Thread 107198225

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU
Gaming: 14600K, 9/7600X, 7800X3D
-Budget: 12400, 12600K, 7500F
Workstation: 265K, 285K, 9950X3D

*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5
*On Raptor Lake microcode updates should be considered mandatory, avoid second-hand

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, MX-4, Duronaut

>RAM
*Prices and therefore recommendations are for the time being in flux
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AM5), 6400CL32 (LGA 1700)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget.), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8gb (~$270)
-Used: 2060 Super, 2070, 2080ti
*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p
Midrange: 5060ti 16GB, 5070
-Used: 3080, 3080ti, 4070 (~$380)
4k : 5070ti, 9070xt
-Native: 5090

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X7
1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), ASUS XG27AQWMG (WOLED)
4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch? 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
Redstone "Ray Regeneration" is in Black Ops 7
New Steam hardware

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Omissions
-9800X3D: ~10% improvement in gaming over a 7800X3D (which is still in production)
-9060xt 16gb: Performance variable compared to 5060ti, consider cheaper second hand options like the 3080
-9070: Currently more expensive than the 5070
-Q27G40XMN: Early shipments had firmware that effected local dimming with no way to update, otherwise considered a great monitor for the price.
-"Futureproofing": Nvidia gpus in general have been aging better than Radeon regardless of vram or marginal differences in raw performance

Leave any constructive suggestions for edits to the op. Is slowly being worked on.

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>>107198244
>2026 launch?
waitfags LOSTED
50-series buyers fucking WONNERED

>Steam machine
What's the fucking point? Just build your own pc.

>>107198275
Assuming it costs 500-600 euro, you really can't get a PC in that same form factor, with similar specs, for a similar price.

Heya, still trying to get a gaming rig going (minus the gpu which will get replaced later, the SSD stays.)
For 1k euro shekels, am from germany.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d27kVF

With some of your guy's suggestions, I got this far.

Any case recommendations that don't have glass panels? I'm really not a big fan of those. Also ram would be helpful too. If it's slightly above budget that's fine.

>>107198275
I think it looks good and was planning on doing a mini ITX build anyways. if it's priced well, might as well.

>>107198309
If you want a gamble, you can get a 9800X3D from AliExpress.

As for cases, Fractal North Mesh is pretty good. A lot of cases have mesh options these days.

I bought a second 7900XTX for AI. Thoughts on my poor buying habits?

>>107198349
>AMD for AI
bless your sovl

>>107198354
https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/discussions/10879
Until the 9700 can be obtained by mortals the 7900XTX is still the secret OP GPU for llama.cpp.

anons I cant decide
do I buy the 9070 xt Nitro or Mercury OC?
>more silent fans
>$50 cheaper
>nice design
>but 12 vhpwr

Mercury
>3x8 pin
>better thermals
>even better design
>but larger
>$50 more expensive
>louder

Ill be putting my pc on my desk so I am not sure which one to go with

>>107198275
the answer to that will depend entirely on the price, it could be either a novelty toy or a godsend to the poor

>>107198406
gabe is buying a literal yacht factory he is not about to send gifts to the poor

>5070ti + 9800x3d + 1440p 144hz monitor, arriving tomorrow
First build in my life where I actually had money to buy something nice.
Upgrading from a 1060 6gb + 2600x.
What am I in for bros?

>>107198442
wew that's a step up

>>107198442
>>107198464
a step up to driver issues city

>>107198412
well that explains valve's stick up the ass and them shitting out all these products i guess gaben needs more boat making money before he makes money making boats

>>107198398
3x8 is a pain in the ass to get a PSU for if you're looking to buy multiple.

What is the best am5 ITX motherboard? I'm thinking about the Asus B850-I for my 9950x3d.
I don't want any dongle or daughterboard bullshit.

>>107198534
>am5 ITX motherboard?
there are like 3

>>107198293
If you were willing to buy a used GPU and settle for the slightly larger μATX form factor you could build a 500USD PC that's equivalent to a PS5 and by extension better than a ValveBox a year ago and prices for aging hardware have only dropped in the meantime.

>>107198541
>slightly larger μATX form factor
So not the same?

has there been ANY progress on manufacturing costs of microled? I'm not buying a fucking OLED

>Considering Linux
>See Pic related
>Instant NO
any other alternatives? I'm just sick of windows...

>>107198558
Why do you retards exist? Buy slop boxes if you're a gaming schizo. People buy PCs for more than just bing bing wahoo. Last time I checked schizoids like Nintendo don't even allow you to use a web browser on their shit let alone allow you to write software for it.

>>107198558
this lmao
obnoxious anon BTFO

>>107198593
Mac if you get a lobotomy and stop caring about "doing" things with your devices and more about "having" the devices.

>>107198593
just avoid jeet distros i.e ubuntu and you'll be fine

>>107198442
which 5070ti did you buy?
I can't decide

I'm going to install bazzite on my new build, what am I in for?

>>107198875
Disappointment and frustration

It was pretty confusing to test my aliexpress 7800x3d when the mobo setup asks "do you want x3d boost, it boosts ur x3d??" and I obv click yes I do want boosts for my 3d's
turns out that disables multithreading so cinebench goes "oh 8 cores with 8 threads" and the score was shit, but it behaves normally with x3d boost disabled

either my cpu is poorly binned or my air cooler is struggling but it immediately jumps to throttling temps when you run CB with 16 threads

870e still the latest amd mobos?

