Thread 18078230

Why were jews expelled more than 1000 times?

>>18078230 (OP)
Merchants were always kept on watch, even the japanese caste system placed merchants really low.

>>18078230 (OP)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssholeVictim

>>18078230 (OP)
The question is framed to blame the victim.

> 1000 expulsions
Weasel stat that counts every local decree in a thousand years as a separate "expulsion".

For most of that period, everyone was getting kicked out of everywhere for religion, politics, or money. Rulers were fickle and rights were for nobody.

The real story is how a tiny, distinct group survived constant persecution and still contributed massively to every society they lived in.

>>18078230 (OP)
Scapegoating

>>18078230 (OP)
Their religious beliefs. Because of their religion they think they can screw people over deliberately and that non jews don't matter, exist to be taken advantage of.

They'll lie and say its jealousy, but that is just what they tell themselves to avoid taking accountability.

>>18078248
Oy yey

>>18078248
>contributed massively
It is against the religion of jews to contribute to anything except themselves.

>>18078230 (OP)
Oh, it's 1000 now is it? That's nice dear.

>>18078230 (OP)
>In 1215, the 4th Lateran Council, under Pope Innocent III, not only imposed a sign of recognition on the Jews to distinguish them from Christians, but also excluded them from guilds and public offices and forbade them from exercising any trade. He allowed them, however, the practice of usury, which he considered forbidden to Christians on the basis of the biblical prohibition to lend at interest to one’s brother (Leviticus 25:35-36).
Jews were allowed to engage in usury when Christians weren't and this made expelling them attractive to local aristocrats whenever they decided they'd rather not pay their accumulated debts. The Jews were expelled mostly out of greed on the side of goyim but, of course, that truth gets inverted and used to attack the Jews to obfuscate the reality of the situation.

>>18078265
William of Newburgh explicitly states that this is the reason the Jews in York were massacred and he's angry at the killers for doing it for money rather than out of pure antisemitism.

>>18078265
>Jews were allowed to engage in usury
Other forms of lending existed. You seem to be suggesting that the only way to get money was from jews, which is of course untrue.

>>18078286
I never suggested that, what I suggested is that as a vulnerable minority who were the only ones allowed to practice usury - expelling the Jews was primarily motivated by wealthy aristocrats not wanting to pay their debts. It wasn't because the "Jews were evil" or anything.

>>18078300
>a vulnerable minority
Jews believe because of their religion that non jews exist for jews to exploit. Jews aren't victims of anything except their own evil religion.

>>18078313
That's exactly the kind of propaganda Medieval aristocrats employed to justify themselves and you idiots are still falling for it.

>>18078330
>has never read the Talmud
Many such cases.

>>18078230 (OP)
they dindu nuffin
stop asking questions

>>18078230 (OP)
Jews have an exceptional talent for rubbing their host countries the wrong way.
While they are a resilient people, along with that comes an arrogance and lack of humility.
Jews don’t play well with others and this leads to a backlash.

>>18078258
Jews contributed nuclear weapons to the US

>>18078435
then stole it and threatened Nixon with nuking the world, i remember this too

>>18078438
You got dementia old man, let's get you to bed.

>>18078248
>Weasel stat that counts every local decree in a thousand years as a separate "expulsion".
>For most of that period, everyone was getting kicked out of everywhere for religion, politics, or money. Rulers were fickle and rights were for nobody.
So the Jews weren't some uniquely persecuted group and their entire culture and worldview is based on nothing?
>The real story is how a tiny, distinct group survived constant persecution
You can't have it both ways.

>>18078286
Describe these other forms of lending.

>>18078352
Please describe where the Talmud says these things.

>>18078352
>neonazis add hundreds of Herbew and Yiddish words to their speech and spend their free time studying Talmud
just a matter of time before they convert

>>18078440
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Deterrence_doctrine
i'm not an anti-semite and these are not conspiracies

>>18078452
lending without charging interest, like for example with a fixed fee, or not charging unreasonably high rates

you shouldn't be loaning money to screw people over, but lending money to help people is not necessarily bad.

>>18078454
>Please describe where the Talmud says these things.
many such cases

>>18078505
fixed fee incentivizes the borrower to not return the money. that's why not a single financial institution (including UAE,saudis etc where interest is prohibited) does it.also what is an unreasonably high rate?

>>18078505
>high rates
There's that cope again.
>Libbre David 37
Will you admit to being a liar and a charlatan if I can demonstrate this doesn't say what you claim?

>>18078516
>what is an unreasonably high rate
its subjective, if you're perceived as acting in bad spirit then you are and shouldn't. If you can't figure out where that line is then don't do it.

