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Latest BISHOP Game: Ingoku no Houkago 2
http://www.bishop.jp/products/ingk2/index.html

To start the discussion off, I'm curious what you Anons think about the use of one particular character whose role, presence, and often age range is different from everyone else.

If the cast is teachers, there's that one student heroine, and vice versa for a cast of student heroines.

Would you prefer if:
> BISHOP games just went all-in for one age or occupation demographic for each game
> BISHOP games were closer to a 50-50 split as opposed to a token differing individual
> BISHOP ditches the demographic concentration and spreads out the origin, age, and occupation of the heroines into a wider spectrum
> The games stay as-is with the token differing individual

Or some other option that's not coming to my mind?

>>8522633
It doesn't matter what we think, as long as the majority of the Japanese buyer's are fixated on schoolgirl's we are going to get at least one schoolgirl in teacher based works.

It's for the same reason where we get a 'teacher' in schoolgirl themed entries.

Basically Bishop wants to carter to both of their 'selling' audience which is the reason why we have the current 'status quo'

I think the best 'compromise' is having a women who looks younger then her actual age ... like Asahi from Mesu Kyoushi 4

>>8523355

Well, I fully agree with you that nothing we say here will impact BISHOP, but I was asking about your personal opinion and preference if you hypothetically had the decision-making power.

Also, if Japanese buyers are fixated on schoolgirls or teachers, then why lean so heavily into one or the other in a game, and then create one token exception? At that point it's better to either go all-in on each game being student-focused or teacher-focused, or create a closer split to 50-50 so there's something to interest those who like students or teacher heroines to consider picking up every single title.

You do make a good point about Asahi though - her introduction blurb definitely made sure to emphasize that she looks and acts younger than her age and that's what the protagonist likes about her enough to target her.

(And now that I say that, Mesu Kyoushi 4 was indeed all teacher heroines, so we could say that question on my end was something BISHOP used to do with Asahi being a part-way implementation of the concept we see much more explicitly today, but then the question is why they made that shift for the reasons outlined above)

>>8522633
I'd say, more young adults is always a win. We get plenty of schoolgirls corrupted, blackmailed, brainwashed, devirginized in every possible way, it's becoming too repetitive, even though schoolgirls are still main fetish in Asia. That's why characters like Otoha, or any female teacher across Bishop franchise - is like a breathe of fresh air to me.

What really matters imho is how these last games from BISHOP have looked BAAAAAAAAAD. After Ingoku 1 (and only because of Mizushima. and even then, he even fumbled hard this time), all we've had is pure disappointment after another one.

Kagami and Akagi Rio leaving hurted them big time for sure.

>>8524430

Mind elaborating on that more, Anon? What about the artstyle do you think has been a consistent disappointment in recent releases?

Because to me, I don't think I've had a specific BISHOP heroine that's jumped out to me as easily as previous works. Latest game where I remember that happening was Shihai no Kyoudan 2 and Chijoku no Seifuku 2 (Kutsujoku 3 falls under the 'nobody jumped out at me' category), which is extremely close to the cutoff point of Ingoku no Houkago 1 that you describe.

I'm curious whether that might be playing a part in that, even though to my relatively untrained monke eye I thought the artwork has been reasonably consistent for BISHOP works much further back than Ingoku no Houkago 1 onwards, and I at least thought I was deciding who interested me in spite of the art quality factor.

>>8524462
I am not an artist kind of person, so putting it in words is something hard to... Let me see, for starters, there are some artists whose drawing art style that just look awful, period. You just look at their drawing and feel nothing.
It looks like a BISHOP drawing for sure, but a bad one imho.
I would also say that having good characters and postures within the scenes is very important, because those are important driving factors for me.

>>8524507

Hm, I see. So it looks like what I personally observed was also playing a role for you, in that an artstyle that you don't jive with can make you feel nothing about a character or a scene, but also the character or pose in the scene can do the same.

Well, let's hope BISHOP improves for you with the next release. Every next time is an opportunity to defy the trend and expectations, after all.

>>8524538
One can hope. Thankfully, I can always go back to their older titles, and also enjoy whatever has been released since 2010 from other companies too.

There is still quite a few months, since based on the previous release schedule the next Bishop title is going to be released at the end of September.

But that doesn't mean that we can't speculate what the theme is going to be about.

Personally I think it's going to be teacher focused this time, with a teenager 'student' MC.

Either Shihai Kyoudan 3 or some other title...

I think that the MC should have no 'supernatural powers' - apart from maybe being able to shoot a large amount of white ammunition but he should have an 'unwilling' collaborator in one of the other female students, who is also his 'childhood friend' that the MC already enslaved in the past...

>>8526522

> Either Shihai Kyoudan 3 or some other title...
Is there any kind of consistent pattern or roadmap with BISHOP games on whether they choose to continue pre-existing series like Shihai no Kyoudan or Kutsujoku, as opposed to make an entirely new story like Kazoku Haha? I’m having a hard time figuring it out even with a good look at BISHOP’s catalog on VNDB.

Because for me, Kazoku Haha or Chijoku no Seifuku 2 is the type of game I want to see - one that throws a brand new type of context and setting so BISHOP's writers can flex their talents with a different setting and with a different protagonist archetype than their bread and butter “depraved sex predator looking for prey in an elite academic institution as staff or a dorm manager or an infiltrator or something”.

Not saying that’s a bad setup by any means, because BISHOP absolutely know what they’re doing in keeping that concept fresh with variety in the heroines. But Seifuku 2 had a guy who loses his livelihood due to his sex drive and goes on a rape spree since he’s given up on life anyway, and Kazoku has a guy that snaps learning he's been holding back his sexual urges with his stepmother and stepsisters when his father has been cheating himself, so I found those differing approaches to BISHOP protagonist-brand serial rape interesting.

But to respond to your own proposals, Anon…

> teacher focused this time, with a teenager 'student' MC.
That seems likely - it’s BISHOP’s main schtick, after all.

> no 'supernatural powers
Yeah, it’s a little weird when that's the BISHOP protagonists’ means - their games have always felt grounded in the protagonist using blackmail or physical force to start the rape.

> 'unwilling' collaborator
I’ve seen mixed opinions on this archetype and the fact that BISHOP has been using it less in recent games - what do you personally like about it, Anon?

>>8526581
Kazoku unfortunately wasn't popular in Japan, or at least it's sales weren't great, at least from what I heard, so I doubt that we will a sequel with a similar concept anytime soon.

Basically any Bishop title that isn't school based isn't selling as well as their school based titles which is the reason why they constantly return to this theme.

I agree that the situation of Bishop's non school based MC is pretty interesting, but it's unfortunate that it doesn't generate as much income to Bishop compared to their school based titles.

>>8528222

> Kazoku unfortunately wasn't popular in Japan
Shame, but I can see why that might happen. It benefits VN studios to establish a brand schtick that people can expect walking into their works and to stand out. While I appreciate and hope for more experimentation on concepts and types of protagonists, it probably reflected badly on the sales data when they tested something different than their bread and butter.

Even if it might have been an interesting or fresh idea in isolation, the fact that it was BISHOP putting it out probably ran counter to expectations the Japanese customer base had, on the basis that "if I wanted something different I'd have gone to another studio's stuff instead, and this isn't what I buy BISHOP for."

But at the same time, I do think a lesser version of our desires can manifest if BISHOP is relatively confident that different protagonist archetypes like the ones in Seifuku 2 and Kazoku can still sell well if still within a school setting, and have the rape spree happen, just for something different than “guy’s just a depraved rapist that wants to enslave women”. Ingoku no Houkago *might* be considered this but I’m not sure if it should be.

If going so far from their base premise reflected badly, I feel like that’d motivate a desire to start varying things within their bounds of the school setting. I realize that might again run into the exact same problem where that's not what their JP customers buy BISHOP for, but only relying on the heroines to establish variety can only get so far, and even the games that exist now seem to be starting to blur the uniqueness of character archetypes amongst the heroines. So BISHOP might be trying to figure out where they can get away with creating variety elsewhere lest their customers say “Man I liked BISHOP for serial rapist in a school setting but it’s starting to get old” and put them in a Catch-22.

>>8528249
My secret wish has always been for a game based on a magic school. Maybe have an elf who you secretly turn into a dark elf. I know that bishop fans have some strong feelings about that sort of radical change but with a magic setting you could have them fake every one else out with some illusion spell so as to maintain the usual flow of hiding that they've submitted to you. Could have the main character be in pursuit of some power and each girl helps you unlock it in some different way.

