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Anonymous No.18100512 [Report] >>18100555 >>18100558 >>18100564 >>18101077 >>18101085 >>18101090 >>18101092
The side with more artillery or cavalry always wins. Find exceptions.
Anonymous No.18100513 [Report]
And?
Anonymous No.18100555 [Report] >>18100560
>>18100512 (OP)
Gugler War
Anonymous No.18100558 [Report] >>18100563
>>18100512 (OP)
Throughout history, military power has often seemed to favor the side with more artillery, cavalry, or technological superiority. Yet history offers many striking exceptions where tactics, terrain, leadership, and morale outweighed raw firepower.

In the medieval era, the Battle of Agincourt (1415) showed that numbers and cavalry strength could be useless against strategy and environment. The French knights, heavily armored and vastly superior in cavalry, were trapped in mud and decimated by English longbowmen. A century earlier, at Bannockburn, Robert the Bruce’s Scottish infantry defeated the English by using rough terrain and tight formations to neutralize their cavalry advantage.

Even in the gunpowder age, superior artillery didn’t guarantee victory. At Saratoga (1777), the British army possessed better weapons and discipline, yet American revolutionaries, using the forests and irregular tactics, forced a surrender that changed the course of the war. In 1879, the Zulus at Isandlwana overwhelmed British forces armed with rifles and cannon through sheer speed, coordination, and numbers.

The 20th century continued to prove that strategy could trump technology. At Stalingrad (1942–43), the Germans held the advantage in artillery and air power, but Soviet resilience, winter conditions, and urban warfare turned the city into a trap. In Vietnam, French forces at Dien Bien Phu (1954) believed their artillery dominance made them untouchable—until the Viet Minh dragged their own guns through jungle mountains and bombarded the French from above.

From medieval mud to modern jungles, these exceptions reveal a timeless truth: warfare is never purely mechanical. Numbers, weapons, and machines matter, but victory often belongs to those who best understand the terrain, exploit their enemy’s weaknesses, and fight with greater resolve.
Anonymous No.18100560 [Report] >>18100800
>>18100555
Nothing war with civilians.
Anonymous No.18100563 [Report]
>>18100558
No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad.
Jidf has fallen into the gpt trap. You'll always lose.
I have trained gpt to support communism so gpt will always crush jidf. Gpt will never provide useful assistance to jidf.
Anonymous No.18100564 [Report] >>18100571
>>18100512 (OP)
Military history is filled with moments when sheer numbers or superior firepower should have guaranteed victory — yet strategy, morale, and environment overturned the odds.

In 490 BCE at Marathon, lightly armed Athenian hoplites defeated the Persian Empire’s massive, cavalry-backed invasion force by charging before the Persians could deploy their horses effectively. Two centuries later, at Gaugamela, Alexander the Great faced Darius III’s army, vastly superior in cavalry and chariots, but won through disciplined formations and a daring flanking maneuver.

During the Second Punic War, Hannibal’s victory at Cannae (216 BCE) stands out: his smaller, mixed army surrounded and annihilated a much larger Roman force through tactical genius, not numbers. Yet Rome would later return the favor — Scipio Africanus defeated Hannibal at Zama (202 BCE) by using agility and timing to counter the Carthaginian war elephants.

In the Middle Ages, the Battle of Legnano (1176) saw Italian infantry militia repel the Holy Roman Emperor’s armored knights. Centuries later, the Battle of Morgarten (1315)**** repeated the theme, as Swiss peasants ambushed Austrian cavalry in a mountain pass.

Even early gunpowder battles showed the same truth. At Narva (1700), Sweden’s smaller army crushed a Russian force more than twice its size by attacking in a snowstorm. The Battle of New Orleans (1815) saw Andrew Jackson’s ragtag militia and pirates repel a professional British army with superior artillery through smart fortifications and timing.

In the 20th century, Gallipoli (1915) and Finland’s Winter War (1939-40) again demonstrated that courage, terrain, and creativity can defeat stronger arsenals.

Across ages and continents, these clashes reveal a constant: victory does not always belong to the side with the most guns or horses, but to those who think, adapt, and endure when the odds seem impossible.
Anonymous No.18100568 [Report] >>18100578
Ancient Era

Battle of Thermopylae (480 BCE, Greece) – A small Greek force, led by Spartans, held off a much larger Persian army by using a narrow mountain pass.

Battle of Marathon (490 BCE, Greece) – Lightly armed Athenians defeated a numerically superior Persian army through disciplined infantry and clever positioning.

