Thread 18094840

Italians are still rather Roman

>1/3 anatolian
>almost 1/4 middle eastern in some cases
>barely any hellenic, which some claim is the source of swarthiness
not looking good

>sardinians = roman republic
I thought sardinians were a WHG enclave, in any case southern italy has been heavily enswarthened and this is what we can take from your little map

>G25
untrustworthy

>>18094974
Everyone knows by now that G25 can't be used for Italians and Greeks because of Davidski's biased anchoring, even Bergamo would be 15% or so "non-European" on this map if it displayed these things accurately.

>>18095000
Italians literally look identical to jews, new-yorkers joke about this on the internet.

>>18095000
Let's all pretend Iran N, Natufian, and Iberomaurusian are 100% Euro components.

>>18094840 (OP)
>>18094851
>>18095000
South Italians don't have any Middle Eastern DNA. Sicilians and Calabrians have a little bit of Nafri which the retard is probably mismodeling it as that:
>This pattern is also evident when Bronze Age Greeks (Table 1) or ancient Steppe groups (Table S3) are used in place of AN. These observations suggest that populations from Central and Southern Italy had a lower contribution from AN than Lombardy, or alternatively, that Central and Southern Italians received contributions from other different groups, possibly associated with present-day Middle Eastern or African regions
>However, when the affinity of Italian groups with African and Middle Eastern populations was tested, Southern Italians resulted not significantly closer to any of the two (Table S4)

>>18095034
I don't care what they are, and that has nothing to do with the fact that you're just pretending Northern Italy has nearly 0% of that when they have 3/5ths of the amount that Southern Italy does. You'd have to concede all Italians are non-white if you wanted to be consistent but the Quattrocento and Cinquecento are too appetizing to steal as part of your white nationalism garbage so you'll pretend North Italy and Tuscany are white but anything South of that isn't, and cover up the genetics of how Northern Italy actually is purely out of your racial hatred for Italians.

>>18095051
What if it's a cline and you claim all of Italy except for Campania and South?

>>18095060
>Levantine/Anatolian BA
Snake terminology. Anatolia BA/IA is distinct from Levantines. Zero Natufian in Italy in most models.

>>18095078

We call Turks nonwhite but we are supposed to call Anatolian outside of ANF white?

Iran N is white while in Europe. How convenient.

>>18095041
The only thing that matters is your YDNA and if you’re descended from a recent foreigner or not from the agnatic line.

>>18095086
>>18095087
South Italians and modern Greeks have less Iran_N than certain ancient Greek samples. That also makes Anatolian and Greek ancestry hard to distinguish. They were very similar.

>>18095108
I see the same Iran N for Campania.
If Anatolian and Greek have the same components why is one White and one nonwhite? Also, many Anatolian Greeks existed

>>18095173
I don't care about "huwite". Just pointing out that it's distinct from Levantines. G25 has messed up anchors like the previous poster said, but it seems you can still force it to not be retarded like this. I could replicate the model used in this study somewhat: >>18095041 The only people with significant Natufian in Italy are Jews. Sometimes Sicilians will get modeled with a ton of Natufian in G25 but it's actually Taforalt/IBM. It's due to Natufian itself being IBM/Taforalt mixed.

>>18094840 (OP)
Friendly reminder that the person behind most "Italians are European" threads on /his/ and /int/ is this ugly J2 mongrel from Bari.

>>18095207
Why are you still spamming this random Brazilian you found on /int/ you nafri nigger?

Can anyone analyze this guy's DNA?

>>18095265
But you already did it yourself, no? And you can see that putting Natufian in there almost doesn't change the distance.

>>18094840 (OP)
Nope, they don’t worship Roman paganism and instead worship Catholicism.
Unless you sacrifice goats to Jupiter and Mars, you are not Roman.

>>18094840 (OP)
>Most Germanic areas are where Renaissance happened
Total Hegelian victory.

>>18095351

>Catholicism
>Not Paganism

>>18094840 (OP)
This has to be bunk. How is there so much Anatolian yet so little Greek?

>>18095440
You're acting like Anatolian and Greek are separate concepts when many Greeks from Anatolia moved to Southern Italy.

>>18095440
>>18095447
That's why it should be referred to as GRECO-Anatolian. It's not pure Anatolian obviously. South Italians are still the closest to Bronze Age Greeks and Minoans besides Maniots and islanders. And we don't have Classical Greek samples yet.
>The admixture graph (Fig. 3) helped in delineating ancestral genetic population differences and similarities between present-day Southern Italians and Greeks in whom an overall higher Steppe-related ancestry was detected (Fig. 2B, Table S3). In particular, we were able to fit a graph admixture model in which 63% of the Minoan genome was found in a population that contributed 97% to the genetic pool of present-day Apulians (Fig. 3A). Contrary, modern Greeks were successfully modelled as an admixture of populations related to present-day Balkan populations (Serbian, (43)) and Bronze Age Greek groups, here represented by Minoans (Fig. 3B). This could potentially explain the differences found in Steppe-related ancestries between the two present-day populations. Additionally, these results suggest a more recent gene exchange between Greeks and neighbouring Slavic-related populations. Alternatively, they could be explained by different ancient legacies between the two sides of the Adriatic Sea, as the result of pre-Bronze Age genetic structure in the Balkans

Iran components are not White

>>18095566
Clearly it wasn't just 'CHG' that Yamna had. CHG is just Iran_N mixed with EHG anyway.