I think this could at both be something spicy and new and also keep the have be in school fans satisfied. That said for the last few years these studios have been dropping like flies so I understand why they are so conservative

>>8532231
Bishop attempted a fantasy setting game a long time ago. https://vndb.org/v346

Don't know how well it was received, but since it hadn't received an 'upgraded' Immoral Edition I don't think it had good sells...

So based on that attempt I think Bishop might be a little hesitant to go back to the fantasy genre again.

>>8532250
Good point, though if I remember correctly (it's been like a decade since I played that one) it wasn't set in a school. That said their complete abandoning of fantasy in the aftermath speaks volumes.

>>8532231

That does sound like an interesting premise, but I wonder if the reason BISHOP doesn't do that is because there's no real need to justify a fantasy setting if it has nothing to offer, or might even require more work, than a realistic setting.

BISHOP seems to shy away from true mind control or illusion spells enabling the protagonist to hide their misdeeds. Usually BISHOP protagonists isolate and overpower their prey, then rely on blackmail or the insulated nature of the institution to keep things from getting out. Even Kutsujoku, with its inclusion of superpowers, keeps the minds of targeted females fully aware to the rape. Plus he can’t keep them on that leash forever, yet they still don’t squeal once he lets them go for the night or whatever.

So deviating from *that* might be a bigger issue for BISHOP fans. I’m curious what would happen if they went for a fantasy setting, but have the protagonist be of similar disposition and motivation to regular BISHOP protagonists, ideally someone with no magical abilities either. Again, that falls into the “then why bother with a fantasy setting” issue, so not likely BISHOP will try, but it lets them to play with character archetypes or job positions that are infeasible in the real world.

> Could have the main character be in pursuit of some power and each girl helps you unlock it in some different way.
Isn’t that what BISHOP already kind of does? Or at least what the protagonist is usually initially inserted into the school to accomplish by raping all the teachers? This could probably only require a subtle shift to how BISHOP protagonists are already written.

> studios have been dropping like flies
Yup, that’s the crux of it. They need to cling to dear life to the schtick that is associated with their name. Deviating too far risks making the people that do buy their games simply decide not to for that release, so there’s likely a lot of creative restrictions put on BISHOP’s writers.

Speaking about Bishop games do you think that Bishop is going to go back to having some blood related incest?

After all, in Kazoku we had step mother / sister's incest since they haven't been related by blood - and I think we had a few slaves mention (in the endings) that if they gave birth to a daughter they would train her to become a sex slave for 'daddy'.

So fat the only blood related incest happened in Tokubetsu Jugyou 3, which is a different compared to other Bishop titles, but I started to wonder what are the chances of Bishop creating a similar plot in the future.

>>8534853

I just took a look at the roster for some recent games, and I don't think it's likely because of a "it's fine with what they're already doing now" setup.

There are a few instances of what might *qualify* as incest, such as Sayuki in Kutsujoku 2 relative to the protagonist (shame we never got to actually see her in a threesome), and of course Kazoku, with its step-sibling and stepmother situation where the protagonist outright tells Nagisa in their first scene "Cut the sibling crap, we were strangers less than a year ago!"

It seems to me that BISHOP has decided that full-on incest is a little too much straying from their schtick, or possibly too niche a market, but they're not blind to the potential appeal it might bring for certain players.

So if they it, they sorta sprinkle it in to spice up the female for those who are fans of the taboo in incest, but distant enough that for anyone who isn't just zealously anti-incest to the point where even the hint of blood relation turns them off entirely (which is bound to be an extreme minority), it's just a minor background detail and doesn't change much.

That might even be one reason why Kazoku sold less well - it's extremely overt in the premise that this game is an incest-lite setup, but that turned out to be laying it on too thick compared to how BISHOP does it otherwise.

What I mean to say is, it's possible, but given Kazoku was in the pipeline it's not likely beyond the little dash of flavoring that BISHOP has done more commonly.

I think what'd be interesting for me is if, in a series like Tokubetsu Jugyou where there's a new protagonist every time, the daughter conceived from a previous game’s rape is a heroine, and either is the “insider” character to get the protagonist started, or her training is more subtle where she liberally masturbates and believes rape to be good and is easy pickings for the protagonist. It ain’t incest, but something I thought for minor series continuity.

>>8523502
>Also, if Japanese buyers are fixated on schoolgirls or teachers, then why lean so heavily into one or the other in a game, and then create one token exception?
It's called a compromise. To keep everyone happy, you cannot have part of the fanbase sulking in the corner because they're not raping school teachers in a student game or schoolgirls in a teacher game, so in order to avoid that they toss you a bone, so you'll be quiet and tided over until we get the teacher or the student rape game.

My own personal preference is teachers, I find that Bishop's brand of slavery and subjugation hits best when the target of enslavement is in a position of authority, Like a teacher has over their students for example, so when some asshole student starts using them as cumrags it hits deeper for me. Whereas with the students it fells lessened because most of the time it's an adult raping teenage girls, this is why they sometimes make the rapist main character a janitor, or some other random menial worker whom the students don't really like or respect, just so you can replicate that formula with students, who are meant to be followers in a school, and therefore powerless.

On the subject of the practice of giving each fanbase a bone, I would prefer we get rid of it, mostly because we see them wasting perfectly good designs on a game where they cannot be fully featured all the time, and end up as cardboard cutouts. I'm sure there's more than one of you in here who has lamented that some girl you really liked got shafted by being the pre-enslaved helper, or the side route chick who only gets 2 scenes with no character development whatsoever.

>>8532760
>BISHOP seems to shy away from true mind control or illusion spells enabling the protagonist to hide their misdeeds.
The issue with that kind of power is that at that point it would just cease to be a Bishop game. A big part of what makes Bishop great to me is that the girls resist. They're trying to figure out way to escape their predicaments, or fight back, if you just mind control them there's not even a reason to rape them until they like it, you can just make them love you and devote their lives to you and BOOM, sex slave in one scene.

>>8534853
>do you think that Bishop is going to go back to having some blood related incest?
Nope, even within incest fetishism, real life incest is a minority, a niche within a niche. That doesn't seem like a market that could give you a lot of money. My best bet is that they'll just continue to tease you with it, all of those heroines telling you they'll make your own daughter into your slave on their endings for example.

>>8536406

> you cannot have part of the fanbase sulking in the corner
Normally that’s odd for a VN studio that usually hangs on for dear life to the schtick that makes them a recognizable brand, but given they’ve alternated between the two from more or less the start of their existence it’s likely a hole they’ve dug themselves into and can’t risk pulling out of without some painful hits to sales. Makes sense they go with the token bone throw if that’s the case.

> Bishop's brand of slavery and subjugation hits best when the target of enslavement is in a position of authority
That’s a good point, and in a lot of cases the student heroine in a teacher-focused game is a student council president, or the daughter of an administrator, just someone in what might be considered a similar position of authority.

And I also agree with your point about the students, but I think the Kutsujoku interestingly had at least one student in a position of power over the protagonist by virtue of bullying them, and I’m curious if you feel that is at least satisfactory to your preference of teachers over students

> wasting perfectly good designs
Teacher heroine fans like you were likely heavily disappointed by Kirie in InH, huh. It doesn’t happen every time, but when it does it definitely would hurt, I agree. So best consider just getting rid of it altogether, but as said above, financial demands means that’s unlikely.

>>8536424

> just cease to be a Bishop game
Yes, that’s exactly my point. It’s even more against their schtick than games like Kazoku was, so a fantasy setting chosen to justify a mind control spell is likely out of the realm of possibility entirely.

> just continue to tease you with it
My response here (>>8534890) also pointed out they sort of halfway a distant sort of incest so those who actually like incest choose to emphasize it in their minds but for those that don’t hate it with every fiber of their being choose to just ignore it.

>>8536438
>Normally that’s odd for a VN studio that usually hangs on for dear life to the schtick that makes them a recognizable brand
At the very least we're better than Guilty in that regard, If you've played a Guilty game, you've literally played them all. Maybe that's why their new Nightmare brand has seen success.

>I think the Kutsujoku interestingly had at least one student in a position of power over the protagonist by virtue of bullying them
Funny you mention Kutsujoku, because unlike most of the fanbase who seemed to dislike it, I actually enjoyed the series quite a bit. And funny you mention Rikka because she's my favorite from the series as a whole too. The revenge aspect really gave some meat to that route, Rikka deserved it, and that made it 10 times better.