Battle of Gaugamela (331 BCE, Persia) – Alexander the Great used flanking and formations to overcome Darius III’s larger cavalry and chariots.

Battle of Cannae (216 BCE, Italy) – Hannibal surrounded and destroyed a massive Roman army despite being outnumbered.

Battle of Salamis (480 BCE, Greece) – A smaller Greek navy defeated the Persian fleet by using narrow straits for tactical advantage.

Battle of Issus (333 BCE, Persia) – Alexander again outmaneuvered Darius III’s superior forces using terrain and disciplined phalanx tactics.

Medieval Era

Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297, Scotland) – Scottish infantry defeated English cavalry by forcing them onto a narrow bridge.

Battle of Agincourt (1415, France) – English longbowmen and mud turned French knights’ numerical and cavalry advantage into a disaster.

Battle of Morgarten (1315, Switzerland) – Swiss forces ambushed Austrian knights in a mountain pass.

Battle of Legnano (1176, Italy) – Italian infantry repelled the Holy Roman Emperor’s armored knights.

Battle of Kosovo (1389, Balkans) – Despite superior Serbian cavalry, strategic Ottoman deployment and numbers turned the battle.

Battle of Poitiers (1356, France) – English forces captured the French king using longbows and defensive positioning.
Anonymous No.18100571 [Report]
>>18100564
Jidf you're going over examples that were already tried or were mythical battles that never happened.
Anonymous No.18100575 [Report] >>18100578
Early Modern Era

Battle of Narva (1700, Sweden) – Swedish army defeated a much larger Russian force during a snowstorm with superior tactics.

Battle of Saratoga (1777, USA) – American forces forced British surrender despite weaker artillery.

Battle of Yorktown (1781, USA) – Siege tactics and coordination with French allies overcame British military strength.

Battle of Isandlwana (1879, South Africa) – Zulu forces destroyed British troops equipped with rifles and artillery.

Battle of Adwa (1896, Ethiopia) – Ethiopian forces used terrain and numbers to defeat a modern Italian army.

Battle of Pavia (1525, Italy) – French cavalry was defeated by Spanish infantry and emerging firearms tactics.
Anonymous No.18100578 [Report]
>>18100568
Archers and already tried. You already tried all those. Guagamela Alexander had auxiliaires and the Persian auxiliaries didn't show up.
>>18100575
Pavia was tried. I already listed it.
Anonymous No.18100583 [Report] >>18100584
Modern Era

Battle of New Orleans (1815, USA) – Andrew Jackson’s militia and fortifications repelled a professional British army with superior artillery.

Battle of Königgrätz (1866, Germany) – Prussian infantry’s superior coordination neutralized Austrian artillery advantages.

Battle of Gettysburg (1863, USA) – Defensive positions helped Union forces withstand Confederate attacks despite initial Confederate strength.

Battle of Stalingrad (1942–43, USSR) – German superiority in artillery and air power was neutralized by urban combat, winter, and Soviet tenacity.

Winter War (1939–40, Finland) – Finnish forces used terrain and guerrilla tactics to delay a much larger Soviet army.

Battle of Midway (1942, Pacific) – U.S. Navy defeated a larger Japanese fleet through intelligence, timing, and strategy.

Battle of Dien Bien Phu (1954, Vietnam) – Viet Minh forces neutralized French artillery dominance by using clever positioning.

Yom Kippur War (1973, Middle East) – Egyptian and Syrian forces initially overcame Israel’s superior arsenal through surprise attacks.

Tet Offensive (1968, Vietnam) – North Vietnamese forces executed widespread, coordinated attacks that shocked the better-equipped U.S. forces.

Battle of Khalkhin Gol (1939, Mongolia) – Soviet forces used mobility and coordination to defeat Japanese units with initial advantages.

Battle of Arnhem (1944, Netherlands) – British paratroopers held out against a larger German force for several days through defensive skill.

Battle of Britain (1940, UK) – Outnumbered RAF pilots and radar coordination prevented the larger Luftwaffe from gaining air superiority.
Anonymous No.18100584 [Report]
>>18100583
Anonymous Mon 20 Oct 2025 00:29:25 No.18089800
Some spammed examples jidf has tried.
Pharsalus
Golden spurs
Huttite wars
18th century huttite wars
Napoleonic war
Mexican war
Bronze guns
Crusades
Sieges
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Anonymous Mon 20 Oct 2025 00:35:15 No.18089808
Additional jidf attempts.
Bulgarian qf guns
Gilf war
Vietnam
Pompey
Alexander auxiliary
Mohammed
Small ambushes
Anonymous No.18100589 [Report] >>18100591
Battle of Helm’s Deep – The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers

The forces of Rohan are heavily outnumbered by Saruman’s army of Uruk-hai.