>>107198889
>or my air cooler is struggling but it immediately jumps to throttling temps
yeah you're not realistically cooling that at full load with an air cooler. AIO buyers are god

>>107198889
if you set ppt/tdc/edc to mobo default then yeah it will hit tjmax in cinebench or any shader compiling scenario.

>>107198924
Which is funny, because you can actually cool a 9800x3d with a air cooler.

>>107198875
meme os

>>107198943
not really, thats the whole reason people buy that over a much cheaper 7800x3d
you know, the x3d is under the ccd which helps everything

>AMD puts out a new driver
>already seeing people say there's issues like it just completely breaking Adrenalin, even if you roll back

>>107198955
works on my machine
amd says use their clean install tool if you have any issues. stop using ddu.

>>107198972
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html

What are some decent usb microphones? The cloth filter fell off my headset mic so it sounds worse + my motherboard doesn't seem to have a lot of shielding so there's interference on aux in.

>>107198972
>stop using ddu.
>use amd ddu

I got an OLED monitor a few days ago and HDR has been a mess. So first of all i learned that despite my oled being able to do HDR 1000, if i have it enabled, just browsing websites or other such content, depending on how much white there is, it will get brighter or dimmer. A full screen 4chan burichan theme page is dimmer than my IPS SDR monitor. Also, HDR1000 displays blacks incorrectly as they are twice as bright, and you should only be running it in HDR400.
After that, it also turns out windows has auto HDR, with no real penalty to performance in games, but it's not super accurate. Using nvidias RTX HDR makes SDR content have a lot more proper detail of how HDR is supposed to look, but i also lose between 8-20% in framerate with it on (more if i turn on rtx sharpen+).
I cant believe how much of a god damn headache OLED and HDR turned out to be.

>>107198593
Brother, Microsoft is RAN by a jeet.

>>107199043
si

>>107199046
>I cant believe how much of a god damn headache OLED and HDR turned out to be.
Really? It's literally never been nothing but a nightmare

>>107199046
rtx hdr is good for lower fidelity games, I couldnt run something like cp at 4k with it, the video hdr is a more useful feature. Some youtube videos look retarded without it. color banding and such
The dimming issue is such that you may want to keep the lower max nits modes in regular use

Is the 9060xt 16gb paired with 7800x3d good for 1440p gaymen? I mostly play wow(lol) poe2, tw warhammer 3 and tarkov. I also want to try ack raiders and maybe fuck around with streaming

>>107199066
Never looked into it before, but the OLED monitor that was sold here on newegg for 399 was tempting. Like, HDR does look nice in games when it works, but this just feels so fucking broken. Windows having the SDR slider with no explanation of what to set it is also a choice.
>>107199072
Yeah im still not really sure if im supposed to be using the ingame HDR10 thing in cyberpuk2077, or turning it off and running RTX hdr.

can anyone who jumped from 4090 to 5090 say if it was worth it?

>>107199079
> if im supposed to be using the ingame HDR10 thing in cyberpuk2077, or turning it off and running RTX hdr.
Well if the game has proper hdr implementation you'd always use that over post-processing sdr

>>107199074
Probably be better off with a 5060ti
9060xt would work though

>>107199086
do people who buy 90s really upgrade after one generation?

how much could I sell a used 2080 for right now?

>>107199086
no it wasnt worth it

>>107199086
If you have to ask probably not

>>107199116
Will depend on local market, probably not anymore than 180/190
Online you already have the 2080ti going for that pretty frequently.

>>107199116
just wait it'll be worth double next year

>>107199150
that makes no sense it's just a shitty 2080

>>107199157
there will be a gpu shortage next year

>>107199170
not for fucking 8gb models, there is a sea of those already out there

>>107198309
>>107198327

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dTcdKq

This is how far I got but I'm a bit too much above the budget (1k Euros), I do want the 9800x3d to stay.

Which parts should I get now and which parts should i wait on for a sale? (Germany)

Also if anyone has part suggestions, I'm all ears.

when will waiting work

>>107199177
why the x3d?

>>107198244
> RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch?
Yes, earliest in Q3.

idk what game to play on my new rtx 5080

>ram is now more expensive than mobos
what a fucking retarded timeline
what's next for the AI takeover? are they gonna start daisy chaining power supplies?

>>107199206
Anno 117

>>107198955
The funniest thing is that they did put RDNA2 in the maintenance branch with polaris and vega lmao, they just combined both on the same download so tech illiterate retards that watch amd unboxed think they backtracked

>>107199239
that's very convenient for me, I can use my Vega and RDNA2 without reinstalling drivers every time I switch

>>107199112
I feel no need yet. Maybe when upgrading fom 4k to 5k2k display one day.

>>107199206
Team Fortress 2

>>107199239
this shit still says ati lmao

>>107199206
arc raiders, Palworld, Helldivers 2. Arc and HD2 look amazing on pc. HD2 in particular, i love their lighting and physics engine.

>>107198244
>RDNA 2 in maintenance branch
>Redstone Ray regeneration actually decrease performance instead of increasing it in the new cod
AMDbros is over...

>>107199046
Just disable ABL.
>Also, HDR1000 displays blacks incorrectly as they are twice as bright, and you should only be running it in HDR400
Never heard of this issue. In fact, the problem (with WOLEDS) is usually black crushing.

>>107199112
If you can afford a 90s in the first place you basically have the money to do that

>>107199206
path traced cp obviously

>>107199192
Futureproofing

>>107198875
just werkz for games and normal PC tasks
but if you have to install anything that's not in steam or the bazzite software "store" as a linux newbie you will be in pain

>>107199206
Modded skyrim with 8k textures and the mod that runs a local chatbot directly into your companion/npcs

>>107199283
its a legacy thing

>>107199046
Oled looks incredible even without HDR. I've had mine for a couple weeks and haven't even turned it on yet. But you aren't supposed to have it on 24/7, why the fuck are you using it while browsing 4chan?