>Teacher heroine fans like you were likely heavily disappointed by Kirie in InH, huh.
Oddly enough, not her. I didn't like her. But I'm an oldfag, so this opinion of mine goes all the way back to Mesu Kyoushi 2, with Takamine Mitsuki, the sister of the now old legend, Takamine Saya, who only gets 2 sex scenes, and one of them is a fucking threesome with her sister. It was fucking bullshit.

I do think that there's examples to be had where the teacher/student oddball heroine got treated right, and my own personal favorite of these is Hiromi from Houkago 3. Now that I think back on it, Houkago 3 was really fucking good overall. And back to Kutsujoku 2, Manami also has a really good route as well.

I wonder when we will get another female who at least partially deserves to be transformed into the MC's 'dog'.

Since personally I enjoy those types of routes the most, when it comes to Bishop's works.

>>8539303

Hasn't that always been a staple of BISHOP for more or less its entire existence? Usually that one female that is hostile to or hates the protagonist, and the plot of mass rape kicks off because the protagonist wanted to retaliate against them?

Even in one of the recent releases, Miyuri Suou fit that description in Kyousei Shihai, and Kyouka Saotome fits that in Shihai no Kyoudan 2.

Having at least one character that slots into that role is an easy bit of variety within BISHOP's nukige schtick, in my opinion, so it's likely to be a consistent thing.

>>8539343
It depends, it is a common character trait, but it gets used in many different ways, sometimes that is the inciting incident, the girl does something to the protagonist and he goes off the handle, sometimes the protagonist has already decided that he's gonna turn the girl who hates him into his bitch before they even knew she was a bitch, sometimes it's just a character trait and doesn't impact the story at all other than in his relationship with the girl.

Now, whether a girl deserves to be a dog? I'd say that would depend on the girl, for me she would need to be at least Rikka tier, like that anon posted, but since we're talking about a bully, how about she bullies the other girls too? THAT would make taking her down even more satisfying, imagine the threesomes where we get a bully and their victim enslaved, and you get to tell the victim "today, you get to decide what happens to her."

>>8539343
I meant that initially she's the most hostile female among the cast to the protagonist, in the end she transforms into a masochist and becomes the most 'loyal' slave out of the cast.

While it's true that Bishop creates a lot of girls who are hostile to the protagonist, not all of them turn into a masochist in the end.

For example of what kind of heroine I mean - wll Kyouka from Shhai no Kyoudan 2 is a pretty good example.

Been playing MK3 so far. This bitch is kind of disappointing because her design is really hot but here constant crying is so annoying to me that it's really a huge turn off for me honestly.

This line made me laugh out loud though, LOL

>>8540344
>her design is really hot but here constant crying is so annoying to me that it's really a huge turn off for me honestly.
Welcome to the popular opinion.

>>8540373
I'll say though, so far Yurika is my favorite out of all the girls from what I'm seeing, which in of itself is not much of a surprise since I usually love all the horny pinks (Aina my beloved).

What surprised me about her route, though, is how little the 'rapiness' feels there. Honestly, beside the occasional blackmail threats, which are rarely that prevalent at all, she's been VERY intimate and excited about the sex throughout. It wasn't even that far from the initial rape scene where she was already lovey and sexually attached to the MC which was a great treat. One of the rare occasions where I am looking forward to every one of her scenes outside post-break because of how endearing she was before that. I dare say she's the best girl here so far.

What kind of scenes from Bishop games are your favorites?

For me it's naturally the defloration rape, where the MC show his true nature and the first scene after / where the girl acknowledges her 'slave' status.

It's even more good if the girls behavior is the complete reversal on how she behaved during the defloration rape scene.

>>8541946
MK 3 is the most vanilla rape game from Bishop.

>>8545332
Not specific to any girl, but the archetype.

And that is when the blonde who only exists to be soulless cunt bitch ends up becoming the most loving, dedicated and loyal of your sex slaves. Hisui from InH being one of the more recent examples.

>>8523355
teachers need love not just schoolgirls

Do you think Bishop could speed up their release schedule and release more then 1 - 2 games per year.

Of course I'm aware that Bishop would need to either decrease the quality, reduce the number of girls per game or take another option to achieve that, but maybe in that way we could increase the number of games that aren't school related.

>>8551717

Sounds counterproductive to what they're doing. Their reluctance to experiment is because they worry it might not sell because there's a certain expectation of flavor for BISHOP titles, and the level of quality that is expected would require the current speed that they have in order to balance requirements/customer demands and the actual creators involved.

And even then we see them try to slip in little bits of experimentation even with major titles, playing around with character archetypes, certain scenarios. Kazoku was probably one of the biggest ones, and it is my personal favorite, but as was said before it didn't really sell as well.

So ultimately, they're definitely trying to experiment, to mixed success, but increasing the number of games released isn't likely to confer any advantages on that front in my opinion when experimenting piecemeal with their existing games and analyzing the feedback from each would be a safer way to do it.

>>8551738
See, that's their problem. They're trying to change the main formula. What they need to do is what other studios do. In order to keep their cash cow the same, they make an alternate brand and experiment with that, leave the main branch alone to do what the fanbase wants, and whatever creative stuff they wanted to try is shifted into alternate label.

This is what Atelier Kaguya does, they have BARE & BUNNY, Cheshire Cat, HonkyTonk Pumpkin, etc. all of them cater to specific niches, and while BISHOP doesn't have the money of Atelier Kaguya, it's not like it would be that hard to make a subsidiary company on paper, and wait until you can save enough funding for a risky creative project, and if it tanks? The company can "close" while normal BISHOP goes back to doing their thing.

They could've done this already, with the re-releases of Silicon Magic, and Oppai Heart, they could've just re-released them under a new company, call it BISHOP Vanilla, and use it for less rapey visual novels.

>>8551834
>alternate brand
They already tried that with Yakata released under the Bishop Royal brand and it failed.

Of course nothing is preventing Bishop from trying again.

I hope for a helper heroine that is an adopted daughter or mother.

>>8552184

Of the protagonist?

>>8552184
Kazoku is already a thing. Although it doesn't really have a helper heroine.

Although I had an idea for a Bishop game themed around an inheritance dispute. Elevator pitch is you were set to inherit your father's company, but with legal mumbo jumbo your greedy stepmother and her daughter steal it from you, you would have to rape them into enslavement to win it back.

On that idea I was envisioning the protagonist secretary as the already trained helper, for the other 2 girls, one was an arranged marriage bride that your father was setting up for you as a company merger, the other one was the company madonna, the super hot girl everyone at work really wants to go out with.

>>8552564

Yeah, Kazoku didn't have a helper heroine, it was all the protagonist targeting the various girls one at a time.

> themed around an inheritance dispute
Sounds like an interesting start. Do you think it'd be better if the protagonist knew that his stepmother and daughter from another marriage might pull something like this after his father passed, or he was unaware of their true nature until his father passed?

> the protagonist secretary as the already trained helper
Alternative proposal for that: what if this secretary worked closely with the protagonist's father, and was on close, friendly terms with him, but only after his father's death does he learn he was basically his personal fleshlight because said secretary shifts her desire for sex on who she considers the "rightful successor". If we really wanna be experimental, we could even open with the secretary throwing herself onto the protagonist and having some somewhat dubious-consent sex with him (and apologizes afterwards and explains what's up), which enflames the classic BISHOP sexual appetite that he'd been trying to suppress and is inspired to rape the stepmother and stepsister to regain his inheritance.

> arranged marriage bride that your father was setting up for you as a company merger
I assume this will be an instance of "girl that dumps protagonist now that he's not worth anything so protagonist targets her for revenge rape"? Because this kind of story would definitely work with a heroine like that.

> the company madonna
This one strikes me as the "lol why not" heroine that is common in BISHOP games and doesn't line up with the schtick of the rest of the cast.

Overall pretty interesting idea, Anon. I'd love to discuss more possibilities or ideas for this setup.

>>8552583
Well, let me expand on it cause I was being short on purpose, 4chan characters limits

The inheritance dispute was meant as a surprise attack, my idea was the protagonist knew that stepmom married only for the money, but he never expected they would take the company from him and leave him in the lurch, so I guess kinda both? his impression of them was that they would take their half of the money and fuck off, he never expected they wanted it all. They're also the reason why you get the standard issue BISHOP timer of 60 days, stepmom was gracious enough to not fire you yet, but you have 2 months to find a new job

The secretary idea was just the plain old boring helper girl, but I like your idea.

