Thread 107132402

Current GPUs will also increase in price as VRAM shortage ramps up

IT'S OVER

Thanks capitalism

>>107132441
Capitalism is when governments manipulate pricing and supplies

they would've been a huge fucking meme regardless
the core count is the same on the 5080 and 5070ti and the 5070 only gets 4% more cores

>>107132441
True I wish a one world government could impose price ceiling on GPUs so I can afford to generate my tranny AI pics while I wait in my 15 min city bread line

>>107132441
And Capitalism Man thanks you!

>>107132448
It's the end-goal of every business to latch itself onto daddy state and it's infinite tax Dollars and to destroy or absorb all competition and become a monopoly.

why cant they just put more than 3gb of ram in it? are they seriously that cheap?

>>107132524
Cool it with the anti-semitism.

I'm happy with my 5070 ti 16gb

>>107132441
this hasn't been capitalism since the usd was taken off of gold in 1971

>>107132441
Not blaming
>AI
>Crypto
>Conspiring Taiwanese chip oligopoly
>Central Banks printing money
>Net zero climate change policies increasing energy & production costs
>Covid normalizing supply shortages and higher base prices

None of those are capitalism. More like Satanic Jewish Globalism to enslave goys. You are just a dumb goy that believes the reddit narrative they fed you so they will provide the desperately needed solution of a better system.

Same thing as dumb vaxx goys crying for the solution to covid and lockdowns being the vaccine. Now after that it's normal that people get cancer, heart and autoimmune disease.

>>107132402 (OP)
>GPUs
USECASE?

>Wait cucks get fucked again
LMAO

>>107132524
The jews need it more than we do

>>107132402 (OP)
Can't wait for prices to skyrocket and then never return to normal because people are retarded enough to pay the new price. This will happen with CPUs eventually too.

>JUST WAIT
hate waitfags so much

>>107132672
this isn't the first time this happened to memory prices newfag

Waiting has never worked once, you deserve this.

>>107132402 (OP)
What's happening with dram and ram?

>>107132700
It's the first time after they did it with GPUs. The precedent is set and will be followed every time.

>>107132763
The jews are buying it all for AI

>>107132505
The end goal of every business is to be able to sell as much as and not be threatened by the gov or limited.

>>107132784
that's why every time a big business makes a bad decision or fails because muh free markit daddy government bails them out with taxpayer money while publicly decrying governmental assist for anyone but the biggest corporations and banks

it WILL happen to nvidia too, and the capitalcuck tears will be beautiful as we descend into a generational stagflation circle of death, muh bailouts, muh markets, muh superprofits

>>107132441
The goverment trying to create a dystopia with literal trillion in credits isn't "capitalism"
>no real capital accumulation by individuals or the goverment
>profit seems to be optional if they can kill competition for enough time

>>107132402 (OP)
There is 3gb vram - for datacenters
goymers get nothing
and better buy now because price is going up

>>107133001
it's the only end-goal of capitalism, financial capital hides these contradictions but eventually they blow up in everyone's face

>GDDR7
AMD wins again.

>>107132700
Looks like the late 1980s RAM shortage all over again. Took years for things to go back to normal and it set back average PC specs back then a lot. If it wasn't for that, 16MB ram would have been standard by 1991 instead of 1995, it would have benefitted CD-ROM based 4th and 5th gen consoles too.
At least we used HDDs back then so storage wasn't affected, now it's worse because it will affect storage too.

>soldered vram
jew standard

let pc gayming die, there shouldn't be any games that need more then a decent APU like Lunar Lake or Strix Point.

>>107133061
ram makers will reduce less profitable gddr6 production to produce more ddr5/gddr7 or simply mark up gddr6 as well

>>107132537
this but my 4070 ti super
can't wait till i'm able to sell it and buy a house

>>107132580
LOL have you seen gold recently?
It's completely manipulated now

>>107133264
It's not all about PC gaming. A lot of people get high-VRAM GPUs for non-gaming tasks like 3D rendering and video production, for some projects the more VRAM you have the better.

>>107133061
>He thinks GDDR6 production will continue

>>107132402 (OP)
the same 3gb ram can be sold for more cash into the aislop bubble
gaming market is a rounding error by now

>>107132580
>this hasn't been capitalism since the usd was taken off of gold in 1971
I'm so grateful that I am not this stupid

the high end ai systems use hbm for much higher densities
nvidia puts gddr7 for their gamer chips and workstation gpus

Sure non-nvidia AI chip manufacturers may use slower vram but their market share is tiny, so its weird that would cause shortages.

>>107132402 (OP)
Just call it 3gb but put 2gb in there. What is little Timmy Goyim gonna do about it? Buy AMD? lol

>>107132402 (OP)
Time for Hackerman to destroy some AI data centers

9060 xt 16gb chads win again

>>107134724
>driver support cancelled in 2 years
Yeah dude, cool.

>>107134493
An article I read say it's all coming from the same factories and so they aren't bothering make gddr7 right now to build more ai shit instead

>>107132784
In practice business seek to grow while minimizing risks and they do that by forming monopolies (buying competitors, supply chains etc) and cozzing up to the goverment (too big to fail, etc) then you can safely profit knowing that your competition is dead and if hard times come the goverment will help you out.