>>107199315
>if you have to install anything that's not in steam or the bazzite software "store"
Such as? Using simple git bash for work is the peak of my OS engagement so I'm a total noob here.

>>107199274
Good idea.

>>107198889
That's normal for a 7800x3d, it's just a really hot chip

>>107199460
should've bought the 9800x3d then

>>107199292
Monitor seems to have ABL low/med/high, no real off option. It's an MO27Q2.
>>107199337
Having to switch modes every time i play a game seems really odd to me. Like how is it not something windows does auto? Why do i have to force HDR off?

>>107198225 (OP)
Are those HDDs just not connected to anything?

>>107199476
I dunno, HDR feels like a gimmick to me, might never use it desu. When I asked about it here I was l linked a bunch of super nerdy guides and told I need all this third party software and every game needs unique tweaking for it to maybe sometimes work if it rained last thursday. Honestly feels like way more bullshit than it's worth.

Any keyboard/mouse things worth recommending, I mainly see the logi k400 around but wondering if theres anything else that decent, ideally connects over 2.4 dongle rather than bluetooth.

What does this thread think about the 4060 now going for $200 used?

>>107199519
Id rather get a gpu that can run videogames at many fps

when will the 9800x3d go on sale

>>107199568
Its price is dropping almost every day

>>107199568
Check newegg daily but the main black friday sales usually start on the 20th.

>>107199463
9800x3d also runs even hotter in cinebench because it runs at much higher voltages and constant 5225mhz clockspeed

>>107199493
I just tested it and with HDR on ingame from off, it really does look a lot nicer. The issue is just desktop mode.
If i have HDR on, and go to this page:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
No matter how i slide SDR content brightness, the first few squares are clearly visible. However, if i disable HDR, the first square is not visible and it's how it should be.

Aldehayyat said that affordability is a factor Valve considers heavily every time it introduces a new piece of hardware. When it comes to the Steam Machine, it's planning to make it as affordable as possible.

"If you're trying to make a PC that has similar features and similar performance, I think the Steam Machine is going to be a really competitive price to that and provide really good value to it. The affordability piece you mentioned is one of the reasons why we think a Steam Machine makes a lot of sense right now. So it's just something that we thought about every time we made a hardware decision, a feature decision, is to make sure that we keep it as approachable, as affordable as possible," said Aldehayyat

>>107199519
I'd ask for evidence

>>107199568
when you don't have the money for it

>>107199605
Valve has very little leverage when it comes to sourcing memory chips & storage drives at a price they want.
They waited™ too long to launch the Steam Machine.

Okay so my case didn't come with screws for mounting my video card. I've read that #6-32 screws are typical, but the #6-32 screws I got from Home Depot are too large. I then tried to use one of the screws that I used to mount the PSU, the threads are apparently wrong.
Not sure what to do now, but I am seriously considering taking a drill to the stupid thing and using nuts or zip ties to fasten the card instead. Anyone else have a better idea?

>>107199795
What is your case?

>bought 32gb cl36 6000 for $229
>could have saved $150 if I bought 1 month ago

>>107199813
Antec NX200M. I checked the product's page but couldn't find any details about the screws.

I await the next Masterpiece from Gamdias

They can't be beat on innovation

>>107199846
There are some PC building screw sets available online; the Antec case is probably using one of these standardized screws.
https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Computer-Motherboard-Standoffs-Mounting/dp/B0DG2LFJP5

>>107199885
everyone really needs one of those kits just in case of shit like this. They're cheap and can save your ass in a pinch.

Microcenter can you drop the fucking price of 7900xtx's please, I can see you have 30+ in stock not moving...

best long-lasting keyboard mouse pad? was thinking the Razer Strider Hybrid

>>107199885
>>107199894
I saw one of those but getting a 400-piece set seems pretty wasteful. I've been building my own systems since like 1998 and this is the first time I've had to go looking for screws like this.
But I was going to order some RAM anyway, may as well toss that in. Thanks for the input.

>>107199476
>Monitor seems to have ABL low/med/high
Go into the service menu

>>107199835
>32gb cl36 6000 for $229
Wtf, I bought 32gb 6000mhz CL30 for 189 3 days ago. It was a XPG lancer with gay RGB, too.

>>107199975
every time any kit gets restocked the price goes up

>>107199975
64 GB of Patriot Viper Steel was on BHphotovideo for like $240 yesterday. It's $470 now. My stupid ass just had to wait.

>>107199954
There's a 10 pc screw set, but it's the same 6-32 screw you mentioned.
https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Case-Thumb-Screws-10PCS/dp/B0DMT2VHYG

>>107199981
Its going to hit $300 by black friday at this rate
>>107200000
>he waited

>>107199585
>black friday sales usually start on the 20th.
Is it even a good idea to wait?

just keep on waiting goy

>>107200018
For CPUs, yeah.

>>107200011
Oh yeah, I tried those too, but the head is too big to get the screw in. I'll just get the 400-piece and hope one of them fits. If not, it's drill time.

>>107199177
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dTcdKq
with a 3070 you will be gpu bottlenecked with even a low end zen 4 ryzen so either get a better gpu or get a better deal on your ryzen 7 9800x3d or wait for zen 6 for a massive preformance uplift.

