just different layout kiddo. You are just mad that you didn't get stuff when demand was low because you didn't actually need it at the time.
Sad
Anonymous No.107121473 [Report] >>107121489
>>107119669
aislop defenders arent real people, they are all clueless npcs
Anonymous No.107121474 [Report]
>>107115536
Yes, they have been *high* a number of times. You have a very short memory or just showing your age.
Anonymous No.107121489 [Report]
>>107121473
Not defending AI slop. Just putting out facts. You are just seething with impotent rage because of the supply/demand curve is not playing in your favor.
I suspect most of the price hike is actually from USA dollar dying on the global scene and it is now bleeding on the luxury goods now.
Anonymous No.107121499 [Report] >>107121513 >>107121579
>>107121400
Nah, it is more like the whole thing is collapsing hard and everybody else is circling down the drain.
Those "datacenters" are going to be USA's version of "ghost cities" or the "dark fiber" that was laid down during dot.com boom.
Anonymous No.107121513 [Report]
>>107121499
>dark fiber
interesting stuff didn't know about it
Anonymous No.107121520 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
My highly overpriced $400 ram kit now costs $900
Its literally over
Anonymous No.107121525 [Report]
>>107121379
What can you do with the hardware or data getting it physically vs hacking for it digitally? For most of computing history, there was no reason to do that even with the dot com bubble. And even now, GPUs aren't expensive enough yet to warrant doing that given the security that datacenters have already, and then shipping it over to some customer like a Chinese one. You need someone highly technical to even know what to do with these GPUs. I suspect when Rubin comes out, that is when the prices for datacenter GPUs will have skyrocketed enough for someone to even bother trying this.
Anonymous No.107121529 [Report]
>>107114845
Your last hope is existing/old stock with the old prices
Everything stocked up past this point will cost >2-3x as much as they did weeks ago
Anonymous No.107121579 [Report]
>>107121499
>Those "datacenters" are going to be USA's version of "ghost cities" or the "dark fiber" that was laid down during dot.com boom.
i think in the .com some of that infrastructure was re-used for productive stuff after the bubble popped, but unlikely that they will be able to do anything with it after AI pops and they have to pay real energy prices, i think they will just go to hell
Anonymous No.107123058 [Report] >>107124572
>>107119409
I have mixed sticks too but that doesn't explain it
...I'm running 48 gb (16+8 for each channel), dual channel works in my configuration
how the fuck do you get dual channel working on 72 gb (without flex mode or some shit like that which isn't ideal)? I don't think it's mathematically possible
Anonymous No.107123260 [Report]
>>107120003
>aijeet decides now, as aislop is the reason dram nearly doubled in price or worse, to promote aislop
Anonymous No.107123983 [Report]
>>107113749
RAM is only useful if you have really fast connections to the CPU. Most boards don't. Recent Mac's sport integrated RAM which is maybe twice as fast as normal RAM, but still no where near GPU RAM. This enables them to run really big models, but not fast.
The only other boards where this is a plausible option for running large models via CPU are Epyk (?) server motherboards, which also sport fancy server CPUs. But that's very expensive, and I it makes no sense to buy DDR4 for this purpose.

>>107114040
Loading large models into RAM is indeed a CPU AI strategy. It used to be that people would run a stack of 3090s to run large local AI (70B).
But recently, there have been no 70B monolithic models released. Instead, MoE has enabled these models to run as smaller models (3/7/14B), and the big monolithic models are 100s of billions of parameters. Nobody can use the big models at home without running a dozen hefty cards which require so much electricity their house has to be rewired.
That leaves people running small and MoE, which turn out to be pretty good. Most people buy a couple cards, like 2 5090s for 64GB VRAM, and run a local MoE with a lot of context. But that setup can't run the big models.
That's where the CPU option comes in. The idea is to get enough RAM to load the entire model and run it on a CPU, slowly being better than nothing.
But only a retard would buy DDR4 for this purpose. The whole point is that you need the fasted RAM you can get, or your token rate will be 1 token an hour.
If you want to run large models in RAM and you don't mind it being a bit slow, Mac is probably the way to go, unless you have money for Epyk.
Or feel free to spend 100K on a huge stack of RX6000s.
Anonymous No.107124226 [Report] >>107125570
>>107114066
Holy shit, I bought this for $229 in May of this year.
Anonymous No.107124572 [Report] >>107129298
>>107123058
nta but he may just ditched dual channel in favor of more memory
Anonymous No.107125093 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
Wtf happened
Anonymous No.107125195 [Report]
>>107121009
i would
AI is just a fancy shopping assistant anyways
Anonymous No.107125460 [Report]
>bought 32gb 5600 ddr5 for 90 euros 2 years ago
>now they sell it for 240 euro
lol, lmoa
Anonymous No.107125486 [Report] >>107125589
>>107113586 (OP)
I'm kinda out of the loop, why is this AI? Last I heard AI is VRAM reliant, not RAM.
Anonymous No.107125497 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
How is regular PC RAM even helping AItards? CPU inference and training are impossibly slow and there's no good way to use this RAM on a graphics card, is there?
Anonymous No.107125541 [Report]
>>107113629
>so there's mass consumer burnout across the board. It turns out computer components, like many other things, are discretionary and the brainless sheep with credit cards are maxed out.

