Thread 18128130

It's clear that most people can't bear with the suffering they were given so why would God do that? It makes zero sense, it's a very basic argument yet nobody has been able to disprove it.

If you mean Yahweh, he is blatantly evil.
"Oh, hi, can you kill your son? Ha-ha, just kidding."
If you mean God as a concept, no reason to assume it is good or even cares about humans.

>>18128177
>no reason to assume
Yes there is, why would He create them otherwise. Nothing exists without purpose.

>>18128195
>Nothing exists without purpose.
You are overthinking this subject.

>>18128197
That makes no sense at all.

>>18128195
It didn't create humans, it initiated the Big Bang and humans appeared later by natural means.

>>18128211
How do you know that? If He could do that then why can't He do everything else? Very flawed thinking.

>>18128220
If something contradicts evidence, 'tisn't true. Simple as that.

>>18128230
Another intelligible post.

>>18128130 (OP)
>it's a very basic argument yet nobody has been able to disprove it.
It's not an argument. It's a question. There is nothing to disprove.
>why would He allow so much suffering?
God can allow it and then turn it into good ad hoc. Preventing evil is a human approach.

>>18128235
>It's not an argument
Yes it is and it shows how flawed the premise of your belief.
>and then turn it into good ad hoc.
Now this is not an argument, you don't provide an example or explain why that would be true. But I guess this is the only way you can cope.

>>18128198
Take foreskin for example. What's the purpose of its existence?

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1760925463070923.webm

>>18128252
It has very clear biological functions.

>>18128248
>Now this is not an argument, you don't provide an example or explain why that would be true.
By this logic OP isn't an argument either, just like I said lmao.

If you have some questions about my answer, you're free to ask politely and I will be happy to respond. This topic has been addressed ad nauseam within pretty much every monotheistic tradition and there is no shortage of material for us to go over.
Until I see any such question, I consider your question (that you just admit isn't an argument) answered.

>>18128257

Not according to jews.

>>18128272
Yes it is:
>Christians claim that God is good and just
>then why bad stuff happens to the point where people can't bear it
It's very simple. But you would rather try to show how stupid I'm than answering the question. Not very virtuous.

>>18128283
So? Are they the ultimate authority?

>>18128284
Yes, it is a very simple question. And it was answered. >>18128235

It's like saying "The Sun is supposed to provide light but it's dark outside....?" Yeah lol it is. And it's a valid question. Nowhere close to an argument or an exposition though.

>>18128294
>The Sun is supposed to provide light
That's a bad faith argument, people know why it's dark outside and don't think the sun is supposed to be present at all times because they understand how it works. Can't say the same about your belief.

>>18128303
Wait, you're saying people don't experience every attribute of an item at every time despite it being there? Woah. Almost like my argument tracks exactly and you just confirmed it's a valid answer.

>>18128307
>Psalm 145:9
>The Lord is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

>>18128314
>The sun shines on all: its tender rays reach all over its planets.
B-but ... I don't experience it at every moment? And this question is somehow an argument?

>>18128130 (OP)
The real answer is that christianity holds humans to be evil and worthy of punishment.

>>18128318
So you're trying to say that He's not here because He's busy helping other planets? The all mighty? That's very blasphemous.

>>18128326
Clearly doesn't otherwise we wouldn't live in such a world.

>>18128328
I wasn't addressing God's location at all. I was addressing your experience of attributes and your misunderstanding of what the term "argument" means.

>>18128332
Christianity doesn't hold humans to be evil? Then why does Jesus say most people are sent to hell?

>>18128333
>at all
Then why did you write that, obviously you did. It's hilarious.
>and your misunderstanding
So once again, is He taking a break or something? I can't believe you can unironically utter something like that.

>>18128337
>Then why did you write that
I just said why.
>>and your misunderstanding
>So once again, is He taking a break or something?
That doesn't relate to the greentext at all. See >>18128333

Your questions were already answered. If you're confused about any one of them, ask away but... read the answers lmao

>>18128336
But why were they created to be such, they can't be evil by themselves.

>>18128344
You didn't answer anything at all otherwise I wouldn't be showing how flawed your thinking is.

>>18128352
That doesn't follow either. But at least you understood the general form of an argument, from premises to conclusions.
>>>If you have some questions about my answer, you're free to ask politely and I will be happy to respond.

>>18128359
>That doesn't follow either.
Because you feel like it? I explain in every reply why I disagree with you. Meanwhile this is what I get as a reply...