>>107199947
>long-lasting keyboard mouse pad
Why would you brandfag for this stupid shit that will last forever unless it's some temu garbage? I have one from some no name European office supply brand that cost me 20 bucks and has lasted years. Why would you pay a GAMING EDITION upcharge for a plain black cloth mat?

>>107200108
idk seems high quality

>bought 2x32GB 6000cl30 ram 2 months ago
>paid €240
>is now €550
Waitbabs... it's over...

>>107199947
https://specterlabs.co/

>>107200176
which ram factory flooded now?

>>107200146
Get the QcK XXL Heavy. It feels great on your forearm and your mouse will glide smoothly.

>>107200019
Yes I will, thank you rabbi

>>107200176
>€

>>107200176
Paid 200 american dollerydoos for 64gb of gskill flare ram during amazon prime day last month. Now it's over 500 dollars lmao. This world has gone insane I wake up every day expecting the sky to be purple and cows to fly.

>>107200194
that's 0.86€ for you yank

>>107199932
Seems to me like they're doing you a favor, preventing you from buying that trash heap

I was waiting for Intel Titan Lake (no more e-cores) & Arc Druid anyway.

can I get advice on 1440p monitors?
gonna do video editing and gaming
I looked at the ktc in the OP but it seems to have severe blooming issues
right now im between the aoc q27g3 and the xiaomi g pro 27i (both miniLed)
the xiaomi is chinese part lottery (if you get a good monitor its really good it seems but its a toss up), the aoc seems more consistent but it has less dimming zones i think
I'm ok with non mini Led ips, no Oleds cause I want this to last as much as my pc but mainly cause im sensible to fringing (i notice it too much) and many oleds have that issue

>>107199074
PC gaming = Nvidia
Console gaming = Radeon

>>107200232
I suggest an IPS monitor for video editing; VA monitors have worse viewing angles.
Samsung G50D @ $200 is one of the better deals in the US.
Dell Alienware AW2725DM @ $190, but I would check owner feedback since Dell has been selling worse entry-level 1440p gaming monitors since the G2724D.

ASUS XG27ACG was discounted to $200 last night; maybe the sales offer will return.
XG27ACS has a more aggressive matte panel finish than the -ACG, the rest of the features are the same, with some differences in hardware (-ACG has an external power brick and RGB backlight).

You shouldn't have to pay over $220 for these monitors when they're discounted.

>>107198275
Trojan horse for SteamOS

>>107199592
>if i disable HDR, the first square is not visible and it's how it should be.
You should be able to distinguish the first square, if only barely, in SDR mode. On Windows, the incorrect gamma curve used when compositing SDR content into HDR space will inadvertently raise black levels to where the first square is likely to be quite a lot brighter than black. I had this issue when playing Phasmophobia, where maps that weren't purely pitch-black would become very easy to navigate in the dark, even without a flashlight.
There's nothing you can do about it in HDR mode, but you could try to install a custom ICC profile that corrects the issue. Or you can wait for Microsoft to fix it (lol) or install a different OS (lmao).

>>107198244
>PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)
I just bought a PNY 5070ti :( i was so on the fence on what to get, and now im a bit worried :(

>>107200318
don't worry

>>107200318
Just stress test it when it arrives. PNY has good RMA if there's any issue.

>>107200288
I hate living in this shithole (Mexico)
all those monitors are around 300 usd
the acg is closer to 350
the acs is the most available and about 300 (with ""discount"" lmao)
would the acS be a good choice or do I but the bullet on the acG?

this is nuts everything i wishlist just goes out of stock the next day driving me mad

>>107199874
Can't wait to put my fish in these.

I can get this for 100 which is cheaper than the 850x I was looking at is this a good PSU?

MSI MPG A850GS PCIE5 850 W

>>107200379
I would get the -ACS if it's cheaper; that monitor got good reviews, and it has the same feature set as the -ACG.
Do more local research, see if you can find the G2724D at a cheaper price.

>>107200441
MSI, Asus, Corsair, they all use the propriety hardware of all PSUs.
I forgot what the company was called but they're like the NVIDIA or AMD of PSUs. Other brands just take what they have and slap in new shit on it.
But yeah, MSI makes decent PSUs. Just check the reviews if it blows up or not.

>>107200441
Check the SPL tierlist.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/
>>107200512
you can see who the ODM/OEM of the PSUs are on the list

>>107200524
It has an A rating but I have no idea what semi-digital is supposed to mean in the notes for it

>>107195997
That is if you have a motherboard speaker that plug into your board on the front case pinout.

https://www.newegg.com/p/19S-0899-00001?item=9SIAKVEGTJ5835&utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googleadwords-_-accessories%20-%20motherboards-_-orange%20juice%20technology-_-9SIAKVEGTJ5835&source=region&srsltid=AfmBOoq4Pf4vgN6JEa8OlR4BrlgY4PuFKvC-LV5wj8icJyB5j87PxdCBIYQ

>>107200441
wait it's got 2 12x2-6? What was MSI planning to do with two of those on an 850W PSU? One is a spare?

>>107200232
oled for video editing. You get perfect blacks and aren't wondering what dark scenes really look like because of the shitty ips panel.

Nvidia just dropped a whole course on Neural Shading
https://youtu.be/ZHKayVNqosE
it's over for AMD

>>107200660
>b-b-but it's FAKE shading
>LOOK AT MY RASTER

>>107200660
There is no hype release until resident evil on february though, i expect CES to have a new DLSS feature announcement that runs on that game.

>>107200687
blackwell is gonna be the 20 series all over agair, isn'it?