>>107134924
link the article

>>107134987
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/graphics-cards/a-rumour-that-nvidia-will-cancel-the-rtx-50-super-cards-because-of-ram-is-almost-certainly-nonsense-but-everything-wont-be-fine-either/


You might be wondering why GDDR7 would be in short supply anyway, as massive AI servers don't use it. Even though the ultra-fast graphics memory used on most RTX 50 cards is internally different to DDR5 and LPDDR5x, it's still fabricated in the same process lines.

So with the demand for the normal system RAM ploughing through the stratosphere, because of bloody AI, manufacturers such as Samsung and Micron will want to use as much production capacity as possible for DDR5, as well as AI-specific stuff like HBM.

What's likely to make matters worse is that, as things currently stand, only Samsung lists 3 GB GDDR7 as being in mass production. Neither Micron nor SK hynix even mention it, and just produce the standard 2 GB stuff that's currently used on RTX 50 cards. Given GDDR7 is only used by Nvidia at the moment, this is all perfectly understandable.

It's November
Why haven't the CPUs lowered in price

>>107132441
And why would socialism have 50 series graphics cards again?

>>107132505
That's called corporatism but we can generalize it to classism because in reality it's the same people who get political favors regardless of the economic system the peasants live under.

>>107135057
ah so its about AI demand being up for ddr5 RAM and thats made on same process nodes as VRAM samsung uses for 3gb gddr7 ?

>>107135109
It all comes from Samsung, Micron, and Hynix. They just stop their machines making one thing and switch it to another line. GDDR7 production is being switched to DRAM/HBM since only Nvidia wants GDDR7 and Nvidia don't even care that much about it especially when Datacenter/AI is concerned.

These companies are swamped and have stopped taking new orders for DRAM until they can meet demand. Meanwhile on Amazon DDR5 prices literally increases every day.

1k for 9070 xt soon. UDNA is fucked.

>>107132524
The cards aren't 3GB, the VRAM modules are. Same with RAM sticks, they have multiple 2GB modules

>>107132505
surely the solution is to preemptively force all businesses to latch onto the state and absorb them into government ministries
that will surely result in a different outcome, somehow

>>107132524
Why didn't they just put 96/32/24/16 in the 90/80/70/60 series respectively? Because they're money grubbing fucking jews, like always.

>>107135978
because that's FORTY EIGHT fucking ram chips on a single fucking board
the only people who need this much are retarded personal aislop kikes thinking they're better than the big ai slop kikes

>>107134493
all factories are poducing HBM, both RAM and storage is about to explode in prices

Why is intel not making ram chips, are they retarded? Nobody wants their shitty CPUs they're just wasting silicon.

>>107132646
processing graphics

>>107132402 (OP)
"Super Blackwell" fresh was never going to happen in the first place. GDDR7 shortage is a convenient excuse. Nvidia has no reason do it. The old Ada Lovelace inventory is drying and being replaced by Blackwell stock.

>>107132402 (OP)
This is OpenAI's fault isn't it? This is why they are asking for government backing- they're holding the future of technological progress hostage by consuming most of the world's RAM. fucking wild

When will AI kikes and retarded investors accept that LLMs will never be AGI?

>>107137805
Once they've pumped their stocks and sold the majority of the vaporware to boomers that they think they can get away with, and after they've sold that stock and shorted those companies.

Then that will be the narrative.

>>107135089
China is already on it.

>>107132742
No gpu since the 10 series has been worth buying either so, buying has never worked since the 10 series.

>>107139050
The 4090 was worth buying at launch, but especially so when people panicked after the 5090 was announced and they were going for practically nothing.

>>107139072
no GPU is worth $1600

>>107132441
that never works with limited supply

>>107137805
I keep saying it's the wrong hardware for the job

>8 USB 2.0 ports
wtf asrock

are there even any games worth paying nvidia's insane prices? my gaming PC collects dust.

>>107139091
>it needs more SLOP 2.0

>>107139091
what does it have to do with this thread?

>>107139241
nothing
i am in the wrong thread

>>107139213
I got a pre built in 2021 black Friday that had a 1650 super and upgraded the gpu to 6650xt in 2023 to play starfield
haven't needed a upgrade since

>>107136080
seething vramlet detected kek

>>107139213
battlefield 6 at 2k (dlss ~4k down to 2k) completely maxed is a glorious experience on the 5090 and I get about 110-130 fps on a delidded 7600x. Turning on framegen I get 300+ fps for my 360 hz gsync monitor and I don't really notice the added latency of them being "fake frames". In that config the game uses about 16-18 GB of vram.

Overall 10/10 ign and glad I won't be phased by le ram shortage.

Also if you have a better cpu you're going to easily have an even better experience as its very much cpu limited for me.

>>107139503
>shiteater that doesn't mind framegen thinks his opinion on quality matters

>>107139517
I don't mind framegen when the base framerate is 90+. If its below that you can start to actually tell the difference in input lag and I wouldn't recommend it.
I really don't understand how that's hard to understand.

so what am i supposed to do now, go to the store and get a 5070 ti?

