Thread 18061122

Does God like things because they're good? Or do they only become good after he likes them?

>>18061122 (OP)
Theists can't answer this without embarrassing themselves

Plato btfo'd Christianity before it even arrived

Good is defined by God's nature.
He doesn't conform to an external standard.
His perfectly consistent character is the definition of all goodness.

>>18061187

How convenient. Your "God’s nature" always seems to endorse exactly the morals of your tribe. The divine nature is just the moral taste of the worshipper, projected upward and made untouchable.

Calling “good” part of God’s nature doesn’t explain what good is. It just changes the subject. That’s not philosophy. That’s just grammar pretending to be revelation. If "goodness" just means "alignment with God’s nature" then why do even sincere believers radically disagree about what God's nature entails? The framework offers no objective way to tell whose view of "God's nature" is correct. You end up back at interpretation, not absolutes.

here's my take
I don't know if there is a God or not.
What I do know is if there is a God, it probably doesn't care about it's creations, so it doesn't matter if there is a God or not, morality is defined by humans. There is no good thing or a bad thing. Carnivores kill herbivores for food, are carnivores bad? How do you define good or bad?

>>18061250
>What I do know is if there is a God, it probably doesn't care about it's creations,
You do realize the god of classical theism is supposed to be all-good, right?

>>18061256
op hasn't mentioned what kind of god we're supposed to be talking about.

>>18061243
> Your "God’s nature" always seems to endorse exactly the morals of your tribe
Well, that's because we're his chosen people. Perhaps, he chose us because our morals were best suited to him in the first place. Someone has to be and it just happened to us because we are more moral than the other tribes. The Hebrew tribe has more morals than the other tribes. It was said that the Messiah would come from the Hebrew tribe. Some tribes are too bad to get elected. If God chooses, God chooses what He wants. It makes perfect sense to me and you would if you were open enough to be willing to accept it as an option.

>>18061272
least obvious bait i've seen today

>>18061266
So on what basis did you say that it's probable that God doesn't care about his creations? Given that the God most people believe in is supposed to be a good God?

>>18061283
I've never seen God, nor have I seen any evidence of the presence of God. Anyone who claims or has claimed to see God is a faggot.
By a human's perspective God doesn't care about its creations because natural disasters and disease shouldn't be happening, but it does.
A human knows disasters are a bad thing because we seem to care what happens to other people.
Now, let us take an example of a water dwelling organism. Assume that there's a flood in some place. Does the water dwelling organism care what happens to land dwelling organism during that flood? The water dwelling organism thrives during floods.
Floods are a good thing for water dwelling organisms and it's a bad thing for land dwelling organisms. Now, which organism is God supposed to care about? If it cares about the land dwellers floods shouldn't be happening, and if it cares about the water dwellers droughts shouldn't be happening.

>>18061349
Its almost like god cannot into giving fucks, wow god is so based

>>18061380
Caring about an event implies to be able to see if the event is good or bad, and this is subjective. Morality is totally a subjective trait. If anything, God has to be devoid of morality.

>>18061243
Holy cope batman

>>18061122 (OP)
>Does God like things because they're good?
Of course

Well, if God had willed something horrible, it would be good.