>>18078518
meh

>>18078528
No, but seriously, you'll admit to being a liar if I can show that Libbre David 37 doesn't say that?

>>18078519
it's not really subjective though is it - most places that charge high interest rates do so if the loan comes with a high risk of delinquency or is in a high risk industry (gambling). also based on current central bank interest rates you can determine what an unreasonably high interest rate is. so what is it? you have to define it because your whole argument stands on it and if you've already conceded on the fixed fee by not addressing it

>>18078538
>you have to define it
you don't have to define it. its subjective, and depends on the specific circumstances going into each instance. Intent matters. Being cognizant of how you're perceived matters. Hiding behind some constructed set of laws is not a defense.

>>18078533
meh

>>18078564
You lies about what Libbre David 37 says, didn't you?

>>18078572
What does Libbre David 37 say anon?

>>18078352
Neither have you, since you retards out yourselves by referring to it as an organized text rather than compiled legalistic arguing between people centuries apart.

>>18078573
>>18078576
meh

better get jewgle on the phone and make them change the algorithm

>>18078577
>downplaying the importance of the talmud
not buying it

>>18078606
You know how I know you're lying about what Libbre David 37 says?

>>18078623
What I know is that you were trying to have the whole body of allegations dismissed on the grounds that you could find fault with one of them.

>the Jews want to keep the Talmud secret! It even says to kill gentiles who read the Talmud, in the Talmud!
>Jews put the entire Talmud online, for anyone to read for free
Did they forget they were supposed to be keeping it a secret or something?

>>18078631
Shall I tell you how I know you're lying about what Libbre David 37 says?

>>18078248
>still contributed massively to every society they lived in.
cool it with the anti-semitism. just because some jews happen to be somewhat over-represented in media and financial institutions doesn't mean there's a dark plot to massively contribute to every society they live in, anon

>>18078656
>I know you're lying
shut it jew boy, your laws bind you from making false accusations. Your chicken sacrifices are also not fooling anyone.

>>18078675
I know you're lying about what Libbre David 37 says, because there's no such section as Libbre David.

>>18078448
>So the Jews weren't some uniquely persecuted group

They're unique in that they survived Christian/Catholic persecution in Europe - unlike the Iberians, Cathars, pagan cultures, etc. due to their religious connection to the common culture, and their niche as a financial/scapegoat caste in the feudal system.

Basically, the proselytizing Abrahamic faiths are like a cancer upon human cultural diversity - imposing their acute yet 'universalist' (unapologetically assimilationist) narrative on everyone else they stumble upon. The enlightenment and secularism has tampered this with Christians.

>and their entire culture and worldview is based on nothing?

Their culture and worldview is based on and defined by themselves, like any other culture. It revolves around their relation to non-Jews in your head (i.e. a history of persecution) because you don't care to understand or empathize with them (would contradict your already-ingrained head-canon).

>t. former antisemite

>>18078680
Jewggle disagrees >>18078606

>>18078762
>doesn't say anything about Libbre David
You lost.

>>18078792
You sure about that?

>>18078749
>due to their religious connection to the common culture

Not still, they are always destroyed but those who seek to do evil find their justifications provided by talmud jew religion so there is always a steady stream of converts to Satan's synagogue. So long as men seek to do evil, jews will always exist.

>>18078505
Charging ANY interest was usury.

>>18078807
>AI overview
You lot tranny. You can instantly prove me wrong by linking to the rest of Libbre David.

>>18078564
>constructed set of laws
yes, interest rates are SUBJECT to some laws and industry standards that financial institutions abide by.
you said there are other forms of lending but you can't describe or define them and you're avoiding specifics for a reason, because as long as the argument is abstract you can keep being slippery because your fixed rate argument fell apart.
what do you think a high interest rate would be if you yourself would be in the business of lending money - what number you think would make you perceived as acting in "bad spirit"? or better yet, if governments would implement regulations to limit the amount of bad faith lending, what would the interest rate cap be?

>>18078825
That's been memory holed. The new definition of usury is essentially "not charging so high interest rates that the goyim start to notice".

>>18078230 (OP)
conflicts of interest

>>18078230 (OP)
>standard fed op's are so lazy that they just post grok result captures now...

>>18078467
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
LOL, never heard of this before.

>>18078842
Nah, jews just want a list of rules so they can use those to excuse their bullshit. Its better to let them be judged based on their intent and how what they do is perceived.

>>18078869
there is historical evidence of sumerians charging interest, nearly 3000 bc, it's not specific to just jews. are you being retarded for comedic effect?

