Thread 107188532

will you drop your desktop/laptop for one of these? you'd need aftermarket gear for a color passthough setup (to run immersedvr).

>>107188532 (OP)
A Snapdragon 8 gen 3 can't even run Genshin stably at 1080p. You're not bypassing a processing device unless you're playing PNG gatchas or indieslop.

pottery

>>107188532 (OP)
>Archlinux on your face
LMFAOOOO

>>107188662
But for porn and movies it's probably fine

>>107188682
>will you drop your desktop/laptop for one of these?

>>107188532 (OP)
>vr window managers for linux finally gonna become a thing
Guess it's something to celebrate.

>>107188532 (OP)
>will you drop your desktop/laptop for one of these?
Why ? I would like to use it to stream with my laptop why I have to ditch it ?

>>107188682
>and movies
Absolutely fucking not. LCD with no HDR, no local dimming, and worse comparable pixel density than a 1366x768 monitor? It'll look like absolute ass for movies even if all you're used to are YIFY rips.

>>107188671
LMAO 2 trannies, illegal immigrant and diversity hire. Can't be more inclusive than that.

>>107188727
its just KDE with floating windows

>>107188765
Care to provide evidence?
https://youtu.be/Js7Y1H5D8cY

>>107188741
This.
I already do that with my Quest 2 to play some games.

vr would need to make nearly indefinite generational leaps before it becomes even remotely interesting outside a few niche uses

>>107188901
Eh, they are already almost there. 8k microleds are already here. Once they come down in price itsgonbe a bloodbath. We do need better gpus though to push all those pixels though.

>>107188748
It's right next to your fucking eyeballs and dark. Darker than most rooms. I saw a lot of anti-valve comments on yt nitpicking everything about this VR. I think these (you) are paid shills of Meta and unpaid AiToddler shills (not you) being given marching orders because these companies are shitting their pants right now.

>>107188986
>It's right next to your fucking eyeballs
That literally makes it worse you dumbfuck. Play a movie on a device with an LCD display up to your face and you'll see just how bad the blacks looks. Fucking hell valvesimps are insufferable.

>>107188741
i mean use the frame as your main you can still run other machines too or the way apps like immersed work is you remote into the machines from the vr headset

>>107189014
Resolution is kinda low to work with text comfortably in my opinion.
t. pico 4 owner

>>107188809
>safespaces

>>107189120
>software for ultimate escapism devices
fitting, id say

>>107188947
it is what I said its not close at all

>>107188741
>why I have to ditch it ?
Holy ESL

>>107188532 (OP)
hell yeah I can finally have arch femboys smother my face in VR

>>107188748
>no local dimming
Kill yourself

>>107188758
Gaben hates Whites

>>107188532 (OP)
I wish you didn't need to pay twice as much as Quest 3 for a slightly inferior package. But oh well... whatever it takes to avoid Facebook and Google.

>>107188671
>our products are for gross pathetic losers!
What kind of marketing is that?

>>107190042
Because he's a disgusting fat fuck?

>>107188671
>We need people for a commercial
>Get soifolx in the seattle area
>Well...just film for a an hour or two, we only need them to look cool for 2 seconds of jump cuts
>little wiggle dance

>>107188986
mini darkroom in your eyeballs only aids in required brightness. But this headset and all VR headsets don't get much hotter than 100 nits because the lenses absorb so much light, especially pancake. That posters was complaining mostly about black levels which are absolutely horrible in VR without oled.

>>107190141
it has 40% stronger GPU and foveated eyetracked rendering its gonna perform way better

super disappointed that its not OLED and it has pancake lens. I thought valve would be like apple and go super high end, expensive

>>107191810
i think the correct decision is to compete with Q3 and not 1000$+ headsets. a 1000$ headset in this economy would have been a massive loser where's a 600$ one can be a winner given good games/software support

theres gotta be good new titles at launch, what new VR AAA game should we expect?

>>107192135
HL3

>>107192095
But the Frame basically is a $600 headset??? It's only slightly better than a 5 year old Reverb G2.

>>107192230
how good is the GPU on the reverb?

>>107188901
Not really. The use case is "video games" and it's already good enough for pretty much every kind of game imaginable (PCVR I mean, not standalone). The problem VR has and has always had is that nobody really makes these video games, it's stuck in a catch-22 of not having enough games for mass adoption and not having enough users to attract big-budget game development from 3rd parties.

All the other "use cases" that you're thinking of are basically misuse of hardware that is primarily designed to be used for video games and you think the usability is ass because the hardware is not designed nor intended for whatever you're imagining.