Arranged marriage bride was going against type, I initially thought of her as the blonde bitch archetype we all know and love, but I realized that fitted the stepsister better, so instead I remade her into the sweet girl of the cast, like for her this was a legit thing, she was ok with the marriage genuinely liked you, she was happy with the whole thing, etc. Except that now that you're not gonna inherit anything her daddy is looking elsewhere to pawn of his princess.

The company madonna was started as what you describe, then I realized she had potential. She would've been the rival of the MC, Daddy put you to work in the company, but you were still middle management, it's not like you were CTO or whatever, and she was also middle management, and she had it out for you. She was the company maddona because she was perfect in every way, not just her looks, but her skills, education, leadership, work ethic, etc. And she had it out for you because she didn't like the nepotism of it all, unlike you she worked hard for her shit and to get to where she is now, so she made it a point to be better than you at each and every turn, just to rub it in your nose that she's better than you, and she's very successful at it. Cause she IS better than the MC at everything.

>>8552594

> stepmom was gracious enough to not fire you
Very elegant way to justify the 60-day timer! But that raises an interesting possibility: the stepmother and daughter are the *last* heroines to be confronted and raped, ideally with some kind of kidnapping/confinement/blackmail, just in case the stepmother retaliates by firing the protagonist on the spot. The targeting of the other heroines is a way of building up internal popular support to make the coup as complete as possible. It’d deviate from the standard BISHOP formula to have it that way, but maybe some timeline jumping the player can experience the stepmother and stepsister scenes, with the understanding that it’s happening later in the timeline.

> I like your idea.
Thanks, glad you liked it. A lot of complaints about the helper character tends to be that they sabotage the type of heroine they would have been if not already mindbroken and sex-addicted, so the secretary doing this because she wants to will ideally add that depth.

> her daddy is looking elsewhere to pawn of his princess.
That’s fantastic! Maybe this girl was perhaps aware of his sexual appetite and lowkey getting excited at marrying him given she’s a sheltered goody two-shoes princess, but she’s obedient to her father and the MC thinks she hates him now, hence the rape. But over time they reconcile, the girl agrees to support his plan, and shyly admits to now having a rape fetish so “please take responsibility”.

> Cause she IS better than the MC at everything.
This could tie into the “as complete as possible” aspect as well - having her on side would go a long way. Also, if we go with the reconciliation thing I said above, what if the MC does indeed work hard but the madonna resents him because she thinks he got an unfair leg up (which he did), and MC rapes her out of jealousy? That might put more of a nuance on it (although again, deviating from BISHOP's schtick)

Keep cooking, Anon! I'm loving this.

>>8552609
Well, since you liked it, here's what I was planning for endings:

>Stepmom
She would just put you as CEO of her own volition after enslavement. The excuse being that she thought she could do this, but it's too much for a poor old widow like her, and she graciously stepped down so that the person being groomed for the job could assume his rightful position. And so she can stay at home being your pregnant sow.

>Stepdaughter
You get her to betray her mother, incriminate or on some shady dealing that become public, or she already has dirt on mommy dearest, either way the result being that the board ousts her, and they nominate you as CEO seeing as you were the rightful heir, this calms the scandal down and relieves investors. Final scene: daugther is recieving her high school diploma, walking onto the stage with a pregnant belly, ready to pop, and all the murmuring that has happened because of it.

>Secretary
This was just gonna be the poorfag route, you walk away from it all, your secretary becomes your slave wife, and you start a career as a salaryman. You come back home to dinner and naked apron pregnant sex.

>Bride
I envisioned her whole route as her being under daddy's thumb and never being able to do anything she wants, her ending would then be sending daddy to go fuck himself and going to you to be your loyal fleshlight. Daddy got angry, really angry, but the fact his daughter is pregnant has softened him up a bit, he wants grandkids after all.

>Rival
You take her, a few of the company employees, and start your own thing. Time skip 5 years later, your company is booming, you've poached all of the talent from your fathers company, and their company is doing bad. Your company is still small, but with time you'll eventually grow to their level, Your slave rival is just as perfect, ready to pop again, she's on top everything despite being a mom and only working part time, you have preggo sex in the office before she goes on maternity leave. Again.

I have a question. I'm planning on playing Yakata ~Kannou Kitan~ so I looked over the tags to check whether it interested me.
I noticed that the maid heroine Ryou had a not a virgin heroine and I was just wondering whether this is because it was stated if she had sex with other people before or because she had sex with the MC before the game started and that's why she was tagged as such.

>>8555551

I believe she's described as a plant within the Zenouji family by the organization the protagonist works for in order to support his activities, and was not just deflowered a long time ago, but the events of the story is the first time she's had sex with the protagonist.

But it's been a while since I read Yakata, so if someone knows better, do correct me.

I hope for a new Shihai no Kyoudan next, three games focused in schoolgirls in a row would be too much.

My wishful thinking is whichever bullshit power or helpful item the next MC will have, he tried it to helper heroine first before the main heroines. That way the helper can have more scenes.

>"I think I can cum gazillions"
"Sure, you can try it on me first"
>"I think I can touch a girl and she will instantly squirt"
"Sure, you can try it on me first"
>"I have a drug that can make girl lactate"
"Sure, you can try it on me first"

>>8556354
It probably depends on what kind of financial situation Bishop is currently in.

If they are in a good financial position I could Bishop risking trying a new theme that's not related to schoolgirl's.

Maybe a 'sequel' to Shinshoku- after all a theme where the protagonist is able to become 'invisible' is pretty interesting.

>>8552583
Her character design is the hottest

>>8556609

Is it just me that prefers there *not* to be some kind of superpower or item as the basis for BISHOP protagonists? From what I remember a superpower or item being in play in a BISHOP title means no helper heroine at all, since that requires *past* subjugation that would have taken place without the superpower or item, and that undermines the narrative angle BISHOP would advertise with the game’s premise. I feel that BISHOP’s whole subjugation schtick is better served if the protagonist is using practical means, manipulation, blackmail, cunning, or the occasional brute force attack coupled with extreme depravity to capture, rape, and break the heroines. Or at the very least, the power should play a supplemental role, not the only and primary reason the protagonist is able to get away with it undetected. This might not be the best descriptor, but that feels more tense and “earned effort” for the protagonist.

But I will also say that I feel like it’s more in-character for the standard BISHOP protagonist to use their superpower or item on someone other than the helper, because if the helper was subjugated through regular means they’d want to try it on a blank canvas as a trial run, not an already finished painting.

I’m totally with you for more helper heroine scenes though. Ideally solo scenes where she has her own tract of development, but I also think it’d be interesting if she would play an active role in some of the sex scenes of more than one heroine, with bonus points for if they’re a good actor in pretending like they’re being raped to speed up the despair of the heroine. Takatsu Narumi’s big role in the route of Amagi Hatsune in Sansha Mendan and her presence in the initial sex scenes comes to mind - that basic concept can be expanded greatly.

>>8557194
I don't mind the superpowers, so long as they're implemented in interesting ways, Shinshoku for example, was a horrible implementation of a superpower, it was far too OP. Nobody can see you, and at the same time you can control not just who sees you, but who feels your touch? and increase or decrease it like it's a fucking dial on am amp so you can crank it up to 11 when it's convenient? bullshit.

Contrast that with Kutsujoku, where the power is just as OP, controlling other people's bodies from a distance, but the main character uses it in interesting ways. One example is Rikka's first scene from Kutsujoku 2, where she's bullying the protagonist and during that bullying, he makes her pull out his penis and jerk him off until he cums on her face and boobs, which he also made her display against her will by making her pull her top up, all while she doesn't know why she's doing it, so she's just coming up with reasons on the fly cause she's doing this with the rest of the bully squad right behind her.

He also uses said power in interesting ways outside of sex, a very funny situation will arise when he finds a girl, and she's chatting with friends, the MC will force her to come to him and while they'll feel their bodies moving against their will, they'll be coming up with reasons as to why they're suddenly moving, "o-oh! I-I-I forgot something in class, catch you later!!!" sort of excuses, cause they know no one will believe that someone is controlling them against their will puppeteer style, so it's time to come up with something so you don't appear to be crazy. That's interesting and funny uses of a superpower.