>>18128362
>Because you feel like it?
No.
>I explain in every reply why I disagree with you.
And I often point out why your explanations are fallacious. I.e. not knowing what an argument is.

Any other questions?

>>18128376
>explanations are fallacious
By showing that someone who's supposed to be Almighty for some reason can't be here?

Why are atheists so low IQ?

>>18128383
I'm not an atheist.

>>18128381
No such thing was done in this thread.

Man you blew it with arguments, but you're on a roll with random questions. Keep going, this is your niche.

>>18128130 (OP)
"good" and "suffering" are human concepts and do not apply to god

>>18128392
>>18128294
Why are you lying? Why can't you just address the question and be done with it?

>>18128399
>Psalm 100:5
>For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

>>18128403
I did. See >>18128235

>>18128418
You didn't explain anything about that, see the post yourself.

>>18128421
I answered everything I was asked.
It's not my duty to anticipate your mental challenges. It's your duty to get help if you're struggling with a couple simple sentences.

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

>>18128424
No you clearly didn't otherwise there would be some kind of a consensus. I don't know about mental challenges you're talking about when you yourself can't answer a basic question. Notice how I always reply in good faith and explain my point why you're just attacking me and being vague. I don't think that's how Christians are supposed to act.

>>18128430
>I make peace, and create evil:
Isaiah uses these terms to mean catastrophy, not ethical/ontological evil. As the newer translations often reflect.

>>18128430
So how is that any different than just assigning these things to nature?

>>18128432
Notice how you didn't ask shit and just complained.

>>18128439
Yes, and bad things can actually be good because you feel like it, no need to elaborate!

>>18128448
I didn't invoke my feelings. See >>18128235
If you're taking 20 posts trying to ask "how come the all-powerful God has the power to turn bad into good" then I'm not sure this thread has any future at all.

>>18128452
>and then turn it into good ad hoc
>how? I just feel like it no need to elaborate!
>Preventing evil is a human approach.
>...

>>18128457
>greentext seizure, not a single question asked
Will that be all?

>>18128464
>ask him how he reached these conclusions
>no question asked
Obviously you simply can't do more.

>>18128467
Anon, don't take this personally, but I've never seen anyone struggle this hard with my answer, to the point of not even being able to ask a straight question about whatever it is that confused them. If your social skills are this atrophied, this is a good opportunity for practice because this engagement is sub-par even for 4chan standards.

So please, do your best to really focus on what prevents you from understanding the answer, articulate a question that would resolve this misunderstanding and then ask it.

>>18128408
again humans seeing what they want in "god"

>>18128479
So you admit that you're literally mentally insane and illiterate, interesting!

>>18128491
Give it one more try. Really visualize asking a question, receiving an answer and understanding more afterwards. It will happen.

>>18128482
So what do good and mercy mean then and how are the humans supposed to understand them? Is the Bible written for humans or?

>>18128500
My questions are clear, you're just a dishonest person.

>>18128510
All questions were answered and all gash-gallop greentext strategies were called out. If this will be all, you receive a medal for the lowest quality poster I've seen today, please consider talking to human beings irl.

>>18128514
Nope, that didn't happen at all. The second I exposed how flawed your example with the sun is you went completely insane.

>>18128523
I poined out God's location wasn't being analogized. You just repeated your question as though it was. Sorry, Anon.

>>18128529
Then why did you said it in the first place and if so, what's stopping Him from being all present?

>>18128536
>why did you said it in the first place
Answered in >>18128333
>>18128536
>what's stopping Him from being all present
I never addressed his location and presence. I just told you this.

>>18128543
>Answered in
No, you didn't. He's an Almighty, look up what that means.
>(of God) having the power to do everything:
>I just told you this
Which makes no sense...

>>18128546
>>Answered in [post]
>No, you didn't
Could you tell me what you think the second sentence in
>>18128333 means? I am genuinely curious. Just lay it on me, in your own words, what does it mean "I was addressing your experience of attributes"

>>18128550
So you're trying to say that the Almighty isn't actually such?

>>18128557
Woah so you think "I was addressing your experience" roughly translates to "God is not Almighty"? That can't be real....

>>18128563
So He's Almighty but somehow I misunderstand His attributes? Totally not a mental case.

>>18128570
You think someone being almighty somehow implies everyone will automatically share complete and unerring ideas about them? Lmao is that what you think Christians or Jews proposed even a single time ever?

>>18128572
>>18128408

>>18128504
>DEUS VULT