>>107188532 (OP)
I refuse to call SteamOS or KDE Linux Arch Linux derivatives. Arch Linux is first and foremost about rolling release update system. Just because those systems use pacman as package manager (which you can't even use efficiently since systems are image based and read only) doesn't mean they're Arch Linux derivatives, otherwise MSYS2 users can say they're using Arch. CachyOS, Endeavor and Manjaro are ArchLinux derivatives but SteamOS isn't.

>wireless
into the trash it goes

>>107192325
my understanding is they just use arch's packages, kind of like mint/ubuntu being downstream of debian
>>107192346
nobody wants wires

>>107192350
I want wires. and a standard video input.

>>107192360
do you only used wired phones and headphones too?

>>107192350
> kind of like mint/ubuntu being downstream of debian
Ubuntu and Mint are indeed using Debian packages, that's why they're Debian derivatives. SteamOS doesn't use Arch packages, it using image produced from installing those packages. Nobody is saying that server that's running 10 different docker container is actually running 10 different fedoras, alpines, debians.

>>107192385
>SteamOS doesn't use Arch packages, it using image produced from installing those packages.
you described using arch packages. the difference is its not a 'regular' desktop distro its a distro purpose made for valve's own devices. which means they prioritize shit like gpu drivers and test every update on every official steamos device (steamdeck, lenovo legion, now steamframe/machine)

running it is not much different from running something like atomic fedora (which i use on my laptop). you get most GUI shit from flatpaks, most cli stuff from homebrew and anything else you need from podman/toolbox containers

>>107192346
That's like the main selling point. Having a cable behind you while playing VR isn't great. The problem up until now was that wireless VR was a compromised experience in terms of quality, so the hopes with this new headset are that the foveated rendering & compression along with the dedicated streaming 6GHz radio they bundle in the box will actually provide a similar quality experience to a cable but while still giving you full freedom of movement.

>>107193082
wireless was just fine 5 years ago on the quest 2. bumping the bitrate,improving encoding,reducing latency is great but even if none of that shit improved for 5 years we'd be just fine with 100-200MBPS video

>>107188532 (OP)
>Valve fixed Arch Linux ARM
woah

>>107193112
I think it was "just fine" for questlets who only got to experience extremely low quality native headset games or compression nuked PCVR, but not actual PCVR on a good headset with a real, lossless video connection. Hopefully the optimizations they're putting in this thing will bring the experience closer to the latter, that's the whole point.

>>107188671
Its one thing to be trans, but the haircut bro..
that haircut..

>>107188901
AR is the next big thing, not VR

>>107188532 (OP)
>Just like 8 translation layers, then you can finally game on this weak ass Snapdragon mobile chip
How not impressed I am.

>>107193263
its 2 layers at most (x86 to arm, windows to linux)

>>107188671
For me, it's the indian looking chick in the white shirt
>I'll also take the trannie in the middle with the women's soccer player haircut

I might buy one of these and finally dip my toe into VR Porn.

>>107193311
i hope you have storage space those torrents are 20-50gb per scene if you want 2700p-4096p

>Another mobile gayming headset without a mini HDMI port
Disappointing, I was hoping for an improved Index not Valve competing with Pico and Meta on the slop market
The only good thing about this headset is that they'll be a load of cheap second hand Indexes on eBay

>>107193324
I have a 30tb NAS that's only half full so I'll be fine. And about 4tb of free space on the SSD's on my main PC so I could always put stuff on that if it needs to stream off a more powerful system.

>>107188532 (OP)
that headset has a better chip than my s23 ultra wtf

>>107193300
Don't forget that it has to process the internal cameras to track your eyes, send that over WiFi to the GPU which is waiting to know what zones to fully render, then send the image back over WiFi
All that is going to introduce frame lag, which can cause motion sickness

>>107193362
nah streaming it from sata HDDs is fine ive been using one of those noisy ones marketed to security camera footage servers.
>>107193380
its basically an S24
going with a phone SOC makes me think they could do periodic upgrades like launch new versions every 2-3 years with better screens/processing

>>107193381
I'm pretty sure the foveat thing, which will be prolly just send 2 float numbers, will happen during the streaming, inside the adapter, and not in your PC. It's to decrease streaming latency, not to improve GPU frametime.

By pretty sure I mean I've just come up with that in my retarded mind.

>>107193263
They very clearly state that this is a streaming-first device. The "local" game running capability is just a side bonus, or at least anyone looking to buy one of these things should look at it as a side bonus or risk extreme disappointment. It's just there so you can play some 2D indie sidescroller on a projected VR screen and shit like that, shouldn't expect anything more.

>>107188532 (OP)
This might be a nice hackerino setup combined with my bluetooth HHKB... I'm not that interested in gaming but being able to look at my MCAD projects in 3D is appealing to me.
Let's hope we finally get some googles that are comfy and run great on machines running GNU/Linux.

