Thread 17996870

How could they won and still exist to this very day?

>>17996870 (OP)
Refuse the ausgleich.

I'm sorry, but there's just no chance.

>>17996870 (OP)
It all depends on what Germany does. The way I see it they only could’ve survived, and even then it’s a stretch, is if Germany had focused its army’s attention on the Russians while being on the defensive at the French border.

>>17996870 (OP)
Refuse the Ausgleich.

Not that it would've helped. Even if the Hungarians would've been shut down, the Russians would still egg the Slavs into nationalist and panslav unrest to weaken the Ottomans.

>>17996870 (OP)
>Latin now de facto official language of the empire after losing Southern Germans state
VGH!

>>17996919
Imagine France invading Switzerland or even Belgium before.

>>17996870 (OP)
They couldn't. Frankenstein of a country, everyone's glad it's gone besides the Habsburgs

>>17996870 (OP)
Transition from a monarchy to a federal parliamentary republic.

>>17997251
>>17997239
Both gay

>>17997259
Counterpoint: You are a flamboyant homosexual.

>>17996870 (OP)
Never having done the dual monarchy, keep it Austria focused only, start Germanization of the Czech's, ally with Russia and France, wait for a German chimp out, and then grab the south German state.

>>17996870 (OP)
0 chance. It was a doomed from 1867.
>>17996919
>It all depends on what Germany does.
Yeah, by annexing most of Cisleithania and letting Transleithania be ruled by a Hungarian puppet kingdom. No way this shitty abomination survives WWI, let alone the 20th century.

>>17997275
>flamboyant homosexual
Sound like projection

>>17997321
>let alone the 20th century
Serbia and Russia lost

>>17996870 (OP)
They betrayed the Russian Empire after they hate them
can you name a more despicable empire?

>>17997504
>betrayed the Russian Empire
>Nicholas I was aggressor and later get mog by Japan
Nice joke.

>>17997509
Nicholas II, not I
-_-

>>17997313
>Austrian desire for revenge
Literally impossible as duel alliance began to take shape.

>>17996870 (OP)
A short war is basically a prerequisite for Austria-Hungary to come out unscathed, and for the war to be short the Schlieffen plan would need to succeed or Russia would need to just not intervene in the first place.

>>17997547
>short war
Conrad von Hötzendorf suggesting AH survival on might launching quick surprise attack against Serbia (twos Balkan wars) or Italy (during invasion of Libya). He was hundred percent right.

>>17997582
They for sure could and should have invaded Serbia after the May Coup happened when there was no chance of other powers joining in, but during the Balkan Wars Russian intervention was very likely.
And Italy was an ally by treaty, reneging on their word like that would destroy AHs international reputation and would place Italy firmly in the Entente camp going forward.

>>17997661
>Russian intervention was very likely
Britain won’t support them. Italy can’t be trusted neither.

>>17996911
>>17996919
>>17997239
>>17997259
>>17997275
The total collapse of Austria-Hungary was only a matter of when not if ever since picrel battle

The Hungarians and not the slavs were the cause of all the often mentioned “ethnic tensions”. Croats were wholly loyal to the Reich. Slovenes weren’t really ever a factor due to their low numbers and they too seemed loyal. Czechs and Slovaks also seemed chill.

Aside from italian and serb irredentism which came from the outside it was the Hungarians that earned the Reich the name “prison of nations” (which it was not).

>>17997313
Why not Germany ally with Russia and France?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Bj%C3%B6rk%C3%B6

>>17996870 (OP)
Comply with the Italian BVLL's requests and don't get on his bad side

>>17999103
>BVLL
Can’t do shit.

>>17999043
A-H don’t exist in 1741 (event of World War Zero)

>>17996870 (OP)
If shitaly and gypsy didn’t backstabbing

>>17996911
>>17999043
They said the USSR would collapse in 1941. Were they right?
They said America would collapse in 1820. Were they right?
Stop this “it was inevitable” no it wasn’t.
The Austrians made legitimately damaging mistakes and could have managed their empire, along with the Hungarians and Bohemians, much better.
>they magically couldn’t
Why not?

>>17999435
The USSR would've definitely collapsed during WW2 if not for Stalin's ideology that replaced Trotsky's and America actually did indeed collapse in the early 19th century when Mexicans were assimilated into George Washington's nation through Andrew Jackson's Texas policy

>>17996870 (OP)
>a tiny germanic upper and middle class paying out welfare to retarded Slavic dirtfarmers and town rapists
Imagine the fucking shithole it would be

>>17999548
I dont have to, just look at modern Austria.

>>17999488
>when Mexicans were assimilated into George Washington's nation through Andrew Jackson's Texas policy
The original Tejanos were mostly criollos, not mestizos like most Mexicans. And it wasn't the first time, both Florida and Louisiana had a preexisting Hispanic population.

>>17996870 (OP)
They were a massive joke that was only kept around because they were convenient. Russia had to save them from rebellions in 19 century.

>>17997251
retarded, all of the constituent states would just declare independence immediately

>>17999074
lmao, yeah totally no ethnic tensions between the czechs and austrians, it's just coincidence that the czech government in exile became practically the main architect of the dismemberment of the empire
why don't you try reading a book before posting, retard

>>17997313
> keep it Austria focused only, start Germanization
Congrats. The German nationalists become too powerful and Austria overall too weak. The empire is destroyed and most of it absorbed into Germany proper.

>>17996870 (OP)
There is no way for them to win pretty much. They were surrounded on all sides by enemies who were actively planning to dismember them. Some anon posted the minutes of the ministerial council for the july crisis a while ago and it's been pretty enlightening to me. For a long time I thought that their best move would have been to just simply not declare war but in reality they were in an impossible situation where not declaring war would probably lead to an just another war later with even worse chances of winning.
The best they could hope for is to somehow survive with minimal territorial losses. They would probably have to do something gay like giving up south tyrol to the italians to try to keep them as allies but even that's a stretch

>>17997313
Another retard. They did start Germanization and failed. They did ally Russia and failed. They did try to fight for Germany and failed.

>>17999435
There were 0 alternatives available to Austria-Hungary. Just accept that they were doomed from the start.