>>18095584
I'm talking about the excess. Iberia doesnt get that much excess Iran and you pretend it's the same.

>>18095591
Different source of ancestries. The Bell Beakers had little to none Iran/Caucasus related admixture compared to Yamna. The 'CHG' in Iron Age Iberia was reduced to almost nothing as a result. Modern Iberians were then shifted toward Caucasus/Iran by the Romans.

>>18095682
So Spain is whiter. Bell Beakers make places whiter.

>>18095051
Fuck italians, what they ever done for us

>>18095041
>>18095078
>>18095108
>>18095186

This. It's the same shit model where they use mixed Phoenician/Punic mixed outliers as "North Africans/Levantines". It only takes 5 seconds looking at any Y-dna study to realize that the actual sum of Semitic and Nafri haplogroups like E-V12, E-M81, J1P58... in Southern Italy are in the single digit. Sicilians are bit different because of the high amount of Levantine maternal DNA. Maltese even more with their African maternal DNA.

>In a 2020 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, researchers have shown that there is substantial genetic continuity in Lebanon since the Bronze Age interrupted by three significant admixture events during the Iron Age, Hellenistic, and Ottoman period. In particular, the Phoenicians can be modeled as a mixture of the local Bronze Age population (63–88%) and a population coming from the North, related to ancient Anatolians or ancient South-Eastern Europeans (12–37%). The results show that a Steppe-like ancestry, typically found in Europeans, appears in the region starting from the Iron Age.[91]

>>18095696
Iberians have High WHG from the local copper Age farmers which gives them a pseudo-nordic shift. Their steppe component is average.

>>18095238
Why are you ashamed of your ugly mutt face, terrone?

>>18094840 (OP)
I feel bad for the Roman sometimes, then I remember I'm German and we have arguably the best most non admixture'd genetics.

Anyway if Italians arent really that Roman than who is the most Roman out of the Mediterranean realms?

>>18096358
You're about to get a bunch of Polish replies saying Germans are the most raped people in history

>>18094840 (OP)
The place where the Roman empire started......Is still pretty Roman?

>>18096363
Well no shit of course they're going to say that, afterall it was only 80 years ago they got butt fucked by the those dastardly krauts.

>>18096358
Italians remain the only people in the world with significant Italic DNA. Spaniards and French have Celtic, it's similar but not the same. Yes that got diluted with Greek, Anatolian, and some Germanic and Celtic over centuries of empire and the barbarian invasions but only they can be considered heirs to the Italic peoples by direct descent.

>>18096380
It's just a coincidence mostly due to looking at averages and not composition caused by the dual and opposite replacement of afroasiatic and germanic immigrants that cancelled each other out. Read the Davidisky blog, iron age/republican romans were closer to untainted high steppe populations like poles than modern italians.

>>18096108
Sicily and Calabria have mostly Nafri admixture. It gets confused with Levantine in bad models.

>>18096696
They have much more Black ancestry actually...

>Our distal modeling of modern Sicilians requires not only the two eastern ancestry sources that we have shown were present by the Bronze Age—10.0 ± 2.6% Yamnaya_Samara and 19.9 ± 1.4% Iran_Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic— but also a predominant component of North African ancestry (46.9 ± 5.6% Morocco_LN) (Fig. 4, Supplementary Table 14). These results are consistent with most of the North African-related ancestry having come into Sicily in the Iron Age and afterward, a scenario that is further supported by our observation that modern Sicilians form a clade with Ibiza_Phoenician (p=0.060) and the three most recent Sardinian individuals in our time series (Supplementary Materials). Although these results are consistent in principle with a nearly complete ancestry turnover on the island since the Bronze Age.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7080320/

>>18096699
>>18096699
Not sure how did they get that much. Iberians also get double digits like this but nowhere near that amount.

>>18096746
Look up Marocchinate. Not long ago, hordes of Black colonial troops were roaming the Italian countryside filling every Italian wombs they met with thick negroid semen.

As for Spain, Franco's Conquest was done by African troops who also flooded every Iberian wombs they met with monkey juice. Francoists even boasted about their Black Bvlls' sexual prowesses on the radio.