Now, the thing with Narumi in Sansha Mendan is that it's a game about threesomes. so of course narumi is gonna be a part of Hatsune's route, without a reason like that, I doubt we'll ever get another helper heroine situation like that, closets I can think of is Hasumi from Shihai no Kyoudan 2

>>8557424

Okay, yeah, you’re right Anon. I placed too blanket a judgement. Either balancing the power so it’s not a plot coupon and the heavy lifting is still done by the protagonist’s depraved desires, or having the protagonists use their power in a intelligent way that still preserves the resistance and “work to get there” that I describe would mean the superpower itself is just a tool of the premise.

Kutsujoku is actually a great example, because it can’t control the girl’s mind in any way so they’re still reacting in more or less the same way but they’re simultaneously doing extremely lewd acts that are OOC to them otherwise, and the protagonist getting a kick out of them trying to explain or excuse themselves to others makes it a unique implementation.

> it's a game about threesomes
> Hasumi from Shihai no Kyoudan 2
You’re right about Sansha, but I think you might have found an answer by identifying Hasumi. If BISHOP can’t find room for as blatant a helper heroine as Narumi, they can lower the peg by a few notches by having the protagonist making them into a pawn via blackmail after raping them first chronologically (with a concentration of scenes about her before getting to the other heroines). Perhaps even before they get their superpower or item, if the story involves one. That might let BISHOP have their cake and eat it too where they can write out a full arc’s worth of standard subjugation, just with a shift of the overall timeline of events for that heroine in particular compared to the rest, but the protagonist also has a helper to justify certain setups with the other heroines. IIRC, that’s sort of what was done with Miyu as well in Mesu Kyoushi 4, so they could do it again.

Now I guess that might ruin the appeal of a helper heroine that some prefer, but that can be deferred to the shifted timeline resulting in this helper heroine being broken first and perhaps paraded to the other heroines to have them despair faster.

>>8557144
Rio is a master of her craft. Shuri, Otoha, Anju, even the younger characters she designed for KTJK 2 and I can't remember which one had the blue hair Narmaya looking chick, what she did for Milk Factory, I don't think she has ever missed the mark.

>>8557688
No one cares about Tomoe.

Its been like 2 years since I last posted the Drama CD folder
https://mega.nz/folder/5iN3mAwb#yoH4-oUea07Pavs1AYElfA
Added more CDs and better quality covers.
I've also embedded cue sheets into the flacs and mp3s which split the single track into multiple tracks. Notes.txt explains why. Simple enough to remove in foobar if you don't like it.

>>8566229
GOAT

Really wish someone can get the Nanao drama CD. That's the one that I anticipated the most

Wish that we got a more creepy MC in the next game like CnS or Houkago 3. I prefer seeing the heroines falling to those instead of more "normal" MCs.

>>8570819

When you say creepy, do you mean the sexually depraved ones who see women as toys, and are willing to do any number of things if it means getting his hands on some sex slaves that he breaks down himself?

Or do you mean creepy in the traditional sense that they're considered repulsive and unpopular in normal life until they hatch their BISHOP game plan, such as being antisocial or are like the stereotypical otaku slob protagonist?

>>8570820
If they are considered creepy by society they will do even more creepy shit... it's a never ending cycle

>>8574030
Treat people like animals long enough they'll start acting like animals.

>>8522624 (OP)
Can I start by the last game or am I missing out?

>>8575674

BISHOP titles tend to have continuations more along the line of thematics, such as a certain type of superpower or theme around location or type of rape than a direct continuation of protagonist or heroines from previous installments, so you won't be missing out on anything at all.

>>8575674
It's a porn VN for crying out loud, not a Star Wars movie. Just look if the scenes look good on Ex and if it suits your tastes go for the actual VN to get the full nukige exp.

>>8575821
*Random girls-only employee sniffs out his locker, notices a loose panel, which reveals a hidden containment with pictures of Satori, Shirayuki and Mihiro, together with a note:
"To anyone who finds this letter - I was the one to put those girls under my complete control and turn them into my sex slaves... Or so I thought. Those damn vixens played me like a fiddle, completely draining me of my sperm, my energy and my life force. So on a verge of dying, I pass my torch to you, o' kindred spirit, finish what I've started and make those succubus pay for what they did to me. Sincerely, slain "harem-king" Yoshiki.*

I know, this fanfic sucks donkey balls, but imagine if Bishop actually had some sort of "passing the torch to next protag", happening in the same or similar setting with returning characters.

>>8575937
The closest thing you'll get to a BISHOP multiverse is having the Takamine sisters in different Mesu Kyoushi games, but they are both in different games, they are never seen together in-game.

>>8575937
>>8576128

No matter how you slice it, VN studios like BISHOP live and die on being able to constantly pump out new characters for the protagonist to subjugate anew. Plus, even if you do rerun a character, they necessarily have to take a back seat to the newly introduced characters, so that's a character's worth of work that might not be worth the return. And that puts an entire rerun of a whole cast - especially one that overwhelmed another BISHOP protagonist's sexual appetite offscreen and thus putting the new protagonist on the defensive - rather unlikely.

That said, as a sucker for seeing returning characters and character development (on the sexual side), I did have a more reasonable possibility, which I've proposed before: we get a passing of the torch from a previous BISHOP protagonist like the first Anon said, most likely someone related or someone this previous protagonist knew personally. In order to help the protagonist who probably previously suppressed their sexual desire due to societal expectations get their foot in the door, the protagonist sends over one of the heroines subjugated from the previous protagonist's game (ideally one of the more defiant or shy ones in their original game for extra contrast), and said heroine becomes a helper heroine. Perhaps this helper heroine get things started by throwing themselves on the new protagonist or even reverse-raping them to incite them to turn the tables and decide to go on a subjugation rampage himself.

I feel like that hits a good balance of a game cast having a supermajority of new characters, but establishing continuity in-universe and letting us see this previously resisting or overly submissive character being a total slut right out of the gate that is not only willing to listen to the previous protagonist’s commands even when away from them, but also craves sex enough to reverse rape a guy, hoping he forces himself onto her in revenge.

I'm curious what you guys think of that.

>>8576451
BISHOP has already used this already a lot, and these characters just end up being minor side characters in terms of scenes, since there is no much evolution to be had for the girl.

(I am refering to InH 1, Kuro no Kyoushitsu and MnK 2. Besides those games, these side characters could also be treated with way more scenes, like in Yakata Kannou Kittan and Gakuen 3, but that was not the norm,)

>>8576700

Yes, and this was specifically meant to address that issue - that helper heroines lack scenes because they've already been subjugated, so why not use that inevitable fact and leverage another character situation that reduces the potential for scenes anyway? That being, a previously subjugated heroine that appeared in a previous game. For those who've played that previous game, it's a point of continuity, especially if chosen for the contrast of a heroine that used to be defiant or especially demure now acting like a slut, and for those who haven't, they're a helper heroine.

I think the only exception to a helper heroine having next to no scenes I can point to is Sansha Mendan, but that was only because the helper heroine ends up heavily involved in the arc of subjugating the star student heroine and the entire game is about duos as opposed to individual targets. Plus, I'd say Narumi was a better helper heroine than most because while she does become instantly submissive despite her strict exterior (which I feel safe saying likely ruins the character for people who like that sort of archetype only to see it's already been sluttified by the protagonist before the events of the game), but her acting skills let her respond to the protagonist's request to act like he's raping her all over again.

Do we know roughly when the next game's announcement is likely to show up?

>>8584123
They said today on Twitter that a new announcement is coming soon.

Probably at the beginning on the next month on BugBug like always.

>>8584123
Normally the first time we get new information about the a new BISHOP game is when BugBug release and if it stays the same it is going to be in the next issue in june. If BISHOP don`t change the release window the next game is probably going to be released in 09/26/2025.
Today LIQUID announced that their new game Holy Slave Academy 3 was postponed to 09/26/2025. Maybe we will get two big "slave training AVG game" in September 2025.

Anyone got any copies of Mesu kyoushi `1 and 2? I can't get the cracks to work for some reason unless there is a step i'm missing

Never mind figured it out

What do you want for the next Bishop game theme ?

Personally I hope it's going to be outside the school, maybe a chikan title? - that way Bishop can still have a mix of schoolgirl and older female character's :)

>>8595323

That sounds nice, but in recent releases BISHOP seems to have stuck with its theme tighter and tighter to maintain its shtick as strongly as possible.