And? It hasn't been about consumer markets ever since the AI boom started. It's about enterprise and government markets now, and they can afford it from your taxes.
Anonymous No.107125570 [Report]
>>107114066
>>107124226
I bought a 32GB 7400MHz Patriot Viper kit like... half a year ago. Kind of feeling hilarious looking at the prices now. Should've bought the 64GB kit, but opted for an odroid to use as my server instead...
Anonymous No.107125587 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
i wanted to do a big ram upgrade this month but i guess not
Anonymous No.107125589 [Report]
>>107125486
>I'm kinda out of the loop, why is this AI? Last I heard AI is VRAM reliant, not RAM.

They are buying up all the memory production capacity there is, if there are no free wafers to make normal RAM, then normal RAM will get more expensive as well.

And you can run llms in normal memory too.
Anonymous No.107126469 [Report]
>>107113787
>check financial times
>"Our DRAM, NAND as well as HBM capacity [for next year] has been sold out", said Kim, referring to SK Hynix's main memory products. "Customers are buying even conventional memory chips for 2026 in advance."
It's real, fuck me. PC gaming in the future will shift into an enthusiast-only market at this point.
Anonymous No.107126620 [Report] >>107126679 >>107126694 >>107126698 >>107126700 >>107126721
poorfags btfo
Anonymous No.107126663 [Report] >>107126687 >>107130942
With huge amount of GPU,RAM and fuckton of power usage, one would expect to able to acheive AGI at this point, but instead the best they can do is AI slop generator and retarded LLM token weighting machine. When will this retarded AI bubble pop?
Anonymous No.107126679 [Report] >>107126708 >>107126820
>>107126620
>2667mhz
scabPICKER No.107126685 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
>>107113601
Tariffs aren't 200%, that's for sure.
Anonymous No.107126687 [Report]
>>107126663
As long as AI companies get to trick investors to burn money with promises of profit
Anonymous No.107126694 [Report] >>107126708 >>107126820
>>107126620
>2667MHz
>called others poorfags
Anonymous No.107126698 [Report]
>>107126620
it sure is lonely at the top
Anonymous No.107126700 [Report] >>107126820
>>107126620
good bait
Anonymous No.107126708 [Report] >>107126844
>>107126679
>>107126694
just look at the ramlets seething, lmao
Anonymous No.107126721 [Report]
>>107126620
I like my ewaste
Anonymous No.107126820 [Report] >>107127270
>>107126679
>>107126694
>>107126700
Let's see Paul Allen's dedicated wam
scabPICKER No.107126844 [Report] >>107130994
>>107126708
There are other ways to make ram, but I don't think the demand was anticipated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint

obama should have invested in this. What a dumb fuck. I remember when people thought if you voted for him you'd get rural fiber. Instead of being the "future" president, it was like getting a random suit manager.
Anonymous No.107126852 [Report] >>107126873 >>107126875 >>107126930 >>107130949
>>107113586 (OP)
Isn't technology supposed to get more affordable over time? Why are we going backwards?
scabPICKER No.107126873 [Report]
>>107126852
supply and demand. And the fact Obama didn't invest in tech. It's really paying negative now.
Anonymous No.107126875 [Report] >>107126908
>>107126852
Moop's law was a scam
scabPICKER No.107126908 [Report]
>>107126875
Well, that's pretty irrelevant.