>"Our brave legionaries and regulars have taught the cowards of the reds what it means to be a man. And, by the way, also to women. After all, these communists and anarchists deserve it, have not they been playing free love? Now at least they will know what real men are and not sissy militiamen. They will not fight, no matter how hard they struggle and kick."
Division General Gonzalo Queipo de Llano, 1937

>>18096358
Albanians. Simply because the earliest Iron Age Roman samples have Albanic YDNA like J2b-l283 and R1b-z2108.

>>18094851
The reason italian are super roman is because the study used "Roman Republic" as "every single individual that lived in Italy 800 BC - 100 BC, which includes:
- south italian samples
- central Italian samples
- North east italian samples (picenes)
- Latini IA (nw italians/north east spaniards).
The mix of all those lands somewhere in corsica.
It's a bad model.
If you really want the truthnuke:

-North Italians are 40% Italoceltic, then they are 40% south italian (imperial cluster C6) and then 20% germano-slavic.
-Central Italians are a fake ethnicity born from mixing of south italians and north italians, but can be modelled as "north-italian-lite", less italoceltic and germanic, more imperial.
- South Italians are 1/3 Mycenaean-like, 1/3 Anatolian-like, 1/3 Italoceltic, or 85+% C6 Imperial, with minimal contribution.

Spaniards are 60-70% Iberia IA, 15-35% Imperial, 10-20% North african. (Not pure iberomaurusian)
French people are 20~ Imperial, 20~ Germanic, 60~ celtic, on average.
The most italic people in the world are probably Central Italians, followed by north italians, in terms of direct ancestry.

>>18096831
Spaniards are 5-35% Imperial*

>>18096358
>>18096363
Germans are the biggest mongrels of Europe.

>>18096831
This >>18096795 is all in Tuscany and north Latinum. Also we have a phenomenon called the 4th century BC dilemma where all genetic samples from 800 to 400 bc cannot he properly calibrated. See Haldanes dilemma. Here’s a good primer > https://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/04/haldanes-dilemma-should-we-worry.php

Therefore, All R1b-U152 samples thus hail from Brennus rape and later the Celtic men enslaved by Rome.

>>18096906
Albanians are completely retarded.
So annoying, should be IP-range banned like India

>>18096906
Are you talking about these samples? They are Etruscans, not Romans.

>>18096925
>>18096941
>earliest YDNA is Albanic
>etruscans and Romans both hail from the Aegean
>hadlanes dilemma solves early Celtic R1b-U152 intrusion as miscalibration
>you can cope about Albanic dna arriving same time but the truth is that the Etruscan language comes from Lemnos and the Romans come from Troy

>>18094840 (OP)
One after another...
There is no such thing as an Anatolian admixture.
There's the Levant, there's the Caucasus. Anatolia s a blend of both plus some other admixtures.

Here's a much better map:

The most "Roman" regions are Corsica, 71%, and Lombardy - 45% and Umbria - 45%.

>>18096951
>>18094840 (OP)
And here's a PCA of major Italian regions, Spain and Rome.
It shows why the latter is closer to Rome than the former.

>>18096951
>>18096955
"There is no such thing as Anatolian"
There is. They had their whole language n all.
Also hilarious how your charts just EXUDE pure dishonesty lmao.
1 Mycenaean sample used instead of an average.
No mycenaean samples or Anatolian sample plotted.
You've been spamming these graphs for years.
The day you'll kill yourself is always one day too late.
You should've done it yesterday.

>>18096951
Kys retard. Chhim Lebanon is not pure Levantine

>>18096973
Wow, Lebanon_MBA with 20x more Natufian is the same as BA Anatolia!!

>>18096968
>1 Mycenaean sample used instead of an average.
You don't understand how this stuff works.

The target sample should be an average, but the source can be 1 sample.

>>18096831
North African is better than Anatolian roaches

>>18096968
Cope, you hate g25 because it helps make you visualize your brown ancestry. Blame it on the misfortune of your birth.

>>18094840 (OP)
aren't Anatolians just "asian" Greeks?
Anatolia was Greek during the Roman empire

>>18096951
>>18097035
>>18097052
Reminder: this guy is a reddit cuck with a BBC fetish: https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/1ifvx2a/modern_italian_regions_detailed_genetic_admixture/
No one cares about your troll models. Levant/Natufian in Italy is noise tier.

>>18097086
Still West Asia. Just separate BA Anatolian to get the West Asia.

R1b u152 italic master race report in :)

>>18096676
Lmao no

>>18094840 (OP)
>lazio 3/4 republican roman
yeah, obviously they included outliers here, what's even the point of this shit

ok what next?

>>18097100
>Lebanon
>Turkey Hellenistic
>Morocco Neolitich

Shit model with. Stick with the actual pure pops.

>>18096108

>>18094840 (OP)
the most delusional chart ever made

>>18097153
Maybe west Sicily

>>18097121
What a compelling argument, everyone know about the double replacement in italy. It's self evident even to american tourists.