I'm totally in support of that idea though. BISHOP's take on a game like Liquid's Chikan Ou would be a great way to explore sexual subjugation in a much more loose setting than the traditional elite academy, because anyone the protagonist targets will be able to go to work, school, or home once they exit the public transport, meaning a combination of sexual corruption and some neuron firings by the protagonist will be needed to break them.

>>8595323
Teacher game

They have been shilling Mesu Kyoushi games these past months on Twitter, so I would say that it's almost for sure a teacher game or even Mesu Kyoushi 5.

>>8595331
I'll take a re-release of Manin Densha while we wait, just make it work on windows 10/11 and put it out for sale Bishop, I know you can do it. I was gonna say we got Chikando a few years ago and when I went to check it's almost 10 years ago, we're getting fucking old.

>>8595417
Because a celeb or someone mentioned MK on TV show, i think

Almost finished with Ingoku no Houkago 2 (only harem route left). It's a good nukige but for a BISHOP game it's below average, the first InH was better.

One of the things that I'm not liking much of the recent games is the excessive length of the H-scenes. There are a few that are like 80-90 minutes, I don't remember them being that long before.

I think it would be better to have more variety of scenes (threesomes for example) than them being endless.

>>8604365
>I think it would be better to have more variety of scenes
Honestly, I would like this more than treesomes. If you're gonna make a scene that long, then might as well make it 2 scenes in one. Like you rape a teacher or a student in a classroom for example, you do the Bishop thing where you cum once and keep going, but you change the situation. Instead of just switching poses or just ripping more clothing off, you slam her against the windows of the classroom and you have that whole rooftop "the students are gonna see me having sex!" scene right in the same rape.

If BISHOP keep the same release schedule, the new game should be announced in this BugBug issue but i don`t see any information about a new BISHOP game in this month issue cover.

>>8609671
Kyousei Shihai wasn't on the cover either when it was announced in BugBug, so there is still a chance.

BISHOP said on Twitter that they would release info of a new game soon anyways, so I wouldn't worry too much.

>>8610005
Thats true, i completely forgot that not every BISHOP BugBug new game announcement is in the magazine cover. Since BISHOP said that they are going to announce the next game soon it is probably going to be in this BugBug issue.

I wonder if a BISHOP game where you pretend to be someone else would be a good Idea. Imagine having your identity mistaken with the father of a family, or a teacher. Something like the Cronenberg movie Dead Ringers.

>>8610182
It's achievable, due to Bishop's use of "superpowers" in their recent games.

It could fit with the NTR and maybe "revenge" type themes that Bishop sometimes does.

New game confirmed to appear in the new BugBug magazine tomorrow: https://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=1333911&gc=gc

It's called "Reijuu no Seifuku", so maybe something similar to Chijoku no Seifuku? We will probably know more tomorrow.

>>8610769

It means "Uniform of Slavery" literally, which I agree - way too close in naming scheme to Chijoku no Seifuku ("Uniform of Shame") to be a coincidence.

However, given the two Chijoku no Seifuku entries were about blackmail rape and regular rape, respectively, hence "Uniform of *Shame*", perhaps this one will involve some kind of confinement scenario where the heroines are unable to leave the protagonist's clutches in some physical manner?

Just spitballing that'll probably amount to nothing given the announcement is tomorrow.

>>8610890
Thanks for the image!

So it's basically Chijoku no Seifuku 3 but with a helper heroine (the one on the right).

>>8610890
I like all the heroines except the purple haired one, i never liked T-28 style to be honest. Even through the others heroines looks good i hate the fact that Akagi Rio is not coming back.

>>8610890
I like all the heroines design except the purple haired one, i never liked T-28 style to be honest. Even through the others heroines looks good i hate the fact that Akagi Rio is not coming back.

Hmm, I don't know if I translated it well, but it seems the helper heroine (pigtails) here was completely submissive from the beginning. Apparently, she is an airhead who believes in reincarnation romance or, to be more exact, "reincarnation slavery".

Also, the protagonist is apparently already very rich and owns several love hotels, but he pursues those women of high status because his current slave is "too easy".

>>8610890
The designs look pretty good to me, although the purple haired women is missing a cg (probably on the next page of the magazine ?)

The black haired girl looks like the teenager / schoolgirl part of the group, so I wonder if she is going to be the secondary character.

I wonder if the MC is going to be again a "normal" human or we will get another "supernatural" protagonist..

>>8610941
Too soon to tell but from the description i don`t think the protagonist will have any kind of power. The black haired girl will probably be the sub-character.
From the little information we have so far my two favorites by far are the Silver Haired heroine (high status, pride and rich) and the Red Haired heroine (i really like short haired sport type of heroine). The Brown and Black heroines looks good too but i don`t like the Purple haired heroine, i don`t know why but T-28 characters just don`t click to me. Even if BISHOP can`t get Akagi Rio anymore for some reason there are better artists out there, even the one who made Shirayuki in the last game was a lot better than T-28.

>>8610890
>No Rio Akagi
>Oonari is doing the sub-heroine again

I'm not the kind of person who quickly judges, but my expectations for that title are at the bottom right now.

>>8611185
While I can agree with no Akagi or Oonari being sidelined, if you're still into Bishop games for the art, you will continue to be disappointed.

>>8611164

Are you saying those descriptions of the silver haired heroine based on how she's postured/designed? Or based on even a rough translation? Because if it's the latter, I was wondering if you could identify what type of characters the other three are.

Silver-haired heroine all the way for me so far though. I'd say, lacking information on the remaining two, she seems the best fit for the premise of a love hotel manager that targets high-status women because getting his rocks off on any girl is something he can do with impunity and it bores him.

InH 2 was meh so I hope they do a more interesting scenario this time. The designs looks good, even the T-28 character look better than Miyako in Kutsujoku 3.

Will we finally get 16:9 resolution this time? I have seen that even the Japanese have been asking for it, this isn't 2013 anymore.

>>8611258
The first Shihai no Kyoudan was so good, anon and the fact there wasn't any recent title in the BISHOP catalogue who reached its level is saddening…

>>8611372
I though the two Shihai no Kyoudan and Kazoku to be of similar quality.

>>8611277
I will try to translate the characters description in the image, it is not going to be 100% accurate through.

Rion (Brown Hair) - The hotel general manager only daughter: A young lady with a deep consciencie who exudes an elegant, glamorous and pure atmosphere, she is kind and gentle, but also strict when it is necessary to correct things. Her polite hospitality has made her the face of the hotel, and some customers even come just to see her. Her dream is to follow in her parents footsteps, and she takes her work seriously and with pride.

Aira (Silver Hair) - A young female president who runs a travel agency: A female CEO who started a company with other women of the same age, who plans tours in partnership with hotels. She often shows up to meet people. She is a good looking girl who is serious, kind, caring, and hates crooked things. She is a workaholic who boats that work is her lover, and she is always confined in her workplace so she has no interest in romance.

Sayoko (Purple Hair) - A popular esthetician whose strong side can be seen: She is a beautician working at a beauty salon in a hotel. She is a kind and cheerful woman and her tolerant demeanor has made her popular, especially with male customers. Due to the nature of her job she has no qualms about touching peoples bodies and she also tends to get quite close to others and does a lot of body touching. She ends up confusing men in some ways.

Hotaru (Red Hair) - Sport Instructor, she is popular for her politeness and cool beauty: A sportswoman who works as an instructor at the fitness gym inside the hotel. She is popular for her cool beauty and polite manner despite not saying much. Her taciturn demeanor makes her seem hard to approach but she has an honest personality and says exactly what she thinks.

>>8611640
Hasumi (Black Hair) - A submissive girl who worship the protagonist as her master: A girl who boasts that she belonged to the protagonist in her previous life. Currently working as an employee of Ubu Hotel under the protagonist and she also works as a web writer. Despite her quiet appearance she is sociable and good at infiltrating the lives of others peoples. She can quickly become friends with anyone but in reality she has little interest in people other than the protagonist.

Game Description (Prologue) - Humilate the most beautiful women in erotic costumes!!
The protagonist of this work is the owner of multiple loves hotels. One night he met Hasumi, a woman who made the bizarre claim that she has been his slave in her previous life in both body and mind. Althrough he was a little hesitant, he was interested in her atmosphere which was different from others women and decided to form a master-slave relationship with her as she desired. Through training with Hasumi the protagonist felt a sense of fulffilment that he had never felt before interacting with a woman who is his slave and developed a strong desire to subjugate women with his own power. Meanwhile he set his sights on four women, inclusind female CEO and a popular esthetician, all of whom are equally beautiful and have social stakes, and he begins to work Hasumi to seduce and obtain them!!!

