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Anonymous No.18081053 [Report] >>18081076
Ok so budism is supposed to end suffering by eliminating greed , ignorance and hate.
But these things dont make me suffer. Like at all i get the greed part where it can be kinda annoying that i dont get what i want. But getting rid of these things. If anything it ends the suffering of others.
Wich of course isnt a bad thing.
Anonymous No.18081076 [Report] >>18081117 >>18081129
>>18081053 (OP)
The Buddhist idea that desire causes suffering never sat right with me. If you were to put your hand on a hot stove, you will suffer without any initial desire. Sure you will desire to move your hand away from the stove but that comes after the suffering. In which case, it could just as easily be said that suffering causes desire

If getting rid of desire would get rid of suffering, why do buddhists never do it the other way around? Attempting to get rid of desire by getting rid of suffering. I think they dont try it because they know it doesnt work, humans have been trying to reduce suffering since the dawn of time to no success. Yet Buddhists have such confidence that the same thing done backwards will be the magic bullet that works for some reason

Its all wishful thinking to me
Anonymous No.18081117 [Report]
>>18081076
That's because the English words "desire" and "suffering", in the everyday meanings people use, don't mean the same thing as the concepts of tanha and dukkha. In the same way Catholics split hairs over "begotten not made" and people in everyday conversation still say "make a baby".
Anonymous No.18081129 [Report]
>>18081076
The point, which isn't one I agree with, is that suffering IS desire. A painful, burnt hand only makes you suffer because you desire there not to be pain. If you were entirely content with your pain, as some terminally ill people become, you be content and not suffering.
My issue with this is that it assumes suffering is worthless and evil. Really, going through difficult periods of your life develops who you are, and I believe, can provide a person with real wisdom. Absolute contentment, as the buddhists want, would be absolute stagnation, no development of the Self.
This kind of makes sense, because the Buddhists want to eliminate the Self, but that just leads to another problem. They say that the Self is an illusion because, when they meditate, their goal is to eliminate reflective thought, and doing this makes your sense of Self disappear. The problem is that reflective thought is exactly the thing that recognizes the Self. What they're doing is basically taking a microscope away from a cell-biologist and saying "See! There's no cells! They're an illusion!". Imo their meditation bullshit is what leads to illusion. They're intentionally blinding one of their senses.
Anonymous No.18081145 [Report]
Ignorance is evil
Thats why i ignore everything
Anonymous No.18081205 [Report]
Buddhism really just seems like coping woth being oriental