>>18096831
>the study
that's a shitty chart made with g25

>>18096831
>Spaniards are 60-70% Iberia IA, 15-35% Imperial, 10-20% North african. (Not pure iberomaurusian)
spaniards are 0 to 10% north africa

>>18097153
look like a negro, a negro from sub saharan africa

>>18097205
Curious why you didn't include the actual Juvenal quote about immigrants where he calls them Greeks and even names the regions they came from.
South Italians = closest to ancient Greeks
North Italians = closest to Celto-Italics
You = closest to the actual barbarian Germs who ruined Rome by chimping out and being the ancient version of BLM

>>18097250
that's a thracian sample

>>18097211
Lol. Fuck off davidski, nobody cares about mutt poles

>>18097211
based and true

>>18097257
>saaar you're not Greek you're Thracian

>>18097343
this sample >>18097250 is thracian

>>18097250
thracian man with e-v13

>>18096968
>You've been spamming these graphs for years.
Glad you noticed. Maybe you should read it thoroughly every time you see it so you learn something.

>>18097113
Celtic rapebaby. The Romans were descended from the Trojans and Illyrians

>>18097207
Lots of ancestry from Palermo area.

>>>>18097207
>>18097250
The Romans (real early Iron Age descendants of Alba Longa) had Albanic agnatic lineage. These were Yamnaya >Proto Illyrian > Trojan lineages >>>> J2b2-l283 and R1b-z2108 >> the agnatic lineages of the patrician clans that mixed with the local women. The Romans looked like this before being replaced, at least amongst the plebians > Celtic barbarians, Levantine merchants and slaves, Anatolians, Egyptians and such before real Illyrians came in and took the empire and revitalized it in 240 AD but they were succumbed to Christianity in 312 that was the Trojan horse of destruction. The Illyrians ruled for over 300 years. Pic related what Roman’s looked like.

>>18097453
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/1ifvx2a/modern_italian_regions_detailed_genetic_admixture/
>Checked op's profile, maybe he has made similar posts about other euros... You have been warned.
>A man of culture. Population Genetics and BBC Porn
>Are you a whitr supremacist with a bbc fetish ?

>>18096358
French obviously, they're the ones that weren't raped by some kind of brown creatures.

>>18097628
France is shock full of J, E and other East Med haplos that weren't present in the Iron Age. They are Imperial rapebabies like Iberians and Germans. Pure Italics are irrelevant in the big picture.

A lot of Italians have Sephardic/converso ancestry. My family is one of them.

>>18097268
Why don't you send your dna plus 20 bucks to get your cords on g25, it's absolutely worth it

>>18097670
North Africa is the one that makes you darker. Only Sicily, Calabria, Malta, Portugal, and West Spain have it.

>calculus
>couple shitalians in my class
>all have the skin tone of gypsies/niggers
>a few have weird frizzy nigger hair but don't loo half cast
>mfw the albanian kid looks swedish

>>18097947
you'll never be whit eshitalian

>>18094851
Sardinia is really interesting. It's mostly settled by anatoliam farmers. They survived the indo european invasions. They never bumked into western hunter gatherers. The og of europeans. Interestingly enough they aren't brown. They are light skinned and have strong Mediterranean features.

>>18097957
Analbanians are 40% Greco-Anatolian.

>>18098047
Meant for: >>18097951

>>18098047
Turkey Hellenistic isn't pure Anatolian
This is what it ends up as for IA when you take out West Anatolia

>>18097951
If southern italians are shitskins so are albanians

>>18098047
tukey hellenic is not greek

>>18094840 (OP)
VGH

So this is the power of the Levantine pussy

>Y-chromosome admixture proportions to the current SSI genetic pool indeed confirm an high paternal contribution from the South-Eastern Mediterranean populations, and particularly from the Balkan Peninsula (∼60%), whereas about 25% of SSI Y-chromosomes can be traced back to North-Western European group. Analogously, although the present-day SSI mtDNA genetic pool is largely shared with the other South-Eastern European populations of the Mediterranean Basin (respectively Balkan and Italian Peninsulas), a remarkable proportion of maternal ancestry (especially if compared with its paternal counterpart) derives from the Levant.

>In fact, whereas the different continental and within continental contributions to the current SSI genetic pool appeared to be more equally distributed on the maternal side (despite a noteworthy contribution of Levantine females), the paternal counterpart appeared to be clearly affected by South-Eastern Mediterranean, mainly Balkan, males.

>>18097835
Maltese are Southern Italians who learnt Arabic from their Nafri mothers.

>The study by Capelli et al. has concluded that the contemporary males of Malta most likely originated from Southern Italy[29] and that there is a minuscule input from the Eastern Mediterranean.[30] The study also indicates that Malta was barely inhabited at the turn of the tenth century and was likely to have been repopulated by settlers from Sicily and Calabria who spoke Siculo-Arabic.[19][18]

>Results: The major Maltese mtDNAs and Y haplogroups could be attributed to West Eurasian haplogroups. mtDNA: H (35%), T (18%), K (12%), J (5%), U (5%), X (1%), W (1%); predicted Y chromosome clades: R1 (29%), J2 (22%), E1b1b (12%), G (12%), and I (10%). African mtDNA lineages were also present: L1 (0.4%), L2 (10%), L3 (1%), M1 (0.4%).