My computer always POSTs 3 seconds after pressing the power button (based on the tweeter), but 10 days ago the computer took 30 seconds to POST (during that time the computer is all lit up with all fans spinning), and just today my computer took 30 seconds to POST. This is a random occurrence so I can't figure out what's delaying the POST. Should I be worried?

CPU: 5700X3D (brand new)
Motherboard: ASUS Prime X570-P (5 years old)
RAM: 16 GB (5 years old)
Crystal Disk Info didn't show any bad or failing drives

Better buy RAM now or wait till black friday?

>>107199046
You should not be running hdr on desktop + you did not calibrate hdr on windows with the hdr calibration thingy from windows store + the built in "sdr" slider
but yeah hdr is kinda meh regardless, but certain games look way better still idk

>>107199189
waiting meta died

>>107200176
can still find them for 300

>>107200921
Dont wait.

>Day3 TV Cope
Still wondering what's causing Windows 11 windows resizing/fullsizing causing full screen black flicker every time I change a window size, some times
what is this ?
GPU hardware scheduling? nobody has been able to answer this
does not drop connection just full screen black flicker
I mean that's plain unusable, not that I will continue using a tv either way, just wondering what the fuck this is

>>107201105
Have you tried disabling Multi-Plane Overlay ?

>>107201105
Is you tv VA?

>>107198244
>>107198225 (OP)
is that wifi card??

>>107201169
Yes.

>>107201105
omg double mousepads

>>107201105
video timing or refresh rate? have you ever tried to create a custom resolution/timings? i know this can be easily done with Nvidia drivers, dunno about others.

have you tried a different cable, i know it sounds dumb but weirder things have been known to cause problems.

Anons,
Should I get the KTC MP27 or instead get the MSI MAG 274URFW? I would put the extra $40 saved with the MSI towards an SSD. If the KTC is worth the extra $40 I don’t mind putting off the SSD for a week

>>107200176
>bought ram 2 1/2 weeks ago
>right the moment the prices were gonna shoot up
>actually was at €330 already
>someone on Amadong UK forgot to adjust the price
>got 2x32 cl30 corsairs for €250
feels good man

>Got new GPU
>Coil whine when move mouse
AHHHHH

>>107198275
alternative for techlet normies disillusioned by consoles
thats the point

Can I get Black Friday upgrade advice?

Currently have a Ryzen 5 5500 + rx 580 2048sp build with random 16gb ram and random (ssd) storage. I did not build this pc with the future in mind.

I need a new mobo, gpu, and cpu. I'd like to go AMD+Nvidia and have my sights set on a 5060, 5060 ti, or 5070 perhaps even a 4070 depending on which is best value after Thanksgiving.

The Ryzen naming scheme seems confusing and unintuitive. I mainly hope to get an (older) 8 core 16 thread cpu on black friday for $150. Should I be aiming for something else?

>>107198225 (OP)
intel or amd cpu for gemu/dawstation?
dont wanna burn my house down

>>107201424
9950x3d2 should launch in q1

>>107201365
oof.

>have tinnitus
>cannot tell if coil whine or the universe vibrating around me

>>107201434
Hopefully we'll get something soon EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnon

>>107201261
Do more research and pick the best of the two monitors if you can afford it.
An LCD monitor can last you a while.

>>107201365
Undervolting could lessen the coil whine.

>>107201419
I'd get 5070 unless you need the 5060 Ti 16GB for AI/blender/etc.
If your motherboard's in good condition, you could upgrade the CPU to a 5700X

>>107201482
It whines on the desktop/web browsing I am not sure undervolt would help.
Can't hear it when playing game due to audio anyway.

will the fractal design north w/ mesh case go on sale in the coming weeks or should I buy it now? currently $155 on amazon.

>>107201482
My motherboard is some poverty PCI 3.0 Asus mobo. I've read that PC 5.0 cards work on 3.0 and that there's only a minor performance loss. I have some shitty ONN monitors and am targeting 1080p 100fps. The games I play are pretty undemanding and i'm not super interested in AI but I guess it would be nice as an option.

A base 5060 would last me as a gamer well over 6 years. I really don't be playing a lot of games. I have to go nvidia though because of New Vegas Reloaded not being AMD friendly.

>>107201499
Return it and get a different model

>>107201169
>pci-e 4x
looks like 10gbit ethernet to me

>>107201515
If you have 3200MT/s DDR4 memory, you can get a 14600K and a DDR4 motherboard to save some money.
If you go AM5, a 7500F or 7600X is overkill for a 5060. Memory kits are expensive atm.
There's only around $20 difference between a 9600X and a 7600X in the US atm, you can also get a 7500F (no iGPU though) if you need to save some money.

I just picked the cheapest 2x16GB DDR5 6000MT/s kit in this list.
There is a black version of the HDV/M.2 board.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TjfYMC

If you want to avoid ASRock boards, I'd get this discounted B650 Aorus Elite V2.
You will need to know how to use the BIOS flashback feature to make it work with Ryzen 9000 CPUs.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KrWJ7P/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax-v2

>the ball is finally avaliable
>its too expensive for what is is
Hmmmm. Why dont the chinks just bootleg this shit.

>>107201504
Looks like you missed the $30 discount on B&H. They might offer it again during Black Friday.
Hard to say for sure, though. North is one of the best-selling PC cases at B&H.

>>107201365
If you don't want to replace the GPU, best thing you can do is put the PC in another room. Or even in a sound proof box, with fans of course.

so no rtx 5070 super?
day ruined
gonna stuck in rtx 3060 forever

>>107201894
I still use HDDs.