Here is a scoop article about the latest work from BISHOP, the leading dark erotic brand in the industry. This is an AVG in which you control beautiful women who are strong women with high status and strong visuals. The theme is slighty different from the popular Uniforms of Shame series which has previously featured professional uniforms. This work focuses on beautiful women wearing sexy costumes!!

Not 100% accurate translation but i think i got most right or at least close.

>>8610890
Grey artist has a good record so far, so I'm glad to see him back.
Also, nice array of more mature heroines, and the little shit on the right should not have that much content so I'm ok with that.

>>8610890
>>8611640
>>8611643
Hope the scenarios are good. Fucking rich women in power are always a fun concept

>>8611640
>>8611643
I`m going to give e honest opinion on what i think about this game so far.
The story is only OK, nothing special. The protagonist is already a rich guy that had success in life, i prefer when the protagonist is in the bottom of the society, the heroines treat him badly in the beggining and because of the he seek revenge like in others games BISHOP made.

About the heroines

Rion (Brown Hair) looks very generic, she don`t look bad but at the same time there is nothing that make her looks special.

Aira (Silver Hair): I really like her design, she looks similiar to Shuri from Shihai no Kyoudan 2 and Shuri is one of my favorites heroines in all BISHOP games (she has made by Akagi Rio my favorite artist that did a BISHOP heroine but the artist that is going Aira is pretty good too, so i have high expectations for this one).

Sayoko (Purple Hair): T-28 is enough reason for me to put her in dead last for this game. I just keep thinking how great this character was going to be if made by Akagi Rio instead.

Hotaru (Red Hair): I like this artist design too especially the ahegao faces that he paint and the heroine being a short haired sport focused girl with a cool beauty, quiet and honest personality that says what she thinks is a plus.

Hasumi (Black Hair): To be honest she looks better than Rion and less generic too. Her background story is a little strange saying that she have memories from previous life, etc (we don`t know yet if she really have memories from previously life or is only using this a excuse because for some reason she like the protagonist). Sadly she is probably going to be a sub-heroine with less scenes than the others.

Guys, how to install BISHOP games on Android?

>>8618260
You don't.
Get yourself a Windows tablet like the rest of us if you're so desperate to have Bishop games portable.
If you must, absolutely, no other choice, have to run Bishop games on Adroid, look for Wine emulators like ExaGear, but even then you might run into problems since the vast majority of those only run 32 bit windows programs, so anything 64 bit is a no go.

You can use Winlator on Android and then load the game on there. Works for me. The only issue is that WinLator is missing the Japanese fonts, so you will need to download the fonts and move them to the directory for the game to display the text properly.

So, considering the fact that it's a Bishop game, apart from the assistant girl, the other women are 99.9% virgins.

And if that's the case, I wouldn't mind some scene's were they first lose their anal virginity before losing their vaginal virginity.

>>8622329

Depending on the character, that certainly sounds interesting. But if we take that concept one step further, it might be interesting if the heroine in question has some thematic or personal tie to the concept of purity and virginity (maybe as a nun or someone that has grown up with the ironclad demand that they save their virginity for marriage), and the protagonist only deflowers them after a fair few sex scenes, which involve taking one individual "first time" in each scene, with the protagonist slowly stripping away their dignity and reminding them of it - a first kiss on the protagonist's dick, first boobjob, first blowjob, first anal like you said, and only then actual defloration.

Maybe not every single one of those but at least more than just anal and vaginal virginity.

>>8545332

For me, it's got to be the break scenes. The narrative keeps the pressure on them, and the break scenes are always the pressure valve bursting open. It's always a bit unrealistic since it's not always a mind break, yet is a direct transformation from resistance to unrepentant fuckslut. Despite this, it's always cathartic to watch it unfold live.

They also tend to have the most lewd outfits, so it tends to also be equally visually appealing. I'm hoping they up the base level of outfits in this new game so that the break scenes are even crazier.

Do you prefer the heart shaped pupils that the recent Bishop games have or would you like, from time to time for Bishop to go back to how things were before this "feature" was introduced?

Personally even it's a little unnatural at least it makes a point on how the women get broken in by the main character... although I definitely wouldn't mind if Bishop stooped using it.

>>8626354
I don't mind it, but at the same time I like it the other way better. I've never bitched about it because this is such a minor thing that it's not even worth thinking about. Like this should just be a toggle in the options just like the pubes

BugBug will release a article page about the new BISHOP game soon. There are some CG samples too.

>>8628872
So from the cover I'm guessing that the "orange" haired girl is the first target used by the MC in the prologue.

Unless the prologue is also going to contain the defloration event of the black haired girl, but that can be done with a flashback if Bishop is going to show her virgin loss H scene.

家族弐何処?

>>8628960
I don`t know about that but the BugBug article will probably be out tomorrow and it have some CG samples and even show some of the heroines costumes.

Finally finished Ingoku 2 and it was abit of a letdown compared to the 1st one. None of the girls where as strong as those of the 1st game sadly.

Skipped Mihiro, she get the haughty blonde feel b ut is just a tryhard sport gal, but she got some nice scenes overall
Kirari is very cute and her dumb side was fun to read, Liked her route abit even if she has 0 relevance.
Shirayuki could seriously have been better, she has cool scenes but after KjK2 Noeru her route felt almost too nice
Aine is probably the best route, she is a bitch that used mc for her own conveniance and break easily over that fact, and has nice outfits to boot, too bad she has the short route.
As for Satori her route was great until she break, that "im afraid that master will dump me" persona is just wrong. She has greats clothes (fishnet - Latex) and great scenes overall tough.
Only sad thing about her is that she would have been better if she knew everything form start and was willing to help mc rape other girls to get revenge on her lewd bloodline. Would have made a super nice helper (like Mk nurse or Yakata maid) ^^

As for new game :
Black (Sadly side heroine) > Gray (Top design) > Brown (bit blank and seems too nice) > Red (Sport girl syndrome) > Purple (artist issue)
Again b*tch type seems missing sadly.

>>8629185
Seems Meh, probabaly missing 2 outfit (prego + final scene) assuming last three are lingerie + nude. Looking forward the others girls.

As a bonus there is an IA pic of the helper Satori i imagined ^^

>>8630623
There are some costumes missing, the others heroines have less costume samples.

>>8630808
Meh costumes.

BugBug article https://www.bugbug.news/b_game/213458/

I will upload here some leftover images that we not used in the BugBug article.

Seems like the light brown women has the best outfits imo.

Although the dog outfit for the black haired assistant girl looks nice.

>>8631960

Wow, I played Bible Black and noticed you never see those kinds of lines on the hips these days, and then I see this. This girl must be pretty skinny, then. I guess it's not surprising if she is supposed to be on the crazy side, with all this belief the protagonist and her are soul mates.

I wonder how a BISHOP fantasy game would work like. A demon torturing dead schoolgirls in hell and turn them into sex slaves só they repent from their sins would be interesting or not?

>>8636346
Wouldn't be that different desu, Magic academy, one of the students or a teacher studies black/evil/forbidden magic on the side, and chooses to take revenge on the elite aristocratic princesses of the kingdom who are here just cause they'll like the school name on their titles, they don't even like magic.

And we have the standard-issue, vanilla Bishop route, where we rape the students, or the faculty.

http://www.bishop.jp/products/rs/index.html

Website is up

Textless audio cd poster

>>8641975
The game already looks like ass. My god what the fuck has happened after InH 1...
I guess that another company has gone down the shitter again because of bad talent getting into the company... (Let's hope that the people they recruit now does a good job)

>>8631956
>4 outfits
So, side chick?

>>8648015
Not all clothes were shown and Hasumi is already set as the side-heroine.

>>8647758
I think their last great character design work was Kutsujoku 3 (the teal haired girl)

Even through this doesn't look like it will be the best BISHOP game to date i will wait for more information, samples CGs, etc... before making a concrete judgment. At least for me it is not the first time that a BISHOP game looks bad when announced but when new info come out i start to view the game in a positive way.

I was wondering why this game is not CnS3, considering the theme is very similar: corrupting 'adult' career women, sometimes in their work uniform as a fetish point.

However, after rereading the articles, it appears that this game aims to differentiate itself from the CnS series by emphasizing that the heroines are of High status and Highly Successful Career Women. Be it from career success, wealth, or being respected in the field for her skills. The MC is also rich and successful, matching the heroines apparently. Though I am not sure if that is really needed to corrupt the rich. successful and 'high status' heroines.