>>18097835
Nah that's Middle Eastern jeet genes. Iberians are a lot whiter than Greeks and Italians.

>>18098971
"White" is simply a color. Tons of Iberians overlap with Nafris when it comes to skintones.

Iberians have High WHG from their Cooper Age farmers ancestors, which pulls them in a pseudo-nordic direction.

>>18098990
>"White" is simply a color.
white is genetic profile, that does not include southern europeans

>Tons of Iberians overlap with Nafris when it comes to skintones.
there are various alleles that determine pigmentation, like pic related

>Iberians have High WHG from their Cooper Age farmers ancestors
iberians do not have high whg

>>18097835
all mena garbage makes you brown

>>18099060
>all mena garbage makes you brown
all bronze age menagarbage btw, don't try your usual pilpul of going back to the neolithic, you know what i mean

>>18098971
iberians are whiter because they have significantly less mena ancestry in general

>>18099060
>Le multiple allele meme

That single one explains fairly well the variance in skin tone even among Iberians.

>>18099074
>Le multiple allele meme
>meme
get the fuck outta here, you complete retard
>That single one explains fairly well the variance in skin tone even among Iberians.
utterly irrelevant

>>18099060
iberians have less whg than the average french or swiss

>>18099068
Iberians are darker in skin tone so they are less white. Being brown because of adapting to the desert climate doesn't make you less brown Paco

>>18099094
i'm not a shitberian, they're all brown in southern europe, and have around the same level of brown pigmentation

>>18094840 (OP)
italians are probably 35% italic/romans on average, with southerners being 10%

>>18099074
>the difference from dark green to light green is from allele frequency of 0.8 to 0.6

Bleak

>Studies indicate that the light-skin-associated L374F variant (rs16891982) of the
SLC45A2 gene has an effect size of approximately 4 melanin units

Grim

This whole shitpost ammount to less than one melanin unit.

>>18099094
Iberians are white both in the genetic sense and the litteral sense. Italians are basically Lebanese.

>>18099110
Way less, try low single digits.

>>18099114
Even Sicily and Calabria are whiter than Iberia. Look at Iberberiann's Twitter

>>18099110
Bullshit.

Italians are easily 40-70% Iron Age Italic in models without mixed samples like Phoenicians or Hellenistic Anatolians.

>>18096108

>>18099122
south italians are total shitskins just like iberians, literally same level of brown

>Iberberiann
don't confuse him for some brown terrone splitting hairs over who's slightly more brownskinned and negrolooking, he's anti shitalian too, rightfully so

>>18096108
>This. It's the same shit model where they use mixed Phoenician/Punic mixed outliers as "North Africans/Levantines". It only takes 5 seconds looking at any Y-dna study to realize that the actual sum of Semitic and Nafri haplogroups like E-V12, E-M81, J1P58... in Southern Italy are in the single digit. Sicilians are bit different because of the high amount of Levantine maternal DNA. Maltese even more with their African maternal DNA.

What do you mean, they were invaded by muslim cuckolds who gave them their wife harems? It doesnt make sense.

>>18099122
let's take a look
https://x.com/iBerberiann/status/1974883725482881413

>>18099060
>>18099062
>>18099088

Is this the same retard who believe that MENA Jews with 55% of blues and 12% of Red hair are brown?

>We used the same method as above. The blue eye recessive allele rs12913832/G [86] had frequency 55% in EAJ (33/60; 95% CI: [42,67]%; Data S2, Table 6), again similar to the MAJ frequency (54.8%). The red hair recessive alleles rs1805007/T, rs1805008/T, and rs1805009/C [87] were present in 8.3% of EAJ (5/60; 95% CI: [3.6,18.1]%, Data S2, Table 6) compared to 12.4% in MAJ. No homozygous carriers were observed

>>18099126
Iron age Italic is 14% for South Italy. South Italy is Greek

>>18099147
>Is this the same retard who believe that MENA Jews with 55% of blues and 12% of Red hair are brown?
those are not "mena jews", they're imbred european jews
also 55% derived rs12913832 doesn't mean 55% blue eyes
also south italians are darker and even tuscans have lower rates of rs12913832 let alone southern italians, you're not an ashkenazi jew
and yes AJ brown half middle easterners, i guess they could pass off as white in medjeet lands

as for skin color being polygenetic... well literally all studies in the world agree with me
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33443182/
>Skin pigmentation is a classic example of a polygenic trait that has experienced directional selection in humans.

white = northern european, exclusively

>>18096108
>E-V12, E-M81, J1P58
You forget G, J2, T, E-M2, E-M123, E-V65 and E-V13. All of them combined makes up more than half of Italy's male population, hence why Italians are so brown.