>>107200660
After autistically watching this series i came wondering what the fuck do cuda cores do, also based on this https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/compare/ You have the 5060 TI having 759 AI TOPS (Tensor cores) and a 5070 TI having 1406 AI TOPS while a freaking 4080 Super has 836 AI TOPS and the regular 4080 has 780 AI TOPS but the 5060 TI has 4608 cuda cores while a 4080 super has 9728 so how much faster will the blackwell cards be if this shit is not snake oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPlc1CLaZXw&t=570s

Thank you msi z97 pc mate. You have done well. Goodbye.

>>107201912
Let me put it in simpler terms for you:
>AMD smelly rotting milk
>Nvidia aromatic fine wine

>>107201912
cuda cores is just a marketing term for shaders
>>107201948
does it work with the new board?

>>107201948
Err... probably fine if I don't have standoffs.
2 screws at the top will do...

>>107201990
Please be patient I am a millennial boomer.

>>107201948
what happened? did the msi board died?

>>107201515
https://dlpnd.github.io/nvr-wiki/docs/intro
I don't see anything about not being amd friendly

>>107201966
The thing is basically with my limited understanding the difference is that cuda cores do matrix x vector while tensor cores do matrix x matrix, also RDNA 2 does not have Matrix Cores which do this kind of operation and the fact that AMD split the drivers makes me think its related to this. But if thats the case and Cuda cores which do matrix x vector multiplication are useless for neural shaders then you'll have a situation in which something like a 5060 ti will suddenly become twicve as fast as 4070?

>>107201515
you'll be good, just make sure the card you're getting is x16 and not a gimped x8

>>107201990
does this mean that if a game replaces regular shaders with only neural shaders that run on the AI tops a fucking 4080 will be around a 5060ti?

>>107202017
I think so. A couple of threads ago an anon showed me how to test the power and the psu is good but my fan wiggled so the board isn't getting power right.

>>107201515
Can you get a 16gb 5060 ti, the extra vram means it will need to rarely use your PCI express so you should never see the drop in performance hardware unboxed tested it and basically the 5060 TI 16GB was not broken with PCI 3.0 this is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEsSUPuvHI4 all the other cards you listed have 12 gb of vram so the PCI may fuck them over

Fucking hate this fan, man.
I watched 5 separate videos on how to install this "intuitive" thing.
The last pin never wants to go in.

>>107202027
I mean, more or less? Even without any technical knowledge one can come to the basic conclusion that if you have more of the specific hardware that a new software uses more of, and the new software is more efficient at the same job than old software, then it should run faster when a game or tool is fully utilizing the new softs.

>>107202059
gotta press it slow and tight also you'd want a beefier cooler for your 4790K in case you don't already have it

>>107202061
I hope is true then, i upgraded into blackwell

>>107201365
I only got coil whine whenever I hover the pointer over benchmark setup windows
>>107201894
still rolling some Gen 3 x4 half a TB SSD that I yoinked off of an XPS (boot drive). 4 other SATA SSDs for other purposes

>>107201894
I wish! My 905p is too fast to be replaced just yet

Just for funzies every port faces the other direction than my old mobile so 10 years of a cord bent in a certain direction, now I have to twist and fight it the other way.

>>107202068
Got it in.
If this pc works im gonna give it to my brother and get a new one on black Friday.

So uhh. Is this fine?

>>107202158
yea

>>107202158
cant fucking see shit, man. get a better picture

>>107202197
Can't. My phone camera protector smashed now it's greasy forever.
For what it's worth. The Samsung galaxy s9+ camera served me well.

Done.

Tight fit.

>>107202158
the tongue that sticks out of the board has to go between the two raised lines on the fan connector
connecting a 3 pin fan to 4 pin fan connector is fine

>>107202209
nice case design.

>>107202209
God damn it.
The fan wiggled again.
No life.

>>107202214
It's a corsair something.

>>107202228
Test with no gpu, integrated graphics, only power button connected, no usb, no audio, no led

>>107202250
no sata connected either

>>107202250
Fan wiggle.

>>107202257
Same. Fan wiggled.

I'm guessing the cpu is dead?
It wouldn't surprise me. The reason why I'm doing all of this is because it was overheating and I never reapplied thermal paste.
I have nothing against getting another gen4 intel for less than $100.
... I smelled burning for a couple of days in my room after the initial shut off too.

>>107202268
>>107202276
It's behaving as if there's a short somewhere. It's trying to turn on and either the psu or motherboard detects something is off and turning immediately back off.

>>107202290
Haswell refresh i5-4590s and similar are $5 used if you want to keep throwing parts at it. i3s and i7s are not worth buying imo.

>>107202296
I even took out the ram.
I'm using my old power cord...
If my old psu also died do you think that could have anything to do with it?

>>107202307
Good idea. Now I'm interested.
I can even get a new fan since it's only $35 anyway.

>>107202317
It's possible the power supply going out sent a voltage spike to the cpu.
I know a guy who fried a 4770 just by changing some voltage setting in the bios trying to overclock it.

>>107202328
Haswell chips are insanely efficient, they do not benefit from fancy heatsinks. I ran y-cruncher on a 4790 and the power draw was 50W...

>>107202347
that's with MCE on for the quiet readers who may judge me in their heads

My top picks for monitors
AOC Q27G3XMN
Asus XG27ACG
Gigabyte M27QA
probably gonna go for the AOC, unless I can find the Asus or Gigabyte for significantly cheaper (all around $270 at the moment)
Any other considerations?