>>8647576
Btw, I find it interesting that for this drama CD, the synopsis described her body as "motherly" and "older sister". Are we finally doing older sister now in BISHOP?

>>8651652
>The MC is also rich and successful, matching the heroines apparently.
See, this baffles me, because if you're gonna corrupt a bunch of high class women into being your sex slaves, you'd think a lower-ranking member of society would be the MC, since it can provide both fuel for him that these women were looking down on him, as well as serve as a form of degradation to the so-called high class women in question.

If they're on the same class tier, then there's really no point to making this about class to begin with. They're your peers, why the fuck would you be making it about class? You might as well just se this game in a country club and forget about the class angle altogether. You don't have to make him a janitor or a NEET loser or something among those lines, just being an underling will do, he's the intern at the office under everyone's thumb. The guy that they send to get their dry cleaning and a matcha late while he's at it.

>>8652044
I am actually down with one-san type in BISHOP if it's happening.

>>8652083

To be fair, what you just said makes perfect sense, of course. That plotline is a staple in the "Choukyou" genre. BISHOP games themselves have plenty of "lower status" MCs (MC in CnS2 was about to commit suicide after going completely broke, other MCs are usually just a janitor, illegitimate child, mechanic, teacher about to be fired, etc). Other developers even go the full-blown "ugly bastards" route (fat, bald, ugly, poor, you name it...)

But perhaps exactly because of this reason, BISHOP wants to try something new with a more successful MC, and the logic behind it is quite reasonable. Basically, the MC is a high-class man himself. So he is only interested in high-class women and has little interest in low-class women, who he believes would be 'too easy' for him. Also, the MC believes that corrupting a high-class woman is a worthy/proper challenge for a man of his caliber; otherwise, it would be too easy and thus provide no satisfaction for him.

So they are going for this angle with this game. The idea is still 'corrupting a high-class lady' but from a successful man's perspective.

>>8653116

The choukyou genre started like this. Mayonaka wa Ware no Mono involved the protagonist being an arms dealer enslaving a bunch of paranormal agentswith help of demons. The helper heroine was his stepdaughter.

>>8631952
I know the outfits are not completed yet. So far, the brown-hair heroine has the best outfit in my opinion.

Regarding the drama CD describing the brown hair heroine as maternal and older sister-like, it was actually used to describe her body (particularly hips and tits), and not her persona so I can't be so sure. That said, many anons here believed that her face is "too soft" or "too nice" (to the point of being 'generic' and not enough bitchiness or sharpness). But if the game indeed wants her to be the maternal one-san type, then her overtly gentle face does make sense (maternal one-san is not the same with the maternal mommy archetype, she is definitely a virgin and on the younger side). If this is true, it could be interesting since I don't think BISHOP has had many maternal one-san-type heroines before, especially if that side stays in her sex scene "after break".

>>8648015

Nah, black hair is the sub-heroine. Some artists work slower than others (usually because they work on multiple games), hence why some heroines usually have less revealed content. This is actually normal for “guest” artists and will usually catch up in time.T-28 is probably still working for his own Miel game.. But yes, I agree her character would be better drawn by Akagi Rio (interestingly, Akagi Rio herself did work for Miel Games many times and her art is not as good there for some reason).

>>8647758
I don't think it's that bad; the only problem I have is the purple-haired heroine (although not that much, and I still need more samples for a final judgment). Then again, I do have a strong preference for adult heroines over the usual student heroines. So I guess I am biased on that count.

>>8654052
What about Otoha and Nagisa from Kazoku game? IIRC, Nagisa was the eldest sister, although she wasn't blood-related to MC, so it kind of negates the "onee-san" part. And Otoha was a genuine "mommy" in that game.

>>8654224
she killed billions...

>>8654224
There is no way that woman already gave birth twice and has still a killer bod.

>>8654224
Well, you just answered it yourself. Otoha belongs to the 'mommy' archetype. Unlike 'one-san', the 'mommy' archetype is older, more voluptuous, and more experienced (non-virgin).

That said, in the anime context, the' one-san' archetype does not really refer to actual blood-related older siblings, but rather to the heroine being older than the male in the relationship (the boy is the kouhai and the girl is the senpai) . This is 'significant' because usually it is the other way around. So 'maternal' in this context refers to both age, body, and personality. In this relationship, the older girl is very reliable and loves to dote and pamper the younger boy. Other traits may include teasing, assertiveness, soothing (ara-ara meme), giving head pats to the boy, and being emotionally mature. These maternal traits belong to both one-san' and mommy, and are increasingly popular; in fact, some Eroge studios and H-Manga artists even specialize in this. For example, Atelier Kaguya Bare Bunny is simply juggling between one-san and mommy. And each title generally sells more than Bishop games, despite having the same tempo (they are Vanilla /Non-Rape games though ). Some developers even go all out and have the MC as shota or shota-like. 'Mommy' archetype being experienced usually teaches the younger, inexperienced boy about sexual techniques and even shows her sexual skills in the Eroge context.

So while Otoha do have 'mommy' body, she does not have the 'maternal' personality, and neither both her daughters. Probably because these traits may not mix well within the Choukyou genre. But if we look again to the poster for the drama CD and remove all context that she belongs in a BISHOP games , you can't even tell that she is actually a 'subjugated' / humiliated/raped/ mind broken heroine, heck I don't think you can even see the 'choukyou' element (you can compare it to posters from previous games). She looks like a normal heroine ready to pamper you with a gentle face.

>>8654367
Motherhood affects all women bodies differently. There's hot women that become land barges after giving birth, and there's women that are barely affected at all. Some of them become even hotter, cause the bigger boobs and extra layer of fat fills out their figure in flattering ways.

If anything, the more unbelieable part of Otoha is the fact that she's a single mom and a career woman with such a level of success. Either her girls should barely have a relationship with her, or she's barely making up at work catching up, with her bosses breathing down her neck, after dealing with all of the motherhood responsibilities.

I am a bit curious, when it comes to the heroines 'post-break' behavior, do you guys prefer for the heroine's personality/behaviour to significantly change both in general and to the MC like Serika from CnS, or for them to act perfectly the same in their daily lives in public including to the MC (so if the heroine is rude, will remain rude to the MC in public for example) but secretly your sex slave and become fully sluttty when needed.

On that note, how far is the 'mind-break' in your personal preference? For the heroine to keep their original personality as much as possible or for them to completely change in personality as obedient slut, or a "true" minfd break where the heroine lose some functionality outside being you sex slave. BISHOP generally do all of them, but which one do you like best?

>>8656354
I just want for the girl to have awakened to her inner slut. I don't need her to change completely into someone else whose only function is to be a cumsock. As a far of arousal goes, I find both scenarios to be hot, but there's something missing when the girl is just a willing hole for cum versus when she wants it just as much as you do.

>>8626354
dont like this trope desu.

>>8656373
Nah that’s some cucked shit

I wonder if Kosuzu's route will show from where she got the idea, that she is a slave from the MC past life.

Since apart from that, I don't have a lot of interest in Reijuu no Seifuku other women's background , although more cg scene's might change my opinion.

>>8666822
They're more than likely just gonna chalk it up to standard issue, healing crystal, horoscope reading, positive vibrations, female insanity. Some of those women already believe in reincarnation as is.

If Bishop was smart, they'll tease it either way, and just leave people like you without an answer. God knows they write enough text on their games that they could get creative like this, but I doubt it. It'll most likely just be crazy woman is crazy, and you'll just get to benefit from her insanity.

Honestly, the heroine just plain crazy is a departure anyway. Usually, they were trained offscreen. Usually in Japan the big revela is that they were stepsiblings

>>8666822
Only interested in the black-haired heroine, huh? She is the only younger heroine for this title. Do you perhaps prefer the younger schoolgirls theme in Bishop games as opposed to more mature/adult heroines?

I only like adult heroines if they're one: haughty bitches that are lovely to see humiliated and 2. Wives being corrupted. That is why Saint Dorei Gakuen 2 is my favorite sex slave training game. I Love to see a girls future being ruined into becoming a depraved. slut.

To be fair, all girls on RnS are prone to be haughty. I bet they think the protagonist is inferior to them because he is a love hotel owner.

>>8667806
I don't mind older women if they have interesting background's, it's just that none of the adult women in RnS have, so far, gotten my interest.