>>18099159
e-v13, G and some clades of J came to europe in the neolithic, so they're not that relevant to MENAmuttization during the roman era

TRVKE

Italians are Semitic rapemeat, Iberians are half Semitic rapebabies.

>>18099161
They contribute to Italians' overall brownness tho, especially E-V13 which is around 20% in Italy.

>>18095566
the merkele yamnaya are so obviously the purest yamnaya

>>18099142
that's a very accurate meme

>>18097628
Nordicist scum, trojan horse for white people.

>>18099221
the french are nordic

>>18094840 (OP)
they are including outliers

>>18099157
Well Hirisplex, which has 90% of correct prediction rate, has Tuscans between French and Basques.

>>18099221

Your skin adapting to the sun by evolution doesn't make you less brown Paco. Iberia is a desert

>>18099252
how about you stop replying to me with retarded shit?
did you debunk any single one of my arguments? no
the jews from that study are still not mena jews but european jews
55% derived rs12913832 still doesn't mean 55% blue eyes
south italians are still darker than ashkenazi jews
tuscans and even more so south italians still have less rs12913832 derived alleles than ashkenazi jews
ashkenazi jews are still brown half middle easterners
skin color is still polygenic

>>18099252
this study you're posting is only for eye color
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1872497310000323

>>18099110
>>18099117
nope

nice try nafri scum

>>18096696
>anatolian hellenistic
not greek

>>18094840 (OP)
the apalce of nestor nobles were r1b, this is the funniest thing, even aristoracts

>>18099324
italians are probably like a quarter to a third italics

imagine if italy was 100% scandinavian nordic?
with their geographical position and climate they could have conquered the world

>>18095447
>Anatolian and Greek are separate concepts
they are

hellenic anatolians are just mutts of greeks and real anatolians

>>18097498
>https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/1ifvx2a/modern_italian_regions_detailed_genetic_admixture/
the reality is the opposite, it's the italian that larps

>>18099363
way way less

>>18099434
i wouldn't go that far, they probably average 30% at least

>>18099363
>>18099442
Northerners are 70% ItaloCeltic, 10% Germanic and 20% Anatolian on average.

Target: Celtic_Cisalpine_(ITA_Verona_LIA)
Distance: 1.0787% / 0.01078729
43.0 Celtic_Gaul_Southeast
34.2 Celtic_Carni
22.8 Etruscan

Target: Italian_Veneto
Distance: 0.9976% / 0.00997596
58.6 Celtic_Cisalpine
24.2 Phrygian*
13.2 Germanic
4.0 Rhaetian

Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto_Adige
Distance: 0.8499% / 0.00849903
60.6 Celtic_Cisalpine
19.2 Phrygian
11.2 Germanic
9.0 Rhaetian

Target: Italian_Emilia_Parma-Piacenza
Distance: 1.2888% / 0.01288750
56.2 Celtic_Cisalpine
34.8 Phrygian
9.0 Germanic

Target: Italian_Lombardy
Distance: 1.3053% / 0.01305272
69.4 Celtic_Cisalpine
27.6 Phrygian
3.0 Germanic

Target: Italian_Lombardy_Val_Seriana
Distance: 1.0880% / 0.01088038
63.0 Celtic_Cisalpine
22.2 Phrygian
12.8 Rhaetian
2.0 Germanic

Target: Italian_Piedmont_Val_Borbera
Distance: 0.9651% / 0.00965054
56.4 Celtic_Cisalpine
33.6 Phrygian
10.0 Germanic

Target: Italian_Piedmont
Distance: 1.3209% / 0.01320901
56.8 Celtic_Cisalpine
27.0 Phrygian
16.2 Germanic

>>18099290
No, Tuscans are on a French/Basque level of Eye pigmentation on the Hirisplex index. Lombards are almost Northern Europeans.

>>18099267
>skin adapting to the sun by evolution
Pokemon is not the real world.

>>18099455
are you retarded?
the jews from that study are still not mena jews but european jews, tuscans being slightly more blue eyed than basques is irrelevant to this
55% derived rs12913832 still doesn't mean 55% blue eyes, tuscans being slightly more blue eyed than basques is irrelevant to this
south italians are still darker than ashkenazi jews, tuscans being slightly more blue eyed than basques is irrelevant to this
tuscans and even more so south italians still have less rs12913832 derived alleles than ashkenazi jews, tuscans being slightly more blue eyed than basques is irrelevant to this
ashkenazi jews are still brown half middle easterners, tuscans being slightly more blue eyed than basques is irrelevant to this
skin color is still polygenic, tuscans being slightly more blue eyed than basques is irrelevant to this

are you able to follow a simple argument? do you understand that you are making another completely different argument that has nothing to do with what i'm saying?

how is everything of what you said even a counter argument?
besides i literally posted a map >>18099157 that has tuscans at 0.42 derived rs12913832 and basques at 0.4 derived rs12913832 so again, like what are you even arguing?
>Lombards are almost Northern Europeans.
no, the hgpt bergamo samples are like 12 samples

>>18099452
>20% Anatolian on average

Too High. It's 10% Greek and 10% Anatolian.