Mankind could have an agreement to never upgrade memory tech past ddr3, but still it could get cheaper, by increasing supply, obviously.
Anonymous No.107126930 [Report]
>>107126852
Jews
Anonymous No.107126951 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
I feel fortunate I blew my load early and got a 9800x3d and 64gb of ram in preparation for a 5080(which I never managed to get)
Anonymous No.107126961 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
then, i shall not buy
Anonymous No.107127096 [Report] >>107127945
>>107113629
>brainless sheep with credit cards are maxed out
Believe it or not, the vast majority of people do not go into credit card debt except as a last resort.

>but then how do credit card companies afford all these heckin perks like luke smith said!!
They give rewards/cashback/introductory offers by screwing over the merchant and people who choose not to use credit cards.
The credit card company charges the merchant a fee, then the merchant passes the fee to the customer by baking it into the prices, and you pay extra.
Then you collect the reward after the fact, which is usually less than the extra cost to you in the price. The house always wins.
AND the credit card companies become big mad and threaten to pull services if the merchant gives a cash discount because there are no fees with cash.

This insanity is similar to how America got its disaster of a healthcare system, with hospitals/doctors/pharmacies charging fake prices.
Anonymous No.107127270 [Report]
>>107126820
fuck I was supposed to show off my sick 4000MHz overclock and BTFO out everyone but I guess it's like... not overclocked anymore?
Anonymous No.107127857 [Report] >>107129624
Just bought 328GB of RAM for $125 I'm gonna be able to retire with the profits
Anonymous No.107127881 [Report]
the 64GB DDR5 kit i bought half a year ago is now 50% more expensive than what i paid for it kek.
Anonymous No.107127945 [Report] >>107129594
>>107127096
I would gladly not use a credit card if there was a convenient alternative. they just baked it into the system and everything costs more and I get a measly 2% back
I think medicine is a little different, the problem is you can't actually assign a value to the service provided since it really doesn't matter if your surgeon is the best and should charge more. they say they'll charge 2x and insurance says no, we will actually pay 1x like we pay everyone else. The only person getting fucked over is those without insurance who sees the 2x price
Anonymous No.107128702 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
>Dominate Windows
>Overwrite and Overlay the UI with SlowScript every two years.
>Double the minimum required RAM every two years.
>Hoard HBM and DDR
>JEWS' LAW TOTAL VICTORY
Anonymous No.107129298 [Report]
>>107124572
but that would be extremely stupid
you're almost halving your performance in memory bandwidth constrained scenarios (almost every use case on most recent ddr 4/ddr 5 ryzen cpus) for like an extra 8 gb stick or something? not worth it
and yes technically with flex mode only that last 8 gb would be slower than the rest but then again, it makes no sense to have your performance plummet when accessing some areas of your ram for an extra 5-10% of memory capacity
Anonymous No.107129399 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
pcpartpicker has some nice price trend graphs.
Here's the average ram price for ddr5-6000 2x32gb. It increased almost 150%
Anonymous No.107129594 [Report]
>>107127945
>you can't actually assign a value to the service provided since it really doesn't matter if your surgeon is the best and should charge more
No, this is a Lemon's problem, and results in all surgeons being paid the same 1x amount.
What actually happens is, surgeon asks for 1x, insurance lowballs and offers 0.9x, which the surgeon cannot afford.
The insurance company uses a logarithmic strategy, so they need to charge 2x, 3x, or 4x just to get 1x.
The solution to kill this is unironically what Martin Shkreli did to Daraprim, and they put him in prison for it.
Anonymous No.107129619 [Report]
Damn, I was going to go to 64GB and sell my 32GB kit. Oh well, fuck the jews.
Anonymous No.107129624 [Report] >>107130107
>>107127857
Is this what we're gonna have to do now?
Buy RAM sticks in little baggies from some /g/uy in a parking lot?
Anonymous No.107130107 [Report]
>>107129624
>buy
You're gonna have to trade your mouth or bussy for this ram
Anonymous No.107130942 [Report]
>>107126663
>When will this retarded AI bubble pop?
when they are forced to pay for their stuff instead of being subsidized
Anonymous No.107130949 [Report] >>107130957 >>107131115
>>107126852
peak oil happened in the 1970s, energy usage stagnated after that, it's been downhill from there, with some small gains from better efficiency but you can only do so much
