Thread 18101898

In the 1980s Iran was facing a crisis due to the ever increasing population their solution? Contraceptives like birth control and condoms, the result? Iran's fertility rate went from 7.0 in 1985 to 1.7 in 2023 keep in mind Iran in a conservative Muslim nation this is considered the greatest example of population control in history and it led to women in Iran having higher rates of education and workforce participation that is equal to that of any Western nation

How did Iran manage this as an Islamic religious fundamentalist culture and national

>>18101898 (OP)
Allowing women to get an education and join the workforce. They should have followed the talichad model.

>>18101920
Be an even poorer shithole?

Doing whatever the goverment wants of you is peak divine cuckholdry.
Youre basically being farmed and raised like animals to enrich the elites who hide their interests behind the idea of "nation".
It should be up to you to have ultimate freedom to decide your own life.
You want to take drugs? Take them until you kill yourself.
You want to kill your children? Then fucking kill them.
Who the fuck cares? I know Im not.

>>18101988
True wealth isn’t counted in shekels, golem.

Fertility rates are tanking in wealthy gulf Arab countries too. Only ultra poor Muslims and Africans have a lot of children these days.

>>18101898 (OP)
Actually, Iran has already fallen to around 1.5 in TFR this year. The natural increase in population fell from 800k in 2019 to 520k last year. Some Iranian provinces are already suffering from negative population growth. The country will probably start losing population sometime in the next decade.

>>18101898 (OP)
Based

>>18102006
Even Egypt is on track to fall below 2.1 in TFR by next year or 2027. Syria, Jordan and Libya are also really close to falling below replacement level. Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkey and Tunisia have European-level TFRs. Even Morocco and Lebanon are already slightly below replacement level. It seems that the majority of muslims by the end of the century will be niggers as well.

>>18101898 (OP)
The Iranian regime is a weird mixture of Islamism, ayatollah worship and leftism.

>>18102063
Africa is falling off too, not as fast as other continents but still a lot, only the most underdeveloped countries like Niger still have the typical 6-8 kids per woman that was common decades ago

>>18102063
Okay what’s going on? Is something actually in the water causing infertility? Egypt is not rich enough for improvements in living standards to be causing a TFR decline

>>18102192
It's smartphones. Even people in shithole countries have them now.

>>18102192
It's crapitalism causing conditions of extreme scarcity except for the very poorest who are subsidized by the welfare stat. That's why only the lumpenproletariat are breeding.

>>18102273
>Its capitalism’s fault
Vietnam, China and Cuba aren’t do so well in the birthrate department either. It goes deeper than economics

>>18102192
Haiti, motherfucking 99% black, insanely poor, with the worst standard of living anywhere of outside of subsaharan Africa Haiti… has a TFR of 2.41. Barely above replacement level by their own standards, considering the rampant child mortality, violence and disease. If you’re sufficiently urbanized and your women are in the workforce, your fertility is going to decline. It doesn’t matter how poor or rich your country is, what religion (or lack thereof) is predominant, or attitudes towards sex and sexuality.

>>18102187
We don’t have reliable data for any sub-saharan country except for South Africa (and they are on the verge of falling below replacement level). Hell, we don’t even know how many people actually live in most of these places, for all we know Nigeria or the DRC could be overstating their populations by a factor of 20% to 50%, so trying to guess their TFRs based on these garbage UN estimates is a fool's errand. We'll only know for sure by the end of the century, and see how truly full (or empty) these countries will be.

>>18101898 (OP)
billions must die

>population line must go up
Why are you people like this?

>>18103278
Because the entire economic model of the world is centered around an ever increasing supply of more people so they be be more workers, more taxpayers and more consumers to prop up everything from stocks to pensions

>>18103278
It's not about population numbers, it's about age profile.

A growing population is a young population. A declining population is an old population. This is simply a mathematical fact.

The elderly consume the vast majority of healthcare resources. The ratio between working people and elderly can swing wildly and cause a huge burden on the working.

The worst part is, the more elderly dependents each working person has to support, the less surplus resources those working people have available to put towards children (who are of course also a healthcare-draining dependent class). So the problem compounds on itself.

People imagine that technology is going to magically fix these problems, but what technology is going to replace elder nursing? And insofar as medical technology gets better, that just increases the problem as the elderly live longer.

Besides, as the population gets older, you probably also lose some of the drive, risk-taking, and inspiration that leads to technological development in the first place.

Most of these issues could be solved if we just killed the elderly. But Im not sure that's possible. I have half a mind to think that the coof was exactly that, a chinese project to kill off some of their elderly.

The other issue is that this low birth rate trend seems to be hitting every country in pretty close correlation to how highly developed they are. So in the long term we have an idiocracy situation where the future is increasingly filled with retarded niggers instead of intelligent whites and chinks. And even if some of the niggers somehow become developed and intelligent, those are precisely the niggers that will have low birth rates while the most retarded ones get more and more prominent. Seems a fucking horrible omen for the long term future of humanity. Honestly this last bit is such a serious problem, I wonder if it's one of the Great Filters.

>>18103304
This issue is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

They introduced birth control to reduce the explosion of births in the 80s, and no amount of Shia theology blasting in the airways will prevent the birth rate to decline. Bad/good economy, urbanized women who work, modern technology all lead to a collapse in birthrates.

>>18101898 (OP)
>Iran in a conservative Muslim nation
Yeah, but they're an outlier. You know why. Iran isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, they're more comparable to Turkey. And most importantly, they're Shia.