>>107139597
Why not just get one of the cheaper 5080's with a smaller heatsink and set up an alphacool waterblock for it? Looks like you can get one for ~100 usd more than a 5070 Ti.

I'll just wait.

>>107139631
oh, well, im not gonna watercool, that's for sure

>>107132441
>buy nvidia
>freak china out so much they stop selling rare earth and make their own ai chips
>piss off the only other two countries that have rare earth in usable quanities or not excessively and inconveniently locked away aka canada and greenland
>canada aka the place that was willing to mine and refine it practically for free
reap what you sow; burgoid

>>107139213
My gaming PC I built in 2020 sat collecting dust for so long that I disassembled it recently, put the video card into storage, and turned it into a mid range work station for torrenting media. The last game worth playing on it was Metro Exodus which released in 2019. Maybe I'll build a new gayming PC for STALKER 2 sometime, but I just really don't care at this point.

Absolutely no regrets from decommissioning my gaming PC. Thing is worthless now in current year.

>>107132641
this.

>>107132505
You are mind numbingly retarded.

>>107132402 (OP)
well I'm sure glad I picked up my 16gb porn generator while I still could

>>107140170
Early bird gets the worm, I got my 5090 for 2500 and now the cheapest one available is over 3k lmao

>>107132441
When's Cuba's or Venezuela's high-end graphics card hitting the market?

I hate AI so much.

>>107137908
>and sold the majority of the vaporware to boomers
Hahaha, that’s the neat part, they can’t. There is no exit liquidity audience.
Zillenials don’t have enough appetite for stocks, they are too young and grew up wealth starved.
The majority of under 60yo stock activity is on credit. (And a lot of that credit is made to fake/shell individuals. Finance sector employees open fake accounts to meet quotas all the time.)

>>107139091
It's free real estate. Literally every inch of that IO panel that isn't occupied by something useful should be USB 2.0.

>>107132505
when the state and corporations work together as one it's called fascism, you can look it up

>>107140050
A 9800X3D/5090 is still unironically not powerful enough to run stalker 2 properly

>>107132402 (OP)
>rumor
Sounds like pure conjecture. Fine by me though, got my 5060ti already. Then realized I should probably learn to draw instead of learning to slop, but the vram is still nice to have for other stuff.

>>107132402 (OP)
We're at GDDR7 now? Last time I checked it was still GDDR5 or something and that didn't even improve gaming performance significantly. Can't they just use last-gen memory instead of just cancelling their cards?

>>107132402 (OP)
this was debooonked but prices will rise anyway

You don't hate LLM scam companies and sam altman enough

>>107132646
Making computers say "nigger" and write degenerate fanfiction.

>>107142399
Direct your hate at Jensen.
Starting with the 80GB A100 Nvidia has been 'selling' their datacenter cards on the condition that they are returned to nvidia at the end of their service life (where they are then shredded) in order to prevent the formation of a secondary market. Otherwise it's likely smaller startups would be operating on used devices decreasing the demand for components on the manufacturing end.

Aren't intel fabs with free capacity?

Can't they just make ram chips?

I don't think ram chips need the 2nm TSMC node.

>>107132641

I left /pol/ but /pol/ found me regardless. You are not wrong, btw. The goy cattle never manages to reach the root of the problem and tries to cure the symptoms instead of the (((disease))).

>>107132402 (OP)
Kek. PCMR gets btfo'd yet again.

>>107142431
> Starting with the 80GB A100 Nvidia has been 'selling' their datacenter cards on the condition that they are returned to nvidia at the end of their service life (where they are then shredded) in order to prevent the formation of a secondary market.
Source?

>>107142105
>Last time I checked it was still GDDR5 or something and that didn't even improve gaming performance significantly.
Anon... That more than ten years ago.

>>107142438
>both ps5 and ps5 pro use 16 GB of unified ram
>ps5 and ps5 pro got a price hike on september
>he think they are not gonna get more price hikes as this shit get worse
unironically is over for the ps6, they either release a paper launch with a retarded price hike or delay it until there is enough wafers to drive the price down (i doubt it)

>>107143748
I'm still shocked how console prices went up and then went up again never seen that shit in my life

>>107140050
maybe you could've rented it out to somebody to use for AI?
I know as a student I would've probably taken an offer like this because a card was too expensive

>>107142434
Could be, but that's not how real world works redditfag, they need patents and it would be direct competition to the other manufacturers. Stealing money and clients. I don't care and you don't care, but the current companies making money want to keep the money making sauce a secret.

>>107132402 (OP)
You have to buy from the existing stock of 50 series GPU-s, dear g... consumer.

>>107139075
I bought the 4090 for 1800€ and sold it a year later for 1800€.
I bought the 5090 for 2600€ and i expect to sell it for 2600€.

>>107144309
i hope gpus prices dont skyrocket, everyone is going crazy about the dram shortage

>>107132641
>falling for every single psyop under the sun
So why did prices never come down after the mining crash?
>muh rona
Yeah my point exactly nigger.