Anonymous No.107130957 [Report]
>>107130949
Anonymous No.107130994 [Report]
>>107126844
>demented trumpanzee starts babbling about obummer in a conversation about RAM
That man mindbroke you. Based.
Anonymous No.107131005 [Report]
All that is one more reason to skip amd am5 platform entirely.
Anonymous No.107131025 [Report] >>107131802
Ill just wait for the AI bubble to burst
Anonymous No.107131115 [Report] >>107131133 >>107131385 >>107131395 >>107131929
>>107130949
>small gains from better efficiency but you can only do so much
Leds are 60x more efficient than incandescent, public transport is 10x more efficient than cars, vegetarianism is 5x more efficient than eating meat, apartments are 3x more efficient than single family homes.
Chuds can seethe all they want, the way of life they're after will end based on simple thermodynamics.
Anonymous No.107131133 [Report]
>>107131115
Well motherfucker, dying is more efficient than being alife too. Being dead means literally 0 energy consumption.
Anonymous No.107131181 [Report] >>107132706
>>107113787
>Its only going to go up
>[irrelevant bullshit about nvidia]
everything is going up because USD is losing reserve currency status. you havent seen anything yet. get ready for breadlines, mother-daughter prostitute teams, etc
Anonymous No.107131385 [Report]
>>107131115
yes, but you don't get the equivalent product as you were getting before because there's less energy per person, living in a hole eating your own shit is very efficient, but it's not wealth or progress
Anonymous No.107131395 [Report]
>>107131115
All this means is you can't afford to use as much energy. If you were using the same energy as someone in the 70s with today's tech you would be able to afford so much more. But you're affording less at the same time that things are becoming more efficient.
Anonymous No.107131502 [Report] >>107131534
>haha surely this is just an American thing
>check the exact RAM I got for my PC two years ago from the exact same store
>I got it at 160 aussie dollarydoos, now it's 320
It'll go back to normal in a few years when I want to upgrade... right?
Anonymous No.107131534 [Report] >>107131731
>>107131502
every price increase leads to a "new normal"
Anonymous No.107131731 [Report]
>>107131534
generally yes, but there are exceptions. GPU prices went down significantly after coof.
Anonymous No.107131802 [Report]
>>107131025
this still may be years. "2 more weeks" cope is too strong to allow the entire market admit defeat.
Anonymous No.107131822 [Report]
>>107115536
The last huge RAM price spike wasn't even that long ago, retard. It went through the roof towards the end of 2021 and stayed there for much of 2022.
Anonymous No.107131878 [Report]
>mfw have 4 unused 8GB DDR3 sticks just laying in my drawer
we're eating good tonight boys
Anonymous No.107131929 [Report]
>>107131115
Effeciency, yeah just make the world shit but efficiently
Anonymous No.107132706 [Report]
>>107131181
two more weeks
Anonymous No.107132719 [Report] >>107132727
>find 4x32gb sticks at a reasonable price
>order them
>receive email next morning
>"looool just a prank bro order cancelled lmao"
I really hoped I could still get ram at a good price but guess I'm just fucked.
Anonymous No.107132727 [Report]
>>107132719
>webm
relatable
Anonymous No.107133243 [Report]
>>107113586 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rx0eqQl8wk
Anonymous No.107133466 [Report] >>107133479
Just a reminder to all that pic related is what white IQ looks like and what white IQ voted for. Just in case you might think being white meant something special.

that's right... White IQ wants you to be a faggot and locked inside your home, constantly watched and monitored, injected with mystery substances and starving and killing each other for food and inflated RAM. All to serve its kike masters
Anonymous No.107133479 [Report]
>>107133466
Anonymous No.107133604 [Report] >>107133731
>>107113586 (OP)
there a reason for that or is it more like early 2000s situation kind of deal?
Anonymous No.107133641 [Report]
>Ram prices up ram prices up
>Whatever I am never getting ddr5 system anyway
>mfw the 64 kit I bought for 90€ is now 350€
Damn
Anonymous No.107133731 [Report] >>107133919
>>107133604
Some say it's permanent like GPU and Western residential housing pricing.

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/storage/decade-long-ssd-and-ram-pricing-apocalypse-predicted-as-ai-data-centers-gobble-up-hardware-on-an-epic-scale/
Anonymous No.107133919 [Report]
>>107133731
It says it right in there at the bottom of the page.
All it'll take is the bubble bursting and that's a when not an if.
There's a consensus in the compsci world that LLMs are a dead end when it comes to AGI and current valuation is based on the assumption that it's not.