>i-is that an incredibly sexy woman that's gagging for my dick and balls?! AAAIIEEEEEEEE!!! SOMEONE SAVE MEEEEE!!!!!
Why is this dumb shit so common?

>i-is that an incredibly sexy woman
No, it's clearly some sort of hideous mutant

Because what makes something a story is conflict.
>girl wants sex
>man has reservations
>reservations are overcome
>sex happens
It's an extremely simple formula that evidently works.

>>8645727 (OP)
>incredibly sexy woman
where is she?

>>8645727 (OP)
Yep, feels like in japanese media, the fmc determines the roles in the relationship. If the fmc is timid and/or weak and/or submissive the mc becomes almost like a normal guy, if the fmc is aggressive and/or strong the guy becomes submissive. Villains and guys who have no interest in women(shounen/fags) are the exception though.

nippnese have whole thing where they want their first time to be special, even the guys, so there is a token resistance to spontaneous sex with randoms

>>8645727 (OP)
>Why is this dumb shit so common?
Because they hate assertive MCs

>>8645727 (OP)
>"hey I want to show this woman as being sexually aggressive because it's the whole fetish, so I'll have the guy act a bit unwilling so she can chase push him into it" -the author
>"WHAT THE FUCK WHY DOESN'T HE PULL HIS PANTS DOWN LIKE A HORNY MONKEY AND JUMP ON HER!!?!?" -OP missing the point like a retard

>>8645727 (OP)
if a woman ever pulled that shit on me i would exhaust every possibility before considering she is interested in me

>>8645727 (OP)
japanese men are genuinely domesticated

>>8646027
It doesn't work anywhere outside of Japan though

>>8660186
Where else has porno stories that even bother to have conflict at all, anon?

>>8645727 (OP)
It’s just an incel self insert

>>8645727 (OP)
You wouldn't get it

>>8649259
I noticed this too. The MC and FMC need to essentially have opposite feelings towards intimacy with each other, even if they do have feelings for each other.

It's fucking annoying. You have sex pest MCs getting beaten to death by tsunderes or left in the dust by shy derederes, meanwhile the oblivious dipshit MC has a fucking pseudo-harem for 200 chapters and can't do more than hug someone before bursting into an epileptic fit.

>>8667117
>It's fucking annoying. You have sex pest MCs getting beaten to death by tsunderes or left in the dust by shy derederes, meanwhile the oblivious dipshit MC has a fucking pseudo-harem for 200 chapters and can't do more than hug someone before bursting into an epileptic fit.
Hold on, why are you crying about non-h works here? That's something completely different. You would never ever get a 200 chapter porno with no sex. That simply isn't a porno at that point. This obviously isn't a problem with things that everybody but you are talking about here.
That aside, things are like that so that there is a push-and-pull in the character dynamics. If both characters like each other and aren't shy about it and have no reservations with being together then there's simply no conflict in the character dynamics and as a result no push-and-pull. Friction is where the sparks fly. The friction is necessary, so the character dynamics are written around creating friction between characters. This is basic, standard, fundamental writing. And yes, it applies to commercial erotic manga. In a doujin work the author can do whatever they want (but will often still follow regular convention because it's been proven successful) but when working with a publisher the publisher is trying to create a product that sells, which means following standard conventions for storywriting. Of course there's an understanding that experimentation can be successful, but generally speaking it's important to have some kind of conflict for there to be a story. You could write a story that's more naturalistic with less tropey conflicts, but that has simply proven to be less compelling to the readers and thus less successful.

>>8667117
>It's fucking annoying. You have sex pest MCs getting beaten to death by tsunderes or left in the dust by shy derederes, meanwhile the oblivious dipshit MC has a fucking pseudo-harem for 200 chapters and can't do more than hug someone before bursting into an epileptic fit.
Hold on, why are you crying about non-h works here? That's something completely different. You would never ever get a 200 chapter porno with no sex. That simply isn't a porno at that point. This obviously isn't a problem with things that everybody but you are talking about here.

That aside, things are like that so that there is a push-and-pull in the character dynamics. If both characters like each other and aren't shy about it and have no reservations with being together then there's simply no conflict in the character dynamics and as a result no push-and-pull. Friction is where the sparks fly. The friction is necessary, so the character dynamics are written around creating friction between characters. This is basic, standard, fundamental writing. And yes, it applies to commercial erotic manga.

In a doujin work the author can do whatever they want (but will often still follow regular convention because it's been proven successful) but when working with a publisher the publisher is trying to create a product that sells, which means following standard conventions for storywriting. Of course there's an understanding that experimentation can be successful, but generally speaking it's important to have some kind of conflict for there to be a story. You could write a story that's more naturalistic with less tropey conflicts, but that has simply proven to be less compelling to the readers and thus less successful.

>>8645727 (OP)
Name?

>>8667331
I was specifically replying to that comment, which to me, read like it was more about Jap media in general, to include both mainstream and H-content.

That said, I DO get that there needs to be friction, but it can only be stretched out for so long in so many ways. Plus if done incorrectly, it can have the opposite effect, making people dislike certain characters because they aren't developing, but just spinning their wheels and repeating mistakes.

A perfect example is Rent-A-Girlfriend. It's insanely popular, but I've really never seen someone say they like it. Not in the west anyway. Here it's a joke of a series. Japan loves it because it's been stuck in the purgatory of quintessential Japanese "will they won't they" territory for almost 400 chapters.

>>8667331
>That aside, things are like that so that there is a push-and-pull in the character dynamics. If both characters like each other and aren't shy about it and have no reservations with being together then there's simply no conflict in the character dynamics and as a result no push-and-pull. Friction is where the sparks fly. The friction is necessary, so the character dynamics are written around creating friction between characters. This is basic, standard, fundamental writing. And yes, it applies to commercial erotic manga.

In real life, friction, push-and-pull, conflicts, etc, between two people or even among many individuals can arise from an infinite number of factors, even if those factors have to be of sexual nature. And real life is a like "subset" of fiction, not the other way around, so everything that exists in real life will also exist in fiction(if someone uses it in a fictional work), so there is nothing preventing Japanese authors from replacing this rather "tired" dynamic between anime/manga couples by something else. Therefore, the only possible explanations for such thing to be so common is that either the Japanese men(I'm not sure about Japanese women) prefer it that way or the industry, somehow, forced it on them for so long that it became a part of their "anime/manga culture"(in which case, it also means that they like it?).

>but when working with a publisher the publisher is trying to create a product that sells
Yes, this is the most likely reason, if it sells, then it means that the Japanese men(I'm not sure about Japanese women) like this inverted world where the more unappealing the guy is by real-world standards, the more girls will fawn over him in the fictional (inverted) world. And, conversely, the more appealing he looks to real people the more disliked he will be in their fictional (inverted) world.

>>8667331
The point is that it's overused to hell and back. 95% of MCs in non-H are like that. Surely there are more ways to delay sex than to have the MC be autistic. Including not having the girls begging on their knees to get a singular whiff of his asshole for 200 chapters while he carefully calculates the best way to maintain the status quo.

Also, on a more on-topic note, I've seen japs praising those kinds of characters before. It was a low sample size, but I wonder if they actually see it as an inherently good thing to refuse sex from a woman, no matter how consequence-free it is or even if she's the guy's girlfriend.

>>8645727 (OP)
>incredibly sexy woman

>nipples as big as his dick