>>107202335
It's gotta be it.
Overheating.
No thermal paste in 10 years.
Burning smell.
When it did work I checked the temp and it was 81C and over.
Dead old psu.

Would be a testament to the mobo if I put the old one back in and it still works.

>>107202370
true that. very hard to diagnose issues without having different spares laying around.
hope you didn't pay too much for the new motherboard.

>>107202366
>Gigabyte M27QA
I have one. It's meh. Too expensive for my liking. Speakers are also ass. It pops whenever you turn on your PC. And you can't do anything with it because it's connected using HDMI or DP.

>>107199177
i mean if you chose thos pieces manually then it is what it is
The psu is pretty expensive, you can get an A- psu according to the tier list for 101€ (montech century II)
Thats an expensive as fuck case if you are on a budget, but you obviously hand picked it.
The rest of the pieces seem to come from that cheapest list i gave you last thread so can't really cut anything there other than going to a b650 and get a 130€ mobo to save 15€ but if you mentioned future proofing on the chip i assume that 15€ for a simply more modern board seems reasonable.
And then there is the chip which could save you 80€ with a 7800x3d but you already knew that.
TLDR cheaper psu, cheaper case if you want to get to your budget, other than that raise your budget to 1100.
Cheers anon

>>107202381
Ehh $60. It's fine. Who knows? Maybe I try the old one and it doesn't work.
Otherwise the new one can sit in a box until something else happens.
I'm not resourceful enough to turn it into a box that does something for movies or games though.

In any case this went from frustrating a month ago to fun diagnosing and relearning how to out things together.
Thank you, anons. I couldn't have done it without you.
I'll say a prayer for all of you ITT.

>>107181806
Literally 3€ more expensive today than it was yesterday and it keeps marching on

Scary part about RAM and SSDs is if the datacenter bubble does not pop in the next 12 months, these prices will be considered affordable as they become virtually unavailable in the consumer market outside of pre-built PCs.

Actually. I can take my friend's cpu and give that a go.
He had an old pile with a 1660 in it. That's where I got the power supply.

>>107200904
pls respond.

I checked the RAM via Memtest, and they all Pass after 4 passes.

i have a dumb question
both the mother board and the nvme have heat sinks
i use the mobo's right?

>>107202596
There is no general answer. Sometimes the motherboard sink is a giant slab that works well, sometimes its a giant slab that works worse than an aftermarket one. Just give both a try, or consider whichever has the looks you prefer.

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Rpr9b2
Did I do good? Got everything but the cpu, might just wait for a discount on black friday at this point

>>107202579
You should not be worried.

>my system takes at least 60 seconds or more to POST and show the Windows boot animation

>>107202656
What's generally the main cause of the slow POST though?

>>107202652
it looks good Luigi

>>107202659
hardware doing it's thing. it's going to be specific to your combination of hardware.

if it's working normally otherwise don't mess with anything, you're likely to bork it if you are asking questions like this.

>>107202695
Fair enough, Anon. I hope it's nothing big like my motherboard is old, or one of the parts are broken.

>>107202579
Did you disable quick boot? Or w/e it's called.
Shutting down computers don't actually shut it down but it enters a hibernation state. If it's disabled then whenever you shut down your PC then it actually shuts down and unloads the RAM. If it's enabled everything is saved in the RAM, making booting up again faster.

>>107202718
I don't recall enabling such setting. After installing the CPU and swapped the CMOS battery, I only enabled the XMP(?) profile for the RAM and left everything else as is. My computer doesn't boot fast per se. The computer is just quick to POST around 3-4 seconds after pressing the power button, but on two occasions (10 days apart), it took 30 seconds to POST.

>>107202718
good heavens. disable hibernation on modern hardware, kids. it's a waste of disk space.

sleep and resume is where it's at.

>>107202740
I prefer hibernation. Sleep sucks.

Please turn off your computers.

Please compute off your sleep.

>living with parents
>renting a co-op
>utilities all included in the rent
>$1,100/mo total
nah, im good at leaving my pc and other shit on 24/7.

trying to manage my cpu and maybe I should limit the wattage in the bios and it'd be quiter
Apparently gigabyte wants me to put 750w limit to it

who the fuck uses milliwatts anyway, everyone else has watts and amps

I've left my pcs on at night for like 20 years is that bad for them

>>107202833
putting the pc to sleep is fine and has no downsides

>no used 4070 ti supers around
>5070ti for 800 euros and more
>my 3060ti already struggling

what the fuck I do at this point

>>107202879
Play in 1080p, retard

>>107202879
5070's were pretty cheap on sale and it'd be a reasonable upgrade over 3060

>>107198593
What is China even using if not Linux

>>107202903
windows

>>107199314
need more than 8c for that

>>107199337
>Oled looks incredible
>had mine for a couple weeks and haven't even turned it on yet
S-sasuga. This is the power of OLED technology.

2 weeks until black Friday. You BETTER be waiting to click checkout

I'm Canadian. We don't have black Fridays. We just have regular Fridays.

>first crypto
>now AI
What will the next hyped up stupid bullshit technology that will ruin PC part prices will be?

>>107203003
>I'm Canadian.
Why? Are you Indian? Do you at least have cyber Monday there?

>>107198225 (OP)
Silverstone FT-03 M-ATX case interior

>>107202879
You paid for dlss might as well use it you know. I mean upscaling not fake frames

>>107203003
>We don't have black Fridays
We do in BC

>>107202879
stalk geizhals for a deal

Are people still whinging about 12VHPWR cables? I remember a few years ago people were saying it could burn down your house but tons of people own 50 series cards and I haven't seen nearly as much buzz about it these days

AliExpress 9800X3D arrived.