'rame on my 'ace
'eck on my 'ick

>>107188532 (OP)
the weight of 180 grams is great, 3x less than quest 3 that already feels nice
though rest of spec wise its just a quest 3, the none color passthrough is weird decisions

>>107188532 (OP)
I'm hyped. Fuck you.

>>107193381
No it works. It's been in a steam VR beta for a while. It reduces latency because you can send a better looking image with less bandwidth and less to decode.

I did read the virtual desktop guy said foveated rendering, not encoding/streaming, has a latency problem with wireless PCVR though. He said it's because the encoding comes after rendering so it's more recent and can work more recent eyetracking data unlike the rendering.

>>107196926
Based:
ARM Linux PC that translates x86 windows games, sideload android APKs
Eyetracking with foveated encoding and a wifi 6e USB dongle in box
Lightweight, 185g eyepiece + additional facial interface/audio weight. Quest is ~500grams with no strap
TMR Joysticks, knuckle straps and capacative finger tracking survived
microsd expandable storage
copium front expansion port so you can imagine the headset acquiring any feature its missing

Cringe:
2160p LCD, not even mini led backlight
Valve refused comment on converting flat games to stereo 3D
No controllerless hand tracking when you can just get a quest 3
Quest 2 tier black & white IR passthrough
One Valve guy confirmed there's no 1st party VR game
Frame can't run ALYX standalone
No tightnening wheel adjustment for headstrap, zuck tier buckle loops
copium front expansion port so you can imagine the headset acquiring any feature its missing

>>107196926
thatrs a Q1

>>107189001
Blacks look terrible no matter how close or far they are. And they smell worse.

>>107188662
Is it even standalone? Isn't the point seamless steamVR? For instance I have a quest 2 and literally turn it on and launch steam, it just needs good enough specs to decode the video and handle io

>>107188671
>>107190171
Ah yes the well known attractive and wealthy demographic of *checks notes* video game enthusiasts.

>>107188532 (OP)
Yes. I already use AR glasses with my laptop. Being able to ditch the laptop and just have the goggles and a keyboard (and maybe a 200WH battery pack) would be amazing.

>>107199785
It's literally an arch Linux PC you strap to your face. This is the best portable computer released in the last 10 years. People have no idea how big a deal this is.

>>107200008
nreal air?
i think quest 3 with immersed would be a better idea than this for your use case

>>107200057
>quest 3
This does not run a single thing I want while also being way bulkier. Why the fuck do you think that would be better?
Can I run a compiler on it? Can I run my window manager? Can I not have to deal with all the non-free facebook crap?

Nope.

God damn why do people think this way?

>>107200074
i mean for connecting to your laptop via immersed

as for the frame its steamos so you probably wont be able to run the window managers and compilers you want on it since the package manager is locked down.

you can probably install a compiler with homebrew and run other desktops inside podman which comes with steamos but who knows how jank that setup will be with valve's VR window manager

>>107200144
>i mean for connecting to your laptop via immersed
If I'm just running a text editor and compiler I shouldn't need a whole laptop. Most of my apps use less than a gig of ram and the big stuff I'd definitely prefer to do over ssh .

>>107200144
>but who knows how jank that setup will be
I highly doubt it can get any more jank than whatever bullshit people are coping with on modern Android.

>>107200215
if its just terminal shit any android vr headset can run it same as android phones , took pic just not with my mechanical keyboard connected via dongle (but it can also run over BT)

thank god for based gaben

I have a Meta Quest 3 and its shite

Meta even stopped people installing third party apks, totally fucking shit device, worthless.

>>107200454
>Meta even stopped people installing third party apks
wtf
cant believe ive considered buying one. at this pace we'll need a steamphone in a few years since google is destroying android

>>107200533
>steamphone
Just buy the headset and carry a WiFi hotspot. Walk around with it hibernated on your forehead like sunglasses and flip it down to check your tests.

>>107200548
i mean since google plans to start enshittifying/making android unusable and valve now has experience in developing for ARM/qualcomm SOCs the next logical step is steamos touch. basically what ubuntu touch and many such projects failed to achieve.

but first i think since theyre on a translation/emulation grind and have world-class experts in it the next logical step IMO is making the steam android app actually run windows pc games with a translation layer. they have a chance to nuke google's shitty appstore overnight

>>107200611
they've reversed that decision now

you should just buy an iPhone though, the experience bar installing third party apps is vastly better

>>107200796
>buying appleslop
nah bro theyre even worse, google is probably trying to enshittify android to be on apple's level

>>107199785
It's designed streaming-first but there is a standalone mode.

>>107188758
Forgot the vegetable