>>18078875
charging interest, per se, is not the issue

>>18078878
any interest is making the lender rich, usury is high interest rates basically. what is the number? also, you think usury wasn't practiced by sumerians? or by indians, since it's mentioned in vedic texts as early as 1000bc?

>>18078885
>you have to define it
you don't have to define it. its subjective, and depends on the specific circumstances going into each instance. Intent matters. Being cognizant of how you're perceived matters. Hiding behind some constructed set of laws is not a defense

>>18078878
If interest isn't the issue, what are you screeching about?

>>18078887
concession accepted

>>18078898
I'll use an analogy, think of it like speed limits. Driving fast isn't dangerous, per se, but putting limits on how fast people should drive makes it so that they don't inadvertently cause a problem. Interest rates are the same, not inherently bad but can be used to do harm. That is why discernment is required in judgement, a concept you apparently lack understanding of. Creating some arbitrary standard does nothing to address the issue. Another metaphor you hear a lot is to do with guns, that being that guns don't kill people but the people using the guns kill people. There is nothing inherently wrong with having guns, and when used to cause harm it is the causer of harm who should be judged accordingly. Outlawing interest is retarded, like outlawing guns would be. That is why each case should be evaluated to determine what is appropriate, like I said, intentions matter and one should always be cognizant of how they are perceived because it matters.

>>18078921
penalties increase based on how much over the speed limit you are though, meaning that these numbers are defined. For example, here going up to 140 over a 90 speed limit will get you a fine and a warning. If you're caught going over 140, you may have your license revoked.
in non-retard countries, gun laws are also specific (albeit unquantifiable in the same manner) - certain types of arms are prohibited and the ones that are not are specific to different trades, like hunting. There are specifics in each of the analogies you've cited that are clearly defined.
>Outlawing interest is retarded
i didnt' say outlawing interest, i said capping it with regulation to prevent what you refer to as interest rates that are too high.

>>18078921
also, the intent between charging low or high interest is exactly the same - to make a profit on lending. what other intention is there in charging high interest rates?

>>18078937
You want a universal law which can be applied to all in every circumstance. That is not the correct approach, because it will never be just in all circumstances. Discernment is required, active judgement. Why? because otherwise the evil will hide behind the law, as they do.

>>18078945
when did i say i want a universal law? i asked you in a hypothetical example, if a regulation would be introduced in a country to cap interest rates, what would the number be? and you still are not able to define what a bad faith interest is lol, discern and make the active judgement ffs
>evil will hide behind the law, as they do.
you're not a character in a movie

>>18078957
>what would the number be?
you don't have to define it. its subjective, and depends on the specific circumstances going into each instance. Intent matters. Being cognizant of how you're perceived matters. Hiding behind some constructed set of laws is not a defense

It's extremely inflated number and also victim blaming ("Look how our people genocided X and Y in the past it surely mean they're evil and need to get genocided again from our pure innocent societies", You don't need an highly functioning brain to see the absurd in that statement). Take a small look at the world today and you could easily see how societies of the past would blame the Jews for wild shit and let their dark emotions run free in the dehumanization efforts.

Anti-semites are genuinely worthless in any civil discussion, This is unique for Jew hatred contrary to other forms of bigotry, Like something mindbroke the reasoning process and they simply can't help but track everything back to the same predictable conclusion, wasting everyone time.

>>18078248
right and they were forced into banking too

>>18078972
what's is the possible intent behind a high interest rate if not to make a profit on lending (which is also applicable to low interest rates)?

>>18079080
you must be retarded, or pretending to be. Can you truly not envision any situation where you might utilize interest rate control as a tool to harm one group or favor another group?

>>18079096
you're not able to define anything and copypasting responses after failing to describe other forms of lending. you could have just said "i don't know"
> as a tool to harm one group or favor another group?
for example?

>still no evidence that Libbre David exists
Up the road not across the tracks. Do it.

>>18079167
jewggle disagrees >>18078807 >>18078606

>>18078230 (OP)
>''The Jews live parasitically on the soil of other nations, but they are inspired with the greatest patriotism toward their own tribe. They stick firmly together. Thus, it is absurd to concede to them a share in the government or administration of any country.''
- Arthur Schopenhauer

>''Judaism excludes from its communion the entire human race, on the ground that Jews are a special people chosen by God himself. An exclusiveness which shows enmity toward all other peoples and which, therefore, evokes the enmity of all.''
- Immanuel Kant

>>18078230 (OP)
Jewish behavior.

>>18079002
Most "Jews(tm)" aren't Semites and the majority of Semites are not and never have been Jews. Granted, all Semites are sub-humans of varying kinds, but they need no be Jews in particular.

You lews.

I win.

>>18079459
>AI hallucination machine
Pathetic liar. Kill yourself.