I know they can relid these things, but until I can get the other parts, at least the lid seems genuine?
No obvious evidence of it being re-lidded or anything.

>>107203137
9/10 times if it burns you won't know until you remove the cable and nobody's removing their GPUs when rtx6000 isn't out

>>107203043
>Are you Indian
Fuck no.
I'm worse, I'm [spoiler]Filipino[/spoiler].

>>107202879
im on a 3060TI and i dont see it struggle.... @1080p :X
I can play at 1440p on medium roughly depending of the game or on 1080p maxxed
Until i get a legit good deal on a 5070TI im not even looking at the market, that or this thing catches on fire

>>107203141
looks neat anon, i was ready to purchase one when you posted it a couple days ago but i couldnt get the same coupon you were getting so it was an extra 50€ and at that point might as well wait or purchase one with warranty
but im rooting for them to be good, would love to have access to slightly cheaper parts

i still cannot decide between a 1440p 34" ultrawide monitor or a 4k 27" monitor

Saw an amazon ad on tv today that the black friday deals over there start on thursday
Are we ready for -7% discount on a random cooler and -4% on a projector?

Ngl seeing the price of oleds and what they can do makes them super tempting, but the fact that there's even a slight chance of the e621 logo being permanently engrained onto my monitor kills any desire I have for one

>>107203268
Then don't buy one. I always treat electronics as something you replace. If you don't have the money to replace it in 5 years then it's not worth buying.

>>107203268
pholed will save oled tech in the next few years,
hopefully burn will be a thing of the distant past after that.

>>107203303
You guys said that same thing about microled. Where the fuck is it

>>107203327
i don't think that i ever said anything about microled

rec me big case without homo rgb lights prease

>>107203421
my Dark Base 701 is pretty solid, it has rgb but it's not of the homo kind.

>>107203421
SHARKOON VS9

>>107203434
not that guy but is it even possible to buy a decent case these days that doesnt have the glass panels
fucking hell if i wanted a discoball id just get one
i want my case to be as dark, unassuming and invisible as possible

>>107203470
i am that guy i should have mentioned i dont want glass either lol. my current one shattered like 2 years ago and ive just had a piece of cardboard voer it

>>107203470
More and more cases are offering mesh panels as everyone kinda gets sick of Fishtank PCs with rainbow lighting.

kinda feel like i shoulda pulled the trigger on am5 before the price hike but i play no games that need that much more power anyway,,, guess i'll wait for the 9700x3d

>>107203491
only problem with mesh though is that you will hear everything

>>107199491
They are to the green pcb, its a HBA SAS controller
>>107201169
10 G-BaseT lan card

>>107203515
Not wrong.
The only "High end" case I've seen that offers a straight steel panel is the ProArt.

It also comes in beige, brown or black.

>>107203470
yes fractal design makes a variant of most of their cases with a solid side panel

>>107201169
Asus C100C 10GbE card

>>107203421
Silverstone 5U. Biggest case I've seen.

>>107203292
It will be at least 5 years before burn-in is severe enough to bother you.

>>107203470
I got a Fractal Torrent with solid panels. Looks nice and roomy.

>>107203470
Yes, you just gotta look and not the popular ones.

>>107199189
I got my non RGB version of this kit for just over 200€

what is the downside of buying 5 usd nameless shitbox, removing the side panels and running it as is?

Any recommendations that is like my old case the Cooler Master 912?
I really enjoyed this one for many years so going to a glass or mesh thing (is this even good?) is a no go for me.
No micro or mini ATX towers for me.

>>107203710
the fuck are you talking about?

>>107203710
dust

>>107203710
i have heard about cheap chink cases being the cause of coil whine in some situations. probably has something to do with the really low quality materials.

NZXT Lexa is the muscle car of pc cases

>>107203714
>ATX
>No Side Panel
>Modern Front I/O (USB Type C)
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#t=4,3&D=16,4,8&B=1&sort=price&page=1
There's your list of choices. Possible candidates that stick out to me without being unresonably expensive are are the Silverstone FARA 513 Type-C, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Closed Panel (pictured),
Fractal Design Define 7 Compact, be quiet! Pure Base 501 Airflow, & Silverstone SETA D1.

>>107203773
wait there was a time when nzxt used to make cases that weren't just several flimsy pieces of cheap sheet metal riveted together?

>>107203770
>>107203770
>>107203770

Got the greentext on the 2nd post but messed up the second link, whatever

Get out of my thread

Apevia X-Cruiser, my beloved..

>>107203796
Thank you, anon. Will take a look at these soon.

Talk me out of an AliExpress 7800X3D for 240euros

>>107203970
You got what you paid.

>>107203978
A tray CPU for 120euro less?

>>107201111
No, never seen this behavior before, monitors did not do this

>>107201157
yes how is that related though

>>107201250
unrelated

>>107201259
>video timing or refresh rate? have you ever tried to create a custom resolution/timings? i
no just 4k60
>have you tried a different cable, i know it sounds dumb but weirder things have been known to cause problems.
no I just bought a 2m hdmi2.1 cable to run this to begin with

>>107204110
>No, never seen this behavior before, monitors did not do this
MPO causes VRR frame timing fuckery in windowed GPU-accelerated applications (games, chromium, electron etc) that most monitors learned to ignore but on TVs it often causes black or noise on full frame or even part of the screen.
Another test is disabling VRR entirely to see if the problem still persists.

>>107204167
I'm not even running VRR is the thing
not supported+off