>>18096108

>>18099474
he's a brown dumb crete or south italian, what do you expect? they were never good at thinking

>>18099452
south italians are significantly more mixed, especially calabrians, campanians and east sicilian

southern italy should have remained samnite and, lucanian, proud white r1b italics

>>18099474
I am talking about the Hirisplex system. I don't know why you keep talking about that single allele. Are you fucking stupid?

>>18099507
Calabrians are 40% Italic, 30% Anatolian, 10% Greek and 10% Levantine.

They fucked too many Levantine women back in the day.

>Y-chromosome admixture proportions to the current SSI genetic pool indeed confirm an high paternal contribution from the South-Eastern Mediterranean populations, and particularly from the Balkan Peninsula (∼60%), whereas about 25% of SSI Y-chromosomes can be traced back to North-Western European group. Analogously, although the present-day SSI mtDNA genetic pool is largely shared with the other South-Eastern European populations of the Mediterranean Basin (respectively Balkan and Italian Peninsulas), a remarkable proportion of maternal ancestry (especially if compared with its paternal counterpart) derives from the Levant.

>In fact, whereas the different continental and within continental contributions to the current SSI genetic pool appeared to be more equally distributed on the maternal side (despite a noteworthy contribution of Levantine females), the paternal counterpart appeared to be clearly affected by South-Eastern Mediterranean, mainly Balkan, males.

>>18099529
Most slaves were from the East, especially young female sexual slaves sold around for the price of a donkey (hence the "East Med" shift which left barely any paternal Levantine parternal haplogroup). Pompei slaves were mostly guards left to protect properties hence why many of them overlap French and Iberians.

>A loaf of bread cost roughly half a sestertius, and a sextarius (c. 0.5 L) of wine anywhere from less than half to more than one sestertius. One modius (6.67 kg) of wheat in 79 AD Pompeii cost seven sestertii, of rye three sestertii, a bucket two sestertii, a tunic fifteen sestertii, a donkey five hundred sestertii.[2]

>Female prostitutes were frequently described as characters in Roman literature; however, first-hand accounts of real prostitutes are far more rare.[34] The owner of these prostitutes was called a Leno. The Leno would buy girls (usually from the East) for prices around 600 sesterces to be their slaves.[3] Other prostitutes were forced into work at the brothel as a result of financial crisis and family run institutions. It was quite rare for a prostitute to make enough money to escape working at the brothel.[6]

>>18099518
>I am talking about the Hirisplex system. I don't know why you keep talking about that single allele. Are you fucking stupid?
than why are you talking to me? can't you see that i'm making a completely different argument about completely different subjects? false claims were made and i corrected them, 55% derived rs12913832 doesn't mean 55% blue eyes, south italians are darker than ashkenazi jews, tuscans and even more so south italians have less rs12913832 derived alleles than ashkenazi jews, ashkenazi jews are brown half middle easterners and skin color is still polygenic. i'm not interested in whatever random shit you're talking about, tuscans being possibly very slightly more blue eyed than basques is completely irrelevant to all of this, if you have no counterarguments for any of these claims just shut up and move on, this is what normal people do, they don't start talking about completely different and irrelevant things

>>18099539
>>18099529
holy fuck, southern italy was mutted to hell and back

>>18099539
>>18099529
>Calabrians are 40% Italic, 30% Anatolian, 10% Greek and 10% Levantine.
10% is missing

>In fact, whereas the different continental and within continental contributions to the current SSI genetic pool appeared to be more equally distributed on the maternal side (despite a noteworthy contribution of Levantine females), the paternal counterpart appeared to be clearly affected by South-Eastern Mediterranean, mainly Balkan, males.
balkan males were mediterranean only in geography

>>18099539
Do you even dream about a pure samnite and lucanian southern italy with no foreign ancestry?
imagine the power of the true south italians, imagine the invincible state that could have been born if it wasn't for eastern mass migrants destroying everything in their path

>>18099561
If the leaks are true, and they seem to be true, the samnites were very northern mediterranean, even a little bit more than the latins, they plot with venetians and catalans and are mostly r1b with some balkan j2b2

>>18099566
>If the leaks are true, and they seem to be true, the samnites were very northern mediterranean, even a little bit more than the latins, they plot with venetians and catalans and are mostly r1b with some balkan j2b2
it's over once the samples are released, i think it will be 9/11 for italians

>>18099555
>10% is missing

10% Germanic/North European.

>ignoring the actual south italian samples that came out that confirmed Iran N intromission in the bronze Age
>albanians making up actual fanfictions to make themselves relevant
schizo + mentally ill
Iran N won. Christianity won. Greeks won. "northern" med mudhutters Lost.

