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Anonymous No.18071518 [Report] >>18071522 >>18071654 >>18071674 >>18073951
Within the contexts of Germany, politically, were the Nazis really quite so conservative and traditionalist? Or, were they very much anomalies, like the Communists and other kinds of Socialists were?
Anonymous No.18071522 [Report]
>>18071518 (OP)
No, they were blatantly revolutionaries, not traditionalists. The DNVP were the traditionalists who the Nazis hated and fucked over.
Anonymous No.18071654 [Report] >>18071668 >>18074314
>>18071518 (OP)
They presented themselves to the masses as revolutionaries who would bypass the usual deliberations and get things done.

Ideologically, they were machiavellians who would say whatever they needed to in order to win popularity, not too different from populists elsewhere. This means that sometimes the Nazis appealed to some form of Christianity, while other times they said the opposite – they'd say whatever they thought would make them popular with whatever audience they were talking to at the moment.

In terms of where the actual "loyalties" of the party leaders (such as Hitler) lay, they were radical in that sense as well, and definitely not conservative or traditionalist. This is mainly because the Nazi party in the 1920s and 1930s was actually funded by Zionists. The Zionists in that time period had a political goal of financing the migration of self-identified Jews to Palestine. Hence, you see the Haavara Agreement being signed, where from 1933 to 1938, Germany literally paid people who identified as Jews to migrate to Palestine. It was paid for by the German government. Thus, you could argue that the true ideology of the original Nazis was Zionism, and is actually hardly different from Zionists today. Modern Israelis have washed their hands of Nazi Germany, however, after having used them as a puppet to persecute the communists who refused to leave Europe during the Haavara agreement years of 1933-1938.
Anonymous No.18071668 [Report]
>>18071654
1928 is pretty early. Any idea what the Nazi Party might have looked like to someone like that?
Anonymous No.18071674 [Report]
>>18071518 (OP)
I recall a Goebbels speech early on after the Nazi rise to power where he was criticizing the traditionalists because the Nazis liked to party and get wild. He was like, national socialism is a philosophy of life, and life is worth living!!!
Anonymous No.18071684 [Report] >>18072225
But contradictory, I would say. Here's Goebbels railing against prudish "moralists."

>Things have gone so far that this company of moralists does not stop at the borders of private life. They would love to establish purity committees in cities and the countryside that would keep on eye on Müller’s and Schulze’s love and marriage life. It is true that they do not want to go so far as to ban kissing altogehter, as in the familiar operetta, since it is too popular a pastime. If it were up to them, however, they would turn National Socialist Germany into a wasteland of muttering and complaining, a place where denunciation, spying, and extortion were the order of the day.

>These same moralists often turn to government offices with the request to ban films, plays, operas, and operettas, since the dancers, stars, etc., apparently represent a grave danger to public decency. If we gave in to their demands, we should soon see only old ladies and men on the screen or the stage. The theaters would be empty, since the public generally does not attend them to see the same people they see in church or old people’s homes.

>Save us from these hypocritical creatures who have no genuine strong conception of life, and who in reality preach no honest morality. They generally are life’s losers, protesting life itself. Eternal life and its laws will hardly make way for them; at most, they will hide behind a screen of contemptible hypocrisy and dishonest prudery.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm
Anonymous No.18071685 [Report] >>18072225
But then also this (on women):

>A fundamental change is necessary. At the risk of sounding reactionary and outdated, let me say this clearly: The first, best, and most suitable place for the woman is in the family, and her most glorious duty is to give children to her people and nation, children who can continue the line of generations and who guarantee the immortality of the nation. The woman is the teacher of the youth, and therefore the builder of the foundation of the future. If the family is the nation’s source of strength, the woman is its core and center. The best place for the woman to serve her people is in her marriage, in the family, in motherhood. This is her highest mission. That does not mean that those women who are employed or who have no children have no role in the motherhood of the German people. They use their strength, their abilities, their sense of responsibility for the nation, in other ways. We are convinced, however, that the first task of a socially reformed nation must be to again give the woman the possibility to fulfill her real task, her mission in the family and as a mother.

>The national revolutionary government is everything but reactionary. It does not want to stop the pace of our rapidly moving age. It has no intention of lagging behind the times. It wants to be the flag bearer and pathfinder of the future. We know the demands of the modern age. But that does not stop us from seeing that every age has its roots in motherhood, that there is nothing of greater importance than the living mother of a family who gives the state children.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb55.htm
Anonymous No.18072225 [Report] >>18072260
>>18071684
>>18071685
I think what you may perceive as contradictory is more a matter of
>unwed young women should be out finding suitors and living it up and society should be welcoming of sexuality and eroticism (and whatever else the conservatives are complaining about) in art
>women shouldn't aspire to be working 9 to 5 but rather to be housewives and mothers"
It doesn't strike me as contradictory.
Anonymous No.18072260 [Report] >>18072277
>>18072225
Erotic partying with men does not lead to stable child rearing marriage. Young men behave like a pack of wolves when they party. This is why in ancient times men who partied procured "entertainment" from professionals, and didn't run around town sweeping young women up off the street.
Anonymous No.18072277 [Report] >>18072308
>>18072260
Your moralfagging is irrelevant as to whether Goebbels is being contradictory or not.
The NS were not prudish, but they were pro stay-at-home-wives (although not particularly extreme about it).
Anonymous No.18072308 [Report] >>18072388
>>18072277
>moralfagging
O.k. broken homes low fertility and std's it is then
Anonymous No.18072388 [Report]
>>18072308
>erotic partying
>broken homes
>low fertility
>std's
Your strawmen still have no relevancy to the conversation on whether Goebbels is contradicting himself.
Anonymous No.18072433 [Report] >>18072771
Nazis were not conservatives you fucking idiot

Conservatives want to preserve tradition. Nazis burned books, perverted christianity into a pagan larp, and destroyed the old aristocratic state.

Hitler literally called his shit "revolutionary socialism" and murdered the conservatives who helped him into power on the night of the long knives.

They were a death cult. A modernist, anti-tradition cancer. Just because they weren't commies doesn't make them right-wing in any meaningful sense.
Anonymous No.18072771 [Report]
>>18072433
>murdered the conservatives who helped him into power on the night of the long knives.
conservatism confirmed gay
>thinks christianity is trad and right wing
kek it's a revolutionary egalitarian proto-bolshevist volcel tranny doomsday cult
Anonymous No.18073951 [Report]
>>18071518 (OP)
>Within the contexts of Germany, politically, were the Nazis really quite so conservative and traditionalist?
Not really. They were more or less in the middle of the left-right axis, albeit incorporating some extreme positions from both sides.
Anonymous No.18074314 [Report] >>18074318
>>18071654
It's funny how Russians will lie and blame everyone other than themselves for Israel
>Da British created Israel
>Da Nazis created Israel
>Da Americans created Israel
Anonymous No.18074318 [Report]
>>18074314
They are so desperate to push these hoaxes