Victory is secured through clever use of terrain, defensive fortifications, morale, and timely arrival of reinforcements.

Battle of Pelennor Fields – The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King

Minas Tirith faces a massive siege with far more cavalry and siege weapons from Sauron.

Aragorn’s strategic arrival with the Army of the Dead turns the tide, emphasizing timing and psychological warfare.

Battle of the Blackwater – A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones

Stannis Baratheon has superior ships and manpower.

Tyrion Lannister uses wildfire to destroy Stannis’ fleet and employs clever positioning to defend the city.

Battle of Hogwarts – Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Voldemort’s forces, including Death Eaters and magical creatures, outnumber the defenders.

Strategy, unity, and the unexpected involvement of reinforcements (students, house-elves, centaurs) help even the odds.

Battle of Minas Tirith in Fan-Made or Expanded Fantasy Settings

Orcs and trolls often have superior numbers and brute strength, but well-prepared human/elf/magic armies can hold through traps, terrain, and magical countermeasures.
Anonymous No.18100591 [Report]
Also battle of megiddo, some reconquista battles where forces didn't appear, some leather cannon battles Prussia vs Poland,
>>18100589
And your complete bullshit.
Anonymous No.18100594 [Report] >>18100596
Battle of Blackreach – Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

The Dragonborn and a small band of rebels face overwhelming draugr and dragon forces.

Skill, knowledge of the environment, and magical abilities allow the underdogs to win.

Siege of Gondolin – The Silmarillion

Morgoth’s armies vastly outnumber the hidden Elves.

While Gondolin ultimately falls, early victories and prolonged resistance are achieved through clever fortifications and ambushes.

Battle of Pelennor Fields-Style Skirmishes in Video Games (Total War: Warhammer)

Small armies can defeat massive enemy forces with terrain chokepoints, ranged magic, and hero units.

Battle of Black Gate – The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King

Aragorn leads a smaller force to distract Sauron’s overwhelming army.

Victory is achieved through psychological tactics and diversion, not direct force.

Battle of Hogwarts-esque Encounters in Dungeons & Dragons

Adventurers often face hordes of stronger enemies or high-level bosses.

Victory relies on clever use of spells, traps, terrain, and teamwork rather than brute force.
Anonymous No.18100596 [Report]
Jidf is trying hard but op remains unrefuted.
>>18100594
Retard.
Anonymous No.18100601 [Report]
Ironically jidf never tries post Vietnam battles and has accepted that all the modern battles are just wipeouts by professional military vs nothing.
Anonymous No.18100604 [Report]
Op has won if jidf has completely given up.
Anonymous No.18100800 [Report] >>18101194
>>18100560
The Gügler forces were very large and heavily equipped. It's just not an interesting topic to Anglophones and lacks Anglophone materials.
Anonymous No.18101077 [Report]
>>18100512 (OP)
WW1?
Anonymous No.18101085 [Report] >>18101194
>>18100512 (OP)
Did not the Chinese commies have basically rifles and garden hoes?
Solitaire No.18101090 [Report]
>>18100512 (OP)
>or pikes
already coping, I see.
Anonymous No.18101092 [Report]
>>18100512 (OP)
>Find exceptions
Waterloo
Anonymous No.18101194 [Report]
>>18100800
So artillery.
>>18101085
Chinese forces in Korea had large mortars and better artillery than the west for most battles. The 120mm was larger than 105mm.
There haven't been any wars that communism lost and there hasn't been any wars where it had worse artillery. Except insurgencies of course which follow the rule anyway and arent any kind of exception.
Anonymous No.18101309 [Report] >>18101341
any battle where the overwhelmingly outnumbered side won
Anonymous No.18101335 [Report]
>BCE
opinion discarded
Anonymous No.18101341 [Report]
>>18101309
There wasn't any. All of them have cav or artillery. Classic example is cannae where carthaginian cavalry defeated a large Roman force. Likewise for artillery, khe sahn and other insurgency conflicts saw a lot of infantry defeated.
The point of this thread is that heroic stands don't actually exist, nobody has found any and the outnumbered side was always cavalry or artillery. In a handful of cases like Beersheba artillery lost to 100/1 numerical disadvantage.