>>18099529
>Calabrians are 40% Italic, 30% Anatolian, 10% Greek and 10% Levantine.
They have a little bit of Nafri which is confused for Levantine in tard models. Actual Levantine is single digit.

>>18097153
analyze

>>18099718
In this model, only Sicilians and Calabrians pick up a bit of Natufian, but this is due to Natufian and Taforalt/IBM being interchangeable. The reason why AFRO-Asiatic language family is a thing.

>>18100041
>inb4 Iran_C is mixed with Natufian
It's not.

I'm a mix of multiple things. Analyze my results

>>18100089
Give me coords, but otherwise I'd say Jew at first glance.

>>18100041
My dad gets 9 but I don't know if it's actually IBM or because he had some family that were crypto Jews in Italy

>>18099539
holy sweet cope
More than half of Italy is descended from said slaves. R & I are an absolute minority there.

>>18100126
R1B is the most common Y marker in Italy

>>18100443
Most common in an Italian context means around 20-35%. It is utterly outnumbered by non-Aryan haplogroups.

>>18100480
>non aryan haplogroups

Jesus christ this board is fucked

>>18099570
>>18099566
This board has too much schizo retard larping

>>18100582
ywnbaw

Sage&report these shite threads

>>18098966
More like the power of Italian pussy

>Gérard Lucotte et al. (2012) recovered the DNA of Napoleon Bonaparte from beard hair follicules and compared his Y-DNA to that of one of his present-day descendants, Charles Napoléon. They established that both men belonged to haplogroup E-M34, a subclade which is thought to have reached Mediterranean Europe from the Levant during the Neolithic period. Napoleon I had previously been identified by Lucotte's team as a member of mtDNA haplogroup H.

Swarthy Levantine men raped Italian women producing men like Napoleon and probably millions of other Italians that carry Levantine haplogroups. Unlike Iberians (that carry white European R1b), Italians are the most moorish people in Europe with the most Semitic features apart from actual Arabs.

>>18099165
Iberians are Celto-Vasconic Europeans. Italians are the ones who are Semites.

>>18099529
You guys are only 20% R1b lmfao. Shitalian Calabrians are mostly greasy Semitic J1 J2 E1b1b. If anything Arabs & Phoenicians fucked a lot of Calabrian-Italian women.

>>18100660
The subclades of J1 J2 and E1b are almost entirely Balkan-Anatolian ones, not Arab or North African ones. You're dumb.

>>18100677
This doesn't look Balkan to me
>>18100644

>>18100677
e1b is nigger

>>18100644
>>18100684
That's still Anatolian-mediated even if it may originate from Natufians.
>A study on population genomics of Anatolia, the Caucasus and the Levant found in Arslantepe one individual who lived circa 3369-3110 BC, who belonged to E-M84 (E1b1b1b2a1a1~)

>>18100644
>millions of other Italians that carry Levantine haplogroups

You are an Afro-Arap, Ahmed. Your skin has the same color of poop.

>>18094851
Anatolian DNA is VVHITE

Also
>1/4 Middle Eastern
Literally only in Sicily, also known as the Roman province of Arabia Petraea

>>18100827
Non ANF Anatolian isn't white. Pure Anatolian clusters with West Asians

>>>18100827
How about trusting what professional genetic researches say instead of troll models made by shitskins/nordicists: https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/03/16/new-dna-study-southern-italy/
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.26.482072v1.full
>The affinity between Southern Italians and ancient samples was also investigated by the f-statistics. First, we tested the affinity symmetry of Northern Italians and other Italian groups (OIGs) with respect to Anatolia Neolithic (AN) samples (OIGs). All the f4 (Mbuti, AN, OIG, Lombardy) show a significantly higher affinity between Lombardy and AN, with the only exception of Sardinia (Table 1). This pattern is also evident when Bronze Age Greeks (Table 1) or ancient Steppe groups (Table S3) are used in place of AN. These observations suggest that populations from Central and Southern Italy had a lower contribution from AN than Lombardy, or alternatively, that Central and Southern Italians received contributions from other different groups, possibly associated with present-day Middle Eastern or African regions
>However, when the affinity of Italian groups with African and Middle Eastern populations was tested, Southern Italians resulted not significantly closer to any of the two (Table S4)
>>18100861
Then the ancient Greeks weren't white either, because some samples have just as much CHG/Iran_N/Iran_C as South Italians and modern Greeks.

>>18100876
the cherson samples are thracians, not greeks

Nigger heil hitler

>>18100693
Italians are part nigger? Got it.

>>18094851
these two look nothing alike. You might have autism. Also it's funny that the Arab looks jeet as fuck

>>18094840 (OP)
>>18094851
Italians are mostly Greco-Romans by both autosomal dna and y-dna.
>>18094974
>ANF is proto-indoeuropean
>CHG is non-european
Just lmao.